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A new national survey from Public Policy Polling (D) illustrates the profound levels of ignorance that currently interfere with the debate over health care.

One question asked: "Do you think the government should stay out of Medicare?" Keep in mind that this is a logical impossibility, as Medicare is a government program, which was signed into law in 1965 by President Lyndon Johnson, to provide guaranteed health care to the elderly.

As it turns out, 39% of voters think government should stay out of Medicare, compared to 46% who disagree.

Among Republicans, 62% say the government should stay out of Medicare, compared to only 24% of Democrats and 31% of independents who agree.

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August 19, 2009 12:59 PM   

Ho-ly shit.

LOLz!

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August 19, 2009 1:02 PM   

Gimme a break. Seriously.

Epidemic of stupid going around.

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August 19, 2009 1:09 PM   

Yup.

Too stupid collectively to be trusted with anything sharper than a sponge.

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August 19, 2009 4:01 PM    in reply to Indie Tarheel

Not if the sponge has corners ...

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August 19, 2009 1:09 PM   

That's right! The government should stay out of Medicare. And they should stay out of Social Security and law enforcement and the military and health inspections and banking regulations and...and...Congress. The government should stay out of Congress and the White House and the Supreme Court and...

Government should just keep its hands off of government! It has no business being there!!!

Ooh, look at the time. Gotta go buy some more guns.

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August 19, 2009 1:14 PM   

No it is not a logical impossibility. Keeping new political initiatives from changing Medicare is a perfectly sensible view.
Perhaps you folks pretending to be smart should try some understanding. But no, and that is why you are losing the battle. But hey, keep up the good work.

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August 19, 2009 1:20 PM    in reply to shooter242

Once again, shooter242 fails to actually read what he's responding to. The poll didn't ask "Should government stop interfering with Medicare?" or "Do you think government should change Medicare?" The question was literally, "Do you think government should stay out of Medicare? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If you're not sure, press 3."

The government cannot "stay" out of Medicare to begin with any more than I can stay out of my own skin.

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August 19, 2009 1:25 PM    in reply to Xantar

Bingo.

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August 19, 2009 1:31 PM    in reply to Xantar

I thought you guys were smart enough to understand "nuance". Obviously not.
Or, perhaps, you folks just can't resist the temptation to make yourselves feel better by denigrating others.

I suspect it's both, which would make you stupid AND mean. It's a combination guaranteed to inspire distrust, and resistance to your ideas.
But hey, keep up the good work.

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August 19, 2009 1:41 PM    in reply to shooter242

We're stupid and mean, too? Would that be by comparison to the town hall thugs who spout just any old lie they hear on Fox News and who put up all those nifty posters of Obama and Pelosi as Nazis and hang effigies of Democratic Congressmen? Are we as stupid and mean as them?

Your powers of perception underwhelm me.

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August 19, 2009 1:49 PM    in reply to shooter242

That's right. When you have no actual response, just insult the other guy. Kind of like the Teabaggers, come to think of it!

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August 30, 2009 8:51 PM    in reply to Xantar

Thank you for proving your point by acting on it.

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August 19, 2009 4:07 PM    in reply to Xantar

The government cannot "stay" out of Medicare to begin with any more than I can stay out of my own skin.

Beautifully put.

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August 19, 2009 1:36 PM    in reply to shooter242

Oh no, we're losing the battle? And, the evidence for that, naturally, would be you saying so.

Well, just keep chanting that to yourself and don't let any doubts creep in. It'll make it so much more convincing if you can get yourself to believe it.

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August 23, 2009 9:52 AM    in reply to shooter242

Does teh stooopid burn?

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August 19, 2009 1:41 PM   

Go down to the cross tabs and look at Conservative/Moderate/Liberal. While the Conservative number (59%) is jokeworthy, the numbers for Moderates and Liberals isn't encouraging and means that the joke is on the country in general rather than just conservatives. I'd be far more comfortable if those numbers was 5% for Liberals and 15% for Moderates.

John

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August 19, 2009 3:55 PM    in reply to tosh

I hate to agree with the idiot, but it is a crappy, ambiguious question that seemed calculated to generate headlines which, in turn, would garner publicity for the pollster. A lot of people who know Medicare is a government program could have been punching "Yes" because think it was asking whether the government should change it.

"How about "Is Medicare a government program?" One for Yes, Two for No.

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August 19, 2009 2:08 PM   

30 years of Republican, conservative rule shorting schools, letting Texas religious wackos choose the country's textbooks, keeping government and civics classes at a level of 'America is always right' and forcing schools to teach to standardized tests instead of encouraging critical thinking has given us the United States of Dumb as a Bag of Hammers.

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August 19, 2009 2:10 PM   

Stoopid is as stoopid does. What happened to the message machine of Obama? Unbelievable. Keep the government out of medicare? The government is already running healthcare for the most needy of healthcare. The elderly. WTF.

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August 19, 2009 2:12 PM   

It's not really a fair question since the right answer "medicare is already a government program" isn't an option. Lots of people who think Medicare should be maintained as-is will answer "yes" because they give the questioner the benefit of the doubt.

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August 19, 2009 2:42 PM   

Wickning begins the right kind of analysis for serious understanding of this. The point is that people don't necessarily listen closely or answer precisely the question that is given.

It is natural that people are going to probably interpret a question as making sense, which obviously this one (being a trick question) doesn't

The point is that many, perhaps most, people didn't recognize off the bat that they were being asked a trick question

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August 19, 2009 4:05 PM    in reply to cloudy

The point is that many, perhaps most, people didn't recognize off the bat that they were being asked a trick question
That's a bug, not a feature.
Well, not from where I'm standing, anyway.

It frightens me sometimes to think that there are people as far below average intelligence as I am above it.

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August 19, 2009 5:45 PM   

Can't "the profound levels of ignorance" relative to the prevailing health insurance reform proposal be attributable to the fact that the media, both "new" and traditional, have, except very rarely, reported the content of the proposed legislation?

How much has been published here at TPM relative to the content of the legislation? None that I recall. Likewise with almost all other outlets.

If one wishes to make money in a "news" deliver business one must ultimately descend to appealing to the lowest common denominator to maximize its reader or viewership.

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August 19, 2009 5:48 PM   

The point is that many, perhaps most, people didn't recognize off the bat that they were being asked a trick question

After further consideration, I have to admit that you're probably right, people don't usually expect a trick question like that.

Those numbers are just too large for me to swallow anyway; C'mon, we've been yelling about this one topic for a few months now, so I have a hard time believing that almost a third of ind. are also in 'tard mode.

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August 22, 2009 9:43 AM   

"Stupid is a pre-existing condition" -Bill Maher on last night's Real Time...thinking he may be on to something.

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August 24, 2009 1:31 PM   

The Republicans are so far out of the loop and their rear ends bought and paid for long ago by corporations that they cannot be trusted to work for anybody except their cronies and sponsors. They might as well be like the Indycar drivers: walk around in one piece sansabelts with all the corporate sponsor logos sewn on. That way we would all know who owns their teabagging brains.

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August 30, 2009 4:51 PM   

This stunning level of ignorance is a crushing indictment of our educational system and our media, which are charged with the responsibility of producing an informed citizenry. Without properly informed citizens, true democracy is not possible.

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August 30, 2009 5:05 PM   

Trick question, my ass! 62% of Republicans got it wrong vs 24% of Democrats (not a good sign in itself). These people have been programmed to accept nonsense as fact and to mistrust the government on virtually all matters, except, or course when it comes to imposing their own worldview upon others.

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