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Harry Reid spokesman Jim Manley tells CNN that Democrats are determined to pass a bill, even if it means circumventing the filibuster and ramming as much of the package as possible through the filibuster-proof reconciliation process.

The White House still prefers a bipartisan bill, and neither the White House nor the Democratic leadership has made a decision to pursue reconciliation...We will not make a decision to pursue reconciliation until we have exhausted efforts to produce a bipartisan bill. However, patience is not unlimited and we are determined to get something done this year by any legislative means necessary

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August 19, 2009 6:42 PM   

Harry! I love ya, dude! Did you just grow a pair?

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August 19, 2009 7:43 PM    in reply to Minne sconsin

I expect not.

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August 19, 2009 6:50 PM   

I listen to flatulence with more rapt attention than anything Reid has to say.

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August 19, 2009 8:37 PM   

Maybe I'm just overly cynical, but when Harry Reid says "By any means necessary", I assume he means "I will water this bill down and bend over backwards to accommodate my Senate Republican colleagues who are just going to vote against it anyway."

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August 19, 2009 9:04 PM    in reply to psyclone

well we will find out in about a month it seems.

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August 19, 2009 9:18 PM   

Say it with me, once again-

You can bypass the filibuster with just Democrats. Bipartisanship is not necessary to pass a good bill.

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August 19, 2009 9:30 PM    in reply to PorkBelly

You were aware that those "Democrats" you're counting on include Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman, and Kent Conrad, weren't you?

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August 19, 2009 9:45 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

I haven't seen any of them say they would support a filibuster.

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August 19, 2009 9:37 PM    in reply to PorkBelly

Do we even have 50 with a good bill? And can we get the others to vote for cloture?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/observer2/2009/08/how-to-get-50-votes-in-senate.php

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August 19, 2009 9:46 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

Well, the above link stated 44 "yes" votes and 16 "don't know".

I like those numbers for getting to 50.

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August 19, 2009 9:54 PM   

Maybe some of the lefties will stop wetting their pants now.

Maybe not.

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August 19, 2009 11:24 PM   

Is there any value at all to having the filibuster? So far I have seen it prevent civil rights legislation and prevent the passage of desperately needed health care reform.

I have seen no occasion when it did anything FOR America. It just protects the wealthy oligarchs.

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August 20, 2009 1:14 AM    in reply to Richardxx

That would depend on one's view of what is "FOR America", no? Based on your comment about the procedure being employed only for the "wealthy oligarchs", I suspect that the use of the filibuster to stop drilling in Alaska (specifically, ANWR) would be an example of what you are looking for. This occurred several times from 2002 - 2007.

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August 20, 2009 11:25 AM    in reply to odatruft

There are also a number of truly crazy right wing extremists who are not federal appellate or district court judges for the rest of their life because the hated Harry and his 41 member minority used the filibuster to stop them.

And yeah, crazy. People who made Roberts and Alito look like mainstream moderates.

Oh, and then there's the fact that John Bolton only embarassed us as U.N. ambasador for two years.

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August 19, 2009 11:42 PM   

Reid makes Daschle, one of the least effective majority leaders ever, look like a strategic genius. He's full of double-speak, and I don't trust a thing he says. In fact, I believe the opposite, so when he says "We'll Get A Health Care Bill By Any Means", I fully expect that "by any means" he means "I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing and I can't promise jack-sh*t without gutting reform. He's a disaster, and I'm wildly disappointed at the O adminstration's inability to not lead their party under the most favorable conditions they'll ever see...

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August 20, 2009 8:29 AM   

Harry "Malcolm X" Reid. It's kind of funny to think about, really.

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August 20, 2009 10:55 AM   

Perhaps the sickness of right-wing conservative/Republican culture has finally expressed itself to the point that Democrats understand no bipartisanship will be possible. Watching these right-wing town-hall protesters is frightening. The unconscious Nihilism -- the deeply tragic view that all is ultimately futile for terrible, rotten human beings, who can't really deserve any conceivable good -- long-concealed within traditional Republican and conservative rhetoric about their so-called 'values', is noticeably coming to the surface, unveiling its brute ugliness, in a striking way due to this particular debate.

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August 20, 2009 12:30 PM   

"By any means necessary" -- i.e., even if it means gutting the bill until it no longer contains a single useful provision.

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