I just spoke with Florida Republican Party press secretary Katie Gordon, regarding state party chairman Jim Greer's denunciation of President Obama's upcoming national address to schoolchildren on Tuesday. Gordon stood by the party's press release -- and said that children should not be subjected to what she said is a clear attempt at political indoctrination by the Obama administration. Indeed, she said parents should be able to opt-out their kids from the speech.
The Department of Education's press release says about the address: "The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."
But Gordon says there's a lot to be worried about. "I think that's certainly the concern, is that we don't know what this speech is about," said Gordon. "There's no advanced copy being given to parents, teachers or principals. I think that's certainly our concern, because if you look at the teaching tools that are being provided, it's certainly extremely biased."
Gordon directed me to the official teaching materials that the Department of Education has posted. Gordon especially took exception to this part of the materials: "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." I pointed out that this item came from a list of bullet points headed "Extension of the Speech," which clearly means it's in the context of the speech on personal responsibility and academic goals.
But Gordon begged to differ. "Why are you willing to accept that in good faith, the Obama administration is asking them to write a letter in the context of the speech," said Gordon, "but you're not willing to accept in our release, where we're saying there's no guidelines that it has to be in the context of the speech?"
"We would certainly support teaching our children to respect the President of the United States in his capacity as the leader of the country," Gordon added. "That is different from writing letters to themselves about what they can do to help the President, which is one of the many things stated in this teaching guide."
Gordon also pointed to this question from the materials: "What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?" "So clearly, the President is challenging students to be talking bout new ideas," Gordon said. "Well maybe the President's new ideas don't reflect the values that parents will be teaching their children."
"Our point is that there are some questions about this address that need to be answered, and parents need to be given the option to choose whether or not their children who are students are going to be expected to watch this propaganda in a public school," Gordon later explained. "Students can't pray in school, but they can discuss new ideas and actions that the President is challenging them to think about. Well, I know that a lot of the President's ideas don't reflect my values and don't reflect the values that I would be teaching my children. And to be quite honest, there are a lot of the President's ideas that I wouldn't want my children discussing in a public school. It's not appropriate, the place for that is in the home."
I asked Gordon how this is any different from presidents routinely visiting classrooms, or the President's Challenge in gym classes (which I certainly hated, being the non-athletic nerd that I am). "This is different than trying to make sure that you have a good level of physical fitness," she said. "It would be a different if President Obama were going into a particular classroom on the first day of school and encouraging students to work hard and achieve academic goals. It's diff from sending out a blanket set of guidelines for a specific address that is supposed to be shown in every school, talking about how you can help the President advance his new ideas."
In follow-up e-mails, I asked Gordon how she would reply to people who see this as a tin-foil hat, conspiracy theorist sort of thing. "I would ask them what their response would have been if these same materials had come from the Bush Administration," Gordon said. "The people saying this is a scare tactic are the same people who accuse the voters at health care town halls of being rabid right-wing extremists. This is an abuse of power and an attempt by the Obama Administration to indoctrinate young Americans into supporting his socialist agenda. Parents should be extremely concerned."
I also asked Gordon about an Internet campaign that has risen up, encouraging students to skip school on Tuesday. Does she support students skipping school, or walking out of the address or the activities? Gordon replied: "That decision is up to the parents, not the RPOF."

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TBender
September 2, 2009 3:03 PM
Shorter GOP:
If the minorities take to heart the concept of personal responsibility, they might climb the social ladder!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chris
September 2, 2009 5:14 PM in reply to TBender
You know what, tea baggers and other right wing extremists might pull this off. As sad as it is, they just might be able to dictate the national debate in this country.
The actual Republican Party in one of the largest states in the Union is calling the president's address to schools as an attempt to "indoctrinate school children to support his socialist agenda." PATHETIC! These are the same people who gave us 8 years of George Bush. These are the same people who gave us endless war, a culture of corruption, took the largest surplus in history and turned it into the largest deficit in history, these are the very people responsible.
They just might pull this off, and it will be a sad, sad day for America. But it will only be after I tell them to kiss my ass! Let's go make them own it!
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TM
September 2, 2009 6:26 PM in reply to Chris
Of course they can pull it off. There are still plenty of dems acting as if people who don't dedicate time to informing themselves about things will pick up anything but the crazy soundbites that flood the airwaves.
It feels like the losers(Dems) won for once and don't know how to handle it or hold on to it.
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NobleCommentDecider
September 2, 2009 7:06 PM in reply to Chris
OK, its alright with me, a Bush Baser, for Incurious George W Bush to send my kid to get blown up in a needless war, but please don't subject him to a pep talk from the current President!
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davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 8:49 PM in reply to Chris
If there is an opt-out procedure, I haven't seen it, nor have I been properly and individually noticed of Obama's intentions. If I am wrong in this regard, please advise.
ex animo
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:25 AM in reply to davidfarrar
Idjit: the law REQUIRES pupils to attend school. It is ILLEGAL to SKIP school.
There is no "opt out" of education, which is tantamount to "opting out" of responsibility.
You, jackass, are a jackass. And a loon with nothing of value to contribute to anything anywhere.
Learn how to STFU, and then show off that you know how to do that by STFU.
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Kuyleh
September 3, 2009 3:00 AM in reply to davidfarrar
First off, what makes you think you deserve to get a special phone call, just to you, telling you whats going to happen? Second, what makes you think that they'll cater to your definition of "proper"? How about you get your head out of your rear and use that brain a little? I know it will hurt, but you'll be better for it.
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davidfarrar
September 3, 2009 6:09 AM in reply to Kuyleh
Parents should always be informed about what their public schools are teaching their children. It is the parents who have the primary responsibility to instill in their children the proper political values they hold to be true, not the state. If this was not true, what good would it be to have a 1st Amendment right to free speech if all of the political values, mores and ideals presumably one uses the 1st Amendment right to express are inculcated by the state?
ex animo
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Ripper McCord
September 2, 2009 5:38 PM in reply to TBender
Personal responsibility includes pet ownership, as in Bush's complete reading of "The Pet Goat" after he was informed of the 9/11 attacks. Now there's an example of personal responsibility we can believe in! Baaaaaaa.
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Savilon
September 2, 2009 7:17 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
Prior to that, in 1989, President George H.W. Bush used a nationally televised speech to schoolchildren to push an anti-drug campaign. He urged young people to stop using drugs.
I'm not sure how I feel about asking either Bush to stand up in defense of a bi-partisan approach to allowing all of America's schoolchildren to hear the president speak, but it sure would make Obama's detractors look ignorant... not that they *really* need any help.
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mike from Arlington
September 2, 2009 3:11 PM
Gordon would rather have the next generation uneducated and unable to think for themselves so they can easily be manipulated.
Stay tuned for updates...
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toxophilite
September 2, 2009 3:31 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
Got it in one!
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davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 8:46 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
It's not the content, but the predicate. If the President can now demand free access to your children, how long do you think it's going to take another less scrupulous administration than Obama's to use it to further their own political goals?
If Obama is really concerned about education rather than gaining political access, he can print a pamphlet, or produce a video, or better yet, a viral YouTube and send it to the parents so they can fulfil their 1st Amendment rights as guardians of their children's political ideals, and not the government.
ex animo
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TheRealFish
September 3, 2009 1:01 AM in reply to davidfarrar
Right. And Nancy Reagan leading the cheer: "Just Say No!" at high school pep rallies. And Laura Bush cuddling the cuties in school libraries, sharing with them the importance of reading (with conservative school boards making sure that list of books doesn't contain Harry Potter, since that's all witchcraft and evil Satan Stuff).
And, yes, Dubbya reading about goat-tending for nine minutes while Americans in NY, DC and Pennsylvania were being killed by Al Qaeda.
Right. The main feature of proto-European schools, since they were invented about 7-800 years ago (by Catholics no less), was exactly for the purpose of exposing students to a wide-ranging set of real world experiences and ideas.
The exact kind of thing old states-righter Tom Jefferson believed in.
It's up to the parents, at home, to instill (or distort -- you choose) their children's political world views based on the things they run into out in the real world.
Send you kids to a seminary or the nearest Baptist Academy if you want blinders on their understanding of the real world clamped on by the education system.
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:27 AM in reply to davidfarrar
You're a stupid asshole.
As said: Learn how to STFU, and then show off that you know how to do that by STFU.
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CT Voter
September 3, 2009 12:20 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Bullshit. Kids working hard and attaining goals is now a political issue?
How crazed are you?
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CT Voter
September 2, 2009 3:11 PM
This is an abuse of power and an attempt by the Obama Administration to indoctrinate young Americans into supporting his socialist agenda.
I'll say it again: this bullshit should be subjected to extensive ridicule. So it's now socialist to urge kids to work hard in school?
This is turning into one of the uglier episodes in America politics.
Republicans should be deeply ashamed.
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Schmed
September 2, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to CT Voter
Republicans don't have a shame gene. It turns out to be a beneficial mutation for them (how else could they live with themselves?).
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TM
September 2, 2009 4:04 PM in reply to Schmed
So, if we could turn that shame gene on through some type of gene therapy, the GOP would all kill themselves? Hmmmmm
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DQKennard
September 2, 2009 4:37 PM in reply to TM
That's what they're afraid that "Obamacare" would do.
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davidfarrar
September 2, 2009 8:51 PM in reply to CT Voter
I am saying it is the parent's responsibility, indeed, even their right, to act as guardians of their own children's political development. When government replaces the parent in this regard, the parents' 1st Amendment right of free speech have been abridged.
ex animo
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:30 AM in reply to davidfarrar
Asshole: two or more individuals IS politics.
I'd ask that you stop being stiupid, but you're too fucking stupid to know how.
Instead: learn how to STFU, then proudly show off that you know how to do that by STFU.
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mJJ
September 3, 2009 1:54 AM in reply to CT Voter
I just had a very long giggle when I read your post. Frankly, I have grand kids in school in Texas, Alaska, and Oregon and I would be thrilled to have them listen to a talk about education given by our present President. He would emphasize the great goal of studying, staying in school and prepping for college. All of these topics DO NOT sound sinister to me. I certainly hope that Mr. Obama pays attention to what I - a life long Republican has said about how encouraging it would be for him to speak directly to my Grandkids. Of course, I have always had great respect for Presidents from the other party and I think kids benefit when we express some even-handedness. Republicans have just gone bonkers at this time and with supposed leadership they cling to like Hannity and Beck and so many others. I did notice also, that Mr. Gonzalez himself encourages the President to proceed with investigations into the Bush era CIA abuse of POWs. That is great. Gonzales may be redeemable if he keeps this up. He surely strayed from what is good and decent and I trust he will spend some time contemplating the errors of his ways while he was Bush's AG.
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johnmccsf
September 2, 2009 3:23 PM
Good God
I read the teaching materials. What in the hell is this guy talking about?
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SkippyFlipjack
September 2, 2009 3:58 PM in reply to johnmccsf
This guy's name is Katie.
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TM
September 2, 2009 4:11 PM in reply to SkippyFlipjack
No wonder he's nuts.
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dndobson
September 2, 2009 5:40 PM in reply to johnmccsf
Seriously.
From the Materials:
"Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short‐term and long‐term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
Quoted from Gordon quoting from the materials:
"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
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christovir
September 2, 2009 3:27 PM
"Students can't pray in school..."
Admittedly, there is an awful lot of BS in Gordon's response to sort through, and the statement above is not even the most absurd, but is surely the most demonstrably false. Students have always been allowed to pray in school, whenever they like, however often they like. Does anyone call them on BS like this?
Eric, I've really appreciated your reporting over the past few years, but I have to wonder, do the other folks at TPM assign you to follow-up on the crazies on purpose? When a visibly bonkers individual wanders on to the public political scene, do your office-mates say, "This one looks like a Kleefeld job"?
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twoviragos
September 2, 2009 4:45 PM in reply to christovir
I had a similar thought when I read this. So, Eric, what is it like to talk to people like Katie Gordon? Do you worry that the very act of speaking with her might cause you to lose IQ points? Do you find it hard not to say, "you've got to be kidding me" thoughtout the interview?
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Measure for Measure
September 2, 2009 7:24 PM in reply to christovir
It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it.
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joejustice
September 2, 2009 3:44 PM
Certainly we should want our children to emulate Sarah Palin, instead, right Gordon? Mainly because she reads ALL of the magazines and newspapers.
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Msinformed
September 2, 2009 5:13 PM in reply to joejustice
Or "any of them".
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AdAbsurdum
September 2, 2009 3:49 PM
Exactly nine days short of eight years ago, a Republican president reading "My Pet Goat" was using a Florida school as a photo-op and there was no outrage from Florida's IOKIYAR state officials.
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thomas1
September 2, 2009 5:26 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
i was thinking the same thing
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texasdem
September 2, 2009 5:33 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Doh! Beat me to it! :)
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Andreams
September 2, 2009 3:52 PM
This is nuts! The repus pity party has gone too far a lot of times but this is almost worse than death panels. He actually wants to keep students from hearing their president. I'm from Florida and used to work at the Dept of Education. The people there are smart, knowledgeable and want the best for the state's students. Politicians need to stay out of it.
Repus are doing any and every thing they can possibly do to bring down this administration and in the process, bring down this country. I realize that there are a lot of people who are upset that our President is black. Upset isn't accurate - hate is more like it. And these are the same people who deny racism. What a joke!
Every school child in Florida watched the Challenger explode because they showed the lift off in every classroom because a teacher was on board but they can't watch their President.
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thomas1
September 2, 2009 5:30 PM in reply to Andreams
is the education secretary a gubernatorial appointment? or just a guber?
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davidfarrar
September 3, 2009 6:20 AM in reply to Andreams
Not aganist their will and, in the case of juveniles, not without their parents' permission.
ex animo
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Walter Mitty
September 2, 2009 3:58 PM
I can't believe they doubled down on this. I thought for sure they'd walk the original remarks back.
The whole damn party has gone nuts.
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TM
September 2, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Why would they walk it back? The GOP has no real ideas and it had dwindling support. They've tapped into the nutjob fringe for support. They dominate the media with free nutjob antics and party hacks get invited to do free media on CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc. Its win win win for the GOP. Who cares if a few guys resign here and there? They sure don't. They will just replace them with an equally scummy Regent U. grad.
What bothers me is how the dems haven't figured out what they're doing or countered that the GOP is the party of psychos. What happened to all that political chess stuff from the campaign trail? Who's really running the White House and why are they asleep at the wheel?
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nellieh
September 2, 2009 5:21 PM in reply to TM
I can't figure out why the Dems don't understand what the Republicans are doing. I don't expect the Dems to be geniuses but I would hope they could grasp the concept of 'masters of the obvious.'
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VivaAmerica!
September 2, 2009 5:35 PM in reply to TM
We are not on the campaign trail. When will you guys get that? I also think some of you have been really spoiled by our Instant News. One attack must be immediately followed by a counter attack as if the two parties are sitting right across from each other.
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TM
September 2, 2009 6:22 PM in reply to VivaAmerica!
We are ALWAYS on the campaign trail. When will you guys get that? And the point was - why aren't we seeing better management of the media like we saw during the campaign?
If you think the political value of controlling the discussion in mainstream media for MONTHS is of no value then I think you're deceiving yourself. Some people have been convinced by these nutjobs. You may not care, you may think it can all be undone with a few Obama speeches to congress and union rallies but that isn't the case. You think the White House would be feeling out no public option or doing townhalls to dispel healthcare myths if damage wasn't being done?
Sorry, but media management is a critical part of any national political activity in 2009. As for "Instant News" - How many 24 hour news cycles have been dominated by this BS? At what point do you begin to realize this isn't a one time occurrence blown out of proportion? It is a long term series of BS inflated rallies, insane assertions and nutjob protests that continue to get major coverage by media outlets. How long does media have to cover these guys before you accept that they need to be taken seriously? You do realize that the same people who are controlling this were doing the same thing in Florida a few years back right? You're sounding like this guy named Kerry I used to know.
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serafinapekkala
September 2, 2009 4:09 PM
I quote Homer Simpson: "Florida?! That's America's wang!"
I am still laughing over this gem: "Students can't pray in school, but
they can discuss new ideas and actions that the President is challenging
them to think about." Yes, it's tough, being challenged IN SCHOOL
to THINK of IDEAS.
I'd also like to know how this dimwit distinguishes the
ultra-fascist, compulsory morning Pledge of Allegiance to a FLAG that
represents the COUNTRY led by a SOCIALIST from this Orwellian speech on
Tuesday....does the "under God" part of the Pledge act as some kind of
magic charm, stripping away its propagandistic mojo?
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Scarce
September 2, 2009 4:10 PM
Katie Gordon is an idiot. Here's the Florida GOP's handiwork from last year.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/510/
420 E. Jefferson Street
PO Box 311
Tallahassee, FL 32301
Phone: 850.222.7920
Fax: 850.681.0184
Media Contact:
Katie Gordon (850) 222-7920
After Hours (850) 339-7087
kgordon@rpof.org
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Powkat
September 2, 2009 4:51 PM in reply to Scarce
Last year she backed away from the crazy - this year she doubles down. Show just how far into nutjob territory the Republican party has moved - the sane people are gone and the loonies rule.
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xargaw
September 2, 2009 4:14 PM
Where is the MSM when these lunatics spew this stuff? Twenty years ago, this kind of stupidity would have been a career ender. Now, it passes for a legitimate compliant. Politicians have always spoken to school kids, even the President. Silence encourages these idiots.
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jeffgee
September 2, 2009 8:22 PM in reply to xargaw
It's what Sean Hannity and the rest of the Fox News clowns do every day.
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brianm0122
September 2, 2009 4:18 PM
We don't need any dat-gum IDEAs in our schools!! Presidents should just sit down and read the kids a book.
"My Pet Goat" annyone?
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DanF
September 2, 2009 4:45 PM in reply to brianm0122
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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pikaomega
September 2, 2009 4:20 PM
"The only person we want indoctrinating our children through the public school system is Jesus."
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Chris
September 2, 2009 5:16 PM in reply to pikaomega
Well, Jesus ain't got nothing to do with any of it. Let's go do this!
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Kuyleh
September 2, 2009 4:28 PM
I'm wordless. There are quite a few fragments of responses going through my mind, but I can't make any of them into a whole sentence as of yet.
Stupid people hurt.
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mk3872
September 2, 2009 4:38 PM
Eric - Why did you allow the secretary to compare the POTUS speaking to school children with allowing prayer in school?
How could you not challenge that assertion as separation of church & state is clearly spelled-out in the Constitution AND upheld by the SCOTUS?
By bringing-up prayer in school and claiming that the Left would be saying the same things about Bush, she gave herself away as nothing more than an angry vengeful ideologue and I wish you had challenged her more.
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twoviragos
September 2, 2009 4:51 PM in reply to mk3872
I don't know MK, Ms. Gordon did stupid just fine without any help from Eric.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 2, 2009 4:44 PM
I'd like to get onto the derision train and make fun of this guy, but I'm still kind of shaken by how similar his "reasoning" is to the reasoning employed by liberal bloggers when they're working some generic statement by a White House official into proof positive that Obama's plotting to betray the progressives (who were, of course, solely and entirely, responsible for electing him).
Both sides work from an irrebutable assumption of bad faith--sometimes implicit, sometimes not. The result is that every statement or action, however prosaic, becomes fuel for the outrage boiler. And there's no really talking them down, and in fact, nothing the White House can do to prove them wrong, because that assumption of bad faith is, in their minds, irrebutable. Instead, they tautalogically respond with a "well, yeah, that's what they'd say, isn't it? But if that's so why are they doing x, huh? Huh? Answer me that, smart guy!" Where x is some thing they've decided that the White House must be doing based on said presumption of bad faith.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 2, 2009 4:47 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Whoops, wrong gender on the Republican fool.
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:40 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
No harm done: S/he probably won't notice the difference.
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mc mark
September 2, 2009 4:53 PM
What the hell is wrong with these people?
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ogliberal
September 2, 2009 4:56 PM
I'm not a violent person. I've never even been in a fight, never hit somebody in anger. But some folks deserve a swift elbow strike to the bridge of the nose. Katie Gordon and Jim Greer are prime candidates.
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Savilon
September 2, 2009 6:56 PM in reply to ogliberal
I'd be careful with that elbow talk. Next thing you know the Republicans will be accusing *us* of bringing loaded elbows to Florida's political events.
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phd_student
September 2, 2009 5:00 PM
Is it possible the white house is scheduling this address, and not releasing advance copies just to make the GOP look reactionary and stupid? Because it's working.
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Stiggs
September 2, 2009 9:28 PM in reply to phd_student
It's either that or because he's making a statement to a bunch of kids and anybody who ever heard a politician of any leaning speak could guess what he's going to say.
"Each and every one of you possess the promise of America's great future ... generic positive platitude ... but these are unprecedented times ... a great challenge lies ahead ... we need to step up to meet this challenge ... we need to make sure American students don't fall behind ... I want you to help make America's future as great as we all know it should be ... stay in school, work hard, do your homework and eat your vegetables ... peace, Barack out"
That last bit might not be right.
This is going to be completely uncontroversial and the same thing that any other mildly eloquent and at least slightly sane leader would say. These fascists need to be humiliated and then deported.
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fkaZk0sm0
September 2, 2009 5:08 PM
"...there are a lot of the President's ideas that I wouldn't want my children discussing in a public school. It's not appropriate, the place for that is in the home."
so, how old are ms gordon's children?
they actually attend public schools?
which of the president's 'ideas' specifically are appropriate to discuss 'in the home' but not appropriate to discuss in a public school?
evolution??
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MyMy
September 2, 2009 6:24 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
Whenever a Republican gets huffy about 'protecting' their children, I can't help but recall their gleeful gloating over every salacious tidbit Kenneth Starr made very public about Clinton's private sex life.
I recall my young sons wondering at the time what 'oral sex' meant, and they contented themselves with assuming it meant people 'talking about sex'.
But this is about the children seeing -- and gasp!-- realizing their president is a black man.
The South will not stand for that!
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Savilon
September 2, 2009 7:04 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
Given her tone, I would assume the fear is that Obama will want to educate the nation's school children about the importance of accepting gays as equals, allowing them to marry, not beating them up (even if their friends feel it's cool) and to remember that although their parents assure them they'll burn in hell for having one, condoms are still available to the unmarried and abortion is STILL safe and legal.
Although I sincerely doubt that Obama even had the faintest intention of even alluding to either homosexuality or human reproduction.
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garp
September 2, 2009 5:08 PM
She wants to teach the children to respect the President by accusing the President of political brainwashing. That makes sense in some cosmos or other, but not this one.
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:44 AM in reply to garp
Republicans are alien self-cannibals who eat their own brains.
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napalmgod
September 2, 2009 5:12 PM
I think the question that would have been worth asking was "What kind of ideas are you worried the President will express?".
What, specifically, is the fear? That the President is going to recommend overthrowing the US Government? Explain how to make crystal meth at home? Perhaps give the speech in a big t-shirt with "Abort the little babies now!"?
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Dave Bowman
September 2, 2009 5:16 PM
Later Gordon added, 'I want to see Obama's birth certificate.'
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Grackle
September 2, 2009 5:18 PM
Oh that's hilarious. Florida right now has some of the worst schools in the nation. There's little business left in the state, as companies have gone elsewhere since they can't find a decent pool of educated people, and new business isn't coming into the state for the same reason. Families are also fleeing the state if they want their kids to get a decent education. The state keeps cutting funding to schools, probably the GOP legislature trying whatever it can to get vouchers programs so kids can abandon those heathen public schools and go to Christian school. The result is a highly uneducated population. Florida's trying real hard to be Mississippi, and they're almost there.
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raiatean
September 2, 2009 5:30 PM
What would you expect from a bunch of repigs, These people have an IQ lower than whale shit and that is on the bottom of the ocean. I am really finding it hard to believe how stupid the country of my birth is becoming.... I realize that I am "Old and In The Way" But I know people who only have an eighth grade education and speak 3 languages, who are much better educated than the "average" american today....
I am sure glad France still has a top notch education system, at least my grandkids will have a good Progressive education..
Just this old chief's 2 cents
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historianess
September 2, 2009 5:31 PM
Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who made a speech to America's schoolchildren, encouraging them to do well in math and science and then become scientists and engineers in order to defeat the Soviets? (I could be wrong but I seem to remember that.)
Would Ms. Gordon consider Reagan's speech to be socialist?
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hewhohasnoname
September 2, 2009 5:50 PM in reply to historianess
Ummm... Of course she wouldn't. The Reagan is beyond reproach. The trauma of speaking ill of him would devastate these people.
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dndobson
September 2, 2009 5:42 PM
What's really frightening about all this is that the President seems to be ENCOURAGING students to EXCHANGE STICKY NOTES. That will lead to dancing and then sex.
Why do socialists want children to have sex?!!??
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hewhohasnoname
September 2, 2009 5:45 PM
TPM should just make it official and run a story: "Republican Party Has Gone Nuts."
This is crazy! The President challenging students to perform well in class and expand their intellectual horizons is "indoctrination"? Seriously, such a suggestion sounds like would come from someone with a mental illness.
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JNagarya
September 3, 2009 2:53 AM in reply to hewhohasnoname
See the film "Ride with the Devil". There is a scene in which a middle-class hite guy is talking to teenage "bushwackers," and asks if they've ever been to Lawrence, KS. They say they haven't.
He continues on about how he saw there the "seeds of our (i.e., the South's) destruction. Why, they built their schools before they built their churches!" And he says in horror, "And every tailor's son and farmer's daughter is encouraged to get an education.
He then lectures the teenage "bushwackers" about how the Yankees are teaching everyone to think for themselves "in the same way," and how it is wrong to educate those not of the right "station" to be educated.
And, of course, the "bushwackers" agreed, and vowed to patriotically fight against that unAmericanism.
So there you have it: the "Southern way of life" is based upon stupidity as the norm.
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Pmoc
September 2, 2009 5:48 PM
It's the evolution tactic again. Next they will lobby boards of education to strike references to the New Deal as socialist. Everything is partisan. It doesn't matter if it is history or not.
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impik
September 2, 2009 5:53 PM
I have no idea how Obama can stand all this crap. Honestly, i don't. He must explode behind closed doors, because this is freaking unbelievable.
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azpaull
September 2, 2009 5:55 PM
Re this passage: Gordon directed me to the official teaching materials that the Department of Education has posted. Gordon especially took exception to this part of the materials: "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." I pointed out that this item came from a list of bullet points headed "Extension of the Speech," which clearly means it's in the context of the speech on personal responsibility and academic goals.
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Eiher the DOE changed the handout at the link, or the GOP spokesnut got it wrong. It does not suggest students ask how they can "help the President." (If it did say that, that WOULD BE unfortunate wording on some DOE person's part.)
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TBender
September 2, 2009 6:01 PM
It's spread to Texas:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6599457.html
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hewhohasnoname
September 2, 2009 6:25 PM in reply to TBender
It will be nationwide soon enough. Crazy knows no bounds (psychological or geographic).
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Kuyleh
September 2, 2009 6:35 PM in reply to TBender
That website used to be where I got the majority of my news, but the people that frequent it are so anal-retentive that everything, literally EVERYTHING becomes about Obama and how he's going to destroy the country. I couldn't take it anymore.
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sbv
September 2, 2009 6:10 PM
let's take a breath, think straight. the best revenge to the crazies out there manipulated by the machiavellian gop is for president obama to be successful. no amount of gop/media complex or town hall meetings or rants and raves, or campaign donations, can overcome the will of a majority of voting americans.
write, stand up, speak out; but most of all, let your representatives and senators know your vote and your money will go only for those that support our president, his agenda and health care reform with a strong public option!
what the gop and the crazies want you to forget, is we are the majority!
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Winski
September 2, 2009 6:19 PM
The Florida GOP is a like a Glen Beck show on steroids....All smoke and NO mirrors. Or better yet, keep your kids away since the presidential chat conflicts with all local KKK meetings which are mandatory under Fla. law...
It's astounding how these people even function at WalMart...Here's hoping for a great, active hurricane season...
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jweb271
September 2, 2009 6:32 PM
The front page quote is telling. Teaching that civic ideas are best taught at home--marginalizing ideas into beliefs that can then be refuted simply by saying "I don't believe the same thing."
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kaylaspop
September 2, 2009 6:36 PM
I sure remember what happened the last an American President sat in a Florida classroom & read to children.
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kaylaspop
September 2, 2009 6:36 PM
I sure remember what happened the last an American President sat in a Florida classroom & read to children.
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Nancy Irving
September 2, 2009 6:37 PM
"a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators" -
OMG that is SO f'ing Marxist!
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Thom Jeff
September 2, 2009 6:46 PM
Eric, any chance you could address the question that's come up a few times. She says that the teaching materials say:
"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
Yet the link you provide shows it's not there. You don't refute her. Did the doc change or is your link wrong?
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impik
September 2, 2009 6:48 PM
It's time say it out loud: They want this president dead. The writing is all over the wall and if no one's going to stop this madness, it'll end very very bad.
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GTFOOH
September 2, 2009 7:06 PM
Where are all the bad ass Dems that would secretly have this asshole investigated by the IRS, revoke government loans to his school children, kick him out of his subsidized housing, slip his name to the terrorist watch list? The time for Mr. Nice Guy is long over!
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Savilon
September 2, 2009 7:21 PM
During the years Dubya was in office, he supported giving our tax dollars to "Faith based initiatives" (Church programs) and the teaching of Creation or Intelligent Design in public school science classes.
It is hard to imagine that any citizen of the USA could be so afraid of what ANY US President could say to their children. It is far easier to imagine that there are US citizens so RACIST as to fear allowing their children to listen to a black man in a position of authority.
(PS: I'm not excusing it, I'm merely saying that it provides a more reasonable explanation of their motivations)
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AlphaLiberal
September 2, 2009 7:21 PM
They keep doubling down on the crazy knowing that the Media and the Village will just split the difference between Crazy and Reality.
Why not turn the tables? Stop restraining ourselves from attacking the GOP too hard or calling them out for the anti-American authoritarians they are. We need to counter-attack relentlessly and kick some ass already.
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Savilon
September 2, 2009 7:27 PM in reply to AlphaLiberal
Here's a strategy I've been pondering for a few years now. It could legitimately be argued that since most of these conservative Christian Republicans would like to alter the government to adhere to "Biblical Law" and since most of their bibles were heavily altered (at some point) by the Church Governments of nations other than the USA, it could legitimately be argued that by showing a stronger allegiance to "the Bible" than they clearly have for constitutional law that they are all committing treason.
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Thisby
September 3, 2009 12:53 AM in reply to Savilon
I love it! Can I help with the revolution? They all think Yahweh and Jesus spoke English with a southern drawl.
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oskieoskie
September 2, 2009 7:39 PM
Help! Help! The President of the United States is trying to indoctrinate school children with the old-fashioned American work ethic.
I recall the Florida school system was content to let the last president read to their kids about a pet goat while the nation was under attack.
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king vidor
September 2, 2009 7:42 PM
At least he wont sit there and read "My Pet Goat" while our world crashes down around us.
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mc mark
September 2, 2009 7:54 PM
You want in indoctrination? How about JUST SAY NO!!
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Noonan
September 2, 2009 8:01 PM
And here I thought getting to see the president when you were a kid was a cool thing, not a political thing.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
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Megan97401
September 2, 2009 8:30 PM
This is pathetic. He's the freakin' President of the United States! I thought they were into that sort of thing, respecting the office, authority, etc. Oh yeah, there goes that trademark hypocrisy again.
This is nothing but a bunch of sad, scared, whiny clingers to the old ways and mythology, who are terrified that their children might grow up with differing beliefs, to be, you know, reasonable people. My god, the horror! Obama's going to tell them to work hard in school and reach for lofty goals, and at "worst", tell them to give back to their communities. What are these people so worried about?!
If Bush was to give a speech addressing schoolchildren, I certainly would never jump to the conclusion that he was indoctrinating them, and I wouldn't make my kids (if I ever have any, which is doubtful) leave school, or try to shelter them from the President speaking. (Even though I despise Bush and his stolen tenure in office.) I would simply answer any questions they had, talk with them about it, and if anything incorrect was stated I'd correct it. Simple as that.
People like this make me sick. I really wish they'd all just leave the country. Obama may not be perfect, but the disagreements I have with him aren't the same ones that they do.
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Snig
September 2, 2009 9:16 PM
I expect Obama will give a very neutral speech. He will fail to mention evolution and homosexuality. He will fail to endorse crack or meth. Trotsky will not be lauded. He may say something inspiring and stirring. Hopefully the GOP rep will then be judged by the content of his character, which is that of a tinfoil-hat wearing nutjob who shouldn't be taken seriously.
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JJNelson
September 2, 2009 9:48 PM
Good lord! I was just listening to my local right wing AM station today, and they were encouraging people to call in to their kids' schools to complain about this. I just can't wrap my head around this sort of hatred. If George Bush planned to do the exact same thing during his Presidency, I can't imagine even the most hard left liberals raising any sort of fuss.
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John in Houston
September 2, 2009 10:50 PM
GOP = Goobers On Parade
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GTFOOH
September 3, 2009 11:09 AM in reply to John in Houston
Guard Our Privilege
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Rich in NJ
September 2, 2009 11:35 PM
It sounds like a cry for help.
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AhTrini1
September 2, 2009 11:59 PM
Hypocrites a.k.a. republicans are going bat shyt crazy because a half-Black man is the president; can you imagine IF he were whole Black?!?!?!?
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Thisby
September 3, 2009 12:43 AM
What a bunch of crap this is, even for Florida! I am old enough to remember JFK exhorting school children to be mentally curious and physically fit. The President's physical fitness push nearly killed me in junior high! Jimmy Carter told us to put on our sweaters. Old G.W.Chimp.Bush was reading to kids on the most tragic day of our lives (not that his reading actually caused the attacks... I'm sure...) What kind of people in the United States of America would deny their children the opportunity to meet their President and hear him speak. Hell, I would have even gone to hear Reagan speak if I'd ever had the opportunity. These people are insane. Worse than insane... I think they actually know what they are doing and that disturbs me even more.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
September 3, 2009 4:34 AM
Let the parents pull their kids out of school for the day. Then the next day we will know who are all the wack-jobs and the pulled-out children can explain to their friends what it's like to live in kooky-land. Also, we will know who school security should tail on school events because of he risk of them packing illegal heat on school property.
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acamus
September 3, 2009 9:00 AM
Got stuck watch Hannity last night at the laundromat talking with Michelle Malkin about this, and Michelle was saying how Obama's speech was going to be tame and with-in bounds of proper, but it was all those left-wing liberal socialist teachers that would then use the speech as a way to indoctrinate the kids. The classrooms were living laboratories for their liberal experiments on the children. Of course it was just another tactic taken from the Chicago politics handbook, which means of course it goes back to Ayres.
Still, the new evil on the block is the NEA and those dang teachers. It isn't just happening at college anymore.
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b8akaratn
September 3, 2009 9:50 AM
Why couldn't someone have raised all this objection over the Presidential Physical Fitness Tests when these came about? Man, I hated gym class because of this! ;-)
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Mr. Conspiracy
September 3, 2009 11:20 AM
I completely agree with the Florida GOP. There are some things that should be taught in the home, not school. Starting with religion.
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