Unless the healthcare legislation has language that explicitly says that we will a) erect a 100 hundred foot wall surrounded by 100 yards of minefields across our entire Southern border b) round up every illegal immigrant - especially the brown ones - in this country, put them on a fleet of box trucks and ship them back to where they came from, the wingnuts will insist that whatever legislation the Dems draft and Obama signs will give trillions of dollars in healthcare subsidies to dirty wetbacks. There is no compromising with these folks so why even try - it ain't going to win you points and the legislation already said that subsidies would NOT go to illegal aliens.

To paraphrase CT on another blog: Hey dumbass Dems, you won the election!

With dems like these who needs Republicans.

But if we didn't do this, all those Canadians dissatisfierd with their health care would sneak into Montana and North Dakota and overrun the locals looking foir cheap care!

Pussies.

People all over the country work and donate and otherwise contribute for years to put Democrats in the majority.

Then they put clowns like these two in charge of key legislation. Baucus and Conrad scorn the Democratic Party by their actions.

So what will the pusillanimous Senate Dems do next? Why put Baucus in charge of the climate bill!

Please join me in diverting campaign contributions away from Democratic Party organizations and toward independent and progressive committees like MoveOn, ActBlue, etc.

Fool me once ---- won't get fooled again!

I keep wondering why they are so defensive and appease so easily...

could it be that they're on fox news so often fox news has become the "super-ego"?
they think.. hmmmm..
when i'm on fox on sunday, how can i prove myself or protect myself so they won't attack me?

maybe being on there too often makes you fear the mob.

Republican strategy is clear:
1) Read the Bill to find a provision they think they can exploit.
2) Pass the Bill's language through their Truth Distorsion Language Filter, attach a short label (low in truth, high in Fear-Mongering) by which they will hereafter refer to the provision.
3) Rely on their integrity- challenged politicians and media (including e-mails) to circulate this bogus
"threat" to their masses, confident they won't do any fact-checking).
4) The Dems, surpised, frustrated and bewildered by the noise of the Big LIe (aided by the MSM by now),
(a) strike the provision - thus usually weakening the Bill or (b) add "clarifying language", thus making explicit what everyone knows is implicit in the provision (not unlike what parents and teachers regularly are foced to do with recalcitrant 5-year olds).
(5) The Merry Band of GOP Dullards (from trolls to John Boehner) then proclaim that the Republicans have saved America from this dastardly Democrat (sic) plot to harm the country (never mind they
manufactured the whole thing).

Expect to see it as the post-Bill reaction of Republicans. See, on this,this and this (cf Big LIes) we have saved the country.

Ironically, even if this has any traction,, it only underscores that since the GOP is incapable of doing any heavy lifting in respect to domestic and social issues (though they're good at throwing pebbles on the load), their BEST POSITION as a political party is that of a PERMANENT MINORITY.

The extremely idiotic thing about all this is that by trying so hard to make sure they don't get the insurance, we end up paying more for them when they visit the emergency room. I agree that people who are here illegally should be prevented from getting government benefits, but we shouldn't go to the trouble of trying to prevent a given benefit if it means we are going to be paying more anyway. Nobody (well almost nobody) is going to argue that a dying, undocumented person should be denied care in an emergency room. And guess what? If they don't have insurance, we're going to pay for them anyway.

You go get the rope...I'll go find a tree.

Heeeeeere Bauccy Bauccy Bauccy...