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Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) wasn't on hand in the Finance Committee hearing room to oppose against the public option in person. But below is her official statement with respect to the "no" vote she issued by proxy.

Arkansans have told me they support health care reform that forces insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and prevents them from dropping coverage when you become seriously ill. We can achieve these goals, stabilize the cost of coverage for Arkansans who have health insurance, and expand coverage to the uninsured and underinsured without creating a purely public, new government program, which most Arkansans do not support. I have promised my constituents that I will fight for health insurance reform that is deficit neutral, now and in the future, and that creates more choices for small businesses and their workers and the self-employed. These are important priorities that I believe we can achieve.
In addition, I am working to ensure that requiring Americans to purchase health insurance does not result in a personal windfall for health insurance company executives. My amendment would cut the tax shelter, from $1 million to $500,000, of what businesses are able to deduct for executive compensation. This is a fair policy change aimed at lowering insurance costs to consumers and reassuring them that insurance companies are not receiving excessive tax breaks while at the same time profiting from a government mandate.

Not very good news for reformers. The key questions down the line will be whether she's willing to filibuster a public option amendment or an entire health care reform bill on the grounds that it contains a public option.

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September 29, 2009 7:31 PM   

I think Chuck Shumer saying what Lincoln just said would be bad news for reformers. That Lincoln said this? Eh.

Maybe she's getting some heat for her weaselly non-vote today. And I'd say that's good news for reformers.

*Apologies to weasels everywhere.

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September 30, 2009 9:22 AM    in reply to CT Voter

Sure we can. It's called a big pile of shit.

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September 30, 2009 10:12 AM    in reply to CT Voter

Her repub challenger is ahead..We can get HC reform only with a public option but we can do without her..call her 1.866.311.3405

1994=2010...

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September 30, 2009 12:20 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Seriously. Weasels have more integrity, and last time I checked, they didn't take huge pots of cash from Lobbyists.

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September 30, 2009 6:57 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Yeah weasles are kinda cute

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September 29, 2009 7:36 PM   

How about we accomplish her defeat.

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September 29, 2009 11:42 PM    in reply to bluebell

Everything You Need To Know About The Baucus Bill In Two Minutes

(youtube video at the link below)

As Flanagan explains, without a public option, insurance companies can set their own rates, set their own level of benefits, and force the uninsured to pay them under penalty of law - you're talking about a forced market where people will be fined for not giving money to private health insurance companies. Max Baucus would say that there are safeguards to limit the amount of out-of-pocket spending or premium spending as a percentage of income, but he wants those rules to be set by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, an industry-friendly group without open meetings or public hearings, making the potential for loopholes and abuse very ripe.

Flanagan also takes on the bad employer provisions in the Baucus bill, which will allow them to drop health care for their customers and throw them onto the exchanges. He says that employers could pay only a couple hundred dollars a year per employee under this plan.

Flanagan further explains that the co-op alternative in the Baucus bill could lead to the gutting of state consumer protection laws on health insurance. This is a key point, and could lead to the insurance market looking like the credit card market, with every issuer moving to states with virtually no regulations or restrictions on how they manage their credit card business.

If you're looking for a quick, succinct way to explain the problems with the Baucus bill, pass along this video

http://crooksandliars.com/dday/everything-you-need-know-about-baucus-bill-tw

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September 30, 2009 12:10 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

Obama is head of the Democratic Party. He is President.

If he doesn't get out there and lead, then he is complicit in the defeat of the public option and handing over the public to the sharks of the Insurance Industry.

He can't stay on the sidelines and expect to be above it all.

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September 30, 2009 9:42 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

Sure he is, but have you heard of "for the people, by the people"?. Every thing seem to be Obama this, Obama that, there need to be accountability here. Where are all those who voted for him?. Are they writing letters, making phone calls, doing all in their power to influence the decision which will surely come this year. It is time to halt the decline of your country, the greatest country in the world for the past 200 years. Show the guts that made you so. With all your faults you still have an opportunity to redefine greatness as it pertains to a shrinking world. I wish you luck.

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September 30, 2009 10:43 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

Obama's too busy kissing IOC ass. Because the Olympics are so much more important than health care.

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September 30, 2009 11:21 AM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Blogger, PLEASE! It was McCain who could only handle one thing at a time, not Obama.

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September 30, 2009 11:30 AM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Gimme a break. He's going to be "kissing IOC ass" for all of a couple of hours. And what are you doing, besides complaining about ass kissing?

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September 30, 2009 11:36 AM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Irony of ironies, Obama is at NIH right now and was when you were staring into a square, shooting your mouth off about nothing.

debbiedoesnothing? more like debbieKNOWSnothing.

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September 30, 2009 9:21 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

Holy Crap!

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September 30, 2009 9:25 AM    in reply to bluebell

Definitely! Let's see her unemployed and in need of health insurance! What a whore.

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September 30, 2009 10:26 AM    in reply to oleeb

Well, She'll be unemployed soon enough...

No dougbt hired by an insurance Company lobbying firm shortly thereafter though...

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September 29, 2009 7:40 PM   

When was the last time there was an actual poll in Arkansas of how they felt about the public option? Did Blanche Lincoln do anything at all to educate her constituents as to what it actually is?

Her amendment to reduce the tax benefit to corporations of providing part of employee's compensation as health benefits will make it more expensive for companies to provide health insurance to their employees. I fail to see how this can possibly keep health insurance costs in line for the average consumer.

Blanche Lincoln's current standing in the polls would seem to indicate what her constituents think of her current stand.

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September 29, 2009 11:07 PM    in reply to AJM

There was an Arkansas poll on the public option two weeks ago, and the numbers don't match what Blanche says: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/strong-majority-of-arkansans-support-public-option.php

(reposting, more or less, from below)

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September 29, 2009 7:54 PM   

Well, then your constituents are stupid Blanche and, I'm sure you're counting on that.

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September 29, 2009 7:54 PM   

Last I checked if you don't have a public option, you don't have the votes of the CPC in the house. How does Majority Leader Blanche Lincoln expect to pass her bill exactly?

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September 29, 2009 8:10 PM   

The only polls Ms Lincoln is looking at are the ones that point to her losing next year to, not one, but three different republicans.

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September 29, 2009 9:01 PM    in reply to mc mark

Do you think wrecking health care reform is going to help her beat these Republicans?

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September 29, 2009 9:24 PM    in reply to wbgonne

In her mind it might.

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September 29, 2009 9:26 PM    in reply to mc mark

Then she needs to be educated. Where is her primary challenger?

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September 29, 2009 8:23 PM   

"We can achieve these goals, stabilize the cost of coverage for Arkansans who have health insurance, and expand coverage to the uninsured and underinsured without creating a purely public, new government program..."

Uh, you left out the "and we can do this by" part of this statement, Blanche.

And, judging by the polling, all the corporate-whoring in the world isn't going to save your sorry ass come 2010.

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September 30, 2009 12:55 PM    in reply to brewmn61

Uh, you left out the "and we can do this by" part of this statement, Blanche.

Yep, that's what makes it a statement of ideology, not policy.

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September 29, 2009 9:00 PM   

Does she have a Democratic primary challenger? If so, I will donate money to him or her.

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September 29, 2009 9:01 PM   

At the end of the day this is going to be the President's call. This whole thing can go two ways now:

(1) We go through a floor vote on the senate w/out a PO and the House/Senate conference committee has a PO option inserted.

(2) Harry Reid puts a PO in the senate bill he merges btwn Finance/HELP and we put this to a floor vote and see who will vote against cloture. This means whipping the caucus in line and actual LEADERSHIP so unless Rahm does it and the WH demands discipline I doubt it happens.

At the end of the day, I don't think the House will vote against a health care bill. I think they'll give way to the senate unless the President puts himself behind the Public Option in conference. I think that's what'll happen; but you never know.

I'm encouraged by Baucus and Conrad saying good things about the PO and Carper and Nelson voting for the Schumer amendment. It shows things are still fluid; but a lot of conservative democrats aren't going to go for this and that means reconciliation.

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September 30, 2009 5:02 AM    in reply to Gator_fan

She'd 'like' to be re-elected but the Democratic Establishment is probably desperate to have her elected. With the polls Ann Arbor referenced above running running 55 to 38 in favor of the public option neither have much hope if a small percentage of the Democrats who favor public option get disgusted and stay home. Also, I'd guess that the 38% are untouchable by her any way and don't see how she thinks that voting against public option is going to persuade any of the middle and the independents who are clearly favoring public option to vote for her. Currently, she's toast -- whether or not she gets a primary opponent and your two options are the only way the Democratic establishment has of saving the seat.

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September 30, 2009 5:08 AM    in reply to Gator_fan

Intended as a reply to Tosh.

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September 29, 2009 9:02 PM   

With Democrats in the Senate like her and Max Baucus, who needs the Republicans? Their willful tone-deafness on this important issue is simply astonishing.

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September 29, 2009 11:01 PM   

Blanche, don't mean to burst your bubble, but your constituents FAVOR a public option:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/strong-majority-of-arkansans-support-public-option.php

Maybe you'd know that already if you didn't use GOP language to talk about it.

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September 30, 2009 12:33 AM    in reply to Ann Arbor

She doesn't give a shit what *that* poll says. She also doesn't give a shit that if you look at the internals of the polls, her direct constituants (Democrats) support it more strongly than those folks who are going to vote GOP anyway.

She doesn't fear a primary at the moment, and it's likely that there's zero pressure from the DSCC or the White House run DNC that they will run out a primary candidate. Instead, they're almost certainly talking people out of running against her in the primary as they are doing with a lit of potential opponents to ConservaDems and Blue Dogs.

Which frees her up to defend her right flank from a GOP General Election Opponent.

Beyond that, as I said in another post, she just doesn't give a shit about the people of Arkansas. She'd like to get re-elected. But failing that, she no doubt has an exceptional parachute waiting for her funded by her pals at Wal-Mart as thanks for all she's done in the past and will do over the next year for the Waltons & Friends. Healthcare? Check. Climant Change? Check. Estate Taxes? Massive Check. Bush Tax Cuts? She'll fight to extend that. Anything she can kill or water down, she'll do. And these polls showing her in a tight General Election with the GOP will give her cover to get slack from Senate Leadership and the White House to "do what she needs to do" rather than rolling out a primary challenger to either:

* force her left; or

* present a more viable candidate for the General Election as the best chance of holding the state given Blanche might be toast in the state

John

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September 29, 2009 11:02 PM   

I just watched her vote. *sigh*

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September 29, 2009 11:11 PM   

what is it about the Arkansas Democrats that they feel the need to abandon the best interests of their constituents in favor of the 'industry'?
Follow the $$$$ - follow the $$$$

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September 29, 2009 11:45 PM   

Accomplishing Blanche Lincoln's defeat only works if it happens in the primary, and the resulting Democrat is more reliably progressive, and beats the Republican nominee in the final. Otherwise, we have either replaced Lincoln with a clone, or worse, we replaced her with a Republican guaranteed to oppose any and all Democratic initiatives. So, when posters advocate tossing out Dems who are not supportive of progressive bills, or a too timid in opposing Republican stonewalling, they better be clear on what the possible outcomes of those actions are. Things could be worse.

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September 30, 2009 5:12 AM    in reply to acf_ma

Accomplishing Blanche Lincoln's defeat works not only in the event that we get a better replacement -- it also works if it gets Democratic politicians to realize that there is electoral danger from their left if they vote against their constituents in a misguided attempt to curry favor with the Right. I'd far rather have 59 Senators who can be trusted to vote Democratic (or what's a filibuster for?) than 60 who adopt policies they ought to be blocking.

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September 30, 2009 3:51 PM    in reply to AJM

AJM I hear you. My post was addressed to more than just Lincoln. There are a whole host of so called Democrats that have been obstructing a progressive agenda, only one of which is the health issue. I get annoyed at each and every one of them, including the Majority Leader, who is the leader of a far too timid group of Democrats controlling the House and Senate. However, just dumping the lot of them, without good replacements, does threaten our majority and ability to move the progressive agenda forward. We have to get good, strong candidates to run against them, or risk losing a majority wide enough to accomplish things, or the majority, altogether. A few primary threats in states with a reliable blue hue, from the left of some of these problem seat warmers, would big a big help.

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September 30, 2009 7:51 AM   

Considering the majority of Republicans support a public option, I guarantee the majority of her constituents oppose it. Nationally opposition to a public option is in the 20-30% range. She is using her constituents as scapegoats because she is a corporate puppet.

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September 30, 2009 12:24 PM    in reply to LuxVeritas

But the polls aren't showing that. Indeed, they show quite the opposite, that they support it by a wide margin.

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September 30, 2009 8:55 AM   

This is a fair policy change aimed at lowering insurance costs to consumers and reassuring them that insurance companies are not receiving excessive tax breaks while at the same time profiting from a government mandate.

Really, Blanche...you can do this and by what means do you go about his mandate that will actually fine the poor people of ARK...you are morally corrupt and the democratic leaders of the Senate are sad pols who have taken hope and change and thrown it away for blood money!

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September 30, 2009 9:01 AM   

Correction: We don't need TOXIC Democrats like Blanche Lincoln who are oppose to social change.

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September 30, 2009 9:09 AM   

No public option, no mandate.

Can we at least agree on that??

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September 30, 2009 9:09 AM   

This Senator should be targeted for defeat!

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September 30, 2009 9:09 AM   

Arkansans: the state of Democrats In Name Only.

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September 30, 2009 9:13 AM   

If Blanche Lincoln is not truly in danger of losing her Senate seat, then why is she so against the public option? I saw a poll, I think on Nate Silver's website that said that a majority of Arkansans are in favor of the public option, so it can't be that? So what is it Sen. Lincoln?? Maybe you have to give a little back to your health insurance industry "sugar daddies"?

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September 30, 2009 9:22 AM   

I notice that she's trailing badly in the polls listed on the right side of the page. If she thinks she can turn this around by acting like a Republican, I think she has another thing coming.

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September 30, 2009 9:25 AM   

Morning to all: I got back from doing some business yesterday just in time to watch the debate on TPM of course, and was just blown away as I watched the voting. Does Pres.Obama know that the head of the FC is a republican, and that quite a few of the members of his party in the Senate must be ardent listeners of rush limbaugh?. If they aren't then they need to be educated as to what liberalism means. Shocked.

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September 30, 2009 9:27 AM   

Fuck you, Blanche.

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September 30, 2009 9:35 AM   

Time to contribute to her GOP rivals. Better to have an enemy to my face than one who f*%#s me from behind.

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September 30, 2009 9:36 AM   

The predictable result if you "... force[s] insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and prevent[s] them from dropping coverage when you become seriously ill," unless you also assure competition via a strong public option, will be increased premiums so the private insurers can maintain their profit margins.

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September 30, 2009 9:56 AM   

Not exactly news here.

Lincoln is basically useless. She doesn't even stand up for progressive policies that are popular in her own state.

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September 30, 2009 9:58 AM   

According to the Rasmussen polls (if you believe it) in the upper right corner in the Poll tracker section; it appears Blanche Lincoln is behind all three of her potential republican rivals. I guess she isn't aware than more than half of the Arkansas democrats and independents are in support of a public option.

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September 30, 2009 10:03 AM   

Who the hell runs the Democratic Party? You mean to tell me this scumbag gets money from us then runs around pulling this crap? Someone needs to play hardball with these douchebags and eject them from the party. What's the point of having them in your majority if they don't vote with you in times like these? Yeah yeah I know- blah blah sometimes they do blah blah their constituents blah blah red states. To hell with them.

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September 30, 2009 10:06 AM   

We've been voting the Republicans out the last 2 national elections (2006 & 2008) - because the majority of Americans want change. We no longer want a government of the corporation, by the corporation, and for the corporation.

We voted the Dems into power. We even voted out the most conservative southern Dems and thought we replaced them with moderates.

If we don't get the changes that we voted for from this crop of Dems, then what's next? Obama isn't leading. The Democrats in the House and the Senate aren't changing things. We're running out of time.....and the Repubs are winning via their stalling and just say NO to everything tactics. The Repubs are the minority.....how can the Dems let them get away with it.

Part of the answer is we need to remove people like Max Baucus - it's time to cut them off from Democratic Party support and time to vote them out of office.

But maybe the other answer is we need a viable 3rd political party - one that represents and works for the people 1st and not for corporations and their CEO's.

The changes consisting mainly of these large issues:
- Repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich and start balancing the budget
- Universal Health care or at least a compromise with a Public option
- End the needless religious wars in the middle east but not allowing the terrorists to re-establish training centers.
- Reform our trade policies so the US workers have a balanced playing field (we must stop exporting jobs and especially in mfg.)
- Reform the banking and financial system (stop the socialism of risk with the tax payer bail outs every 6 to 8 years). Bring back the Glass-Steagall Act and etc...
and etc.....
- Reduce our dependency on foreign oil
- Enact strong environmental legislation and reverse the Bush agenda

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September 30, 2009 10:42 AM   

The Democratic Party doesn't need Lincoln. Go away.

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September 30, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

I thought the republican party was the party of Lincoln.

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October 1, 2009 1:29 AM    in reply to rbe1

Touché.

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September 30, 2009 10:50 AM   

Bought and paid for ...may everybody she knows and loves fall ill and die for lack of care...its what she wishes for us after all.

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September 30, 2009 10:56 AM   

Beating Lincoln up for being a corporate owned blue dog is pointless. Hell, 1/3 of the Democratic Party are corporate owned blue dogs right now. So what does beating up Lincoln right now do? Nothing.

We'll just have to find a way around her.

The good news is, the Progressives are no longer afraid to fail on healthcare reform to appease these bastards. So the fight continues.

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September 30, 2009 11:27 AM   

In fact, failing on healthcare this year hurts the blue dogs, infinitely more than it does the Progressives. Because they and the Repblicans will shoulder most of the blame for the defeat. At least among the progressive base of the Democratic Party.

So its cool.

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September 30, 2009 11:38 AM   

fine, no public option? then put into place price controls and include the health insurance industry under anti-trust laws! i would suggest sen. lincoln go back and look at her poll numbers again; the majority of her constituents want the choice of a public option; and the rest of us will do all we can to make sure those citizens are the ones who come and vote in her next election!

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September 30, 2009 11:40 AM   

Raw numerical majorities are nice, but if a "Democrat" won't vote for Democratic principles we can get along as well without her/him.

Any true Democrats in Arkansas feel like running for the Senate? I'll send you a check.

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September 30, 2009 12:09 PM   

"which most Arkansans do not support".

You Lie !


p.s. here's her twitter page - blow it up !
http://twitter.com/blanchelincoln

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September 30, 2009 12:13 PM   

Earth to Senator Lincoln: CEOs aren't paid with cash, they're paid with STOCK OPTIONS--like UnitedHealth's Stephen Hemsley who gets $100+ million per year--you going to do something about that?

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September 30, 2009 12:53 PM    in reply to woundedduck

Her blather about executive pay is such a tone-deaf argument -- sure, executive pay generates outrage, but does she really think people will be happy paying spiraling premiums as long as they go to corporate profits and not executives?

Idiot.

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September 30, 2009 12:24 PM   

And the Democratic Party doesn't NEED Lincoln's seat if she is not with us.

If we can't get a unified 60 votes of Democrats, or a unified committee of Democrats on key issues, then we effectively have 59 Democratic Senators and so makes zero difference to me if she joins the ranks of the unemployed.

Would rather have a Democrat who votes like one, than one who votes like a GOPer on key issues, since it makes no difference between having 59 votes vs. having 59 seats.

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September 30, 2009 12:39 PM   

Contribute to her opponent, at least we will get someone who actually represents a party.

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September 30, 2009 12:42 PM   

'I have always depended on the kindness of insurance companies.'
-Blanche

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September 30, 2009 1:57 PM   

Arkansas. Kinda says it all, doesn't it ? Are we really sure Clinton was from there ? How the hell did he do it ?

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September 30, 2009 2:00 PM   

You know, this is getting interesting. Foreign affairs are being run from Tel Aviv, and domestic policy comes from Wall Street and the Health Care monopoly.

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September 30, 2009 2:08 PM   

"stabilize the cost of coverage for Arkansans who have health insurance"

How, exactly does she plan on accomplishing this? Wishing it so?

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September 30, 2009 4:35 PM   

Fuck you Blanche Lincoln, we are primarying you come November.

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September 30, 2009 6:58 PM   

Yeah, Blanche fuck you!!!!

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October 1, 2009 5:19 AM   

"Lincoln: We Can Accomplish Health Care Reform Without A Public Option"
Democrats: We Can Accomplish Health Care Reform Without A Lincoln Option".
Is there any doubt she'd change her position if Walmart supported the public option?
Some "Democrats" are unneeded. She's may be [in the sense she may be a Democrat] one.

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October 1, 2009 5:24 AM   

Follow up. Follow the money...http://rawstory.com/2009/09/democratic-opponents-of-public-option-faulted-for-health-industry-ties/

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October 1, 2009 8:22 AM   

This woman does not have a chance in hell of being re-elected. Not only has she got the Republicans against her -but now she has 90% of the Democratic Party grassroots callign for her defeat. if the Public Option fails Obama will be a one-term President.

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