The Virginia gubernatorial debate is going on (a live stream is available here) and moderator David Gregory kicked off the questions by asking Republican nominee Bob McDonnell about his single worst Achilles' heel: The thesis he wrote in grad school, in which the 34-year old McDonnell denounced working women.
McDonnell responded by citing his own personal family life: His wife has been a working woman and mother for his whole political career, and he encouraged all three of his daughters to pursue master's degrees. He especially cited his oldest daughter, Jeanine, who has served in the Army in Iraq.
"I would say that's the ultimate working woman," said McDonnell. "I supported her going into the military and being able to defend this nation, and I'm proud of her."
Deeds then responded: "I didn't write when I was 34 years old that working women are a detriment to the family. I didn't write when I was 34 years old that Roe v. Wade ought to be overturned. I didn't write when I was 34 years old that contraception decisions ought to be subjected to the government."
Gregory asked Deeds why he didn't raise this in 2005, when McDonnell narrowly defeated him for state Attorney General. Deeds continued with the point that McDonnell's whole record of staunch social conservatism was predicted by the thesis -- and said it was a mistake to not know about it. "The thesis puts in context his entire record," he said. "Now we didn't know about the thesis in 2005. I'll take responsibility, we didn't have that research done."
And Deeds accused McDonnell of willful dishonesty: "It contains a provision that says people don't want this kind of leadership, they're not ready for this kind of leadership, and you can't tell them what you're gonna do until you're elected."
McDonnell insisted again that he does not oppose working women. "I support equal pay for women," he said. "I support equal pay for any other character, other than merit."

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storm
September 17, 2009 11:52 AM
"It contains a provision that says people don't want this kind of leadership, they're not ready for this kind of leadership, and you can't tell them what you're gonna do until you're elected."
That, if true, is a whole lot worse than all the other stuff.
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Larry Geater
September 17, 2009 11:56 AM in reply to storm
That is why I was disappointed that everybody was getting up in arms about his stance on daycare and abortion. It is his stance on honesty that he sould be slamed for.
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storm
September 17, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to Larry Geater
I had completely missed that part of it before.
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Larry Geater
September 17, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to storm
It has been consistantly burried benath the fold.
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cole_dranx
September 17, 2009 12:00 PM in reply to storm
well put.
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matyra
September 17, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to storm
What kind of leadership are we talking about? If he's talking about women in leadership roles, agreed. But the statement's kind of vague in this write up.
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storm
September 17, 2009 12:15 PM in reply to matyra
"they're not ready for this kind of leadership, and you can't tell them what you're gonna do until you're elected"
If this really is what he has written, then what does it matter what kind of leadership he is talking about?
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matyra
September 17, 2009 12:34 PM in reply to storm
Because not having heard about it before, as written above, it is vague as hell. We're quoting someone paraphrasing. What kind of leadership is Deeds saying that McDonnell is talking about? Women in power? McDonnell commenting about Deed's leadership ability? The ability of the lead goose on the flight south to lead the V-formation? Like I said, it's vague.
If there is a statement or a link to what this is about, then it should have been provided. But as a stand-alone statement, it's really really unclear what the quote is referring to.
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Walter Mitty
September 17, 2009 12:24 PM in reply to storm
That is definitely in his thesis. It was the last of his 15 points I believe. I recall hearing about that and thought "Damn, this should be the big news here".
At least Deeds knows about it - it's a campaign ad waiting to happen, hell Deeds could base his whole campaign around that quote.
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matyra
September 17, 2009 1:07 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
His point 15, here on pg 67, reads pretty poorly for quoting purposes. He's basically advocating constant, non election year, advertising "educating" Americans so that come election time, they will be more effective. Kind of like the anti-renewable energy and anti-healthcare crap going on in NM now.
I tried looking further about the issue, but reading a thesis, especially one that uses words like "giftedness" and phrases like "Democrats seek to shepherd a nation of powerless incompetents" is really freaking hard to do.
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matyra
September 17, 2009 12:06 PM
So what's the outcome? Giving McDonnell the benefit of the doubt or taking him by his words? As a 35-yr-old grad student writing his dissertation, I have to say that when you write something, it goes through many many drafts, thoughts, re-renderings, ponderings. Unless you are dishonest, what gets in to the draft not only is what you think, but you've taken the time to research things to back up that thought. Every word is weighted.
That said, if his life has evolved differently and he has supported his wife's employ, then this could be a "I thought that then, and I think this now."
It's deeds and positions that determine worthiness. Let's see that plan of how McDonnell would help women achieve his hope of equal treatment and pay--and what he's done to that end since his thesis was written.
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matyra
September 17, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to matyra
Ok, after looking at his thesis and seeing that he's shrugged off criticism about it with this:
I guess it boils down to that he either was dishonest with his thesis then, or he's lying now.Reply | Flag Abuse
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Cal Gal
September 17, 2009 1:12 PM
Did he actually get a degree for this poorly written piece of crap? I don't care what he's saying, he's expressing himself piss-poorly. My high-school English teacher would have been all OVER this with a red pencil.
It amazes me how eager ReThuglicans are to vote for stupid people.
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GTFOOH
September 17, 2009 2:32 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Do they have a choice?
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madmatt
September 17, 2009 1:52 PM
Cal Gal,
Of course he got a degree its Regency U...they would of failed him for treating women as human beings.
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Redshift
September 17, 2009 2:24 PM
Which is what he always does when he's called on his extremism -- say he's a nice guy, so ignore what he's said and done about government. Sorry, Bob, you're running to be our governor, not our dad; what matters is what you plan to have government do, not what you personally do.
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