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The lumbering fight over health care reform continues on Capitol Hill, and remains the focus of intense media coverage. But that focus belies a rift emerging on the left between grassroots and establishment Democrats over where the process should go next.

The schism is exemplified by the formation of a new Democracy for America campaign, called America Can't Wait, to pressure Democratic leaders to stop courting Senate centrists and pass health care reform through the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process. In a letter to DFA members, America Can't Wait founder Howard Dean wrote "At least 218 House and 51 Senate Democrats have said they would vote for the final healthcare bill if it included the choice of a public option rather than vote against the bill and kill reform."

"Senate rules don't allow filibusters of certain bills that affect the budget," Dean went on. "That's right; the healthcare reform plan including the choice of a public option can be passed in a budget bill by a majority vote in the U.S. Senate."

But Senate leaders on the Hill urge caution.

They see the reconciliation process as a last resort--to be invoked only if a bipartisan effort fails--and warn that the technical demands of the process itself could cause substantive harm to reform legislation.

Martin Paone--a former Hill staffer, budget expert, and Chairman of the Board at the Timmons and Company lobbying firm--has been advising Democratic staff on how to navigate the twists and turns of the reconciliation process. He says "the best case is not to use reconciliation to get [health care reform] done if you can get the 60 votes to support a bill coming out of Finance next week. Otherwise it's going to be a difficult slog."

But that doesn't seem to be a warning the grassroots want to hear. In the same letter to DFA members, Dean quoted a different budget expert named Stan Collender who once wrote "contrary to what some have been saying, reconciliation has become such a standard part of the budget process that using it for health care would be neither surprising nor precedent-setting."

Collender's argument isn't just political. Reached today by phone, he said he wasn't aware that Dean had quoted him, but was glad to hear the news. He noted that the process' long, well-documented history will yield many examples of non-budgetary measures passing through reconciliation, because they have direct fiscal bearing on other provisions that are budget relevant.

Ultimately the Senate parliamentarian has a great deal of say over whether those measures should be allowed in the final legislation, and Collender says, "every parliamentarian looks at precedent all the time." Sufficed to say, Democrats will cite precisely these sorts of precedents if and when they turn to the reconciliation process.

But Paone notes, "other program reforms, of which there may be many, may not survive and as such the bill will not be as comprehensive as many would prefer.... None of this is insurmountable but it does illustrate Senator Conrad's point of why a bipartisan bill done outside of reconciliation is the more preferable route."

This is true--but it may not be enough to assuage grassroots liberals who believe Democrats can circumvent the parliamentarian if only they're willing to play hardball.

Which is all a long way of saying the rift is deep and technical and symbolic of the greater rift that's emerged between the grassroots and Democratic leaders over the handling of health care reform more broadly.

Late update Along the same lines of the DFA campaign, the advocacy group CREDO Action sent the following letter out to about 600,000 subscribers.

Tell Senator Reid: It's time to take bipartisanship out of the health care bill.

Dear Matt,

It's time for Harry Reid to step up to show leadership and pass the public option through the Senate.

A strong public option is overwhelmingly popular with the public, the House has the votes to pass a bill with a strong public option and President Obama says that he wants to sign a bill with a strong public option.

Yet in the Senate, some Democrats have been allowed to stall reform by fruitlessly trying to attract the votes of Republicans who want nothing more than to see any health care reform effort fail. It's clear that getting even a single Republican vote would require unacceptably weakening the bill. Bipartisanship is simply not worth it.

It is Senator Reid's job as Senate Majority Leader to corral his caucus and ensure progressive policies that can pass, do pass.

We have the votes to win on the public option. Unlike other types of bills in the Senate, the public option can be passed as a "reconciliation bill" that cannot be filibustered and only requires a simply majority to pass.

The American people elected a Democratic President and gave Democrats overwhelming majorities in both chambers of Congress. Now that Democrats are in control, they need to wield the power they've been given. The stakes are too high and the Republicans are too beholden to those who profit from the status quo.

Tell Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to end the delays and use his leadership position to get a bill with a public option through the Senate. By clicking here we will automatically add your name to the petition above.

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September 18, 2009 6:34 PM   

Please correct me if I am wrong:

Whatever bill passes out of the Senate will go to conference along with the House bill, which will likely have a public option.

Whatever bill comes out of the conference committee will go back to both chambers for a final vote, which will require a simple majority for passage.

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September 18, 2009 6:44 PM    in reply to oskieoskie

Congress Matters says:

If the differences are settled in conference, a conference report goes back to both houses for them to pass. The reports are not subject to amendment, and in the Senate, motions to proceed to consideration of conference reports are not debatable, and therefore not subject to filibuster, though the report itself can be. But because conference reports are also not amendable, any filibuster would have to be a straight-up talkathon, as opposed to the less obvious filibuster by endless amendment (which you saw in miniature this week as the Senate worked its way through the stimulus package). That's one reason you rarely see conference reports filibustered.

So I guess you do need 60 votes?

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September 18, 2009 6:49 PM    in reply to mcc

Reconciliation bills are special. The same statute that limits Senate debate to 20 hours for the Senate resolution applies to the conference report as well.

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September 18, 2009 6:48 PM    in reply to oskieoskie

Hey oskieoskie

Conference reports can be filibustered. It doesn't happen as much as filibusters of regular legislation. But it's perfectly within the rules.

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September 18, 2009 11:30 PM    in reply to oskieoskie

You are correct. That said, both houses of Congress have to pass the measure in the exact same format, down to the comma, period, dotted i and crossed t. If either the House or the Senate allows an amendment on Final Reading that has not been agreed to beforehand by the other chamber (which must also pass said amendment in tandem), the measure will fail.

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September 18, 2009 11:38 PM    in reply to oskieoskie

So this is another "please correct me if I'm wrong" issue, because I admit my grasp of the nuances of the arcane intricacies of Senate parliamentary procedures is weak:

I was under the impression that if, at minimum, the Dems can be coerced to simply vote for cloture (cutting off any filibuster attack) then the bill can be brought to the floor for a simple-majority vote (e.g., 50 senators plus VP Biden; also meaning a few of the weasley ConservaDem DINOs can vote "no" — only a few — and a bill still gets passsed).

Is this not correct? If so, then I feel this meme of a Two Horns Dilemma argument, that you have only the choice of a super-majority all the way or taking it to reconciliation, is just another delaying tactic red herring.

If not, and it has to be enacted through reconciliation, Lawrence O'Donnell (who was a staffer on the Senate Finance Committee late last century) has painted a few horror-show scenarios about the pitfalls of reconciliation: He mentioned that there were amendments or some other challenges that can be put forward by the conseratives — Rethugs or DINOs — that require 60 votes to override as well... . He further appeared to suggest that there is no limit (or weak limits) on the number of such challenges they can put forward, each time requiring 60 votes to override.

Whatever. It seems there may be no silver bullet on either side of that flipped coin, unless that filibuster-breaking vote in the first place actually does allow a simple majority floor vote to take place.

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September 18, 2009 6:41 PM   

The only thing that concerns me about reconciliation is, what if it fails? I keep imagining a situation where they pass a public-option-less bill through the normal route, pass the public option through reconciliation, and succeed in the first vote and fail in the second.

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September 18, 2009 6:51 PM    in reply to mcc

In one week the Dems will have 60 senators. They can pass any health reform bill they want. Once Obama stands tall on the public option, the Dem senators will fall into line. They won't dare defy their president on their party's defining issue. I believe Obama is tougher than thought and will twist arms when necessary. He is just very patient.

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September 18, 2009 11:59 PM    in reply to wbgonne

The only problem is that unlike the Republican minority, the democrats cannot count on all their votes to support the bill. There are too many like Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, and Lincoln who don't want a public option, and are trying to defeat it by saying that there's no support for it. In fact, what they are doing is expressing their dislike of the public option and using the claim of lack of support in the Senate as cover. It's the old Republican tactic of repeating something over and over in the quest to make it reality. The public wants it, any poll to the contrary is only reading the public's belief that the Senate may not have the votes to pass it, and this is based on the drip, drip, drip of the likes of Baucus, Conrad & Co.

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September 19, 2009 11:46 AM    in reply to acf_ma

I agree with your analysis of what has happened so far. I think, however, that the anti-public option crowd has just about exhausted itself and has definitely worn out its welcome with the American public writ large. Again, I believe that Obama's patience will bear fruit. All signs are that support for the public option is increasing. The ConservaDems are cowards (almost by definition) and, in the end, won't have the guts to defy Obama and their party.

I hope.

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September 19, 2009 5:55 PM    in reply to wbgonne

I think we listen too much to the posing and posturing by senators and forget that what they say is as much about pr as reality. If the conference produces a good bill that brings health-care access to all Americans, even sellouts like Lincoln and Lieberman will be hard put to vote against it. The attack ads in the next primary and election would write themselves. Getting a good bill is very possible, but only if the Dems really want one, which isn't clear at this point. Sometimes it seems like they'd prefer to be the minority party for another few generations.

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September 20, 2009 8:35 AM    in reply to DaveW

"Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, and Lincoln"

They, and the rest of the 'Dogs all know very well that their constituents, even Nelson's conservative Nebraskans, favor a public healthcare option by a large majority.

If nothing else comes of this disloyalty to their party and their voters, at least their constituents will know for certain that these supposed Democrats are really protecting corporate interests, not the public.

Hopefully, if they refuse to come around to the party line, Democrats with stronger loyalties to their voters will replace them.

I have never been one to recommend that Democrats become automatons or lemmings, taking the party line just because it is a party line, the way the Republicans did FOR the Cheney/Bush junta and TO the public.

But the public healthcare issue is clearly one of those historic social advances that defines our party's commitment to improving the lives of every American, not just the rich, and every Democrat who refuses to join the rest is not just disloyal to their party, they are disloyal to their constituents.

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September 21, 2009 10:31 AM    in reply to mcc

If that happens, we declare victory, win more seats in 2010 and introduce stand-alone public option legislation in the next Congress. If both fail, we lose Congress and man the barricades for a replay of the 1990s nightmare.

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September 18, 2009 6:54 PM   

That should cover it, except for one thing. Healthcare has as much to do with the budget as sugar price supports, or procuring destroyers.
Do this and the filibuster is dead forever. There won't be anything that can't be related to spending or taxing. As a conservative, I see this as a bad thing.

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September 18, 2009 8:27 PM    in reply to shooter242

Oh come now shooter it wasn't so bad when Regan, the GOP congress under Clinton, and the GOP under Bush played reconciliation games. Why does it suddenly bother you now?

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September 18, 2009 10:02 PM    in reply to kgb999

Because making legislation easier to pass, will result in more legislation. It will be a field day for special interests. Subsidies will be voted near and far.

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September 19, 2009 1:57 PM    in reply to shooter242

The Bush years were not exactly lacking in bad legislation.

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September 20, 2009 8:46 AM    in reply to AJM

And I recall something called "The Nuclear Option."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Now the same cry-baby Republican hypocrites who would have actually changed Senate rules to prevent dissent during judicial appointments are whining about Democrats using the existing rules as they were intended, to give security and comfort to millions of Americans.

Until we deal with some of our wayward 'Dogs, it may be necessary to use these extreme, existing measures to represent the public will.

They (Frist's Senate Republicans) were so desperate to pad the courts with corporate- protecting judges, under the guise of resisting abortion and gay marriage, they were planning to use their ill-won majority to change the rules to prevent minority party influence of any sort.

What Howard is recommending here isn't even BENDING the rules, let alone breaking them. It may be extraordinary procedure, but it is still accepted procedure.

These are extraordinary times that require extraordinary measures.

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September 20, 2009 2:52 PM    in reply to JEP07

Well darn. We should have said forget elections and filibustered Sotomayor. Next time we'll do it the Democrats's way, filibusters all the way.

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September 21, 2009 3:14 PM    in reply to shooter242

And be prepared to accept the political consequences...absolutely.

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September 18, 2009 8:45 PM    in reply to shooter242

If those are the best analogies you can come up with, then it sounds to me like it's perfectly fine. Farm subsidies and destroyer procurement are direct budget items. If it's not for those things, then what is it for???

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September 19, 2009 12:08 AM    in reply to shooter242

Shooter242 (BTW - nice Cheney reference!): A few points:

Health care costs consume 6% of our $14 trillion GDP this very moment. Allowing the current "status quo" growth in those costs guarantees that figure will double, to 12% of GDP, in eight years. If $840 billion today has so little to do with the budget, then why all the carping about the stimulus? And that it's going to cost us $1.68 trillion in eight more years? That's not budget worthy? Man, I want your portfolio.

You say: "There won't be anything that can't be related to spending or taxing..." if the Dems do what Republicans have done at the drop of hat over the past 30 years.

Really? If you're a modern day conservative, then what other issues are there other than spending or taxing? I mean, you have to put through bills to kill those things — drown the shrunken corpse of the federal government in that Norquistian bathtub, Right?

Oh. Right. I lost my mind for a moment. Of course.

It's the only way civil rights can be stripped away and also protect yourself from illegal aliens so you can ship jobs to their countries (we don't want them here when they're supposed to stay put and do our former jobs for a penny and hour!).

Apologies. I didn't have my priorities very straight there for a second.

Meanwhile, more people will die this week (and every week afterward) from lack of insurance than die from national drunk driving accidents and murders combined.

Yup. Maintaining the health of the filibuster is way more important than fixing that!

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September 19, 2009 10:06 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

Yes, life is hard and unfair. Moreover your faith in Government to go "presto changeo" and make it all better is touching. Especially in the face no evidence that government improves anything it takes over.
Has Tenncare or the Massachusetts saved any money? Of course not. It cost money and is threatening to bankrupt the states. The entire premise you present is wrong, and that is part and parcel of the visceral negative reaction you see.

Do you think there is billions in savings in Medicare? Fine, let's see it. There are plenty of places you can prove the value of doing something via Government Just saying I'm right and you're scum isn't the way to go. It just shows defensiveness of a bogus idea.

In fact the administration's record is that of cronyism, waste, and gross manipulation. AIG, Goldman, and the UAW, are the only entities coming out ahead so far.

So yes, it would wonderful if there were a new system to enroll millions of new people that would cost less, and not kill grandma. But none of us out here believe that's possible and don't want to be the sacrificial guinea pigs. Prove your premises and you'll get a more receptive audience, but until then, it ain't happening.

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September 19, 2009 10:44 AM    in reply to shooter242

Wrong. Medicare, SCHIPS, Social Security, Medicaid, Unemployment Compensation, Workman's Comp, 5 day work week, collective bargaining, minimum wage, homeland security, FEMA flood insurance, FDIC deposit insurance, Army Corps of Engineers for flood control, Police Protection, Fire Departments, Public Mail, Trash Pickup, Snow Removal, Public Parks and Recreation, Public Libraries. Forest Service. Water treatment facilities.

The list of things that government does for us, and does quite well thank you very much, and that people love, is endless.

To insinuate that government doesn't know how to do anything and does nothing well is simply bogus. And disingenuous at best.

Single Payer Medicare for all would be fantastic and everyone would love it.

The day my Mother qualified for Medicare, and was finally able to drop that bullshit private insurance she had, was the happiest day of her life.

And mine. Because then that's just one less thing for a working family to worry about. Like we don't already have enough.

Why folks can't get on board with making life better for everyone; for us ALL, is beyond me.

So yeah. You're just wrong. About everything.

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September 19, 2009 6:10 PM    in reply to shooter242

You parrot the "kill grandma" bullshit and then expect us to give you proof on anything? You first. On second thought, nevermind -- you'll just go on auto-repeat.

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September 20, 2009 5:15 PM    in reply to shooter242

I got this one.
Shooter, on the basis of the absolutely massive shitstorm wrought upon us under Bush/Cheney and their free market orthodoxy ALONE, with no additional justification necessary, WE get to give OUR ideas a shot and yes, maybe even fail at some of them. You guys had your chance on the field and got tackled in your own endzone so now WE get the ball and YOU get to watch or go home.

"Especially in the face no evidence that government improves anything it takes over."
The army under Washington was mostly a private affair(that's where the word 'private' comes from) with contract soldiers going home when, again, private financiers started getting cold feet in 1776. Thereafter the govt 'took over' the armed forces and have gone 16-1 since.
During frontier times, most schools were privately owned and financed with tuition charged. If you couldn't pay, your kid suffered. By the early 20th century the govt "took over" the administration of universal, mandatory education through the 6-8th grade and literacy zoomed upward.
Over 80% of veterans are "happy" to "very happy" with their healthcare through the VA.
Millions of students graduate from thousands of public universities every year and despite Bush/Cheney efforts STILL hosts thousands of students from abroad.

"Prove your premises and you'll get a more receptive audience, but until then, it ain't happening."
I don't recall Bush/Cheney having to 'prove' their premises prior to ill-advised tax cuts and war. Why do WE have to?

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September 20, 2009 8:57 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

"Health care costs consume 6% of our $14 trillion GDP"

Considering how much of that goes to insurance company shareholders and execs, a public option would quite immediately alleviate at least a portion of that burgeoning health care cost.

Too much healthcare money goes to people who do NO medical research, never change a catheter, and wouldn't touch a bed pan if their life depended on it. The bookkeepers and their wealthiest shareholders in the industry now make more than the doctors and nurses who ARE the healthcare.

If the public option is shelved, maybe nurses and doctors should form their own low-cost insurance company; "Healthcare R US!"

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September 19, 2009 11:25 AM    in reply to shooter242

Shooter, you'd be right except for one thing. Have you read the bill?

The mechanism they used to set up the mandates was changes to the tax code. Now, I'm not happy about that, but it does qualify it as related to taxing. So, no changes in precedent if reconciliation is used.

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September 19, 2009 5:59 PM    in reply to shooter242

The filibuster had its points before it was turned into an automatic veto by the minority. Now it's nothing but a millstone around the neck of democracy. So I hope you're right and the filibuster withers up and dies. There's nothing in the Constitution that justifies it, so I would think a conservative would be happy to see it go.

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September 21, 2009 10:29 AM    in reply to shooter242

The CBO says passing a health care reform bill will cut somewhere around a trillion dollars off of federal expenditures over the next ten years. Somehow, that sounds kind of relevant to to the budget to me. Only in Republican Fantasy Fantasyland Alternate Universe, where all government spending is the economic equivilant of thowing bricks of hundred dollar bills into a vast bonfire and only the Invisable Hand of the Unfettered and Unregulated Free Market can reduce costs, is it not related to the budget.

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September 18, 2009 6:56 PM   

They only need 50. Biden would provide the 51st.

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September 18, 2009 8:38 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

The VP only gets to vote to break a tie. Right now, there are not 100 Senators to make a 50/50 tie.

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September 18, 2009 7:06 PM   

This is all over in a month or two folks. I hope you are working hard for real change.

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September 18, 2009 8:13 PM    in reply to theone718

It won't be over. Healthcare is a huge issue but it's not the last issue that divides liberals from the Baucus-Lieberman Party.

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September 19, 2009 11:49 AM    in reply to bluebell

Energy/climate change will be a bloodbath. All the more reason that Obama MUST stand tall on health care; otherwise, the energy oligarchs will take him apart.

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September 18, 2009 7:23 PM   

Let's hope the DNC, the DLC and the WH realize that without an accessible meaningful public option, they will loose the base that made all their elections possible. I really don't think this is overstating the frustration and anger among the grassroots. It really isn't a threat, it is just a fact, as the base has been demoralized by telecom immunity, torture and the executive grasping to all the secrecy stuff. We need to see something huge from Obama and healthcare is it.

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September 18, 2009 7:55 PM    in reply to xargaw

Obama's acquiescence to Wall Street is the great demoralizer.

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September 18, 2009 8:46 PM    in reply to am4

Maybe it is just a strategic move? For now? I hope!

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September 19, 2009 10:15 AM    in reply to am4

In what way was it an aquiescence to Wall Street?

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September 19, 2009 11:52 AM    in reply to LBJs Brain

Yes, I think Obama is simply and wisely deferring Wall Street reform at least until health care is done. Maybe he'll even decide to wait for energy/climate change. Depends on the "climate." Yuk yuk.

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September 19, 2009 2:22 PM    in reply to xargaw

Boy I couldn't agree with you more. IMHO, the Obama people are in danger of seriously pissing off a very big chunk of their base. If the Dems don't get this job done with a strong public option, one that significantly lowers the obscene profits raked in by the insurance cartel, there will be hell to pay in the next election cycle. It isn't enough that the GOP are making complete asses out of themselves, the democrats have got to lead, period.

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September 19, 2009 7:05 PM    in reply to xargaw

A weak bill generally supporting the status quo would be a disaster for the country and for the Democratic party. Without the public option the bill would support the status quo.

If the President is presented with such a bill he should veto it and explain very carefully and thoroughly to the American people why he has done so. I fear that he will not do this.

I was an avid supporter of Obama during the campaign and am now a disillusioned and skeptical supporter of the President. I want to be wrong about my disappointments but if he signs a weak status quo bill I will work hard against him in 2012.

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September 18, 2009 8:07 PM   

As irritated as I get with the blue scum, I have to remember that the reason we have a majority in both houses is because we have a large tent with room for differing views and opinions. We can't expect all of them to see things as we do and we can't force them to. We are not repugnuts.

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September 19, 2009 6:06 PM    in reply to Andreams

We can expect, and should force, them to vote to allow a vote on crucial measures like healthcare reform. They can vote as they please on the floor, but if they vote to let the minority GOP to veto Democratic bills, they have no business calling themselves Democrats. Any Senate Dem who doesn't vote for cloture should lose his/her chairmanships and the rest of their privileges.

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September 18, 2009 10:40 PM   

Posted this on the first story about DFA's reconciliation push, and still don't have an answer: I'm all for reconciliation if it comes to that, but given its drawbacks wrt what can be passed and how long what's passed can remain law (not to mention the procedural aspects of reconciliation that are themselves subject to the 60-vote rule), I don't for the life of me understand why the bigger push isn't simply for a cloture vote. Remind Joe Lieberman (for instance) of his gloriously principled opposition to the filibuster when the GOP pushed through a draconian bankruptcy law; talk incessantly in the media and elsewhere about what a recent phenomenon the "must-have-60-votes" thing really is (basically since the GOP returned to the minority); have Judd Gregg's eminently reasonable, circa-2005 defense of a simple majority vote playing on an endless loop; note constantly that the 51 most-likely "yes" votes on real reform (w/public option) represent considerably more than 51% of the population; etc., etc. Relentlessly.

As a bonus aside, one simple mark of respect for Ted Kennedy might be to, at the very least, not block a clean vote on his last legislative effort -- a bill that would largely reflect the work of his HELP committee, in which he was actively involved, the culmination of his efforts in what he called the cause of his life. Honor Teddy: vote for cloture.

Except for Bernie Sanders, everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that the only alternatives are 60 votes for the bill itself or reconciliation. I really don't get it.

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September 18, 2009 10:48 PM   

Reconciliation is not the way to go. I can't believe Dean is still advocating this and people are slopping this up. We MAY end up with a public option, but no exchanges, community ratings, insurance reforms, nothing else. I don't know how plain it is to tell folks that this is VERY RISKY. If you want a 40-50% chance at healthcare reform, then by all means continue.

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September 18, 2009 11:33 PM    in reply to calchala

The Problem, calchala, is that the choice is between 40-50% change at reform, or 0%. The garbage out of the Senate right now is 0%

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September 18, 2009 11:52 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I disagree. There's a lot of good stuff in those bills, and what' ironic is that with the exception of the public option, Snowe wants to make the Baucus bill more like the House's. There's a reason why the WH wants Snowe on this. 10-15 Senate Dems have threatened to not vote on it. You could do three things on this. You can a.) call their bluff and ram it down anyways and pretty soon, we could end up looking like republicans with no moderates. b.) acquiese on their demands and pass a bill that will be better than the status quo, or c.) just pass no bill.

When republicans run in 2010 on arguments that democrats can't govern, because they couldn't pass the bill, don't come crying to me.

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September 19, 2009 11:08 AM    in reply to calchala

Wrong. Healthcare reform WITH a robust Public Option is THE signature issue of our generation. We have beaten our heads in and given billions of dollars over the last two election cycles to give the Democrats this much power. NOW is the time to get this done.

And if that means breaking some eggs to make this omelet, then so be it.

Ram it through with Reconciliation if we must. Fire the damn Senate Parliamentarian and replace his butt with someone that will make determinations in OUR favor if we have too.

The Republicans had NO problem with those tactics. Fighting fire WITH fire to get this done is more than fine. In fact, I insist.

If the Dems show THAT kind of backbone, they will be in power for the next 40 years. Because THAT is what they were elected to do. MAKE the healthcare system work, FOR THE PEOPLE.

NOT for the "for profit" PHARMA / Health Insurance Corporate Complex. They're going to get theirs, regardless.

What about US? Its time to think about and put US first.

Past Time!!

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September 19, 2009 11:53 AM    in reply to willia451

Amen.

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September 19, 2009 8:34 PM    in reply to willia451

Amazing. If it were that simple, I would be advocating it myself. Reconciliation is a very messy procedure. I'll ask you this. Can you guarantee the insurance reforms will be included in a reconciliation bill? The exchanges? Anything that actually makes the bill work?

Huh? Didn't think so. The Public option MAY pass through reconciliation, but you would absolutely gut the bill of any content.

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September 20, 2009 9:18 AM    in reply to calchala

Better to take baby steps than to fall backwards. ANY forward motion, in the face of gale-force corporate winds, constitutes a valid tack.

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September 19, 2009 12:38 AM   

"The American people elected a Democratic President and gave Democrats overwhelming majorities in both chambers of Congress. Now that Democrats are in control, they need to wield the power they've been given. The stakes are too high and the Republicans are too beholden to those who profit from the status quo."

This is the moot point. As patient as Obama may be, you could say it's just wasting time. After winning the election the Dem's might as well have just stood down and handed it to the Repugs.

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September 19, 2009 3:25 AM   

First of all the bipartisan effort has failed completely.

Second, Howard Dean and all the other grassroots who are putting pressure on the whore Democrats should be applauded for doing so. All they're really doing is putting the whores on notice that they aren't going to get away with passing a piece of crap and calling it reform. But the whores don't like to get called on the carpet so there is a lot of hand wringing and faux concern over how reconciliation can or should be used.

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September 19, 2009 11:13 AM    in reply to oleeb

You hit the nail squarely on the head. This would have been done months ago, if not for the corruption. But you know what? We're STILL going to get it done. Regardless.

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September 19, 2009 4:43 AM   

When Frist threatened the nuclear option he based that on the
right of the Senate , by simple majority,to adopt new rules at the start of a "session".

Presumably the definition of a "session" is the two yearI period following an election otherwise this would now be under consideration now.

I would not be deterred by the danger that this would remove a weaopon from a future democratic minority. If it happens to suit some future republican majority
leader he'd do what Frist threatened.Whichever party does it would be eliminating an anachronism. We don't require a 60% majority to elect a president. In fact , we don't require a majority at all!
majority leader

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September 19, 2009 10:46 AM   

The insurance company and for profit health people fear the public option most, because that will be the end of the gravy train and the money printing business. Anything short of a medicare-medicaid type public option will involve setting aside some portion of the total bill for the health industry to skim off the top. The issue is simple: will healthcare in this country be a fundamentally not for profit undertaking, or will the near one fifth of the economy it is be just another sector where corporate boards can award multi-million compensation packages to the well connected, and corporate interest can buy legislators at the government market of their choice? Dean is right to confront this issue head on. Compromise in this case with interests protecting turf and money are bound to produce an unsatisfactory approach. The mid point between the right position and something wrong will inevitably be unfair.

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September 19, 2009 11:42 AM   

People this is not only about the public option. It is about affordability. It's about not screwing the middle class. The Baucus bill is a total joke when it comes to affordability. When the famiy making $60K and struggling to pay the mortgage finds out their choice is between thousands of dollars in coerced purchase of lousy insurance and thousands of dollars in fines -- you think they won't hop on the teabagger express?

Plus doesn't he want to tax union health benefits, i.e., good insurance, that they won by giving up wage increases?

A party that no longer represents the middle class is not a party that deserves to remain a majority of anything.

Hey, and wasn't that Dean guy right on Iraq? Why didn't we nominate that guy when we had the chance!

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September 19, 2009 10:42 PM    in reply to bluebell

Why didn't we nominate that guy when we had the chance!

You had to go there...Well, if I had to blame anyone, it's Dick Gebhardt's fault (he was goin' nowhere fast, but he fucked us in Iowa).

That said, this whole drama has been about getting to 50 (+ Biden)for the public option via reconciliation--that way there's cover for the red state dems, but the only way to fulfill all the needs both of savings and coverage is through the public option which is, yes, a stalking horse for early medicare which is, of course, the way down the shining path to single payer, hasten it Jesus!

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September 19, 2009 12:28 PM   

I have a suggestion for TPM: how about compiling an exhaustive list of all the policy-specific reasons for health insurance companies to deny coverage, whether as blanket policy line-items, or as specific reasons associated with post policy-issue health problems, identifying the insurer for each case. Place a link to the table of such policy line-items and update it continuously.

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September 19, 2009 1:31 PM   

The buck stops with Obama, yet no one seems to want to hold him responsible.
Baucas could NEVER have produced what he did without knowing that Obama tacitly approved. Second, no point in telling Reid anything. We need to tell Obama. He is the one we need to read the riot act to. Then once HE is clear and firm (for once) everything will fall into place. So far, all he has been is ambiguous. Trying to be all things to all people.

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September 21, 2009 10:40 AM    in reply to Ramsgate

You've obviously mistaken the way the Republican Congresses rolled over and showed their bellies to Bush for the natural order of things.

Historically, Democratic presidents have always had trouble getting Democratic Congresses to do what they want. Partly, that's just Democrats being Democrats, but they seem to have this grandiose notion that an obscure document known as the Constitution makes them members of an independent and co-equal branch of government.

But, hey, if it makes you feel better to believe that Obama is the Dictator of America so you won't have to deal with the pesky complexities of government in a democracy when it comes time to assign blame, go for it.

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September 19, 2009 3:22 PM   

I know this is off topic, but everyone needs to check out this post. Did Michael Scheuer release classified information during this interview with Bill O'Reilly?

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2933

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September 19, 2009 5:36 PM   

If they/you/dems can't get the price of medical costs down, if they can't give reasonably priced insurance to all, why bother?

Medicare for all/single payer is the only game in town that will do these things--yet, they're off the table?

WTF?

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September 19, 2009 5:44 PM   

I may have already posted this idea elsewhere, but here goes.
There are enough Democrats in each House to pass this measure by a simple majority, it is getting to the point where all that is required is that simple majority. To do that we must:
1) Take the Finance bill as is as the basic Democratic Senatorial plan.
2) Increase the poverty-level break-off, ensure recissions and denial of coverage are maintained. Don't worry about the public option in the SENATE bill.
3) Pass this bill through the Senate and send it to be reconciled with the House bill (which WILL have public option).
4) Return the reconciled bill, now including the public option, to both Houses. This will require Pelosi's reps on the reconciliation committee to stand firm and the Senate reps to in favor of the public option, both very easy to accomplish.
5) Vote
6) President Obama signs the bill into law.
Have I missed anything?

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September 21, 2009 10:21 AM    in reply to des

Yep. There's a good chance that if the Senate doesn't vote out a bill with a public option, they'll get a procedureal bug up their ass and vote against a conference report that adds it.

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September 19, 2009 9:25 PM   

Then Democrats need to do what's right, and close that rift. Because liberals aren't going to budge.

Their jobs are on the line.

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September 20, 2009 12:06 PM   

Oh, dear, Obama says the Baucus bill provides affordable healthcare. He's fibbing.....

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