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Post-Speech Poll Has Some Good News For Obama
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The new CNN snap poll from after President Obama's speech provides some preliminary good news -- though the self-selectiveness of the speech-watchers does make for something of a caveat.
Going into the speech, 53% of the speech-watchers favored Obama's proposals. Coming out of it, that support has now risen to 67%. More than seven in ten say Obama clearly stated his goals -- which was of course a key goal of the speech itself. And three out of four think it's somewhat or very likely that Obama will pass most of his proposals through Congress.
However, the speech audience polled was 45% Democratic, only 18% Republican, and the remainder independent. And while Democrats certainly do out-number Republicans, it's not by that much -- meaning that the people who chose to tune in were naturally more sympathetic to Obama to start with than the population as a whole.
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musgrove
September 9, 2009 11:07 PM
I could care less the opinion of 30 percent of the nation, those people wouldn't of watched the speech in the first place.
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USgreentech
September 9, 2009 11:34 PM
The Public Option needs to be passed. Odds are good. Single payer needs to be passed, this week. Congressman Judy Biggert needs to be dealth with.
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psyclone
September 9, 2009 11:44 PM
That's OK, since frankly those are the people he needs to reach anyway - that is, those who are willing to listen. The shouters, the teabaggers, the birthers - well, I think we already know that they don't give a shit about anything except being nice little Leninists. Fuck 'em. This was a talk between and among grownups.
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mcc
September 10, 2009 12:40 AM
I have a random question and I have no idea which of the like 96 threads to post this in, so I'm just gonna post here.
I noticed this bit in the speech:
This sounds like a reference to the Medicare Part D "donut hole". Is that what this was supposed to be? Does this constitute a promise to address Medicare Part D, or just some kind of a "once we've made medicare more efficient, we'll be able to afford to close the donut hole" comment? Do either the house health care bills or Obama's proposed "plan" contain a specific plan to address the donut hole problem?
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Frog Leg
September 10, 2009 8:01 AM in reply to mcc
This is a reference to the Medicare D donut hole. However, the idea is to deal with this later with the savings, not as part of any current reform effort.
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Cornelius
September 10, 2009 1:08 AM
Post-Speech Poll has good news .... So the fuck what. Speeches with no commitment, no follow through, are meaningless. And tonight we still have no idea what's up with the PO. What is this shit it's gonna be part of the "Exchange" 4 f'ing years down the road. WTF, where did that come from. I can't live on speeches anymore. This Pres is a major disappointment. Weak and ineffective.
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mcc
September 10, 2009 1:21 AM in reply to Cornelius
The "insurance exchange" is described in some detail in Obama's 2006 book "The Audacity of Hope", was a cornerstone of every health care plan Obama announced while campaigning for President, and is present in every version of the Congressional health care plan. The exchange was actually also present in substantially similar form in the proposed health care plans of Democratic primary candidates Hillary Clinton, in the form of the "Health Choices Menu" from her plan, and John Edwards, in the form of the "regional Health Care Markets" in his plan.
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Stroszek
September 10, 2009 8:42 AM in reply to mcc
Why educate yourself about the basic concepts behind health care reform proposals when you can yell about them instead?
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truthspeaker
September 10, 2009 10:49 AM in reply to Stroszek
Right on.
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Stroszek
September 10, 2009 8:40 AM in reply to Cornelius
I love it when discontented know-it-alls reveal that they know next to nothing about health policy. Yes sisterkevin, the "exchange" came out of nowhere... if by "nowhere" you mean "the core of every major reform proposal since the Democratic primaries."
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lousgirl84
September 10, 2009 10:33 AM in reply to Cornelius
Spoken like a an idiot or a troll. Which one are you?
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truthspeaker
September 10, 2009 10:48 AM in reply to Cornelius
I guess you need a course in civics. The president is not the ruler of a dictatorship. You must be a 'birther'. Inviting concensus is the mature way to function.
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kgb999
September 10, 2009 1:16 AM
I don't see how this conclusion is drawn. 37% of the viewers were independent. That's only 8 points less than the democratic viewership. Isn't that pretty much the population at large? Republicans are still below 30% of the electorate I believe. So really that's only about +5% for the independents and +5% for the democrats and it's an exact mirror of the demographics of the nation (-10% is about where you'd expect viewership from an embittered opposition to be).
I think you are reading these recent polls all wrong. I can't figure out if you are over-counting the republicans based on decibels or ignoring that independents have taken over from republicans as the second-largest political group, but something is off.
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Seji
September 10, 2009 8:43 AM
I would like to see your poll CNN. I highly doubt that 67% of the American public approved of this "new and improved" form of health care reform. In fact, I'll call you out on the rug and do what the esteemed Congressman from South Carolina did - "You lie".
Mr. Obama did not give any details about his healthcare bill. Mr. Obama gave us the same tired speech we've heard time and time again. Mr. Obama did not offer any bipartisan solutions to a very left inspired health care reform plan. Mr. Obama failed.
Many members of Congress were holding up written plans which Mr. Obama has refused to look at and he also refuses to work with Republicans - it's his way or the highway and this speech seemed like it came from a thug.
Mr. Obama stated that he was sick of the scare tactics being used by opponents to his health care reform bill. Then, Mr. Obama turned right around and used those same scare tactics at the end of his speech. He told us there would be less jobs, we'd lose businesses, people would get sick and people would die if we didn't pass his health care reform bill.
So I ask you, who did you poll to get this ridiculous figure of 67% approval? Make that clear instead of spreading about incorrect information and claiming it to be true.
Thanks.
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Ignotus
September 10, 2009 9:25 AM in reply to Seji
After the speech, 67% of the self-selecting audience for the speech favored Mr. Obama's plan, versus 55% before. The poll says nothing about support in the American public in general. I realize that this requires careful reading to grasp, but it can't be that difficult if I can understand it.
As for scare tactics--Republicans and Democrats alike have been saying that in a world market where many countries provide public, universal health care, American businesses are at a disadvantage because of exorbitant private health care expenses. Both parties agree that the status quo spells disaster. They disagree on what to do.
Obviously your mind is already made up, but at least try to get the facts straight.
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truthspeaker
September 10, 2009 10:53 AM in reply to Ignotus
I believe that we need to provide you with rush limbaugh's telephone number so you can join your fellow nimcompoops in propagating nonsense. Be factual, or go post elsewhere.
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lousgirl84
September 10, 2009 10:35 AM in reply to Seji
Bitter much? Troll!!!!
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Strykur
September 10, 2009 8:56 AM
That esteemed colleague from South Carolina lied. Section 246 of HB 3200 explicitly denies public option coverage payments to illegal aliens.
Joe Wilson is a liar.
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lousgirl84
September 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Where's the asshole bluebell and indiepro? No sign of the trolls????
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Nancy Irving
September 10, 2009 3:28 PM
JMM, in the post linking here, said support "jumped 14%." He should have said, by 14 percentage POINTS. The increase ("jump") in support is much greater. (Fifty-three to 67 is an increase of more than 26%.)
We expect newspaper reporters not to know the difference between a percent increase and a percentage-point increase. But TPM should get it right.
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