
With the White House stepping in to take control of the health care debate out of the hands of bipartisan health care negotiators, Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, seemingly realizes it's time to put up or shut up.
In a Friday afternoon conference call, Baucus told the so-called Gang of Six that he'd be releasing a plan very soon, according to Politico--perhaps as early as tomorrow.
The White House is reportedly working on a bill of its own, amid negotiations with the gang of six's most moderate Republican, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME). And though the administration's plans to introduce it aren't final, Baucus seems to have gotten the message and could unveil his committee's bill sooner than expected. If that happens, it'll be interesting to see if the draft lands with a splash or a thud.
Indie Pro
September 4, 2009 6:29 PM
to the dustbin with this fool.
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Donald from Hawaii
September 4, 2009 6:44 PM
Amazing, isn't it, how the Obama administration has allowed the fate of health care reform to rest in the hands of six people from Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming, Maine, Iowa and New Mexico, which together have at least twice as many ruminants living within their boundaries as people, and whose combined human population represents less than 1.5% of the country.
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fbacon2
September 4, 2009 7:48 PM in reply to Donald from Hawaii
I keep hearing this idea of letting such and such a thing happen in Congress. The six people you mention are all members of the Finance Committee, over which Max Baucus has more say than Obama, who were all appointed by Senate leadership and elected from their respective states. That's how the Senate works. Any health care bill had to go through Senate Finance. So what exactly did Obama "let" happen?
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FreeRider
September 4, 2009 8:27 PM in reply to fbacon2
Now, there you go again, using facts.
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Jyrinx
September 4, 2009 9:11 PM in reply to fbacon2
Right, because the Senate Finance Committee only has six members.
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Oh, wait. That's bullshit. Baucus is intentionally freezing out almost the whole committee.
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Stroszek
September 4, 2009 9:35 PM in reply to Jyrinx
And that's Obama's fault... how?
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AJM
September 4, 2009 11:24 PM in reply to fbacon2
Mindless invocation of seniority to select who gets chairmanships. Gingrich rid the Republicans of this incubus and was much more effective for Republican priorities as a result.
Obama by contrast isn't even using the bully pulpit until Wednesday.
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Stroszek
September 5, 2009 8:40 AM in reply to AJM
You're right, Obama should emulate President Gingrich.
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Kevin Sutton
September 5, 2009 3:34 AM in reply to fbacon2
I think this misses the point. The committee makeup isn't in the hands of the White House, but those in control of the finance committee weren't trustworthy, and the WH should not have given them the latitude they did. It's not about process power, it's political power.
Consider; If Baucus does indeed finally release a bill now that Obama is writing his own; that would likely indicate strongly that the White House would have forced Baucus' hand in the matter much sooner had they applied such pressure. Hence, the WH can effect what the finance committee does even without authority over it.
Hell, the very fact that the White House is trying to write a bill shows that they themselves are repudiating their own strategy to let congress sweat the details. Hence, the WH now knows they should have been doing more.
Unless Baucus is still not releasing a bill, or unless the White House isn't writing a bill, I don't see why anyone would dispute either of those conclusions.
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Stroszek
September 5, 2009 8:41 AM in reply to Kevin Sutton
MSNBC is reporting that the White House isn't writing its own bill.
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Bruce Webb
September 5, 2009 12:17 PM in reply to fbacon2
There is no evidence that the Gang of Six (originally a Gang of Seven) was "appointed by Senate Leadership". They are an ad-hoc group hand selected by Baucus which includes three members who are not even on the Health Sub-Committee. Moreover the Chairman of that Sub-Committee, Rockefeller was excluded.
The Press keeps repeating the lie that this is all just part of Regular Order. It isn't. Under Regular Order the HELP Committee was tasked with drafting the parts of the Bill dealing with the Health Insurance Exchange and the Public Option, Finance was supposed to write the tax portion of the bill. Instead Baucus unilaterally announced that the Kennedy-Dodd HELP bill was DOA and that he and Conrad would huddle with four Republican (Grassley, Hatch, Enzi, and Snowe) plus one centrist Democrat (Bingaman) and hammer out a bill that in Baucus and Baucus's own judgement could get 60+ votes in the Senate.
Reid did not have to allow this unilateral decision to bypass the Finance Health Sub-Committee and block the entire center to progressive wing of Finance from discussion, he certainly didn't have to endorse an unofficial rump committee that before Hatch dropped out actually had a Republican majority. And Obama could have made it clear that he would not accept a bill drafted by the Minority as the starting point for discussions.
The idea that everyone's hands were tied is just bogus. Reid could invoke Senate Rule 14 and simply bypass Finance altogether. Obama and Reid let this happen. Why is unclear but the basic fact is not.
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greysells2
September 6, 2009 12:03 PM in reply to fbacon2
I believe there are 5 proposed versions of the Health Reform Bill. This is confusing to the average person and leaves lots of room for mischief for lobbyists, special health care interests and radical right wing Republicans to lie, misrepresent, delay, obscure, and attack.The Democrats have control of the Presidency and both houses of Congress. They let things get out of control before they were able to get out a coherent message to the public all in a misguided sense of bipartisanship. Good manners did them in.
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cmpnwtr
September 4, 2009 6:46 PM
Max Baucus, the man who wanted to be player at all costs. Has now been kicked to the curb and is irrelevant.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 9:39 PM in reply to cmpnwtr
Your keyboard to God's monitor.
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xargaw
September 4, 2009 11:35 PM
At the risk of speaking prematurely, Baucus will give us nothing, a lousy bill, worse than no bill at all. I can't imagine how the WH could have handled health care any worse. Now Obama is huddling with Snowe. A Dem President, a majority in the House and Senate, and Obama is negotiating with one GOP Senator to craft healthcare. How pathetic is that?
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Economides
September 5, 2009 1:54 AM
"At the risk of speaking prematurely..."
If only more people would risk speaking maturely.
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thepeoplechoose
September 5, 2009 3:21 AM
You know for sure that if Baucus and the senate finance guys release this tomorrow over the three day weekend it must be a real piece of garbage.
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agio
September 5, 2009 10:02 AM
No matter where you lay it, a turd is still a turd.
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Steve LaBonne
September 5, 2009 11:42 AM in reply to agio
He already released a plan last November. It was a decent plan:
http://finance.senate.gov/healthreform2009/finalwhitepaper.pdf
How about you just re-release THAT plan, Max?
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wbgonne
September 5, 2009 8:03 PM
Obama has no choice but to insist upon a public option. It will be a catastrophic miscalculation if he concludes that Progressive won't abandon him and the Democrats if he abandons a public option. They will. Progressives have been pushed to the break point. Obama is far better off forcing the hand of the Blue Dogs. Will they really stab their own president in the back and wreck their own party? The answer could only be yes if the Blue Dogs are so in the tank for the health care industrial complex that they simply don't care. In which case they should be in prison, not in Congress. And investigations should be forthcoming.
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willia451
September 6, 2009 10:31 AM in reply to wbgonne
I agree with you. Its been clear to me for a few months now, that the Democratic Party is on the verge of a schism. Liberals and Progressives simply will not support individual health insurance mandates without a viable public option included; which is already a compromise on our part from what is really needed (single payer).
If an attempt is made to force the issue, I predict the worst.
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wbgonne
September 6, 2009 3:05 PM in reply to willia451
The Republicans nearly destroy the country, get pummeled at the poll, yet it is the Democrats who are imploding. Ironic, to say the least.
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greysells2
September 6, 2009 11:55 AM
"The Gang of Six" now knows that they will not be able to finesse a defeat of health reform without considerable splash back in the future. So they are scared. Sen Snow is working on her own trigger plan with the White House. Sen. Baccus will release his very own plan soon. Sen. Grassley says "We are still working" although no one knows who is still working with whom and what they are working on. Maybee he's just looking for some "cover". Push comes to shove, no one wants to be on the wrong side of this issue.
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xargaw
September 6, 2009 3:07 PM
This whole thing has been so bungled, it is hard to imagine, except it isn't when you look how the DEMs have caved in the past and the history of the pathetic Harry Reid. There was absolutely no leadership from the WH and so all these self interested players did their own thing at the expense of Obama's campaign promise. The only real force we are left with is Nancy Pelosi and the Progressive Caucus championing a public option. If the WH can break them, they will. The WH should forget the GOP, go after the Blue Dogs and embrace the Progressive Caucus. The Progressives want to deliver a bill that would be very popular with the public, would cement Democrats and the WH in the polls and bolster 2010 election refults. If the WH goes in the opposite direction, the DEMs are toast and the people are too.
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