As you can imagine, conservative pundits have not been taking kindly to President Obama's decision to scrap the Bush administration's planned missile defense sites in Eastern Europe.
National Review is turning into a hub of criticism. In its official editorial, the magazine says that any possible decrease in the relevant threat from Iran would have happened because of this program itself -- and they favorably quote the wisdom of Don Rumsfeld:
If Iran has in fact slowed down its work in this area -- a claim that national-security experts have questioned -- it may have been in response to American determination to construct a NATO-approved system in Eastern Europe. Today's announcement may persuade Tehran to reconsider and look for ways to exploit a new vulnerability. As Donald Rumsfeld once warned, weakness is provocative.
John Bolton also spoke to National Review, and as you an imagine he's not very happy. "This is just pre-emptive capitulation, although like everything else, the rhetoric is that we're doing the opposite," said Bolton. He also said that intelligence showing a low potential threat from Iran is "inadequate." And he criticized Sec. of Defense Robert Gates, who is of course a holdover from the Bush administration: "Gates was a problem in the Bush administration on missile defense. He was always weak on this."
National Review's Mona Charen offered this description of Obama's foreign policy: "Coddle Your Enemies; Betray Your Friends."
Mitt Romney used National Review's Corner blog as a platform to air his statement. Key quote:
Iran is not cooperating with the IAEA. It is rushing headlong towards nuclear capability -- it may already have enough enriched uranium to build a bomb. And it may well have secured access to missile technology from other nations. North Korea is, of course, much further along. And Pakistan, a state threatened from within by jihadists, has extensive nuclear capabilities. In such an environment, it is alarming and dangerous for the president to walk away from our missile-defense commitments.
Over at the Weekly Standard, Michael Goldfarb said this was "based purely on ideology," and that administration was promoting "smears of missile defense." He also attacked Obama for having always opposed missile defense -- and ridiculed Obama as "an Illinois state senator":
What did an Illinois state senator know about proven or unproven missile defense systems? Nothing -- but it was totally conventional left-wing politics to be against Star Wars type systems. He may have dodged the issue during the presidential campaign, but no one had any doubt where this was headed. No Republicans thought that those installations would survive Obama's gutting of the Pentagon's procurement programs. Republicans should not give up hope though. Unlike most other Democratic initiatives, this one is not irreversible. We will have missile defense someday and there is nothing the Democrats can do to stop it. They can only delay it. We will have to hope they do not delay past the moment when we most need it.
From Jennifer Rubin at Commentary:
It will be interesting to see if any in the president's party leap to his defense. This embarrassing display of weakness at the expense of allies who have stuck by us, and supplied troops to aid in America's war efforts when their Western European neighbors did not, may be a bridge too far even for most of them.
Max Boot, also at Commentary, concedes that the missile defense sites themselves were not actually important -- but says this represents a display of weakness to Russia:
The Obama administration's decision to scrap the missile-defense sites planned for Poland and the Czech Republic is bad news. Not so much because the sites are vital to the defense of America or our allies. The administration is undoubtedly right when it says that the immediate threat posed by Iranian missiles is more short-range and that it will be a while before Iran has longer-range missiles capable of hitting Europe. Thus it makes sense to concentrate for the moment on building shorter-range missile defenses. And even longer-range sites don't necessarily have to be located in Eastern Europe for maximum effectiveness.
All that is true. It is also irrelevant. For the issue of the missile-defense sites had long ago taken on a life of its own. They had occasioned endless bluster and threats from Putin and his gang in the Kremlin who believed, or pretended to believe, that this small number of interceptors was somehow a threat to Russia. How a purely defensive system could threaten another country remains to be understood. The Russians apparently think they have a divine right to threaten Europe with nuclear annihilation and anything that interferes with this is "destabilizing." Actually the missile-defense sites posed no threat to Russia's vast missile arsenal, and Putin undoubtedly knew this.

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mans_best_friend
September 17, 2009 4:49 PM
Who cares about these flubs? I want to know what Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin think. Enquiring minds want to know.
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TheRealFish
September 17, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Hey! There's plenty of reason to care!! After all, if they're frakking freaking... then we know it was a totally correct move, Right?
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East Coast Aussie
September 18, 2009 12:39 AM in reply to TheRealFish
Right on. Obama is clearly doing the right thing.
And like anyone gives a hoot what that Goldfarb idiot thinks either. He was an abysmal McCain spokesman who dodged questions and spread lies.
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johnmccsf
September 17, 2009 4:53 PM
The neocons!
I'd rather have the Joint Chiefs of Staff on my side
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tiowally
September 17, 2009 4:54 PM
The wisdom of Don Rumsfeld? No oxymoron there.
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fbacon2
September 17, 2009 5:42 PM in reply to tiowally
I don't know. I'd take the advice of General Romney if I were Obama.
Has anyone looked at the stock market whenever Romney makes a statement?
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heraldsquare
September 17, 2009 4:58 PM
"How a purely defensive system could threaten another country remains to be understood."
I believe the fact that there was an anti-ballistic missile treaty between the US and the USSR for thirty years is evidence enough that the threat to one country from another's country's defensive measures has long been understood and appreciated. Apprently, Max Boot (1) is a child who (2) did not receive an education in the history of his country.
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Matt Jones
September 17, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to heraldsquare
My favorite part is that Boot is claiming the system wouldn't be effective against the Russians at the SAME TIME that Bolton claims that's what it was for. Somebody needs to get these idiots all on the same page.
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baba2nde
September 17, 2009 6:02 PM in reply to Matt Jones
Pundit, definition: a learned person, expert, or authority.
A pundit should herald 2 obvious benefits to the decision: 1) Saving money (which we do not have), and 2) Improved relations with Russia (which is still a superpower, by the way).
Your point is well taken, Matt. These are no pundits, just shrills.
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fbacon2
September 17, 2009 5:45 PM in reply to heraldsquare
Obviously you are unaware of Ronald Reagan's legacy in winning the Cold War while quoting George Lucas. Any moment now Berlin will divide again.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 17, 2009 5:10 PM
This just in: angry cranks angry.
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johnmccsf
September 17, 2009 5:13 PM
It is indeed refreshing to read ledes like this from the New York Times
It's been a LONG time coming
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/world/europe/18europe.html
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CT Voter
September 17, 2009 5:17 PM
Thanks for airing the words of John "I couldn't get confirmed on my merits to Bush had to sneak me in through the backdoor" Bolton. He's obviously a credible source on anything related to foreign affairs. And as a former member of the Bush "Those WMDS are hiding somewhere" Administration, he's particularly credible on any discussion involving missiles, or missile defense.
What did Rich "Starbursts" Lowery have to say?
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kaylaspop
September 17, 2009 11:28 PM in reply to CT Voter
Bolton. I don't wish him bad things but if he quit breathing none of us would ever know.
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jerryfatheart
September 17, 2009 5:17 PM
I swear, sometimes I think Obama's just screwing with them, like when your big brother would take your own hand and smack you with it. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
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trblmkr
September 17, 2009 5:19 PM
Wrong Dumsfeld? If he says 'weakness is provocative', let's be weak, let's be weak!
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Walter Mitty
September 17, 2009 5:20 PM
And let's not pretend this isn't part of a larger deal with Russia here.
And this isn't just Obama, but SecDef Gates. President Obama is running a right of center Foreign Policy, he's just not running the neo-con foreign policy. The Neo-cons are bought and paid for by the M-I-C.
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calchala
September 17, 2009 5:35 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
I don't know if it's right of center. That characterization seems a bit off. Perhaps, it's because the right really moved to the right during the Bush administration, but there's lots of pragmatically progressive things that the Obama administration has done foreign policy wise.
Supported a return for a leftist dictator in Honduras (other dem presidents would have been reamed)
Eased Cuban embargo (a little bit, but name another President who's gone BACKWARDS not forward)
Withdrawing troops from Iraq
Opposing Israel on Settlements (though, I'll give you GHW Bush did the same thing)
Fighting Terrorism in a way that takes into account Poverty, Mideast peace, etc.
I guess it's all perception in the way it's viewed upon. Is realism a right of center foreign policy? I honestly don't know.
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Winston Smith
September 17, 2009 5:22 PM
"although like everything else, the rhetoric is that we're doing the opposite," said Bolton.
Hmmm...Bolt-on must be pretty familiar with that strategy.
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impik
September 17, 2009 5:23 PM
Oh, i missed Bolton. Such a good soul.
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Matt Jones
September 17, 2009 5:24 PM
Every one of these jokers should have to disclose how much stock they hold in the defense contractors - I have a feeling we'd see a pattern if they did.
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johnmccsf
September 17, 2009 5:26 PM
Why die for Danzig?
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amber
September 17, 2009 5:26 PM
Just look where their great advice got the U.S. during the Bush years.
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Karl the Marxist
September 17, 2009 5:28 PM
"Pajamas media" is just so apropos.
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Maricaibo
September 17, 2009 5:30 PM
Seriously, who really cares what these dinosaurs think. They're gone, they're over and they have no power- which partly gopes to explain their anger.
Mr. President, no matter WHAT you say or do these idiots will gripe. So joke 'em if they can't fake a tuck.
I for one am getting seriously tired of seeing these scowling faces plastered all over my computer screen again.
Dump 'em!
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TheRealFish
September 17, 2009 6:55 PM in reply to Maricaibo
I totally agree. Dump 'em. We know what they're going to say before the words tickle their tongues.
In fact, I have to wonder why they get any press here for that exact reason. Obama says Up, they say Down. He says Yes they say No. He says Prrrr they say Grrrr.
It's like an old (old) Monty Python skit about the Ministry of Contrarians (or whatever) where a person goes to have somebody argue with every single statement you make.
It's like, of course they're against anything this administration or any Dems (except DINOs) say. There's no news to be had here, right?
So why waste electronic or print space on anything they have to say?
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CityGuy
September 17, 2009 5:35 PM
Neocons=Assclowns. And militaristic ones at that.
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PorkBelly
September 17, 2009 5:43 PM
Shorter version:
Oh, sh-t! Europe's going to be gone in a few days. Visit the Eiffel Tower McDonalds' while you still can!
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GeorgeTheShrubber
September 17, 2009 5:55 PM
...at the expense of allies who have stuck by us, and supplied troops to aid in America's war efforts...
These supplied troops... is she referring to the conscripted Costa Rican soccer team, or the Trinidad + Tobago mechanized tank battalions who helped the US shoulder both the massive economic & troop supply burden that was the epic defensive invasion of Iraq (ie: Operation Iranian Wet Dream)? Or is she thanking Blackwater perhaps?
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here
September 17, 2009 5:59 PM in reply to GeorgeTheShrubber
You forgot about Poland!
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here
September 17, 2009 5:57 PM
I like the last guy's statement the best:
So these installations should be built not because they are useful or beneficial to anyone, but because it's turned into a prick waving contest with a life of its own? Gee, we are powerless against the titanic forces of fate and history!
Hey I miss the cold war too, but c'mon. We would be just as annoyed if Russia put ABM installations in Mexico to "protect their allies in Latin America".
Most of these people just seem to build Russia up into another evil empire to crusade against.
We shouldn't try to appease Russia, to an extent they are flexing their muscle to show that they are still a world power; they should receive some push back. But we could at least be doing things that are useful. Perhaps supporting self-defense treaties of the former Soviet states to deter Russian interference, making Ukraine and eastern Europe less dependent on Russian energy supplies, building relations between east and west europe?
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MyMy
September 17, 2009 5:59 PM
The 'credibility' of the neocons on foreign and military issues is a pure media creation: none has the experience or the intelligence to craft any policies other than ones that bring profit to the arms dealers and the military-industrial complex. But the mainstream media will report endlessly on what they say and virtually nothing about what Obama actually has to say, just as we know far too much about what Glenn Beck is salivating about and almost nothing about what our cerebral and bright president has to say...
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johnmccsf
September 17, 2009 6:00 PM
Not surprising but to the point
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/09/17/one_and_a_half_moments_of_sanity
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Matt Jones
September 17, 2009 6:07 PM
Good to see that Team B hasn't given up yet. Anybody unfamiliar with what Rummy and co. were up to in the 70s should take a look at that page - they were so far out there at the time that Bush the Elder (as CIA director) thought they were out of control.
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tomanjeri
September 17, 2009 6:14 PM
Ha Ha. I love it when neocons, who got everything wrong the past dozen years start telling the adults what they're doing wrong. A good rule of thumb on foreign policy is if John Bolton says it's wrong, then it's likely 110% right.
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mdeatherage
September 17, 2009 8:46 PM in reply to tomanjeri
It is nice to see that being completely wrong about everything in the entire world (at the cost of thousands of other peoples' lives) hasn't slowed them down one tiny bit.
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Matt Jones
September 17, 2009 11:43 PM in reply to mdeatherage
Thousands? Ha - don't insult them. It's hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of dead on their hands. Not to mention the millions more displaced from their homes. They're certainly on the top 10 "doing evil while claiming to do good" list of all time.
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we r all husseins
September 17, 2009 6:15 PM
Exactly. They're dissatified that the Cold War ended without spilling one drop of "commie" blood.
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ru4862
September 17, 2009 6:28 PM
Who gives rats-ass what those war mongering, necon profiters think about the president's missile defense decision?
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Joe Markowitz
September 17, 2009 6:29 PM
It's interesting that none of these critics says that these missiles would actually work. And Max Boot even seems to admit that they would not work, but thinks we should build them anyway just for show. What a joke.
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we r all husseins
September 17, 2009 6:35 PM
Look at what I found here at TPM:
All these draft dodging, service evading chicken hawks are getting into a lather because President Obama won't spend billions of dollars to protect America from a nonexistent threat.
Full story here:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/iaea_denies_report_it_is_sure_iran_seeking_atom_bo.php?ref=fpa
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Tec619
September 17, 2009 6:41 PM
I didn't see one comment by a conserv-ass with military service. Wait! John "I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost." Bolton served in the Maryland National Guard. (Quote from Bolton's entry in is Yale 25th reunion book. You see, his thinking was in line with the other neocons: Only sucker fuckers 1) a serve in the military or 2) don't manipulate the system to avoid combat.
Well, Mitt Romney served too: In France for the Mormon church. Wasn't Vietnam a French colony? Hmm. Seems we coulda used him over there. But converting those dastardly pseudo-catholic, secular, Frogs was much more important work that stooping the aethiest commies from tipping over another domino.
Another firebreathing, neocon poltroon who neglected to serve. If only they had. The U.S. would have one the war and rule the world. Sigh.
Instead we had to depend on my shipmates John Kerry, and Robert Kerry and those "draftees." The ones Dubya suggested caused us to loose in Indochina. Sigh.
F--K Bolton, et al!!
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thibaud
September 17, 2009 6:45 PM
Once again Young Barack's being taken to school.
No chance that Putin's band of thieves will put any pressure on their business partners in Iran. Doing so would hit them in the most sensitive spot: their personal accounts, into which flow a goodly portion of any state-supported deal, whether for materiel or technology or civilian equipment.
Obama expected the House of Saud to lead the arabs in reciprocating the concessions he's pushed on Israel. The saudis laughed at him.
Obama expected Ahmadinejad to make serious concessions in return for his dropping any pressure on Iran's nuclear program when he assumes the UNSC presidency. Ahmadinejad is laughing at him.
Obama expects PutinMobutu and his fellow thugs to forgo many millions of Iranian quid for his quo of abandoning missile defense. The Kremlin's ringing with laughter now.
Get ready for an Israeli strike on Iran within the next six months, another mideast war, and oil >$200/barrel. Nice work.
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runfastandwin
September 17, 2009 7:27 PM in reply to thibaud
And when your prediction is wrong, will you go live in the alley with the other Village Idiots?
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worthy9
September 17, 2009 8:11 PM in reply to thibaud
Saying that Obama is "being taken to school" would mean that the same people who "knew" where the WMDs were in Iraq and "knew" that providing weapons and funding to the Taliban, Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein was in our national security interests actually know what they're talking about and can impart knowledge upon him.
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VLaszlo
September 17, 2009 6:50 PM
So how long before Obama caves. 24-48 hours?
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thibaud
September 17, 2009 6:58 PM in reply to VLaszlo
Already did. The Russians despise him, as they despise all weaklings. His bowing and scraping before the House o Saud didn't earn him any respect in Riyadh, either.
Steep learning curve for the young'un.
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psyclone
September 17, 2009 7:18 PM in reply to thibaud
Wow, a year ago the Russians despised our strength. Now they despise our weakness! Man, the Russians sure be despisin'!
Alternatively, you could be full of shit. Naw.....
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thibaud
September 17, 2009 9:15 PM in reply to psyclone
"Wow, a year ago the Russians despised our strength. Now they despise our weakness! Man, the Russians sure be despisin'!"
Dear naive one: when you learn a bit about Russia--not the fairy tales from your freshman lit class but the reality of a gangster-run criminalized post-Soviet state-- you'll realize that men who've stolen and continue to steal tens of billions of dollars from their own people, who've assassinated 17 journalists in the last decade, who've allowed their nation's public health and education systems to slide into an african-style third-world shambles-- are indeed full of contempt for any kind of weakness.
Do try to educate yourself. Big world out there.
"too many stories on every last right-wing fart and burp. in some ways this site sometimes more seems to be about right wing talking points than what the left is doing"
Outrage => more hits / ad $$$.
Intelligent, fact-based commentary => negative cashflow
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Overreach THIS!
September 18, 2009 11:11 PM in reply to thibaud
Super-arrogant one:
Missile provocation was masturbatory, nostalgic, insanity. Period.
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twirling fartknocker
September 17, 2009 6:59 PM
too many stories on every last right-wing fart and burp. in some ways this site sometimes more seems to be about right wing talking points than what the left is doing
check the front page if you doubt me
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psyclone
September 17, 2009 7:22 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
No kidding. Good grief, we can't turn around and spit without hitting a front-page article about the latest bilge from Rush Limbaugh, Michael Steele, or any other non-office-holding rightwinger who has a stupid idea in their head. Or Michelle Bachmann.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 17, 2009 8:36 PM in reply to psyclone
Yeah, but I'd rather find out what the loons are up to here than have to dig it out of the WaPo. Easier on my blood pressure.
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EdA
September 17, 2009 7:08 PM
Given the evident hostility of Iran towards Israel, I have never heard an explanation from W or the neo-cons as to why Iran would rather send missiles to attack Prague or Warsaw instead.
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patrickesnyder
September 17, 2009 7:12 PM
Hallelujah! Posturing and provocation are out and common sense is in! The missile defense shield doesn't work. Never has. It's a pure welfare program for scientists and engineers at Lawrence Livermore and elsewhere. I've got zero problem with funding research and development, but this star wars fantasy, first whispered into Reagan's ear by Edward Teller, has been a boondoggle and money-sink from the beginning. Then the swaggering, brainless Bush administration had the brilliant idea of fielding something that never worked in order to flaunt their unilateralism. Pull the plug, baby!
The adults are running policy now. The neo-cons and assorted other hawks are reduced to their proper role of carping from the sidelines and, of course, predicting doooooooooom.
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AnswerFrog
September 17, 2009 7:13 PM
Wait, but isn't missle defense extremely expensive???
I thought these good GOP folks were suddenly all now deficit hawks???
How much will we save in the deficit by canceling this Big Government Missile Defense Plan?
Where is the very non-partisan CBO when we need them??
Maybe John McCain can include this in his Total Spending Freeze???
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runfastandwin
September 17, 2009 7:25 PM
Dear Losers:
You guys have been proven wrong about almost every major foreign policy decision in the last 39 years. How you still rate any attention at all is beyond me. You are truly the Village Idiots.
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patrickesnyder
September 17, 2009 9:15 PM in reply to runfastandwin
Thank you for your constructive and thoughtful contribution.
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Juble
September 17, 2009 7:56 PM
Any bets ?how long would it take the Prez to reverse course on his change of policy to get Repukes to shut-up about his change of policy.
Just sayin folks.Thus far that's been Obama's memo,wimpy.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 17, 2009 8:38 PM in reply to Juble
Awwwww. Brand new concern troll is concerned.
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Maineblackbear
September 17, 2009 9:27 PM
Folks-- this is BRILLIANT MOVE-- the Russians now have to support sanctions against Iran (to forestall Isreali strike) OR OBAMA SIMPLY STARTS INSTALLING SHIELD AGAIN.. his decision today can be reversed in about, say, 15 seconds, if Russian cooperation not forthcoming.
Virtually all comments above assume this is the end of the debate. Nope--Obama needs to convince Putin that he matters-- thebesrt way he can do that is to p-rove he can limit Isreali bellicosity.
How come no one here cannot connect the recent visit by Netanyahu to Moscow--come on folks, connect the dots-- Obama gives to Russia, Isreal pulls back, Russia supports sanctions on Iran (or missile shield goes back) and WW3 forestalled... come on--this is absolutely awesome!!!! Mbb
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Overreach THIS!
September 17, 2009 9:44 PM
These missiles were a ridiculous, embarrassing, unprovoked, and highly incendiary replay of the Cold War which we already won 18 years ago. It gave these juveniles comfort to engage in these masturbatory, ruinous policies, because they miss hating Russia.
Now that the government is in the hands of adults, it's time to pick up their war toys and bring them in from the playground.
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AnswerFrog
September 17, 2009 10:42 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
This is it in a nutshell: "masturbatory, ruinous policies, because they miss hating Russia"
Spending billions of US taxayer money just for spite and to prove we can still bully ol' Russia is all this is about. Come on, we don't really care about "protecting Europe from Iran". LOL
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markg8
September 18, 2009 12:34 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
And then we beat them into plowshares on John Bolton's skull.
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Leftflank
September 17, 2009 11:49 PM
I forgot the title & meaning of this story but all the right-wing crap is the same. Pat answer # 9 oughtta do, now move-on to next thing to hate, get totally wrong, stand against & create fear over.
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Agathena
September 18, 2009 3:42 AM
Rumsfeld is right. He was weak and provocative. He was a very weak Secretary of Defense, failed to defend the US from a terrorist attack and then attacked a small weak country that was no threat. His weakness was very provocative and I still hate him for it.
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Agathena
September 18, 2009 3:43 AM
Rumsfeld is right. He was weak and provocative. He was a very weak Secretary of Defense, failed to defend the US from a terrorist attack and then attacked a small weak country that was no threat. His weakness was very provocative and I still hate him for it.
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