Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) is perhaps the most liberal member of the Senate Finance Committee when it comes to health care reform, and today, he went on the record in opposition to the proposal offered by chairman Max Baucus.
"There is no way in present form I will vote for it," Rockefeller told reporters on a conference call. "Therefore, I will not vote for it unless it changes during the amendment process by vast amounts."
Rockefeller has a number of objections to the proposal including, but not limited, to the fact that it lacks a public option.
The math on the Senate Finance Committee (13 Democrats, 10 Republicans) is such that Rockefeller could vote no from the left, and all Republicans--including Olympia Snowe--could vote no from the right, and the bill could still pass. So this may not be an idle threat. However, numerous aides have told me that moving the process forward is the top priority for Democratic leaders at this point, and that it's extremely unlikely that Democratic opposition will stall the bill on the committee, so any Democratic opposition would likely be limited to Rockefeller. Nonetheless, this is an interesting dynamic to keep an eye on.

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trblmkr
September 15, 2009 4:03 PM
It's gettin' raucous in the Baucus Caucus(down to one person).
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wbgonne
September 15, 2009 4:04 PM
Go, Rocky!
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Campesino
September 15, 2009 4:12 PM
It's funny, but I can't find anything anywhere on this site about the ACORN controversy. What's up with that?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9ANCH580
WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, a community organization under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases.
The 83-7 vote would deny housing and community grant funding to ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
The action came as the group is suffering from bad publicity after a duo of conservative activists posing as a prostitute and her pimp released hidden-camera videos in which ACORN employees in Baltimore gave advice on house-buying and how to account on tax forms for the woman's income. Two other videos, aired frequently on media outlets such as the Fox News Channel, depict similar situations in ACORN offices in Brooklyn and Washington, D.C.
The Senate's move would mean that ACORN would not be able to win HUD grants for programs such as counseling low-income people on how to get mortgages and for fair housing education and outreach.
Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., said that ACORN has received $53 million in taxpayer funds since 1994 and that the group was eligible for a wider set of funding in the pending legislation, which funds housing and transportation programs.
Just last week, the Census Bureau severed its ties with ACORN, saying it does not want the group's help in outreach efforts on the decennial count
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CT Voter
September 15, 2009 4:17 PM in reply to Campesino
It's funny. I can't figure out why I can't find anything on this site about Fannie Farmer's recipe for fudge. What's up with that?
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Kevin Sutton
September 15, 2009 4:21 PM in reply to Campesino
Even funnier; you actually can find it in the morning roundup: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/obama-privately-calls-kanye-west-a-jackass-abc-apologizes-for-publishing-it.php
What's up with that?
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FreeRider
September 15, 2009 4:26 PM in reply to Campesino
My dog had a two-bag poop on his walk today. I can't find anything about that on TPM either.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 15, 2009 4:36 PM
Laugh AWAY, libruls! You're probably all agents OF ACORN, TOO! Just you wait until we SHOW you the secret photos we got OF their secret underground headquarters from whence, WHILE wearing his Mao jacket and PETTING a Persian cat, Obama gives orders to his obsequious MINIONS to further his scheme for global domination. (The penalty FOR failure is death!)
Except of course that Obama is not himself actually an evil genius but, rather, an affirmative action lackey of subnormal intelligence who merely pretends to be the head of this nefarious organization but, in fact, only reads the orders of his secret mysterious handlers from a hidden teleprompter.
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markg8
September 15, 2009 4:38 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Well I'm glad we cleared that up.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 15, 2009 4:51 PM in reply to markg8
Thanks. I thought the capitalization of random words was an especially nice touch.
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admiralmpj
September 15, 2009 4:54 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Waitaminut, I thought James Bond dropped the president down a Industrial Chimney at the beginning of For Your Eyes Only.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 15, 2009 5:02 PM in reply to admiralmpj
Bah! YOu probably thought he killed him at the end of "Diamonds are Forever," too, didn't you?
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admiralmpj
September 15, 2009 5:11 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Hey, we all saw that rig explode. (And that's like the ending I remember the least).
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CT Voter
September 15, 2009 5:21 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Why Persian cats?
THaT's what I wAnT to KNOW.
Along with the fudge recipe, of course.
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synchronicity
September 15, 2009 4:45 PM
I wish Senator Rockefeller was Chair of the Finance Committee! I hope Baucus gets removed. He is bound to be counterproductive on every issue.
No Public Option/No mandate! Triggers are for guns, and are a complete scam and a joke when it comes to legislation.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 15, 2009 4:59 PM
Goodness, are all these cheers being directed to that same Sen. Rockefeller who, last summer, was at least as reviled as Baucus is today due to the former's advocacy of what was then the most importantest issue ever in the history of America to all right-thinking progressives across the nation, the inclusion of telecom immunity in the FISA revision bill? Bought and sold by industry, I believe it was said. In cahoots with Republicans and a scheming, corrupt threat to all we hold dear. Maybe I'm just imagining all that.
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bluebell
September 15, 2009 6:05 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Thank you, yes indeed, that same Rockefeller. They take turns being liberal once a year or so always confident that enough of their fellow Dems will vote the status quo. We'll see it on healthcare. The faux progressives will pretend to support a few quasi liberal features and then they will be, BIG SIGH, SO SORRY, that they DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES but please reelect them anyway so they can pretend to try but, alas, fail again next time.
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midnight rambler
September 15, 2009 6:55 PM in reply to bluebell
Exhibit A: Ron Wyden.
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Mimi katz
September 15, 2009 5:00 PM
What about Schumer and Kerry?
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ttarleton
September 15, 2009 5:01 PM
JEEZIS H. CHRISTOS I WANT THAT GODDAMN MAX BLOCKUS TO GET SO FUCKING FAR AWAY FROM THIS PROCESS THAT HE CAN'T FUCK IT UP ANYMORE ALREADY!!!!!!!
There, I feel a little better now.
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ceeusbeeus
September 15, 2009 5:02 PM
I thought Sherrod Brown was also on Finance, and I can't see him voting for Baucascare in its present form, either.
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Libertine
September 16, 2009 1:20 AM in reply to ceeusbeeus
No, Brown isn't on the Finance Committee. But Schumer and John Kerry are...and I think they are both pro-public option. So there could be 2 more potential votes.
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Mateo123
September 15, 2009 5:50 PM
No public option = No Mandate.
Seriously. I want a public option as much as the next guy and I want universal coverage as much as the next guy, too. But, I can't get universal coverage without a public option. There's no way you can tell a guy making $60,000 with three kids and a wife to go shell out $15,000 for health insurance because the law requires him to get health insurance. No way.
In general, I am not a fan of individual mandates, but I am especially an opponent of such mandates without a fairly priced public option.
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Indie Pro
September 15, 2009 6:18 PM in reply to Mateo123
an intersting compromise was brought up by Miles Mogulescu:
No good public option, then:
1. Regulate Insurance rates
2. Put a trigger on implementing individual mandates until insurance premiums are affordable
3. Give Medicare the power to negotiate lower drug prices
4. Ensue tht Dennis Kucinich's ammendment allowing individual states to experiment with a single payer system stays in the final legislation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/admit-it--a-robust-public_b_287702.html
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Maritza
September 15, 2009 9:22 PM
Wyden thinks the bill sucks too and so does Kerry. Reid is so worried that he will be having a special caucus meeting on Thursday to go over the Baucus bill with the Senate Democrats. It's time the Democrats just do the bill themselves and just twist Voinovich's arm at the end to vote for it to get 60 votes.
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