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Rockefeller's Public Option Amendment Fails; Schumer's Public Option Up Next


Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

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After debating all morning and well into the afternoon, the Senate Finance Committee voted against an amendment, written by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) that would have added a public option to the panel's health care reform bill.

The final vote was 8-15 with 5 Democrats--Sens. Kent Conrad (D-ND), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Tom Carper (D-DE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), and Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT)--voting with all Republicans to kill the proposal.

Next up, Chuck Schumer's more modest public option proposal.

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September 29, 2009 3:01 PM   

Schumer shouldn't even bother. The vote will be 8-15 again. Of course Rockefeller and Schumer are just grandstanding. Both are bought-and-paid-for to other industries. Rockefeller will water down and climate bill and Schumer will destroy and financial regulation bill.

It's all theater.

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September 29, 2009 3:16 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

Unlikely to be 15-8. Bill Nelson, not to be confused with Ben Nelson, has said nice things about the PO. He's moving towards the Schumer ones rather than HELP or the Tri-Com ones.

The big question will be how the rest go. Conrad is of course ties to his own Co-Op bullshit. So together, he and Blanche likely can kill it to force an 11-12 result. Baucus would vote in favor of it if it was 11-11 going to his vote. But Conrad & Blanche will likely save him from that possibility.

I'd love to see Blanche primaried, but I suspect there's a risk she'll jump ship to the GOP. I'd say primary her if she doesn't vote for Cloture... frankly any Dem who doesn't vote for cloture. If they won't vote for cloture, we really should have no fear of them jumping parties to the GOP.

John

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September 29, 2009 3:27 PM    in reply to tosh

If they won't vote for cloture, we really should have no fear of them jumping parties to the GOP.

I totally agree with that. I don't think there's any risk that any of them will jump ship, because bad as they are, they'll all look like the looney left to today's new, improved Republican Party. In the case of (Ben) Nelson, Lincoln, and maybe Conrad, however, I think there's a really good chance anyone but them would lose to a real Republican. Thing is, if they won't vote for cloture, I'm really not having a problem with that.

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September 29, 2009 3:45 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Nor do I. Pandering and posturing on a bill is one thing, but the procedural vote is something else. If they can't back the party on cloture, I have no problem with Baucus or Conrad freeing up some committee chairs.

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September 29, 2009 3:02 PM   

We have the "primary them" list. Let's pull the "trigger" on them.

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September 29, 2009 3:05 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I say here, here; I will contribute to any primary challenger to all of them.

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September 29, 2009 3:06 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I guess you missed the article in the NY Times last week stating that Obama, Well Rahm, are quietly pressuring all primary challengers to step down, or not enter any race against a sitting Dem.

Gotta love the way Rahm treats the people who put his ass back in Washington.

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September 29, 2009 3:07 PM    in reply to rbeats

Link? Thanks.

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September 29, 2009 3:14 PM    in reply to Dorn76

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September 29, 2009 3:09 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I keep seeing these threats, is there even a tiny reason to believe anyone is going to follow through on them? Other than Lincoln these people aren't going to be up for reelection for years, and I have serious doubts how much leverage the blogosphere has over Arkansas primary voters.

I seem to remember a couple years ago when Rockefeller was the point person on telecom immunity was and these sorts of threats were being thrown around left and right. Now he's the progressive left's best friend.

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September 29, 2009 3:18 PM    in reply to mcc

Guess why the Democratic Party has been having trouble raising money from its 'complacent' base?

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September 29, 2009 3:02 PM   

Democrats - hah! Wholly owned subsidiaries of the insurance / private hospital lobby more like it.

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September 29, 2009 3:05 PM   

It's real simple. The corporate whore Democrats who supported the insurance industry instead of the people on this vote need primary challenges. I dont' care if they vote for Schumer's version or even if they end up voting for a public option in the end. They have made their true loyalties known and they should be justly rewarded by being thrown out of office. Only when this is done will the Democrats in Washington DC understand that the people will no longer put up with this bullshit. Once Republican Party is more than enough thank you. We don't need half the Democratic Party being closet Republicans.

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September 29, 2009 3:05 PM   

Doh. So what was the health insurance money allocation amongst these Senators again?

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September 29, 2009 3:05 PM   

Is there any reason to believe that the five listed there would flip on a softer public option, such as Schumer's or the "level playing field" public option?

Have any of the public option proponents indicated they'll vote against a bill without a public option when the bill goes to a full committee vote?

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September 29, 2009 3:20 PM    in reply to mcc

Guess why the Democratic Party has been having trouble raising money from its 'complacent' base?

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September 29, 2009 3:08 PM   

Wheeee!

Just in time, cause the terrorists have the plane.

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September 29, 2009 3:08 PM   

Why don't we just start shooting politicians again? Obviously they want us dead as quickly as possible we should return the favor.

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September 29, 2009 3:09 PM   

I hope the democraps enjoy their majority while it last. There is NO WAY in hell I'll support them in 2010.
Sell out forsale!

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September 29, 2009 3:09 PM   

If there is no primary challenger available, the people in the relevant states who support public option should vote against the incumbents.

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September 29, 2009 3:30 PM    in reply to AJM

Looking at the data from ProgressivePunch.org these folks will be no great loss: Sen. Carper is from a strongly Democratic state but votes with the progressives some 12.88 points less frequently than ProgressivePunch belives he could -- he votes with the progressive some 70.45% of the time in his life times score. Kent Conrad does better than that -- he comes from a lean Republican State and votes with the Progressives 75.09 % of the time -- slightly better than expected for a Democrat elected from such a state. Bill Nelson from the swing state of Florida votes with progressives 79.39 % of the time. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas whose state leans Republican votes 4.62 less often in the Progressive direction than would be expected and votes with the progressives only 68.71% of the time. Baucus takes the cake -- he votes with the Progressives only 64.72% of the time.

And you have to realize that in most of these cases their constituents WANT THE PUBLIC OPTION and don't want a mandate without it.

There is a fair chance that they are buying themselves a world of political pain.

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September 29, 2009 3:14 PM   

And where was our beloved leader during this? Out twisting arms I suppose for the Chicago Olympics. Fuck the majority of the people in this country, what's important is making the rich richer. I'm sure these traitors will vote for the passage of a law mandating that everybody must buy health insurance. What a fucking robbery.

The majority of have 'taxation without representation'.

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September 29, 2009 3:20 PM    in reply to T Groan

T Groan, I raised the same exact question this morning on the Daily Kos and I was treated like a protestor at tea party rally. Scary!!!

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September 29, 2009 3:22 PM    in reply to ru4862

The Daily Kos should be renamed the 'Daily Democrat'. It's not a forum for progressives.

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September 29, 2009 3:43 PM    in reply to T Groan

Daily Kos isn't progressive enough? Really? The place hasn't exactly been an Obama love-fest for the last few months.

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September 29, 2009 3:17 PM   

You'll never primary out a Senator, there is just too much money there and if they lose the election it will be to a Republican AND that bought-and-paid-for Democratic Senator will just go work for the health insurance industry for gobs of money.

Quite the system we have ourselves here. Maybe it's time to join the teabagger movement.

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September 29, 2009 3:22 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

You dis-elect a disappointing Senator to encourage the rest of them -- currently they believe they need only fear the phony stage-managed tea bagger mobs.

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September 29, 2009 3:21 PM   

The Finance committee was never going to pass any of this. The real battle is in the House and then in conference.

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September 29, 2009 3:23 PM    in reply to runfastandwin

You nailed it. But Rocketfeller and Schumer should commended by all Americans for doing the right thing.

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September 29, 2009 3:23 PM    in reply to runfastandwin

The 'real battle' would be much easier or at least stand a better chance if our gifted orator had a spine and decided he works for the American people. Honestly can you imagine this weak man getting Medicare passed as Johnson did? He's pathetic and a coward, definitely not a leader.

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September 29, 2009 3:33 PM    in reply to T Groan

What exactly is it that you think he should be doing that he's not doing? No non-specific verbs like "fight" or "twist-arms" or other cop outs like that. Tell us exactly what you think he should be doing that he's not.

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September 29, 2009 3:37 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

How about taking a public stand and rallying the American people behind a plan that would benefit their interests instead of the interests of Big Pharma and the insurance companies. This wuss could ask the American people to get behind single payer or the public option and then to email, write, cajole, threaten, and phone their congressional representatives.

The majority of the American people have decided they want single payer or a public plan. What they don't have is a leader that represents their interests.

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September 29, 2009 3:50 PM    in reply to T Groan

See the 2008 campaign, and the months of town halls, public events, and speeches to Congress for said rallying of the American people.

I guess it should've been obvious to everyone that Obama should just ask and cajole for a single-payer system. After all, with a Senate like this, it should've been a snap.

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September 29, 2009 3:51 PM    in reply to fbacon2

Yep and then see what he did once elected. You're not the first one to be fooled by a politician. The pity is there are so many of you.

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September 29, 2009 4:02 PM    in reply to T Groan

You're not the first to feign wisdom in your cynicism either. I think the point that NCSteve made was that you had no specific advice beyond using verbs like "twist arms" and "cajole," to which you replied with more of the same.

It's a pity we can't match passion with civic awareness or target rage at the appropriate sources.

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September 29, 2009 4:14 PM    in reply to fbacon2

It's called being part of the 'reality based community'. Honestly until people start thinking outside of the duopoly of dumbocrats and rethuglicans (republicrats?) there isn't much hope.

Cynicism about politics and politicians isn't warranted? Just keep believing I suppose. Santa Claus is coming !

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September 29, 2009 4:34 PM    in reply to T Groan

Ralph Nader may show up before Santa. Didn't he like to talk about "duopolies?"

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September 29, 2009 3:29 PM   

Are there any true Progressive Democrats in the Senate? And, if so why aren't they on the Finance Committee?

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September 29, 2009 3:39 PM   

can someone help me with something? if, for some reason the committee cannot pass a bill with a public option, that doesn't mean the public option is dead, does it? it can be added in later during the conference committee stage, right?

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September 29, 2009 3:46 PM    in reply to politicalnovice

Correct.

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September 29, 2009 3:48 PM    in reply to willia451

thanks. that's what i thought, but i wasn't sure. although i am disappointed this first vote, i know that we are far from finished in the process.

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September 29, 2009 3:40 PM   

Dear Senate Democrats and President Obama:

I know you may not read this blog -- I don't think you actually read anything other than what is presented to you by industry lobbyists -- but I thought I would let you know that I'm done contributing to your campaigns.

The public option would have allowed an affordable alternative to the for-profit insurers, many of which offer policies designed not to care for patients in a time of need, but to pad the pockets of insurance company executives and their staffs. The public option, which would have allowed folks in small businesses and folks that own small businesses to have an affordable method of health insurance, is necessary.

Time and again, you have caved to the reckless right. From FISA protections for the telecommunications companies to funding the Iraq war, from voting for No Child Left Behind to dropping the public option in health insurance reform, you've sided with our nation's far right. This unfortunate pattern leads me to conclude that supporting individual candidates on the local level is a much better use of my time and resources.

A special notice to Harry Reid: I read that you plan to resist including a public option for the merged HELP bill and Finance Committee bill. This is foolish because real people -- those of us outside of the beltway, who do our jobs, pay our bills, manage our finances and live in mainstream America -- will be harmed without the public option. This will drive up costs for employers and consumers alike. At a minimum, the merged bill should include a public option.

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September 29, 2009 3:45 PM   

History is watching.

Fucking Voting WITH Republicans. DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to vomit. The SHAME!!!!

These five Senators have one more chance to redeem themselves with the upcoming Schumer Amendment.

If they don't, their political careers as Democrats will be over.

The financial and intellectual base of the Democratic Party will NEVER forget it.

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September 29, 2009 3:50 PM    in reply to willia451

I think the mistake many make is believing there are actually fundamental differences between the parties. In the long run neither party works for the interests of the majority of the public. They work for the rich and that's about it. They may come around every few years and kiss everybody's ass but then forget them once re-elected.

I can't remember the exact saying but what it goes something like 'America has one political party-the party of property, and it has two sides'.

I doubt there will be much hope until this monopoly is transcended.

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September 29, 2009 4:02 PM   

These corporate whores are literally voting DEATH AND BANKRUPTCY on thousands and thousands of their fellow Americans and they act like it is just another sunny day in DC.

America is honestly just a HUGE CORPORATE FUCK FEST where the greediest and the biggest liars win every damn time. After eight long years of George Fucking Bush, and now this whorehouse of a Democratic congress ..... well I really am starting to accept that I live in one of the most disgusting places on Earth.

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September 29, 2009 4:04 PM   

Let's all take a moment to breathe. This is exactly what has been expected for months. AND we should expect that when the HELP bill and this one are merged, there won't be a public option in that bill either. The House bills will then be voted on and will have a PO. THEN it will get interesting to see what comes out of conference. Any pressure to be exerted needs to be addressed to the people who will be working on that conference, and on Dems that seem to be hesitant to vote for cloture.

In the mean time, a serious challenge needs to be addressed to any Dem. who utters the term "level playing field." It is nothing more than a Rep. / industry talking point. This country needs a health care with two primary changes: lower costs and guaranteed access. No one, in a year or two, other than those dependent on the status quo really will care what the government does or does not do, if they get those two things. If private health care can't compete, then the insurers can take their place on the scrap heap of history. If they can, they will be more regulated and end up looking like the plan that exists in Switzerland.

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September 29, 2009 4:32 PM    in reply to Mr.E.

Yes, breathe. Getting a bad vote out of Finance is like getting a pig to grunt. I'm a bit taken aback by all the surprise, but Baucus and Conrad deserve all the scorn they receive.

Just get the bill out of committee. Strengthen it where you can, and get it to the floor.

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September 29, 2009 4:07 PM   

Well, I just wrote Bill Nelson letting him know he's lost my support. Too bad he's not up for reelection for another 3 years or something. It's times like this I wish we had the power to remove legislators by referendum.

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September 29, 2009 4:48 PM   

It's time to talk with our wallets. The only thing these guys understand is money. When you get one of those envelopes in the Mail from the Democratic Party, simply do what I do, write "No public option, no money" on it and send it back. If you get a call from the DNC, tell them the same thing.

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September 29, 2009 5:39 PM   

As Matt Taibbi wrote:
"The bad news is our failed health care system won't get fixed, because it exists entirely within the confines of yet another failed system: the political entity known as the United States of America."

This won't be the last FAIL by Obama and the Democratic congress. Our government is for sale and until the public buys it back, we won't get any needed reform.

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