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Roy Blunt: "You Have To Play The Ball Where The Monkey Throws It"


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Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), who is currently a candidate for Senate in 2010, just told an interesting story to the Values Voters Summit, explaining the state of pandemonium in Washington.

A long time ago in India, Blunt said, a group of British occupiers set about building a golf course from what was formerly a stretch of wilderness. Much to their surprise, as soon as the first balls were played, monkeys would run out and play with them. The monkeys might throw a ball from fairway to sand, from sand to fairway -- or even back at the golfer.

Eventually, the golfers had to agree to a new rule, never before used in the game. "You have to play the ball where the monkey throws it. And that is the rule in Washington all the time," Blunt said, to the applause and laughter of the crowd.

"You know the world is turned upside down," he added for context, "when Al Franken is in the United States Senate, and Tom DeLay is going on Dancing With The Stars."

Late Update: Here's the audio, courtesy of Fired Up Missouri:

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September 18, 2009 3:41 PM   

Please, Republicans...can we dispense with all the monkey references?

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September 18, 2009 4:33 PM    in reply to jcricket

Boo hoo hoo. "Smirking chimp" ring a bell?
Quit whining, whatever conservatives come up with that you might find offensive, has been done earlier and more pithily by Dems.
We've been putting up with Democrat crap for eight years, you have seven and a half to go. Get used to it.

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September 18, 2009 4:40 PM    in reply to shooter242

Q: Which group has been dehumanized for centuries by comparisons with monkeys: Black people, or wealthy white people?

Boo fricking hoo yourself. Bush had a lovefest from 9/11 till people began to realize he had screwed the pooch in Iraq.

And it's "Democratic crap," if you please.

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September 18, 2009 5:20 PM    in reply to Ann Arbor

Q: Which group has been dehumanized for centuries by comparisons with monkeys: Black people, or wealthy white people?
What in the world does wealth have to do with it? Is that some indicator of racist tendencies or something? Look, if you and whoever else goes around with a chip on your shoulder, waiting for slights real and imagined, I predict they will come. Should I as a white person be offended by Cracker Barrel cheese? How about White-out? According to you, yes.

As for Bush, you're saying all the angst around the 2000 election was actually a lovefest? Right. I think that tells us all we need to know.

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September 18, 2009 6:15 PM    in reply to shooter242

Whatever category you want to assign Bush to -- white people, Ivy League legacies, Skull and Bonesmen -- has not been subjected to centuries of comparisons with monkeys as a way to dehumanize them. So the comparison in his case just maybe didn't have the same sting or resonate the same way as when it's used with blacks. That is all. I've got no chip on my shoulder, but stuff like this picks at this centuries-old scab that is part of America.

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September 20, 2009 10:00 AM    in reply to shooter242

Okay by you if I assume that you are hillbilly white trailer trash? Or is there a history of prejudice about those terms which makes them so offensive that they ought to be avoided by all persons of good will?

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September 19, 2009 11:38 AM    in reply to Ann Arbor

AnnArbor,

speaking to Bulldog is as useful as speaking to your dining room table, or the beach chair out on the deck.

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September 18, 2009 5:06 PM    in reply to shooter242

No, actually, it doesn't. Make that one up yourself?

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September 18, 2009 6:15 PM    in reply to shooter242

You put up with eight years of crap?

He shoots. He misses.

But I suppose we should just get used to that.

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September 22, 2009 1:00 AM    in reply to jcricket

I'm obviously no fan of Roy, but seriously, I don't think he even remotely meant it as a racist thing. It's a mildly amusing anecdote, is all.

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September 18, 2009 3:47 PM   

Makin' us proud here in Missouri (yes, Roy, it's pronounced Missour-ee and not Missour-uh). What a tone-deaf idiot.

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September 18, 2009 3:50 PM   

Stay classy republicans. Respect the office, if not the person in it. Country first.

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September 18, 2009 5:26 PM    in reply to Bullsmith

Sorry bud, but that idea left the room in 2000. Democrats have set the tone and are now on the receiving end of it. Get used to it.

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September 18, 2009 5:48 PM    in reply to shooter242

Coughlin, Nixon, McCarthy and the John Birchers set the tone. The Reaganites with Lee Atwater and Karl Rove continued it. That's been a conservative game for over half a century. So has the childish attempt to blame someone else for the loutish behavior.

I can see why you conservatives would want to blame the Democrats, but you get back the response you demand when you propose self-centered crap for policies that damage a lot of other people and don't accept any compromises with others.

The issue is not the school-boy taunt of "You started it so I'll do it back." That's no justification for grownups. The issue is why do you do it in the first place and what do you expect back as a result? And you act that way because you are self-centered, wrong and uncompromising because you have no valid argument to support what you are demanding. Then you try to blame someone else for your behavior.

It won't work. You are responsible for your behavior, not some anonymous prior Democrats who allegedly did the same thing or something like it. And you will be blamed for how you behave.

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September 18, 2009 6:18 PM    in reply to shooter242

Apparently Shooter also never heard of the Arkansas project and all of the associated anti-Clinton wingnuttery in the '90s. That was a model of civil discourse for all democracies to follow.

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September 18, 2009 3:58 PM   

I assume he's talking about Hall of Fame pitcher-turned-Republican Senator Jim Bunning. Because the alternative is, well, either remarkably tone deaf or else blatantly racist, and who could possibly think such a thing about such a wonderful man as Roy Fucking Blunt.

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September 18, 2009 3:58 PM   

Seemed like blatant racist bile until the end (the DeLay/Franken bit).

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September 18, 2009 4:18 PM   

The monkeys are the GOP base. As a GOP Rep he has to go with whatever they do. It is well known that anyone with enough spine to speak truth to crazy cannot win a GOP primary.

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September 18, 2009 4:20 PM   

Actually,Roy, the world is finally starting to right itself after a terrible topsy turvy experience that almost destroyed us. Tom Delay? village id.i.ot. Al Franken? The word leader comes to mind. Can YOU, Roy, draw a map of the fifty states freehand? Can you even name them?

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September 18, 2009 4:20 PM   

I'm not going to go shoutin' "racist!" just because some old, white, southern Republican man uses the word "monkey" in an address to a bunch of other mostly older, mostly southern, overwhelmingly white Republicans. Happy reminiscencess about the British raj, however, is pretty tin-eared.

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September 18, 2009 4:34 PM   

Sorry guys... I have to politely disagree on this one. I'm a liberal through and through, but it's stuff like this that makes us look like crazy moonbats. Can nobody ever again mention a monkey? His comment wasn't even about the President. Is this really any different than the false-outrage last fall when Obama used "lipstick on a pig" and the wacko right screamed sexism for two weeks?

There are bigger fish to fry than this.

And sorry if I offended any fish.

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September 18, 2009 4:46 PM    in reply to gsdvmx

Agreed. What's next? We take the word "monkey" out of the language? I hate these morons as much as the next guy but let's not do Silly Season, pleze.

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September 19, 2009 7:08 AM    in reply to gsdvmx

Explain the analogy.

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September 19, 2009 8:34 AM    in reply to Karl the Marxist

Explain what analogy?

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September 19, 2009 9:21 AM    in reply to gsdvmx

Explain how this monkey-analogy particularly well describes the situation in Washington?

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September 20, 2009 3:25 PM    in reply to Karl the Marxist

I think he was just saying that crazy stuff happens in Washington, and you have to roll with it. He noted that a comedian was just elected to Congress, and Tom Delay is on a dancing TV show. The expression he used is clearly a variation on "play the ball where it lies," and apparently has a legitimate historical source.

There are plenty of reasons to take aim at conservatives, and there is no need to invent controversy out of thin air.

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September 20, 2009 4:34 PM    in reply to gsdvmx

"You play the cards you were dealt" was obviously insufficient to convey the, ah, nuances of the situation to the audience.

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September 21, 2009 7:47 AM    in reply to Karl the Marxist

I didn't say there aren't other idioms that mean the same thing, but people shouldn't be restricted to a particular set of idioms just because hypersensitive bloggers are waiting to pounce on any mention of a primate for the next eight years. It seems clear to me that he was reminded of a story and told it -- a story which, if you back away from DEFCON 1 for eight seconds, is actually pretty funny.

As I said, it is a damning commentary on the state of American politics when most discourse seems to swirl around semantics rather than content. This article is foolish -- a reaction desperately looking for a cause. Mr. Blunt said nothing offensive. You can cock your eyebrow as much as you like, but it only adds to the general perception of liberals and progressives as a pack of rabid complainers and hair-trigger crybabies. I'm tired of being lumped into such a group, because I think true liberalism can be as pragmatic as it is idealistic.

Part of my progressive ideology is a deep sense that we should be past this silliness by now. The fact that liberals are the first ones to perk up their ears any time monkeys enter a conversation indicates a defect in our collective mentality, and an alarming willingness to misuse a serious and pervasive issue for short-term benefit. We're crying wolf, and if you flash the race card often enough, it will assuredly begin to lose its potency.

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September 19, 2009 6:38 PM    in reply to gsdvmx

i don't hear anyone 'screaming' racism here. so i'm not sure who you are politely disagreeing with.

but i think anyone should be able to understand why this might raise a few eyebrows.

and i'd say only if 'play it where the monkey throws it' existed as a common phrase that everyone understands the meaning of could you compare it to the 'lipstick on a pig' nonsense.

in the phrase 'lipstick on a pig' everyone knows what the pig is and what the lipstick is.

what is the monkey in the supposed phrase 'play it where the monkey throws it'? some 'new' element of 'uncertainty'???

you don't have to come to the conclusion that blunt meant it to be racist (or even conclude that it is at the very least inadvertently racist) to understand that there is 'an elephant in the room'. and you don't have to be a cryptographer to understand what the elephant is.

what a topsy turvy world! an entertainer was elected to the senate!

what a topsy turvy world! a former senator is on a network televsion program!

what a topsy turvy world! a black man is president!

well, you know what they say, we just have to play it where the monkey throws it!

oh wait, nobody says that. maybe he should've told a story that everyone's heard before that would have been more apt and less open to being misconstrued as offensive. something about watermelons and fried chicken or cadillacs and welfare checks.

what??? there's nothing inherently racist about watermelons. white people like watermelons, too!

i'm not going to accuse blunt of being a racist or suggest he needs to explain himself or apologize. but i will direct a raised eyebrow in his direction.

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September 20, 2009 3:46 PM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

The fact that this incident was worth a post on a major blog means that people are assuming racism, or at the very least, some kind of subconscious prejudice. You moderate your position somewhat with an apparently non-accusatory "raised eyebrow," but you are still demonstrating a hypersensitivity.

Your note about a black man being president is added out of context, and was not part of his original statement, nor was it implied when he made it. It only becomes part of the discourse at all when you decide to add it. It only raises eyebrows because some people salivate at the thought of catching a Republican in a compromising moment. Had a Democrat uttered the same words, we would not be reading this post.

As I stated, I'm very much a liberal. But I would love to see our nation's political discourse concern itself with substance and not symbols. Despite my voting record, I do not share the generally liberal mindset that the sound of words is more important than their meaning. There is too much real racism and prejudice in the world to waste time tilting at windmills.

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September 18, 2009 8:55 PM   

That's from a Unitarian Universalist sermon-

Next time try the google.

Golfing With Monkeys
a sermon by Rev. Scott W. Alexander
Unitarian Universalist Church of Rockville, March 11, 2007

http://www.uucr.org/sermons/golfingwithmonkeys.html

...“Golfing With Monkeys”…now there’s a sermon title that tells you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what I want to focus upon this morning, nothing (that is) unless you know the rather intriguing story. Is anybody here this morning familiar with the “Golfing With Monkeys” story? Good, I like “basically clueless congregations,” they’re more receptive!

Here’s the story: The Rev. Gregory Knox Jones (a Presbyterian minister who serves a church just over the River in Northern Virginia) writes that “Once the English had colonized and established their businesses, they yearned for recreation and decided to build a golf course in Calcutta. Golf in Calcutta present a unique obstacle. Monkeys would drop out of the trees, scurry across the course and seize the golf balls. The monkeys would play with the balls, tossing them here and there. At first, the golfers tried to control the monkeys. Their first strategy was to build high fences around the fairways and greens. This approach, which seemed initially to hold much promise, was abandoned when the golfers discovered that a fence is no challenge to an ambitious monkey. Next the golfers tried luring the monkeys away from the course. But the monkeys found nothing as amusing as watching humans go wild whenever their little white balls were disturbed. In desperation, the British began trapping the monkeys. But for every monkey they carted off, another would appear. Finally, the golfers gave into reality and a rather novel ground rule . Golfers were obliged to PLAY THE BALL WHERE THE MONKEY DROPPED IT…As you can imagine, playing could be maddening. A beautiful drive down the center of the fairway might be picked up by a monkey and then dropped in the rough. Or the opposite could happen. A hook or slice that had produced a miserable lie might be flung onto the fairway.” The unpredictable monkeys, then, brought equal measures of gratuitous bad and good luck to the game...."

Careful with that arm, you're really stretching it here.

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September 19, 2009 9:43 AM    in reply to dualdiagnosis

when the conservatives quote the UUs, the world is truly upside down...

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September 19, 2009 12:18 PM    in reply to grenadine

Not to worry, Grenadine, the conservative was quoting a Presbytarian minister (Rev. Gregory Knox Jones, author of the book Play the Ball Where the Monkey Drops It.

Or were you referring to dualdiagnosis's political leanings? ;-)

(By the way, the UU minister did cite his source in the above quote.)

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September 19, 2009 6:46 PM    in reply to NitPicker1

none of the tracking back to the source helps with explicating blunt's 'analogy' though.

from the amazon description of the book:

Product Description
During colonial times the British living in India tried to play golf, only to be frustrated by monkeys who disrupted the game by chasing the golf balls and creating chaos. The British tried erecting fences and posting guards to keep the monkeys back, but eventually decided to play the ball where the monkey dropped it -- as we often must do in life, to live as best we can with forces that are beyond our control. Why must we suffer? Gregory Knox Jones tackles this enduring issue of life with clarity and intelligence, offering hope to anyone who is struggling with the pain and confusion of unjust suffering. Dr. Jones recounts the life stories he has seen in his work as a pastor: parents losing their child in a car accident, a runner coping with the amputation of his leg. Every day good people suffer, raising the question: Why is this so, if there is a just and all-powerful God? The response that God works in mysterious ways that are beyond human understanding simply isn't adequate in the face of such profound suffering. Dr. Jones, who has more than twenty years' experience in the parish, found that he had to rethink his ideas as he ministered to people in pain and grief. The wisdom that he gained enabled him to lead people through the most difficult circumstances to healing and new hope. Now, in Play the Ball Where the Monkey Drops It, Jones gently guides us through the inadequacies of the traditional solutions to the problem of evil, offering practical and compassionate answers to the deepest questions rooted in the experience of everyday life. Notable for its relevant real-life examples and its clarity, this book offers guidance and solace to anyone who has ever wondered, "Why me?"

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September 19, 2009 11:35 AM   

All of the brain dead tea baggers, birthers and Limbaugh dittoheads will be guffawing and chortling over Blunt's monkey reference.

They're starting a new meme, that the liberals are rabble rousing so much that they may get Obama shot. Of course this is their standard tactic, act in some egregious way then blame your opponents for acting in the egregious way.

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September 22, 2009 12:10 AM   

Roy Blunt's biggest problem seems to be he recycles his bad jokes too often and failed to look at the political context of using it during this time and place. At this link, you can find an audio of Blunt using the same joke at a November 2006 speech before the Heritage Foundation: http://rturner229.blogspot.com/2009/09/audio-provided-for-blunts-use-of-monkey.html

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