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Sherrod Brown: Rahm's 'Wrong' On Public Option Chances In Senate


Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)

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Appearing on the Ed Show tonight, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel was "wrong" when he appeared pessimistic about the chances of a public option making it through the Senate.

"We'll get enough votes," Brown said, citing bills that have passed through three House committees and the Senate HELP Committee with a public option.

Emanuel is "wrong, because of this: Not every Democrat right now would prefer the public option in the Senate ... but no Democrat in the end is going to vote against a procedural question to kill the health care bill," he said.

"The 60 Democrats will stay together on procedural questions and then, on final passage, some may vote against it because it's got a public option. But I don't see that," he said. Brown added that at least 50 Democrats in the Senate support the public option.

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mcc

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September 24, 2009 6:46 PM   

Hey, look, someone's doing Harry Reid's job!

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September 24, 2009 7:48 PM    in reply to mcc

Bingo!

Sherrod Brown for majority leader.

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September 24, 2009 8:44 PM    in reply to Moose49

And he's a liberal from a swing state. If Ohio had the leader of the senate as their senator, maybe they'd be less inclined to lean the other way when Brown comes up for re-election.

The real problem with the Senate is that important posts, like the one Reid and Baucus has, are held by moderate to blue Dems from moderate to blue states. Then we get stuck with moderate to blue legislation and wonder why the Dems can't do anything while they are still in power.

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September 24, 2009 9:17 PM    in reply to Tim

Part of the reason for that is that the Dems pick their leadership positions based on seniority. And a lot of the Blue Dogs have been in the Senate for a long time because, in addition to having a more moderate or conservative voting record, they use their seniority to steer federal dollars to their constituencies. Even if their constituents are not entirely pleased with their voting record, they still stick with them because they want the pork to keep rolling in, and a freshman Republican wouldn't be able to do that.

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September 24, 2009 8:58 PM    in reply to mcc

I tend to agree with Brown.

this is the opposite of what a buddy of mine calls the briefcase game. It goes like this:

Buddy: So, let me ask you. Would you blow a dog for $10,000?
Patsy: Your question is ridiculous, of course not.
Buddy: I understand. But we are friends, this isn't a panel show, and I'm trying to gauge whether you would engage in what any one would reasonably consider to be embarrassing behavior for a certain amount of money. And if I came to you with a briefcase containing $10,000, would you blow a dog? I'd have the dog, you could go into a room, and blow it, and that would be that.
Patsy: I told you, no way.
Buddy: Now, I want you to think about this. I'm talking $10,000. $10,000 in cash. have you ever seen $10,000 in cash?
Patsy: No.
Buddy: It's impressive. i mean, I want you to really picture it. Picture the briefcase, and inside is a bunch of $100 bills. Stacks of them. Now, are you seriously telling me that if I had that, not as a hypothetical, but if I really had $10,000 with me, you wouldn't consider it?
Patsy: Okay, well, maybe I'd consider it.
Buddy: $10,00 in cash. you really need to picture it.
Patsy: (Pause) Okay, yeah, I might do it.
Buddy: Now, you say you might, but what if it were $20,000. That's a lot of money, right? I mean, tax free. I just hand it to you. You would blow a dog then, right? I mean, if you would consider blowing a dog for $10,000, you'd probably do it for $20,000, right?
Patsy: (Long pause) Yeah, I probably would.
Buddy: (Takes a drink of his beer) Dude. (Laughs) You'd blow a dog for $20,000. (Laughs) You sick f*ck!

The point is, these Senators are all, 'Yeah, no way I'm voting for the public option." But there is going to be a moment when they actually have to either vote to filibuster, or vote to pass sweeping health care reform on the floor, and they are going to face reality, not a hypothetical vote. A real vote. on the floor. On TV. With everybody watching.

I think Sherrod Brown is right. Just like the guy who would, under real temptation (or pressure), blow a dog, these guys are going to face a very real choice between being the one who votes to kill this, or being the one who goes along and votes.

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September 25, 2009 11:23 AM    in reply to LarsThorwald

What kind of dog?

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September 25, 2009 8:59 PM    in reply to LarsThorwald

Which is why Reid, Baucus, and likely Rahm are working really really hard to make sure they never have to face that choice.

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September 24, 2009 7:03 PM   

By the way, Ezra Klein interviewed Kent Conrad today. When asked whether he supports a public option, Conrad said, "No." No need for interpretation there.

That's news, if I remember. And that's not subject to interpretation. The question now is whether the jerk would back a filibuster of the public option if it were added on the floor, but I think you can count him as part of the problem on Finance.

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September 24, 2009 7:32 PM   

As long as Robert Byrd can make it to the floor of the Senate, they should have 60 votes. If he is not well, then the Democrats need Olympia Snowe to get cloture. If that is the case, then the Senate version of the bill probably cannot have a straight-up public option, but only a trigger. But if the bill that comes out of conference committee has a public option, then the Republicans would need to do a real filibuster to defeat it, and the pressure could be on Snowe to allow the bill to come to the floor. Well that's one scenario anyway.

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September 24, 2009 8:52 PM    in reply to Joe Markowitz

There is going to be a public option.

The logic is this simple: The bill right now has a mandate that says the public must buy insurance.

There is no way in hell that people are going to support a bill that forces people to have to buy from private companies (who control the pricing) over priced health insurance.

Think about that for a minute. Congress poses to put a gun to the head of every American and force them to give money to insurance executives. People will simply disregard the law en mass.

You simply cannot have a law that forces the public to buy insurance and not provide a public option.

So either there will be a health reform bill or there will not be a health reform bill - but there will not be a health reform bill that doesn't have a public option.

That means, this is all kabuki theater.

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September 24, 2009 11:03 PM    in reply to Tim

well the government does require everyone to buy private car insurance, so I'm not sure why requiring private health insurance would be beyond the pale.

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September 25, 2009 12:15 AM    in reply to Joe Markowitz

You only have to buy liability insurance if you drive. That is a choice. You can hardly choose not to get sick or injured.

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September 25, 2009 11:01 AM    in reply to xargaw

you only have to buy car insurance IF you OWN a car AND wish to actually DRIVE it on PUBLIC roads.

as i understand, an individual health insurance mandate requires you to buy health insurance not just if you get sick or injured but simply if you are a citizen (or legal resident?) and live in the US.

you might be able to get away with not buying car insurance if you don't register your vehicle with the DMV/SoS (which is also required by law) AND you don't get in an accident OR get pulled over by the police. but that doesn't mean you weren't required by law to purchase car insurance in the first place.

now i'm not familiar with how any of the current bills propose enforcing the health insurance mandate but i imagine that, like car insurance, you might be able to get away with not having health insurance IF you don't seek medical treatment (for getting sick or injured) AND/OR you don't file income taxes (which is usually required by law). but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be required by law to purchase health insurance in the first place.

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September 24, 2009 11:09 PM    in reply to Tim

But couldn't the insurance companies get out of it by offering some low-rent, catastrophic policy (targeting young people, for example) with low premiums and sky-high deductibles, not covering pharmaceuticals, etc. and say they were meeting the letter of the law? I'm not too clear on how compliance - and enforcement - are going to work anyway. OK, you pay a tax if you don't buy it, but how do they check to see if you've bought insurance?

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September 25, 2009 8:03 AM    in reply to Tanjaoui

No, all insurance companies participating in the exchange have to offer a minimum benefits package that extends well beyond the junk "catastrophic" plans.

In regards to enforcement, you'll likely have to provide proof of insurance when you pay your taxes.

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September 24, 2009 7:32 PM   

No Dem would back a Repub filibuster. This is the plan that will be pushed to the fullest. That is a compromise. YOu vote for cloture but then vote against the bill. Best of both worlds.

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September 24, 2009 8:00 PM    in reply to theone718

Rahm's interest is in making this the easiest and smoothest bill that can appear to come from Obama. If it comes down to fights in Congress, then Obama's role gets sidelined. Rahm just can't have that, so he goes out and sabotages anything that may wind up being contentious. He doesn't give crap #1 about whether it's good for the people or not, just about whether it's good for Obama's image.

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September 24, 2009 8:03 PM    in reply to theone718

Joe Lieberman would. He is a lizard.

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September 24, 2009 8:33 PM    in reply to East Coast Aussie

Perhaps. But if he does, the response should be immediate: he loses his chairmanship. He only got to keep it because Obama and the Dems decided mercy was preferable to vengeance. He should be told loudly and clearly that he votes with the Dems on filibusters or he's out as chairman.

Even lizards presumably know to act in their self-interest.

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September 25, 2009 9:58 AM    in reply to theone718

The "no Dem would back a" filibuster is certainly the whole issue -- and the real challenge here, and that's exactly where Brown's comments point.

We've been sold a bill of political/obstructionist goods (in the language of argument, a fallacy called the Two Horns Dilemma -- that there are only two choices, where 3rd, 4th and 5th choices actually exist): Most accept the corporatist idea that you either have 60 votes or you must go the route of the Swiss cheesifying reconciliation process.

Brown's telling us that, no, there's a more regular 3rd route that "only" requires getting 60 votes for cloture (ending obstructionist filibuster).

Once the filibuster is busted, then whatever bill is being considered can go to the floor for a simple-majority vote.

So, yup: The true challenge (a lesser challenge) is just to get 60 votes for cloture, ending the corporatist obstruction, go to a floor vote where the pocketed corporatist can vote against the bill (all Rethugs, maybe [oh, Olympia!], Baucus, Lieberman, Conrad et. al). They can tell their moneyed masters and conservative constituents that they didn't ultimately vote for reform. They can argue they were good little whore zombies genuflecting to Mammon.

Meanwhile, out on the Senate floor, we hopefully get Brown's reliable 50, plus Biden, and it's on to the House/Senate process where all five extant bills are merged into something to send to the POTUS desk.

And four of those five have relatively strong public options already.

It ain't over until that Fat Congressional Bill Merger Party sings.

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September 24, 2009 8:03 PM   

I do not believe Rahm. Heck! I don't even trust or like him! I believe Rockerfeller, Schuster, and Brown!

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September 24, 2009 9:04 PM   

Maybe it's me...but i didn't know Rahm Emanuel was the Senate Majority Whip!

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September 24, 2009 9:33 PM   

So it's not OK for Rahm to express his pessimism about the PO coming out of the Senate, but it was OK for most people in the Left blogosphere to declare it DOA for the past few months? Rahm wasn't and isn't the only one that thinks the PO won't pass in the Senate and there is no need to pound him on his statement because he doesn't get a vote.

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September 24, 2009 9:54 PM    in reply to VivaAmerica!

You're making a false comparison. What the president's Cheif of Staff carries a lot more weight with a much larger part of the population than what the Left blogosphere says. (Actually I don't believe everyone on the left has been saying the PO was DOA.)

There is plenty of reason to pound him for his statement, his job as Cheif of Staff is to twist arms with an eye toward getting the President's agenda passed, so with this statement he is admitting that he can't do his job, unless the Public Option isn't part of the President's agenda. That couldn't be, could it?

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September 24, 2009 9:41 PM   

Maybe he said it to stir up the antibodies, like a vaccine.

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September 24, 2009 10:18 PM   

Rahm is a combination of Blue Dog, DLC, Corportist, SOB Democrat. When Obama picked him for COS many people thought, "Great" he will twist arms. What we are seeing is that he is twisting the wrong arms. He represents what real Democrats want to overcome. Dean knew this and that is a big part of their rift.

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September 24, 2009 11:17 PM    in reply to xargaw

I read somewhere that Dean wanted Health and Human Services and that it was Emmanuel that somehow nixed that. Too bad. Sibelius is nowhere on this, really. Sort of like Emmanuel and Obama, come to think of it - passive spectators to the legislative process.

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September 25, 2009 8:35 AM    in reply to Tanjaoui

She's invisible. So is Chairman Kaine. Dean is the real deal and he's sitting on the bench. Not a big fan of Rahm, maybe Dean should be Chief of Staff. Or president.

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September 25, 2009 9:31 AM   

I think this actually goes back to Rahm Emanuel being a Clintonite unwilling to embrace meaningful and broad-based change. We all agree that insurers shouldn't be able to engage in rescission. That's hardly some difficult issue. It's essentially fraud -- even if the contract provides the right. The point of insurance is to provide coverage when there is a need. To rescind the contract at that point is ridiculous. So that one is easy.

Now, we all agree that insurers shouldn't be able to rely on preexisting condition exclusions, too. I mean, think about it. Everything is a preexisting condition. A friend of mine was treated for acne while a teenager. An insurer refused her application because she is more likely (according to the insurer) to develop cancer as a result of the acne. Ridiculous. So, this is not a hard issue, either.

But, it is pretty significant change to allow all of us to essentially buy into a plan for which we'd all be eligible. The risk pool would be spread more broadly - to say 50,000,000 people instead of 100,000 or so -- and, presumably, this would lead to a lower premium. That's real change. But, I don't think that Rahm believes in this. Obama does, but Emanuel believes in limiting the change.

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