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Weiner: If Left Can't Pass Even A Modest Public Option, Nobody Will Take Them Seriously


Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)

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Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)--a single payer-supporter and one of the most visible surrogates for a public option in Congress--has some stark words of warning for Congressional liberals: If they don't vote against a health care bill without a public option, as he intends to do, nobody will ever buy their threats.

"There is clearly a sense that progressives in Congress are easily rolled," Weiner told Greg Sargent.

"If the Congressional left can't pass even something as modest as a watered down public option, then frankly I don't think anyone is going to take the left very seriously later on in this Congress," he added. "When Blue Dogs talk, there are fewer of them but they have more influence than when progressives talk."

Weiner reiterated his intent to vote no on health care legislation without a public option. In mid-August, Weiner cautioned that "unless [President Obama] says a public option is the way to go, I'm gonna be a no, and so will a lot of people."

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September 9, 2009 2:18 PM   

When Blue Dogs talk, there are fewer of them but they have more influence than when progressives talk."

True.

But let's not limit the discussion to Blue Dogs. Toss rabid conservatives in with the crowd that has more influence than progressives.

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September 9, 2009 2:36 PM   

I love this guy. I hope he runs for president one day.

So that way after this Peice of shit bill passes he will be able to fix it.

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September 9, 2009 2:48 PM    in reply to 3star2nr

So which candidate will you "love" next after Weiner is unable to fix this "piece of shit" bill?

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September 9, 2009 3:45 PM    in reply to Viva!America!

Weiner can not fix anything...

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September 9, 2009 5:09 PM    in reply to 3star2nr

I'm sorry but even if he is the most awesome politician ever, nobody is going to want to talk about "President Weiner."

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September 9, 2009 5:11 PM    in reply to agio

Your comment just reminded me of an episode of Family Guy where Peter alters the future and America RE-elected President Douchebag.

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September 9, 2009 2:39 PM   

I'm a Weiner fan and, like him, I'd prefer a true single payer solution. But let's play the bi-partisan game here. Would Weiner vote for a bill that included the modest (and it is modest) public option but also included some form of reasonable (ie - don't screw the patients) medical tort reform and, say, a tax on the so-called "cadillac plans" (big labor will not be happy) to help fund the initiative? (as outlined in the Baucus plan)

Of course, this is a moot question because even if the Dems made those concessions you still would only get a handful of GOP votes...and you may still lose Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu, etc, because of the public option feature.

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September 9, 2009 2:52 PM   

Keep painting yourself into that corner Progressives. You're either going to be irrelivant when a bill is passed without you, vote for it to pass and thus having your bluff called you folded, or voting it down and blamed for healthcare reform failing for the next 20 years.

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September 9, 2009 2:56 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

Despite the tough talk, there will not be enough Dem votes in the House against a public-optionless bill to sink the whole thing. Weiner may vote against it but you can be sure that Pelosi will get enough progressives to sign on to a plan with no public option to make sure that it finds its way to Obama's desk. I admire the fight, I want them to keep up the fight...but the reality is that House progressives are NOT going to sink the most significant healthcare reform bill in over 40 years, even if it is imperfect and doesn't have a public option.

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September 9, 2009 3:11 PM    in reply to ogliberal

once again many posts are doing the work for the GOP and denouncing the need for a public option inorder to get a bill passsed. All I have to say is that it is horrid public policy to mandate health insurance be obtained by everyone and they will be driven to private insurance carriers. The same bastards who kill people everyday with their greed for profit and the democrats want to give more business without a public option. STUPID FOLKS! Plain stupid policy that kill the democrats in 2010!

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September 9, 2009 2:59 PM   

What's the difference between a health care bill with no public option and a health care bill with a watered down (polite word for useless) public option?

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September 9, 2009 3:06 PM    in reply to Viva!America!

Those are our only choices? Seriously?

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September 9, 2009 5:19 PM    in reply to Schmed

That's what it sounds like. I keep reading that the PO as it stands now is watered down or will get watered down once it goes to the senate, conference or through reconciliation (whatever the process is) and now Weiner is saying progressives should fight for a PO even if it's watered down just to make a point.

I just hope that the House does not trash an entire bill just because they didn't get a watered down (useless)public option.

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September 9, 2009 3:37 PM   

So what? I heard the current legislation for the public option makes it impossible for it to compete. First, the public option cannot negotiate drug prices for anything other than the name brands, i.e. generics are excluded. Then as Mr. Reich has said the public option even without a trigger will not be in place for years. Additionally, the public option will not allow anyone/everyone to enroll. Then the final nail is if an employer offers insurance, no matter how crappy it is that person cannot apply for any other insurance. Thus, in short the bills in both the House and Senate are a sham and no one, not even Mr. Reich are telling us these little facts.

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September 9, 2009 3:53 PM    in reply to VictorLH

Why the public option matters
Most arguments against the public option are based either on deliberate misrepresentation of what that option would mean, or on remarkably thorough misunderstanding of the concept, which persists to a frustrating degree: I was really surprised to see Joe Klein worrying about the creation of a system in which doctors work directly for the government, British-style, when that has nothing whatsoever to do with the public option as proposed. (Forty years of Medicare haven’t turned the US into that kind of system — why would having a public plan change that?)

But what is one to make of the practical, political argument from the likes of Ezra Klein, who argue that any public plan actually included in legislation probably wouldn’t make that much difference, and that reform is worth having even without such a plan?

There are three reasons to be suspicious of that argument.

The first is that I suspect that Ezra and others understate the extent to which even a public plan with limited bargaining power will help hold down overall costs. Private insurers do pay providers more than Medicare does — but that’s only part of the reason Medicare has lower costs. There’s also the huge overhead of the private insurers, much of which involves marketing and attempts to cherry-pick clients — and even with community rating, some of that will still go on. A public plan would probably be able to attract clients with much less of that.

Second, a public plan would probably provide the only real competition in many markets.

Third — and this is where I am getting a very bad feeling about the idea of throwing in the towel on the public option — is the politics. Remember, to make reform work we have to have an individual mandate. And everything I see says that there will be a major backlash against the idea of forcing people to buy insurance from the existing companies. That backlash was part of what got Obama the nomination! Having the public option offers a defense against that backlash.

What worries me is not so much that the backlash would stop reform from passing, as that it would store up trouble for the not-too-distant future. Imagine that reform passes, but that premiums shoot up (or even keep rising at the rates of the past decade.) Then you could all too easily have many people blaming Obama et al for forcing them into this increasingly unaffordable system. A trigger might fix this — but the funny thing about such triggers is that they almost never get pulled.

Let me add a sort of larger point: aside from the essentially circular political arguments — centrist Democrats insisting that the public option must be dropped to get the votes of centrist Democrats — the argument against the public option boils down to the fact that it’s bad because it is, horrors, a government program. And sooner or later Democrats have to take a stand against Reaganism — against the presumption that if the government does it, it’s bad.

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September 9, 2009 3:57 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

I'm not against a public option, my point is what is in the current legislation is a shame - it can't compete.

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September 9, 2009 4:17 PM   

If we're painting ourselves into a corner by insisting on the one facet of this "Healthcare reform" that would actually have the effect of causing Insurance companies to rachet down their incessant gouging of policyholders and constant screwing of those that get sick , together with those that are already sick, so be it. I've never bought in to this middleman between me and my healthcare anyway, and less so now that they are paying their CEOs hundreds of millions of dollars , and their executive structure more millions all skimmed right off the public weal. Any pretense that you are doing anything except shilling for the status quo should be dropped.

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