The temperature taking of Senate moderates continues. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) doesn't think of the public option as a high-priority issue. But I asked him whether, in conversations with his fellow moderates, he's gotten the sense that a health care bill with an opt-out public option might get snagged up before it comes to the floor.
He was pretty blunt. "Yeah, I think that's possible." His own chief concern, he says, is the deficit. "But for me, if there are things in here that would substantially explode the deficit in the out years, I would feel so strongly about that, that it would be difficult for me to vote go to the bill without that having been corrected, because once you've done that you've given up, really, your ability to have a significant impact on the outcome."

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AJM
October 27, 2009 2:17 PM
Yep, I can imagine it going down to --- and taking you with it.
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jenzinoh
October 27, 2009 3:05 PM in reply to AJM
Actually, I can imagine him taking it down...
""But for me, if there are things in here that would substantially explode the deficit in the out years, I would feel so strongly about that, that it would be difficult for me to vote go to the bill without that having been corrected,"
What a load of crap from someone who advocated and voted for tax breaks favoring the wealthy and the "Paris Hilton" estate tax cut put forth by Sen. Lincoln back in April.
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Indie Pro
October 27, 2009 2:23 PM
I can imagine it failing as well. You know, since we don't actually know what's in it.
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AJM
October 27, 2009 3:53 PM in reply to Indie Pro
I agree that he might be able to take it down -- what I think he would find difficult is taking it down without going down with it.
As to what's in the bill, that's what we have Senators and their staff for.
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trblmkr
October 27, 2009 2:26 PM
These guys and gal(Lincoln) will only listen if they can more $$$ from individual progressives and liberal PACs than they do from big healthcare. AND, it has to be year in year out, not just this cycle. OR, we could change campaign contribution laws, WHOOPS! too late SCOTUS already ruled money is 'free speech'. SO, we have to put liberals on the bench. This is gonna take a looooong time.
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tenaciousd
October 27, 2009 2:36 PM in reply to trblmkr
Not Bayh. I grew up in IN during his political rise. Now that he knows he will never be Prez, he will do what it takes to be a Senator for life. His being progressive was always contingent on his being able to climb the ladder. He's a de facto R now--only carrying the D in tribute to his father's legacy.
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Obama1st
October 27, 2009 2:34 PM
Brian..the revelant question and the key to HCR is whether or not Democratic Senators will vote for a GOP filibuster or not? All these conservadems in the Senate are only key and important until that question is resolved. Drive any interview with that goal of reporting on the filibuster....
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ru4862
October 27, 2009 2:38 PM
Democrats are their own worst enemy. I can't believe Barack actually considered Evan Bayh as a potential running mate.
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_jonny_5_
October 27, 2009 2:39 PM
Bayh hasn't been out bloviating (a la Nelson, Landrieu, Lincoln)on the subject and he is a fairly low key senator.
It sounds to me like he has the backbone to stand with the bill because if he can't image Reid's bill will fail that means Bayh would have to vote for it.
Sure its kinda Doublespeak, but he is a politician...
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TaraV
October 27, 2009 2:43 PM
It's going to come down to the CBO score for these guys. And if it's the defecit he's concerned about, then the public option is his friend!
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CT Voter
October 27, 2009 2:44 PM
Brian? Is your headline Bayh's actual words, or is that a paraphgrase of his answer to your question?
It's not clear.
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Indie Pro
October 27, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to CT Voter
this is the quote:
He was pretty blunt. "Yeah, I think that's possible."
the part with quotes
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CT Voter
October 27, 2009 2:52 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Why not just put that in the headline: Bayh: "I think that's possible" that the bill will get snagged.
I appreciate the reporting. The paraphrasing, though, has been a bit iffy.
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Indie Pro
October 27, 2009 2:55 PM in reply to CT Voter
Meh. I don't agree.
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AJM
October 27, 2009 3:56 PM in reply to Indie Pro
You fed him a leading question -- this tends to put words in a witness's mouth that he might not have volunteered. Now he is publicly 'committed.'
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Moose49
October 27, 2009 2:55 PM
What a load of crap, considering that the public option will reduce the cost of health care reform. He's either being ignorant, disingenuous or both. Or being a complete asshole, which is par for the course for him.
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DKDC
October 27, 2009 3:05 PM
Or, if you think about it another way, setting himself up to be consistent in letting the bill go forward. He can say, my main concern was the deficit and the score says this bill with a public option will help reduce the deficit, so I'm for letting it move ahead.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Bayh and even Lieberman are just making noise - they will vote for a MTP and then do whatever makes their little conservative hearts go pitter patter on the floor during debate, then stand back and let the bill pass with or without their final vote.
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Moose49
October 27, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to DKDC
I hope to God you're right. I do wish I could share your optimism and confidence.
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trblmkr
October 27, 2009 6:21 PM in reply to DKDC
Dunno about Loserman, he has Aetna and Cigna HQ'd in his state($$$).
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 27, 2009 3:20 PM
So is this "I'd be against if it exploded the deficit" concern something that would be assuagable by actual data, like, for example, a CBO score showing it would reduce the cost of reform, or is this "I'd be against it if it exploded the deficit" ala Lieberman and Landrieu meaning, "this is the lie I've decided to pin my opposition on and no mere fact will shake it?"
Given that he's allegedly been a member of Congress for the last year and hasn't suffered any evident head trauma, and thus would presumably have been aware of the fact that the CBO has consistently said public option saves money every time it's scored a bill, I'm kind of wondering whether maybe it's the latter.
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Walter Mitty
October 27, 2009 3:36 PM
Bayh is literally married to the Health Insurance Industry, look at his wife's resume for crying out loud. That being said, I can't see Bayh being the one to vote against cloture as he has Presidential aspirations and he'll never out of the Iowa Primary if he kills health care reform.
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mans_best_friend
October 27, 2009 4:43 PM
"It's possible"??? What a non-statement. What's he going to say, it's impossible? Toss this one onto the "more heat than light" pile.
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kash79
October 27, 2009 5:23 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Exactly, while I'm not surprise, Bayh would make subtle threats, this is sad excuse for news reporting.
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richard f
October 27, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
I agree. Its a nonevent. And if anybody thinks that the Reid bill is bullet proof, they're an idiot. At this stage, no one can be sure what is going to happen.
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fsudirectory
October 28, 2009 10:02 AM
I think hes catering to his state + FOX news.
I dont think the moderates want to see 1994 all over again, because in the end, thats their job too, and all the democrats that squeak them over the finish line in their states wont be coming out in 2010,12,16 whatever year it is their terms are up.
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