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At the final debate of race last night, Virginia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Creigh Deeds said he "shared the broad goals" of health care reform, but would "certainly consider opting out" of a public option "if that were available to Virginia."

"I'm not afraid of going against my fellow Democrats when they're wrong," Deeds said. "A public option isn't required in my view."

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October 21, 2009 9:34 AM   

This guy is the worst politician on the planet. He's losing because Democrats aren't enthused about him. Yet, he's saying and doing shit to make Democrats less enthused.

What a moron.

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October 21, 2009 9:34 AM   

No wonder he's doing so poorly here. No one is inspired to work for this guy.

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October 21, 2009 9:40 AM   

The funny thing is that back at the beginning of the summer, I'd pretty much written off Corzine and figured Deeds had a shot. Funny how a a few months and a few incompetent campaigns can change things.


However, I also think (now) that Virginia may have been a lost cause from the beginning. MacCauliff (sp?) and Moran weren't likely to win statewide, and Deeds is apparently pathetic, despite being (on paper) the right Dem candidate for the state. Whatever happened to our superior candidate recruitment abilities over the last few years?

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October 21, 2009 10:41 AM    in reply to holyhandgrenaid

Recruitment is limited to the house and senate.

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October 21, 2009 9:40 AM   

Good lord. No wonder Doug Wilder won't endorse....DOA

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October 21, 2009 9:42 AM   

I wish he had considered opting out of running for governor, in favor of a real democrat.

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October 21, 2009 10:23 AM    in reply to agio

Yeah like Terry McAulifffe.

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October 21, 2009 10:51 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

You mean the Terry McAuliffe who is a vocal supporter of the public option? Yeah, how terrible it would be if he had beaten Deeds.

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October 21, 2009 9:52 AM   

Having watch the whole debate, I was stunned when Deeds said this. However, McDonnell said some outrageous things, specifically lying about Deeds record re: cap and trade and taxes. He was obviously coached into using certain phrases such as "cap and trade energy tax" which he repeated ad nauseum. McD is such an extreme Pat Robertson right-winger that Deeds is still the right choice despite his public option comment. McD has never created any job legislation; Deeds has. And he wants to emulate former Senator George Macacca Allen! That is reason enough to vote for Deeds.

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October 21, 2009 9:55 AM   

What's his encore for this - line up a bunch of uninsured working poor and piss on their faces? Or maybe he can get his health insurance donors to do so for him, as that's essentially what his position amounts to.

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October 21, 2009 10:01 AM   

I hope they do put in an opt-out provision, just so I can watch these schmucks eat their words. It will be just like the stimulus money - all talk.

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October 21, 2009 10:10 AM    in reply to mans_best_friend

I couldn't agree more. I love the public option with the opt out. Although, I suppose I should have more compassion for Democratic minorities in states with a hard core wingnut majority.

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October 21, 2009 10:18 AM    in reply to QuiteAlarmed

Please do. We'd appreciate it.

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October 21, 2009 10:41 AM    in reply to QuiteAlarmed

Don't worry about it. NO state is going to opt out any more than they actually refused to take the stimulus money.

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October 21, 2009 10:04 AM   

I will still vote for Deeds, but running to the right when the left isn't excited about you is the strategy that Dems really need to end. Unfortunately he will probably loose and we'll be stuck with a typical extreme social conservative again for 4 years. At least we still have the single term limit here in VA so we can all learn again just how bad the Repubs are at running the state and get back to work with a Dem in 4 years.

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October 21, 2009 10:12 AM    in reply to JohnAH

>running to the right when the left isn't excited about you is the strategy that Dems really need to end.

It's the "I think it's still 2004" strategy

Really dumb. Also, when you are getting slammed for waffling and being two-faced, the worst thing to do is keep lurching and keep saying "surprising" things at debates. Stick to the goddamn script and shut up!

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October 21, 2009 10:08 AM   

This guy can't make up his mind whether he's a liberal or not. Started out playing up his pro-choice credentials and then now this. Why be apologetic or sheepish about progressive principles, especially when you are losing that badly?? Deeds needs to be bolder and assertive, not cower. How can he expect enthusiast activists to volunteer for him when he pushes the party's principles aside?

Democrats, and Obama, need to look at how a waffling pseudo-democrat performs in a tight race. Where are the supporters? Where are the donors? Where's the enthusiasm to Get Out the Vote????

Take a good hard look, and then stop watering down Democratic policies. We won in 2006 and 2008 ebcause of liberal activism. People were fired up and ready to go. The DNC and the WH and Congress need to remember that.

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October 21, 2009 10:14 AM   

This is the answer to those who claim that no red state would dare opt-out if given the choice and that an opt-out compromise would turn red states blue.

Such arguments are made by those who don't live in red states, and don't have first hand experience with the madness that surrounds progressives who do. Such arguments indicate that people living in blue states are willing to risk the lives and quality of lives of those of the poor and disenfranchised living in red states--not to mention abandoning those in red states who worked so hard to help elect a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress with their contributions, calls, letters, and votes.

Also, as Creig Deeds demonstrates, an opt-out compromise would take us back in time from an effective 50 state strategy to a DLC style swing state strategy where many red state Dems would have to argue against a public option in order to get elected..

I beg my fellow progressives not to accept an opt-out compromise. It's cruel, it selfish, and it's long-term trouble.

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October 21, 2009 10:41 AM    in reply to CJ

And it may be the only way to pass a public option with any kind of teeth. Given how entrenched the insurance lobby is and the very divided political climate, this may very well be the best the Dems can do right now.

And if the public option really does work and people in red states want it, they can demand that their legislators and governor vote to opt into the plan and vote them out if they don't.

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October 21, 2009 11:14 AM    in reply to jdb316

First, by no stretch of the imagination is the opt-out compromise the best we can do right now. We don't have to accept that 60 votes are necessary to pass health care reform in the Senate when reconciliation (50 votes plus Biden) are all that's necessary to pass the most robust public option proposal out there (i.e., Medicare for all). And by asserting that this is the best that we can do, you're accepting the anti-consitutional Republican framing, as Harry Reid has done, that we need super-majorities to pass legislation in the Senate. We don't, and we shouldn't accept any argument to the contrary.

Second, the majority of people in red states don't want the public option. In other words, they don't want quality, affordable health care for all. Just like they didn't want to end slavery. Just like they didn't want to allow women to vote. Just like they didn't want to allow blacks to vote or to end segregation. We didn't leave the disenfranchised to the majority will in those states then, and we shouldn't do it today.

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October 21, 2009 11:24 AM    in reply to CJ

Put aside the Senate for a moment. Remember that there are over 40 Blue Dogs in the House. Putting in the opt out clause might give them the political cover they need to support a public option. Without it, a large number of them will vote NO, possibly enough to deny the Dems even a simple majority. And if that happens, it doesn't matter what the Senate does.

As for the Senate, you're right that reconcilliation is, in theory, an option. The downside to that, of course, is that the spending authorization for anything passed through reconcilliation expires after five years. If the Dems lose control of Congress by that point (very possible), the Republicans will be more than happy to vote NO for continuing the funding.

If the Dems are going to go that route, it should only be as a last resort. And they better make sure they have it right.

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October 21, 2009 12:19 PM    in reply to jdb316

Five years will make the public option as sacred to politicians as Medicare.

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October 21, 2009 12:43 PM    in reply to jdb316

Again, with all due respect, you're not informed on the politics.

First, despite their false claims of being fiscally conservative (with the media's unquestioning support), most Blue Dogs are ideologues who oppose the public option for reasons that have nothing to do with political cover. Most Blue Dogs in the House don't need political cover to support a robust public option--that is they don't need political cover to support the proposal that costs the least. To the contrary, they would need political cover to oppose a robust public option. My assertion is supported by nationwide polls and district-by-district polls (e.g., my own Congressman is a Blue Dog, still sitting on the fence despite polls in his district indicating that the public option is wildly popular here). In fact, Pelosi will have the votes in the House. Pragmatically speaking, it's a done deal on that side of the building.

As far as spending authorization that expires after a certain number of years, such a sunset provision only applies to legislation that is projected to increase the deficit. All health reform proposals include provisions to pay for them...therefore no sunset provision is necessary.

Incidentally, Gingrich vowed yesterday that repealing any and all health reform passed will be an issue in the 2010 and 2012 elections. They're going to do what they're going to do no matter what we do to appease them, fend them off, or provide "political cover." We're only going to continue to grow the progressive movement by standing up to their nonsense rather than running scared all the time.

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October 21, 2009 10:44 AM    in reply to CJ

Did any states actually refuse the stimulus money? Don't kid yourself. The PO is actually very popular even in red states. No state is going to opt out. It's all talk.

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October 21, 2009 11:04 AM    in reply to mans_best_friend

With respect, you're the one kidding yourself.

I grew up in Georgia, my family lives in Georgia, my life-long friends live in Georgia, and God love 'em, when it comes to politics, they're deranged, anti-government ideologues. Even my 14 year-old niece identifies her politics on her Facebook page as "NoBama".

Deed is no anomoly. If his statement on the opt-out compromise doesn't convince you (Virginia is among the most progressive red states), then I suspect that nothing will. But you're deluding yourself if you think that red states wouldn't dare opt-out. They will, and as I said, you're gambling with other people's lives.

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October 21, 2009 10:17 AM   

No wonder this clown is doing so poorly. Being republican-lite will not inspire core democratic voters, Creigh Deeds.

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