The three candidates in New Jersey met for their final debate, a radio debate as opposed to TV. The big focus of the night was the state's property taxes, along with discussion of another big issue in New Jersey, public corruption.
Hot-button issues like health care and gay marriage were not to be found. Property taxes are a major funding mechanism for government in New Jersey -- and represent a huge burden on residents, and are thus a major campaign issue. The candidates were all asked how much they personally pay in property taxes. Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine pays about $35,000 or $36,000, Republican nominee Chris Christie pays $38,000, and independent Chris Daggett pays $18,000.
They all went through their proposals about what to do to change this. Corzine discussed his administration's accomplishments in promoting local government consolidations. Christie talked about putting pressure on local government to reduce spending, and to force consolidations by giving grants to towns to explore it -- and if it's found that consolidation would save money, they must either consolidate or pay the state the money back from the study. Daggett called for a hard cap on municipal spending, with very few exceptions, combined with an expanded sales tax base.
Christie opposed Daggett's plan: "The property tax problem is not one that's gonna be solved overnight, and it's not gonna be solved by gimmicks, by raising taxes in one place so you can cut them in another."
"I don't believe Mr. Christie has a plan at all," Daggett shot back. "He keeps saying he has a plan, but he never has any details about that plan." He also said: "I, by the way, put a property calculator on my Web site, so I no longer have to buy Mr. Christie that calculator that I talked about in the last debate."
Corzine also pounced on Christie, and to a lesser degree Daggett: "I'll tell you a couple of things I won't do, which both of my opponents are suggesting. I won't cut taxes on the very wealthy and corporations and insurance companies. That leads to press to rising property taxes on lower income families across New Jersey." And he added: "One of the things I absolutely wouldn't do, I wouldn't turn down $5 billion worth of federal stimulus dollars, as Mr. Christie has suggested, which would have automatically jacked up property taxes -- due to the failure to take money for education, would have jacked up property taxes by $2 billion.
A big subject at the debate was the subject of corruption, especially in light of today's conviction of former Bergen County Democratic boss Joe Ferriero on corruption charges. Christie took this as an opportunity to tout his own record as a U.S. Attorney of putting corrupt politicians in prison -- and to criticize Corzine for having donated substantial amounts of his own money to the local Democratic organizations in the state.
"While I believe the governor is an honest man, and while I believe he's conducted himself honestly in public office, the fact is his money has enabled people like Joe Ferriero to remain in power," said Christie.
Daggett said that politicians have to lead by example -- and the kinds of corruption that are legal are an even more important problem than the crimes that have been committed. He criticized Corzine for spreading money through local Democratic organizations, and blasted Christie for the fact that his brother has raised $200,000 for the Republican Governors Association, which has run ads against Corzine, in order to circumvent the state's $3,400 limit on campaign contributions.
Corzine shot back on the matter of his donations: "Let's be clear, when I have written checks to the Bergen County Democratic Organization, it wasn't to support Joe Ferriero," said Corzine. "It's for the purpose of electing Barack Obama and Frank Lautenberg and Al Gore, and making sure progressive politics is able to compete without all this circumvention I've just heard has gone on."
He also mentioned how Ferriero had previously tried to take the Democratic nomination away from reform-minded state Sen. Loretta Weinberg -- now Corzine's running mate -- and Corzine supported her in the primary. "The idea that I have somehow supported Joe Ferriero when I stood up to him, and stood with Loretta Weinberg when he tried to run her out of the party, it's just a joke."
The election is on November 3, and Corzine and Christie have been running neck and neck in the polls, with Daggett also measuring in the teens or even as high as 20 percent. So let's see what happens in the next 12 days.
(Ed. note: The quotes used here are rush transcriptions, and may be subject to later editing.)

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alexhiggins732
October 22, 2009 10:59 PM
Once again, I give this a notch for Daggett.
Chris Daggett handed it to both Christie and Corzine for corruption saying to fight corruption you need to lead by example.
Daggett cited specific corrupt activities that Christie and Corzine had engaged in, including illegal campaign finance and pay to play, and neither Corzine or Christie could defend themselves.
Instead, Corzine acknowledges that activity is going on and agrees with Daggett that it needs to stop.
http://njelection.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/nj-3rd-gubernatorial-debate-daggett-wins-sweeping-all-3-governor-debates/
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Ethan
October 22, 2009 11:36 PM in reply to alexhiggins732
Daggett is just another Republican who's a one-trick pony. His taxation policies will benefit the wealthy over the non-wealthy.
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Matt Jones
October 22, 2009 11:01 PM
What a classically Republican idea: replace a property tax (which inherently most affects the wealthy) with a a sales tax (which inherently most affects the poor). Maybe for an encore, he can kick some sleeping homeless people in the face or personally evict a low-income family from their house.
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BeeClone
October 22, 2009 11:14 PM in reply to Matt Jones
He would if he could see his feet, now I shouldn't have said that. Only a few more days and this all will be over.
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lionelehutz
October 22, 2009 11:58 PM in reply to Matt Jones
Property tax affects people who may be asset wealthy but income poor too. These are mostly people on fixed incomes, such as retirees who are generally not that well off at all but who managed to scrimp and save and pay for their house over their working lifetime.
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Oranger
October 23, 2009 9:51 AM in reply to Matt Jones
Before you criticize Daggett's tax plan, understand that he's proposing to extend the sales tax to include services. The poor spend most of their money on goods, which are already taxable. Daggett would tax more stuff that the rich buy that the poor don't, like accountants, lawyers, limousines and so on.
Furthermore, the vast majority of New Jersey's poor live in urban areas where the sales tax rate is already half of what it is elsewhere in the state.
Finally, high property taxes lead to high rent. So cutting them hardly benefits the rich exclusively.
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Ann Arbor
October 23, 2009 11:08 AM
Wow. Christie can afford a home with annual property taxes of $38,000? If his taxes and home value are in roughly the same proportion as mine, one county away, his home would be worth about $2 million. Not bad for a civil servant.
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dick_data
October 23, 2009 1:01 PM
Sales taxes are unfair because they disproportionatly affect the poor. Property taxes are unfair because they are not based on your ability to pay. That's why taxes should be progressive income taxes - that way they are most likely to be based on your abiltity to pay. Income should be taxed annually, but wealth only when you die (you shouldn't need too much property after death, and your relatives can damn well earn their own money).
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Captain Dan
October 23, 2009 1:55 PM
New Jersey, as does Texas, needs a state revenue tax; I know from personal experience that Texans are too dumb to ever enact one!
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