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There's no way around the fact that today's Senate Finance Committee vote was a major milestone in the five-month long health care reform saga. That much is not in doubt. But in a way, the outcome had been largely pre-determined, and the public focus--from pressure groups and pundits and reporters--has already turned to the next stage in the process: starting tomorrow, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, working with Finance chair Max Baucus, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT), Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), White House officials, and a handful of other people will begin the arduous and crucial task of merging the Senate's two competing bills.

That will likely be a crucial moment for the public option, and that means the story behind the story of the Finance bill's passage is still evolving. We learned today, in a moment of great political theatrics, that Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) decided to support the Baucus bill. What we'll learn in the days and weeks ahead is what that decision means for the substance of the bill going forward.

Here's why it could have significant implications:

Now that Snowe's on board, conservative Democrats have greater cover (or believe they have greater cover) to vote with their party on a divisive issue. Good news for reformers, right? Not necessarily. Nobody really knows what will happen, but there's at least one potential fear. Look out in the coming days (even hours) for centrist senators declaring or hinting that their continued support for reform hinges on Snowe's continued support for reform. And it seems very likely that Snowe's continued support for reform hinges on either a). no public option, or b). a public option affixed to a trigger mechanism, or c). a public option compromise that would allow states to opt-out, or opt-in to a public option. But no true public option, as reformers define it, let alone one that uses Medicare reimbursement rates.

That gives her significant leverage.

Weeks ago the conventional wisdom was that her best bet would have been to oppose the bill at the committee level--that by doing so, she'd ratchet up her bargaining power when the bills moved to the merging stage and then to the floor. Democrats were fairly pessimistic.

But that was when the Democrats were still reeling from the August/pre-August decline in reform's popularity, and Snowe was the great hope to be the 60th vote for passage. Now, Democrats have 60 votes on their own. And so now, the greatest weapon in her arsenal may be the threat that, if leaders move the bill away from her redlines, she'll stand up and say "thus far and no further," scaring conservative Dems away in the process.

That's one theory, anyhow. And for now, that's pretty much all we really have to work with.

Mostly, though, Democrats today seem much more focused on and pleased with the fact that the bill can (finally) move forward than they are with the 42342 dimensional chess game that is the legislative process

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October 13, 2009 5:19 PM   

I dunno. You'd think at some point Reid, etc would realize that if the precedent is set that Olympia Snowe (R-ME) has more leverage over Democratic Congresspersons than the Democratic Majority Leader, then he's apparently got larger problems than just the health care bill.

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October 13, 2009 5:41 PM    in reply to mcc

Larger problem? Like what re-election?

That may be a problem for him, it may be a blessing for Dem's in the Long run.

Majority Leader Durbin has a nice ring to it...

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October 13, 2009 9:54 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

That would be Majority Leader, Dick "our soldiers are like Nazis" Durbin. Or as I like to quip, "Turban" Durbin.
Keep up the good work.

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October 14, 2009 2:05 AM    in reply to shooter242

Hmm. Googling Durbin and "our soldiers are like Nazis" fails to come up with any actual, you know, quotes of him saying that. My Google machine must be broken or something. Weird. Maybe all those Durbin Nazi quotes are 404'd like the future leaders at gop.com.

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October 14, 2009 2:10 AM    in reply to gharlane

Shooter is your typical conservative...when the facts aren't on his side he just starts making stuff as he goes along.

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October 14, 2009 7:55 AM    in reply to Libertine

yeah, life's pretty easy for shooter, he's in a fact-free zone. If things just get uncomfortable, change the subject to something completely unrelated, like shouting "It's Clinton's fault!" or "Durbin said that our soldiers were Nazis".

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October 14, 2009 7:12 AM    in reply to gharlane

Ah, thanks for the opportunity to reprint the entire quote....

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings,"

You can read Durbin's apology here....
Keep up the good work.

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October 14, 2009 7:52 AM    in reply to shooter242

GASP! HORROR!!

Do you mean that Durbin said that our country used TORTURE!? The treasonous TRAITOR!

We would NEVER torture people. Even Dubya said that we don't torture. We're the SHINING CITY ON THE HILL, the SOURCE of all that is GOODNESS and LIGHT.

Durbin should be SHOT for even hinting that any of our brave men or women engaged in torture.

We used verschärfte Vernehmung, or "enhanced interrogation", just like the Geheime Staatspolizei.

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October 14, 2009 11:39 AM    in reply to shooter242

Hey, I like Dick Durbin. Things would be considerably more on the Democratic side if he was in charge. This guy has paid a price for holding to some of his core beliefs, especially a woman's right to choose. He's as honest as a politician gets (and I know that may not be saying a whole lot.)

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October 14, 2009 3:58 AM    in reply to mcc

Yeah, so like Chuck Schumer said in an interview Tuesday evening that it is now up to Reid whether or not to include a public option in the merged bill from the Senate.

And Reid was not certain what he would do at this time.

And that, if a public option is put into this merged bill it would take 60 votes to remove it — and that there are NOT 60 votes in the Senate that would remove it.

The good news: We now where the real pressure for expanding Medicare as a public option needs to be placed.

The bad news: It's Harry Reid.

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October 13, 2009 5:45 PM   

President Snowe is not an idiot. Doing this she MAXIMIZED her leverage. Now EVERY change will have to be run through here because the WH is obsessed with keeping her on board. Not good for reformers.

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October 13, 2009 5:55 PM    in reply to theone718

Also consider that her state is located in the Northeast and to maintain the Repuke obstructionism is to her detriment.

Remember Southern NH, and Southern Maine is starting to be overrun w/ transplants from Massachusetts (fondly referred to a Massholes). It is quite common for these individuals to be from the liberal end of the spectrum and they often still work in Boston and the surrounding area. Combine that w/ the relatively low populations of these 2 states and you start to see thing becoming a deeper shade of Blue.

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October 13, 2009 8:12 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Maine is in love with her ability to act "independantly" she is safe. Very safe.

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October 14, 2009 11:41 AM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Massholes, funny. In Oregon we call transplants from the south Californicators.

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October 13, 2009 6:01 PM    in reply to theone718

She's got leverage, but not unlimited leverage. The Progressives will balance that out. In the end there will probably be some kind of compromise on the PO, but it's looking like a small compromise rather than the larger compromise that seemed to be in the cards just a few short weeks ago. If they wind up with Medicare+5 and an opt-out for states, that's something I can get behind.

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October 13, 2009 6:10 PM    in reply to theone718

Right. "Queen for a Day", now held over. She's not dumb, at least in terms of political guile. If Senate Democrats defer to her on the public public option (her opposition to it), then it comes down to how hard Pelosi and the House want to fight. I also have to wonder what happened at the White House. Was her vote today part of a quid pro quo, sacrificing the public option for a thumbs up today? Imponderable.

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October 13, 2009 6:38 PM    in reply to Tanjaoui

Was her vote today part of a quid pro quo, sacrificing the public option for a thumbs up today? Imponderable.

Next dumb question

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October 13, 2009 11:16 PM    in reply to JohnMcCSF

Because it's imponderable, or because the answer should be obvious (in which case: what is it?).

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October 13, 2009 6:37 PM    in reply to theone718

Ridiculous

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October 13, 2009 6:09 PM   

Snowe is not any damn hero, and I'm so disappointed in tpm for trumpeting that meme on the front page. Now is the time to contact Reid, Baucus, Harkin and Dodd (and the White House) and demand a Voluntary Public Option. Snowe has had her time in front of the TV cameras. It's our turn now.

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October 13, 2009 6:36 PM   

Ezra Klein

Health-care reform will now pass its fifth and final committee. It will have a high-profile Republican supporter in the Senate. There are compromises left to be made, and bad days left to be endured, but health-care reform has the votes. It has them in the House. It has them in the Senate. It looks to have enough of them, in fact, to overcome a filibuster. That is to say, it looks to have enough of them to actually become law.

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October 13, 2009 6:44 PM   

So, we're actually going to pretend like her vote matters in any way?

Okay. Not reality, but whatever.

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October 13, 2009 8:34 PM    in reply to DA in LA

It matters because it increases the chances of beating a filibuster without Lieberman's vote

Sheesh...

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October 13, 2009 6:51 PM   

scaring conservative Dems away in the process.

Nonsense. What would they have to be scared of that they don't already? If they vote for a real public option, then they'll be a lot less likely to receive support from the health insurance industry. That's what they should be worried about, and that will happen no matter what Sen. Snowe does.

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October 13, 2009 7:29 PM   

at this point, it is time for everyone to put there cards on the table.

Let's see what emerges from the combined bills and then we'll finally know where the Whitehouse and the Democrats really stand.

Will they shore up that mandate?

Will they bring a public option available to all?

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October 13, 2009 7:29 PM   

Its pretty pathetic to trumpet getting *1* member of the GOP as "bi-partisan".

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October 13, 2009 10:06 PM    in reply to LBJs Brain

It really is. Just like "50 Republicans + Joe Lieberman or Ben Nelson = bipartisan" was pathetic during the Bush years.

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October 13, 2009 8:33 PM   

H/T Alex Koppelman

RedState.com

Olympia Snowe has sold out the country. Having been banished to our world after Aslan chased her out of Narnia, Snowe is intent on corrupting this place too.

So we should melt her.

What melts snow? Rock salt.

I’m going to ship [a] 5 pound bag of rock salt to her office in Maine. It’s only $3.00. You should join me.

It is a visible demonstration of our contempt for her. First she votes for the stimulus. Now this .... It’s time to melt Snowe.

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October 13, 2009 8:58 PM    in reply to JohnMcCSF

I reckon Sen. Snowe will be thanking those folks come winter.

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October 13, 2009 10:12 PM    in reply to JohnMcCSF

Hee! I love the fact that the wingnuts use up their limited brain power figuring out what the perfect symbolic object is to throw at each issue or politician.

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October 14, 2009 8:04 AM    in reply to JohnMcCSF

RedState - the black hole for intelligence. Once you've passed the event horizon, nothing intelligent can escape.

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October 13, 2009 9:24 PM   

This is all predicated on the notion that the final (and I mean "final") bill will have enough substance to be legitimately called "reform".

It will not. Hence, Snowe's vote today is just a blip on the radar. As a matter of fact, if the final bill contains mandated health insurance (without a strong, contervailing public option) the Democrats will indeed have a short reign and once again, successfully shot themselves in their collective feet.

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October 13, 2009 10:43 PM   

I have a very bad feeling that I'm going to be stopping by the courthouse to terminate my Democratic party affiliation in the near future. Time will tell. This issue is finally make or break for me. I've been hanging in there, thinking that NOW they'll get their act together. Why did I ever think that? I feel like the wife that's been cheated on, over and over.

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October 13, 2009 11:43 PM   

Snowe's vote for the bill is a net gain. It cracks the Republican unanimity. Even though we might lose her if the bill evolves in to something better, the damage to the Republican fortress has already been done. The bill will pick up a bit of public support. The dems need 60 votes to vote for cloture. Any dem who votes against cloture will be responsible for the political disaster sure to follow. Keep up the pressure on the ones who are wobbly in the knees.

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October 13, 2009 11:52 PM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

So cloture is the thing that allows them to vote either up or down, right? Sorry - a little vague on the procedural stuff...

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October 14, 2009 12:16 AM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

What's the point in passing a bad, ineffective bill?

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October 13, 2009 11:59 PM   

Cloture puts an end to the fillibuster. It prevents the Republicans from eternally blocking the bill with debate. We need a majority to pass the bill and 60 votes to stop the Republicans from blocking the bill.

Apparently, if Harry Reid puts the public option in the Senate bill, it will require 60 votes to take it out. Talk to Chuck Schumer about that.

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October 14, 2009 12:22 AM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

Tx. All very confusing to me. I'm just glad it's done. Fuck, this thing went on forever. Now I think/hope Snowe can be brought on board with a default in, opt-out compromise and talked out of the trigger idea, which would only sap momentum for change. And I'm hoping there are ironclad regulations on insurance companies that prevent them from cherry picking. PNPH is convinced the public option might become a dumping ground for the sick and the poor. Private insurance companies should be every bit as regulated as utilities; noone has to go without electricity but health? That's been treated like a commodity up to now.

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October 14, 2009 12:08 AM   

FutureLeaders@GOP.com

Go to the new GOP website and nominate Olympia Snowe as the future leader of the GOP.

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October 14, 2009 12:19 AM   

By the way, I have no health care. I can't afford it. For me, this fight is personal.

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October 14, 2009 12:41 AM   

Reply@ theWalrus asks "What's the point in passing a bad, ineffective bill?"

Yep. I know the feeling. The point is that the final bill might get better than the Senate Finance bill. Somewhere down the road, maybe years from now, the "healt care bill" might get even better than whatever they pass this year. Yep, I know, there are a lot of "ifs" and "maybes." How long did it take for women to get the right to vote or blacks the right to rent a house? It's a long, long struggle, my friend.

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October 14, 2009 6:11 AM   

The goal was always to get a bill out of the Senate Finance Committee so the process could move forward. That happened.

Now except for maybe Snowe, the Republicans are no longer at the table. Either in the House or the Senate. They'll have their chance to speak during floor debate. But, as far as being in the room during the decision making process, they're dead.

If we could ever get a bill out of Finance, the real battle was always going to be what came out of conference and whether or not we needed to leverage reconciliation to get reform done.

The House Bill will at the very least contain a negotiated rates PO (similar to what's in the Senate HELP committee's Bill). The Senate Bill will probably look a lot like what we saw come out of the Finance Committee yesterday, with some modifications.

So conference is where the real dealing will be done.

All we can do is keep up the pressure for a robust PO in the final bill. And let the chips fall where they may.

Progressives, as the base of the Democratic Party, DO carry some weight. We just need to keep reminding the Democratic leadership that there WILL be consequences to blowing us off. In terms of financial support, primary challenges, and energy relative to future agenda items.

Personally, I've made it clear to each fund raising letter and message I've received from the Democrats in Congress that my financial support is contingent on the Democratic Party passing HC reform, inclusive of a strong PO of some kind. And I keep reminding them, its not like we are demanding single payer.

If they can't do at least that, with 256 democrats in the House, 60 democrats in the Senate, and a democratic President, then we need to start contemplating different leaders in our Party.

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October 14, 2009 7:54 AM   

and lieberman has just said he isn't gonna vote for it, claiming obama is just trying to do too much. in his pockets are $3,428,771 true reasons why from the health sector and insurance companies. what a public-minded chum.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/62773-lieberman-opposes-baucus-health-bill

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October 14, 2009 8:56 AM    in reply to pir_anha

Many in Congress will say many things before this is all said and done I'm sure. The bottom line is, it does not matter whether or not Joe Lieberman says he can or cannot support a given version of the HC reform bills (or whether or not ANY Senator in Congress says something similar). All that matters (at least in the Senate) is will they vote for cloture on the Senate floor? Will they support the Democratic Party on a procedural issue so the Bill in the Senate that comes out of the merge, and the Bill that comes out of conference, can receive up or down votes?

If he can't even do that, then he should be voted out of the Democratic caucus and his chair of Homeland Security revolked. Banish him to the Republican Caucus who would dearly love to butt fuck him to no end on a daily basis.

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October 14, 2009 8:44 AM   

Sadly, it will prolly be another ten or so years before the SHeeple actually see any benefit!

RT
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October 14, 2009 9:02 AM   

FYI, referring to the populace as "sheeple" is arrogant, condescending, cynical and juvenile. Please refrain.

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October 14, 2009 11:51 AM   

Okay everyone, take a deep breath. There are 10,000 possibilities right now, from horrible for ordinary people to real progress. I remember during the campaign last year when folks were despairing because it seemed as if Obama was not responding to whatever was happening, but in the end he prevailed very effectively. Keep pushing, keep calling, keep working, but keep hoping, too.

Love, Pollyana

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