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Details are still emerging about President Obama's 90-minute closed-door session with 31 members of Congress today about his plan for Afghanistan, but mentioned in some stories is that Sen. John McCain had a terse exchange with his onetime rival.

Both the New York Times and Politico are reporting tonight that McCain (R-AZ) suggested Obama was making the decision about whether to send a surge of troops at a "leisurely" pace and was rebuffed.

While disputing the suggestion of a tense moment, sources confirmed the general sense of the exchange -- and that Obama assured everyone that he was moving as quickly as he believes prudence allows.

TPMDC checked in with McCain spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan, who said the senator was "astonished" by early reports characterizing the exchange as an argument because they aren't accurate. The White House also suggested there weren't any fireworks.

Buchanan said her boss told the president he didn't think the U.S. could afford to "take a leisurely pace in deciding" given the recent casualties in Afghanistan.

She characterized the meeting as both somber and serious, but said it was constructive and no one interrupted anyone.

"Senator McCain does not recall the situation being that way," Buchanan said, responding to the reports.

Buchanan said McCain offered the same assessment he's been saying publicly, quoting Adm. Mullen's recent testimony that "Time is not on our side."

A White House aide agreed with that readout, telling TPMDC that Obama told the group there would be nothing leisurely about his choice since, "No one feels more urgency to get this right."

In another exchange, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) reminded the group that former President George W. Bush took three months to decide if he was going to send a surge of troops to Iraq.

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-MA) said everyone at the table in the State Dining Room shouldered part of the responsibility for the decision.

A Senate aide told TPMDC that Kerry said, "Mr. President, this is your ultimate decision, but it's shared by the Congress because together we have to hold together the consent of the American people for this policy, that's one of the lessons of Vietnam."

McCain later said he disagreed with his colleague. "This is your decision - your sole decision," he told Obama.

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October 6, 2009 10:59 PM   

So Kerry tells the president that the decision rests with him, but Congress shares the responsibility. McCain says, "This is your decision - your sole decision." Sounds statesmanlike.

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October 6, 2009 11:23 PM    in reply to fbacon2

If this were a more intelligent/policy-oriented Republican we were talking about, I might see it as an expression of the general GOP fetishization of unilateral Executive action on foreign policy. Such a remark would merit both praise for consistency (that is, sticking by the position even though there's now a Democrat in the White House), and criticism for subverting the checks and balance framework which is intended to promote prudent decision making, on foreign policy as elsewhere.

However, because this is McCain, the remark likely had no deeper symbolism--he was just tossing it out because he's a contrarian dick.

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October 7, 2009 12:17 AM    in reply to SS451

McCain's press person then called for a "surge" of press releases.

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October 7, 2009 11:29 AM    in reply to fbacon2

McCain translation: "I will not support you no matter what you decide." Republicans are such patriots (when it serves their political purposes).

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October 6, 2009 11:17 PM   

I guess everything McCain said in his concession speech on election night, all that stuff about supporting his president, was a lie.

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October 6, 2009 11:55 PM   

Nice smackdown by Senator Levin. McMore war is a loser, a crazy old man, an ass who was so incompetent compared to his father and grandfather, he got shot down and captured, and has been trying to make up for it ever since. Drop dead old man and I mean that literally! General McCrystal works for Obama and the American people...not the other way around. Bush was the idiots who deferred to the military. As Obama is showing you, that's not how it's done! Your're a useless piece of dead weight who's time has long since passed. Remember that Obama curshed you and your party of ignorant inbreds. Just like your party of klansmen!

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October 7, 2009 11:18 PM    in reply to roxanne

There other, more suitable sites for this kind of vitriol. Please leave it there.

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October 6, 2009 11:59 PM   

"McCain Spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan ..."

Pardon my cynicism, yet nepotism among the village elite is fairly notorious these days. This wouldn't be some granddaughter of Pat Buchanan, now would it?

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October 7, 2009 12:06 AM    in reply to featherfamily

buchanan is childless. so i doubt it.

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October 7, 2009 12:22 AM    in reply to Josh Marshall

these things sometimes skip a generation?

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October 7, 2009 3:01 AM    in reply to Josh Marshall

Buchanan is barren...

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October 7, 2009 11:39 AM    in reply to Josh Marshall

Pat Buchanan has a sister Bay who herself has three kids, so it's possible that we do have a little family resemblance. Speaking of Halloween, the two Buchanan siblings have a great joint costume. Bay is in front, saying nay, and Pat is in back, serving as horse's ass.

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October 7, 2009 12:14 AM   

Who cares what McCrashedthreeplanes thinks.

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October 7, 2009 12:18 AM   

If this representation of Senator McCain's comment is accurate, then he has effectively waived any meaningful claim to criticize both the President and the policy, and cannot assert any credit for a positive outcome. Nor—and this is quite likely the key—can he be held responsible for an adverse outcome.

Memo to Senator McCain:

Thank you for your contribution. And, abdication. Now, shut the hell up!

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October 7, 2009 12:38 AM   

So McCain told his Commander-in-Chief that he wouldn't stand with him in a time of war? Country first!

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October 7, 2009 12:56 AM   

"together we have to hold together the consent of the American people for this policy"

Think maybe somebody oughta tell Sen. Kerry that a majority of the American people already oppose the war and do not support the current policy let alone a policy that would extend the losing American presence there?

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October 7, 2009 2:28 AM   

What a bunch of frikkin' lunatics. ALL OF THEM. What are we doing in Afghanistan? We should be pulling out. No more young American lives should be wasted there. It's senseless and a terrible tragedy brought on by the Bush administration. There's no "win-able" war there. We shoud be getting out. Right now.

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October 7, 2009 9:01 AM    in reply to theWalrus

Fighting the return to power of people who aided and abetted the murder of 3000 Americans and who throw acid into the faces of little girls for the sin of wanting an education. Oh, and also people who want to take over a neighboring country that has about eighty poorly guarded nuclear weapons without failsafes.

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October 7, 2009 12:02 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Usually I agree with you but not now. Lack of medical insurance kills more than 3000 Americans every few weeks. 9/11 is an overblown incident as a killer, though not symbolically as an invasion. (And yes, I was peripherally affected -- my son had to stay with me three months because he could not stay in his Battery Park apartment until it was cleared and my sister lost three friends in the WTC.)

Horrific abuse of women occurs throughout the world, so why would abuses in Afghanistan merit killing American soldiers and wasting money in a probably unwinnable war? Just yesterday Secretary Clinton was complaining about systemic rape in Guinea, yet we would never consider using force to fix the situation there.

Lastly, Pakistan may be a mess, but its nuclear arsenal is reportedly well guarded.

Fact is, we're in Afghanistan now primarily because we've been there for eight years and leaving is an admission of defeat. Better to pay big bucks for local intelligence in order to send occasional cruise missiles into training camps, so as to destabilize them. We don't need to destroy Al Qaeda so much as keep it under control. In fact, we'll probably never be able to destroy all anti-American terrorism, just as we have not destroyed all crime, all poverty, all ignorance.

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October 7, 2009 12:07 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

And you think a troop surge will accomplish any of these goals? If we're now using the military to prevent local thugs from oppressing their citizens, let's reinstate conscription and send a couple of million American troops to central Africa. What's going on there makes Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic.

As for fighting al Quaeda, they are no longer in Afghanistan by all reports. And if they return, targeted strikes from a small base in central Asia (of which we already have over 20) should keep them from reorganizing in any meaningful way.

Finally, if we are honestly concerned about a possible Taliban takeover of the Pakistan government (which I think is just fear-mongering, BTW), then aid the Pakistani government in preventing the Taliban from gaining influence there.

We've bitten off way more than we can chew in the "Global War on Terror" or whatever they're calling it today. It's time to declare it won and begin a massive pull back from the region.

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October 7, 2009 3:33 AM   

This is why JMM hired C Bellatoni -- digging for the real story, tightening up the reporting, and walking back the spin and faux disputes that Politico et al thrive on. Excellent pro job, CB!

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October 7, 2009 9:01 AM    in reply to nadezhda

Agree 100%. TPM needs a check on Politico's manufactured bullshit, not an enabler. Good job, CB!

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October 7, 2009 5:43 AM   

Of course this now means ABC and NBC will invite loser McCain to their Sunday talk shows this Sunday, per usual. For the umpteenth time.

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October 7, 2009 8:56 AM   

We don't really know what was said, nor do we understand the context in which the discussions took place. Whoever is leaking this information has their own agendas.

It's ok to speculate, but drawing any conclusions is about as specious as it gets. Having said that, whatever we do next in Afghanistan and Pakistan (you can't separate those decisions) should be carefully debated. Those situations are very tough problems.

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October 7, 2009 9:06 AM   

Someone in the WH should make sure that one of those ubiquitous WaPo Election Night Commemorative Editions is in McCain's chair every time he is invited to 1600 Penna. He seems to have a thing for getting chesty with President Obama that dates back to the campaign... But the campaign is over. And McCain lost. And elections matter. So while I think it's great that he has opinions, and it's noble of Obama to invite him to share them, I think the distinguished gentleman from the great state of Arizona should remember which chair we, the voters, think he should occupy.

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October 7, 2009 9:13 AM   

Is Obama's term over? It sure seems that way.

The President is acting like a lame duck President, completely incapable of making decisions, kicking the ball down the road on almost every policy decision.

Afghanistan: no withdrawal, no surge -- let the next President make the hard decision.

Health care: leave it up to the Congress, all the while giving signals to the Blue Dogs that the Public Option is "not essential", while telling the Progressives that he still backs a Public Option.

Gitmo: We'll close it . . . eventually.

Don't ask, don't tell: don't ask.

I thought those that were making comparisons to Jimmy Carter were a bit premature -- no more. Both the President, and the economy are acting like the late seventies alloveragain. And we know what that got us: 12 years of Republicans in the White House.

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October 7, 2009 9:33 AM    in reply to numediaman

Sounds like a little toddler: I want it now now now!!!!

If you don't get instant gratification you cry and take your ball home.

Always taking the 2-minute down the road point of view.

Not just you, but the press. Obama goes on vacation and the wailign starts: "Where's Obama????? Should he be going on vacation now?????"

He comes back and appears on TV too much: "Obama overexposed????"

So childish, so unable to persevere.

Makes me proud to be an American sometimes.

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October 7, 2009 9:54 AM    in reply to AnswerFrog

It makes me very proud to be an American, knowing that the President is someone who has the critical thinking skills to actually assess and evaluate data and come up with a long term strategic plan, rather than just jumping at any tactical move a General suggests.

Obama is acting like a prudent President who knows the gravity of the decisions he makes and who will take the time to figure out an effective plan rather than to just ACT on the basis of some current crisis mode.

Gitmo is not closed due to Congress, Congress will not FUND the closing nor even bringing those folks here to trial. Obama has been decisive...unfortunately we have a Democracy and the President can't tell Congress what to do.

Same on healthcare, the President can't tell Congress what to do. It is Congresses job to legislate. Obama has no long standing ties with Congress or the Senate to push anything. He is using the right strategy to let Congress do their job. Obama has consistently said he will sign a bill with a public Option. He can't be any more decisive than that. All the rest of these folks sounding like chickenlittles and handwringing and secondguessing are just plain morons, who lack the ability to see the long game and constantly want an air game when legislation is a ground game. You have to slog it out. Obama has made more progress on healthcare than any President in 60 years!! All 4 Senate cmtes, have a bill and so does the House. Obama has not wavered, but he has made Congress do their jobs.

Lastly, McCrystal needs to STFU,he is asking for more troops even before those previously requested have all been sent. America is sick of war and Obama knows...the more war...the less domestic reform policies!

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October 7, 2009 11:23 PM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

right on

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October 7, 2009 10:06 AM   

You are both right: I can wait another three years before the troops come home; I can wait another three years before gays are no longer discriminated against; I can wait another three years before Americans can have decent health care.

Oops, if we wait another three years before anything gets done the Republicans will be in power and none of this will get done.

I guess, following your logic, that it is better that Democrats fail to pass their agenda than having Republicans in power . . . doing the same thing.

Sorry, I don't buy it. You can cheerlead Obama all you want, that's your right. But think about this: 11 months ago we were on the same side; 11 months later I am in the opposition. How many more Democrats do you want to lose before you urge the President to do something to move his campaign agenda along?

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October 7, 2009 12:39 PM    in reply to numediaman

What you are asking for is immediate gratification. Progress takes time, patience, and most importantly perseverence.

If people quit when the going gets tough, you will never accomplish anything. The side which is most resilient, determined, and never quits ultimately wins.

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October 7, 2009 10:41 AM   

After we've been in Afghanistan for eight years, it takes a certain amount of nerve for someone to point out, "Time is not on our side." That's been blindingly obvious for quite a few years already, yet the problem lands on the new guy's desk.

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October 7, 2009 11:33 AM   

This is a poorly written article with several fragments and run-on sentences. The writer's style is awkward and detracts from the details being conveyed.

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October 7, 2009 12:01 PM   

I suppose it is too much to hope for to expect the administration to clearly define the goal in Afghanistan. Sure, there are some bad guys there, and in Pakistan. That isn't new. We supported Pakistan to the tune of billions of dollars, most of which apparently went into private bank accounts, for many years. There were bad guys there all during that time, and the spread of nuclear weapons to radical governments accelerated, thanks to Pakistan. That seems to prove that we are there to stop some bad guys.

So, what the hell are we there for, in plain English, with demonstrable facts to back it up? When I get to read the answer to that, if that answer makes good sense, I am behind Obama all the way. I'm not holding my breath.

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October 7, 2009 12:03 PM   

Sorry: last sentence, first paragraph, insert "not" after "are".

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October 7, 2009 12:36 PM   

We should all listen to McCain. After all, he thought Sarah Palin would make a great VP.

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