White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs issued a statement reacting to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's press conference on health care:
"The President congratulates Senator Reid and Chairmen Baucus and Dodd for their hard work on health insurance reform. Thanks to their efforts, we're closer than we've ever been to solving this decades-old problem. And while much work remains, the President is pleased that at the progress that Congress has made. He's also pleased that the Senate has decided to include a public option for health coverage, in this case with an allowance for states to opt out. As he said to Congress and the nation in September, he supports the public option because it has the potential to play an essential role in holding insurance companies accountable through choice and competition."

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tosh
October 26, 2009 3:59 PM
Penny fucking late.
John
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cdub
October 26, 2009 4:03 PM in reply to tosh
Oh please - he's always said that he supports the public option - he's just letting Congress do their job for once.
They are separate branches of government remember...
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Why oh why
October 26, 2009 4:18 PM in reply to cdub
Why was Rahm Emanuel cutting deals in secret with health care lobbyists, before debate on the "reform" even began, if Obama was "just letting Congress do their job for once"?
And by the way, where were the CSPAN cameras during those meetings?
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KQuark
October 27, 2009 1:43 AM in reply to tosh
Right you will be complaining the president does not support a public option AFTER he signs it into law.
Late what a laugh when the president singlehandedly brought the public option back from the dead after August.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:02 PM
But TPM you told be otherwise, your "anonymous sources" told me otherwise anyways?
I think one of these days you have to admit, the story was posted without any context with an intent to drive up traffic.
WH concern seems lack of votes in the Senate to pass a PO included bill and the concern still remains. But now that Harry is out in public, I think reconciliation should considered if they have to [I admit I am not aware of all the procedural hassles and understand it is not as it sounds in principle].
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lousgirl84
October 26, 2009 4:10 PM in reply to kash79
TPM is more likely to admit it but it will happen again. I am disappointed in TPM for doing this. It is why I left Huffpo. It has become the equivalent of Page 6 of the New York Post
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neesy08
October 26, 2009 4:14 PM in reply to lousgirl84
i never believed the report. it sounded like something a conservative would say. i was shocked while surfing the net, i fond that all of the so called liberal" blogs had this as a major story. did they not check their sources?
the article sounded as if somebody was trying to kill the po and make obama and the wh look as if they were back peddling. who but a gop supporter would do that think about it?
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lousgirl84
October 26, 2009 4:36 PM in reply to neesy08
Me neither, but those of us who didn't were called aplogosists and loyalists.
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KQuark
October 27, 2009 1:47 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Exactly I can got to HP for sensational headlines and incomplete stories based on anonymous sources.
TPM was self serving and just wanted to build a name for itself in this case.
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Dorn76
October 26, 2009 4:16 PM in reply to kash79
I would be very interested in any follow up. At the least I would think there's a story in there somewhere, as it appears someone has been caught telling tales.
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again
October 26, 2009 4:19 PM in reply to kash79
But Kash,
Why, then, did Ezra Klein and TNR also report it? Or is it just that you don't like any stories that challenge blind faith in the President - even when doing so would actually help motivate people to pressure the President to make good on his promises?
Those of us who recall the Clinton years also recall how our failure to hold Clinton to his promises ended up with some major disasters.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:26 PM in reply to again
I am not as big a fan of the president as you think. My understanding is that the story based on the anonymous links first appeared on TPM, I wouldn't be surprised if others (Ezra or TNR) would try to connect the dots based on their own "sources" once one news outlet makes it public.
But the bigger point, you failed to notice. It is the lack of context in the TPM reporting, despite breaking news or not.
The key sentence in Ezra's reporting was the sentence "I hope Harry, you know what you're doing" That gave some context. TPM made is sound Obama was willfully working against the public option, but in context the major concern seemed whether Harry can get the required votes to pass the bill, if PO were included.
By the way, that major concern still exists and all of us should do whatever we can to address it.
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October 26, 2009 4:32 PM in reply to kash79
"By the way, that major concern still exists and all of us should do whatever we can to address it."
That would include, one hope, the President's efforts.
Unfortunately, I have to judge the President by his inability to even utter the words "public option" at a recent fundraiser here in San Francisco a week and a half ago, followed by his inability to utter the words "public option" in his Saturday media appearance, followed by the -whoops - omission of the words "public option" in OFA scripts for national phonebanking, followed by his pathetic speech to us after the phonebanking effort.
Perhaps we'll agree to disagree.
I'm also disgusted with his appointment of Tim Geithner to Treasury (obviously) and his dismissal of the incredibly common sense points that Volcker has made.
It's a disgrace.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:38 PM in reply to again
It seems you remember Clinton years, I don't. I was too young. But it seems, from what I'm told, the biggest mistake of Clinton was he was too forthcoming and predominantly tried to enforce his bill on to the Senate, which never bodes well.
By the way, it is not about personalities but results. So far, despite bumps along the way, this is on a very decent track. We are closer than ever in the past fifty years toward healthcare reform. If you start from a point, to hate someone, it is very hard to change your mind.
Anyways, the point I made was tpm reporting, when you start diverting to SFO speech and Tim Giethner, irrespective of whether I agree with you or not, we are just moving into another debate based on disagreements on the current debate, which is useless. You're more than welcome to hate the president, I don't.
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October 26, 2009 4:47 PM in reply to kash79
"If you start from a point, to hate someone, it is very hard to change your mind."
That is a wild assumption on your part.
Let me get this straight - anyone who criticizes the influence that lobbyists have on the President "hates" the President.
Please. That's unfair, and you know it.
My point is that I want the President I worked for to meet his promises.
And looking at the handling of the banks, it is very difficult to assume that he is on track to meet his promises. So no, it is not "off track" to bring that up.
There were many problems from the Clinton administration. The problem was not that we loyal Democrats "hated" Clinton, or his "personality" - the problem was that we did not hold him to his word.
That is a recipe for disaster with this President, as well. Perhaps you will learn after experience, but we already have learned a few hard lessons. And we're not going to make the same mistakes this time.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:52 PM in reply to again
I used word because you said "disgust" and I'm not happy with the entire Bank fiasco, frankly despite reading some I still am not sure how his actions to rescue big banks "saved the economy." By the way, there are other things I'm happy about the administration as well.
But I think this is a different issue: there have been moments when I've been unhappy, but also very cautious of judging the WH too quickly, especially when we they have done a good job overall. Anyways, the issue was about TPM's bad reporting, and it was very bad reporting.
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October 26, 2009 5:00 PM in reply to kash79
Then so was Ezra Klein and TNR.
But I trust all three - Josh, Ezra, and TNR. And I'm not selective - when they bring me news I don't want to hear - I consider their experience and their judgment.
Some people aren't able to.
But no, disgust with an incompetent handling of the banks does not equal hate. And you should know that. And I suspect you do.
But it was convenient for you to claim that I "hate" the President.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 26, 2009 5:34 PM in reply to again
I'd be interested to know what exactly is it that you think should have been done with, to or about the banks that has you so exorcised. But, frankly, I only want to know so I can argue with you and a) that's OT and b) this thread is already ridiculously skinny.
Reader blog, maybe?
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lousgirl84
October 26, 2009 4:42 PM in reply to again
You wouldn't give him any credit for anything. Who are you kidding??? Sour grapes anyone.
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October 26, 2009 4:49 PM in reply to lousgirl84
You wouldn't conceive of analysing what's been going on if it involves criticizing him for anything.
As for "who are you kidding"? We might as well ask the same question of you.
As for your reference to sour grapes, we'll judge the grapes based on their acid/sugar ratio, and not on fantasy.
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Dorn76
October 26, 2009 4:05 PM
Now that Harry Reid has heroically crushed the White House's reported opposition to the Public Option, they really have no choice but to capitulate to his awesomeness.
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to Dorn76
He's so powerful! No longer the limp-wristed faux leader, he's now the champion of health reform! Funny, and all those polls out there in Nevada have him getting hammered. I wonder just a little bit whether the White House thought the image of a stronger Reid would in turn pay dividends for him -- and them -- next year. I wonder ...
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ttarleton
October 26, 2009 4:12 PM in reply to jerryfatheart
A nice bit of political theater on the part of the Obama gang, sez I!
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 4:06 PM
But ... but ... where are the anonymous sources?
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 4:11 PM in reply to jerryfatheart
Based on what's posted on the main page, they're still more inclined to believe their "sources."
As others have noted, Obama has consistently supported the PO. The MEDIA has parsed and parsed and parsed his words and the White House's position, but it's been consistent.
Furthermore, the reporting about the WH opposing Reid's efforts just simply didn't make sense. Obama's campaign arm (OFA) made a huge push for the public option. Why would he ask them to engage the fight, only to oppose their efforts?
Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 4:15 PM in reply to hewhohasnoname
Not to mention that Valerie Jarrett, one of Obama's absolute closest advisers, went on TV last week and said in no uncertain terms that Obama was committed to the P.O.
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 4:24 PM in reply to jerryfatheart
Exactly. It's as if the media doesn't understand that sometimes people leak things to them to manipulate them or the political process, particularly during sensitive negotiations.
Leaks are not only ways to get information out; they are often strategic.
It would be nice if the media at least pretended to understand this.
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October 26, 2009 4:24 PM in reply to hewhohasnoname
Define "huge push" for the public option.
Do you mean when they funneled all their efforts into food bank volunteerism during the winter and spring, with apparently no clue as to what was coming from the right?
Or do you mean when they sat on their hands all summer while the tea partiers got active - VERY active?
Or do you mean when people within OFA had to print up material that read "public option" because national scripts for last week's phone-banking didn't include it?
Just wondering.
We love the individuals we worked with who stayed with OFA - but we're right to question the group's national leadership. Don't believe me? Ask Adam Green.
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 4:28 PM in reply to again
I'm talking about Congress "getting completely crushed" with 200,000+ phone calls recently to lobby for the public option at a crucial point in the legislation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/ofa-healthcare-phonebank_b_327418.html
Could they have been more active during the Summer? Sure. But, are they active now, when it matters the most? Yes, they are quite active.
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October 26, 2009 4:34 PM in reply to hewhohasnoname
But they didn't. National scripts didn't include the words "public option." They did in California, because OFA wants our money, but they didn't nationally.
It does not help OFA or the President to rubber stamp everything they do.
We will hold onto our money, and we will be working with other groups until OFA "finds itself."
And yes, it did matter in the spring and summer.
Too little, too late.
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 5:09 PM in reply to again
No one is "rubber stamping" what they do. But, you're faulting them for not being engaged, when there is evidence that they are.
Just as "rubber stamping" is not beneficial, hyper-criticism serves no one well either. The calls probably helped sway or strengthen the positions of Congresspersons. I won't apologize for noting that.
Additionally, with regard to the call script, it asked people to call Congress and tell them that they "support President Obama's plan on health insurance reform." The plan that Obama laid out before Joint Session of Congress included a public option. [Obama has been consistent in his support for one as the "best" way to rein in costs and increase competition.] Thus, the calls were implicitly supporting a public option. But, beyond that, people are EXPLICITLY voicing support for a public option during their calls (see article). Approximately 4 out of 5 calls included specific demands for the public option.
With regard to OFA being more active during the Summer, I think it would have been a good thing, too. It would have helped shape media coverage; nevertheless, reform was probably never as close to failure as the media was portraying it to be... But, the Summer's over. Now, it's more important for OFA to be engaged to shape the final legislation, and they are.
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October 26, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to hewhohasnoname
"Thus, the calls were implicitly supporting a public option."
That is the problem- they were not explicitly supporting a public option, per the instructions on the call scripts. Unless you were in California, where OFA knows that rebuilding its donor base relies on including it.
To wish problems away, and to accuse people who rightly are upset about Geithner's appointment, (and about Volcker's near-banishment, about the refusal of the President to be more active in support of the public option, as well as a HOST of other problems) of being "hypercritical" is to ignore the relevant facts.
Ask yourself where OFA's donations base is now. Then think about what should be done to fix it. Part of that is an acknowledgement that they have made some serious mis-steps.
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 6:48 PM in reply to again
"That is the problem- they were not explicitly supporting a public option, per the instructions on the call scripts. Unless you were in California, where OFA knows that rebuilding its donor base relies on including it."
You've framed this as if there was a nefarious attempt of the national OFA office to prevent people from voicing support for a public option. "Per the instructions on the call scripts?" The call scripts explicitly instructed people not to lobby for the public option? If you have documentation of this, I'd love to see it.
And, no one is "wishing problems away." I'm keenly aware of the liberal (and conservative) critiques of Obama and his administration. But, I don't waver in asserting that some making those accusations are indeed hypercritical. [The ridiculous parsing of his words and actions seeking to find some "evidence" that he is "selling out the people," all while disregarding public efforts and official information that contradicts that notion comes to mind.] It seems that people are too often neglecting or diminishing the realities of governing and navigating the politics necessary for successful governance, particularly in a nation that is skeptical of government. How do those "relevant fact[s]" factor into your critique?
Just as you're free to criticize most, if not everything, that Obama does and even to neglect information that conflicts those critiques (e.g., nationalizing the banks was actually not necessary; reform of Wall Street's "too big to fail" banks is still on track; many everyday Americans actually benefit from Wall Street doing well since they have employee stock retirement plans, etc.), I'm free to point out what I believe to be hyper-criticism that does not adequately, if at all, take the realities of our political process into account.
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The Decider
October 26, 2009 4:08 PM
I always thought that having separate branches of government created bureaucratic schizophrenia. Government works best when you have a single decider plan.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to The Decider
Lol!
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 4:11 PM
I wonder what kind of PO Reid put in the bill.
And what the Coop is. Are they the same?
Etc.
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October 26, 2009 4:20 PM in reply to Indie Pro
A co-op is not at all the same as a public option.
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 4:31 PM in reply to again
no doubt
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 5:01 PM in reply to again
w/ baucus saying he always supported a PO, I wonder if the it is his Coop that Reid was talking about today when he said Coops are in the bill?
I wish I had seen the presser
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sherifffruitfly
October 26, 2009 4:19 PM
Hilarious that TPM is still rumormongering that Obama is against this.
I knew things change when you got to the big leagues - but I honestly didn't expect it to be quite that fast.
I loved you TPM, but you're just another MSM outlet now.
It's perfectly Kuhnian, I suppose, so I really shouldn't be all that surprised.
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Buckeye Terrorist Fist Jab Nation
October 26, 2009 4:24 PM in reply to sherifffruitfly
Word.
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October 26, 2009 4:26 PM in reply to sherifffruitfly
Why, then, did Ezra Klein and TNR also report it?
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fbacon2
October 26, 2009 5:10 PM in reply to again
Ezra and TNR reported different aspects of the story, colored by different contexts and subjective interpretations. TPM was all about how the WH was pushing back hard and issuing "thin" denials. Ezra was all about how the WH was worried about Reid not having the votes. And TNR's Cohn was focused more on jostling between different meetings and stakeholders and generic whining from the Hill that the WH wanted them to do their jobs.
Add to this an echo chamber effect and a few siren-blazing headlines, and now the Reid somehow has "defied" the president, I guess. Everybody wants to claim they were right all along, I guess, but TPM is hardly innocent in trying to stir the pot on the PO.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:29 PM in reply to sherifffruitfly
Word, me too. And if they are happy now with heavy traffic in the past few days, they should know it doesn't abode well in the long run.
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Shrubbit
October 26, 2009 4:31 PM in reply to sherifffruitfly
Totally. Next thing you know, TPM will be hiring reporters from the Washington Times. Oh wait...
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 4:54 PM in reply to sherifffruitfly
Unless presented in an SNL skit, David Kurtz just won't get it.
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lousgirl84
October 26, 2009 4:37 PM
I am surprised no one is jumping all over the 'Pleased" in the headline/.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 4:56 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Or that why Gates? Where is Obama? Why is he hiding?
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lousgirl84
October 26, 2009 4:58 PM
Yeah, really!!
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fbacon2
October 26, 2009 5:15 PM
Let me add that Kurtz's headline on this story, "If you can't beat'em, join'em?" is utter BS, especially with that Kudlow Question Mark.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 26, 2009 5:29 PM
I'm repeating myself, but I think TPM's failure was one of completeness rather than accuracy.
TPM continues to be impressed with the quality, or at least the level of access of its sources and continues to communicate that faith to the maximum extent it can without blowing them.
However, subsequent reporting by others made it clear that the "pushback" was due to the White House's concern that Reid didn't (and still may not) have the votes and preferred the certainty of getting a Senate bill with a trigger into conference, where they could fix it, to the risk that a couple of Senators could kill the whole thing. They feared that the choice in the Senate wasn't between 60 votes and 61, but, rather between 58 and 61.
To a senior staffer or Senator who'd broken his butt trying to round up the votes, this lack of faith would have been infuriating and that clearly affected POV of the person or persons giving the leaks as well as their assessment (or at least depiction) of the White House's motives.
The problem with the story thus evidently wasn't with the basic facts of TPM's reporting, but, rather, with the impression--which happens to fit quite neatly into the models in the heads of some here--that the the opposition was due to hostility to the public option per se rather than a disagreement over legislative tactics.
Josh later seemed to indicate that this was at least a possible basis for the White House opposition it reported, though the tone of the story was quite to the contrary and David still seems committed to the "White House Secretly Hates Public Option and/or is Smitten With Snowe" theory.
Speaking as a guy who's been on the "inside" of a few things that were getting reported in the press and, in every case, who found himself reading the reports and saying "WTF?" here's the thing you have to keep in mind when you read this stuff, here or anywhere.
In a big story like this with this many moving parts, even a source who isn't deliberately trying to spin the reporter (though they often are) and is just relating the truth as they understand it still just has a piece of the picture. The source is just just one of the proverbial blind guys describing an elephant. Unfortunately, in a fast moving story, if the reporter takes the time to find out what the other blind guys think about the elephant, he could end up going from having a hot scoop to getting scooped.
It's a dilemma as old as journalism. Except that that in the old days, depending on how close to deadline he was when he got the quote, the reporter often had the better part a day to figure stuff out whereas on the Internet you've got about sixteen seconds.
The tricky bit for a reporter is forcing themselves to set aside their own preconceived notions about the likely ropiness of the eliphant and accept that the guy insistantly and authoratatively screaming "it's a rope! It's a rope! An elephant is like a rope, dammit, a rope!" almost certainly just has hold of the tail of the story. The problem ist that, on one hand, folding that reality into the story usually compromises the impact in a business where you get paid for being noticed but, on the other, if you don't it's very likely you'll be eating at least a bite of crow when other people get around to talking to the guys who had hold of the trunk or were touching the side.
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kash79
October 26, 2009 5:38 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I must add, this sort of knee-jerk reporting is a leaf out of Huffpo..It is safe to say Huffpo despite all the uproar has not much credibility left, and TPM may end up compromising credibility for traffic too..a.k.a. MSM
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 5:40 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
you guys should stop commenting in protest ;)
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cube3u
October 26, 2009 5:46 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Good analysis. I would add that as the individual's experience with his/her sources grow, then a healthy degree of skepticism will develop--particularly with sources who are often wrong.
Any of us with a healthy dose of skepticism are slow to jump and quick to ask how it makes sense. If you have experience as a reporter, as I do, that skepticism develops quickly and lasts a lifetime.
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fbacon2
October 26, 2009 6:38 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Yes, sir. Accurate but incomplete. Pretty much sums it up, plus a few blazing-siren-headlines.
Replied to Josh earlier with about the same thing.
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Flybynite
October 26, 2009 5:31 PM
It's also the case that Obama can't afford to appear too gleeful about the PO without seriously offending Snowe, who did go out on a limb, after all. He still may need her vote on this bill, and certainly on others. HCR is in a pretty damned good place, some of you are way too hard on the Prez. Give the man a break, he's getting it done.
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666dorado
October 26, 2009 5:45 PM
perhaps TPM and TMZ should join forces in the gossip mill...
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toddincabo
October 26, 2009 6:53 PM
I think the O administration beautifully played all those talking heads and media in general regarding the trigger talk from The White House.
Obama has popularity to burn, while Reed is in a bit of trouble, so they set him up perfectly to look strong.
Set up or not...Go Reed GO!
It's gonna be fun to watch Chucky Boy Todd try to act like he knows anything. HA!
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/26/reid-the-public-option-wi_n_334284.html
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hewhohasnoname
October 26, 2009 7:02 PM in reply to toddincabo
I think you're right. The leaks may have been intended to boost Reid. I've always believed that they were strategic. I think today may have revealed the strategy.
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