Liz Cheney called out President Obama for his early-morning trip to honor fallen soldiers arriving at Dover Air Force Base yesterday, suggesting President Bush honored America's heroes with a bit more class than his successor.
Cheney, on Fox News Radio's John Gibson Show yesterday:
"I think that what President Bush used to do is do it without the cameras. And I don't understand sort of showing up with the White House Press Pool with photographers and asking family members if you can take pictures. That's really hard for me to get my head around...It was a surprising way for the president to choose to do this."
It's not clear exactly what Cheney is referring to when she says, "Bush used to do it without the cameras."
It's true that Bush's Pentagon continued a long-standing policy of banning cameras at Dover when the nation's fallen arrived in flag-draped caskets from foreign battlefields. (Upon taking office, Obama lifted the ban.)
So that covers "without the cameras."
But as CBS's Mark Knoller reported yesterday, Obama was the first president to visit arriving dead at Dover during the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq -- meaning that when it came to taking trips to Dover like Obama did yesterday morning, Bush never used to "do it" at all.
Here's the audio of Cheney (h/t Gateway Pundit):
mans_best_friend
October 30, 2009 10:37 AM
So Bush wouldn't allow reporters to take pictures of all those caskets because he was noble. Could have fooled me.
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rynato
October 30, 2009 11:07 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Bush honored our troops by ignoring them.
Also, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.
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Big River Bandido
October 30, 2009 11:59 AM in reply to rynato
And in Liz Cheney's world, work makes you free.
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JeffB
October 30, 2009 12:39 PM in reply to Big River Bandido
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Is Fox News promoting hate?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6399
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greysells2
October 30, 2009 3:28 PM in reply to Big River Bandido
And Ms. Cheney has unsurpassed powers of mind reading ability. I learned long ago not to attribute motives to others. Because...? Motives are very complex and human motivation is seldom only one thing but a constellation of several things interacting. The more complex the person or the situation, the more likely the motives are to be complex. Best just to ask the person, "What motivated you to say/do that?" And the answer, at least partially honest, will contain at least part of the reasons that motivated them.
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mJJ
October 31, 2009 11:32 PM in reply to greysells2
Actually, there is the matter of records available as to where both Cheney and Bush went and when they left the White House. I shall believe your lukewarm defense of your daddy Liz, if you convince both your dad's boss and your dad to release their records of when and the destination of where they went. Even as a Republican, I shall NOT hold my breath until it happens or I shall turn blue and still the records will never be released. Of course, Obama, who is so much more transparent, has already published a list of visitors to the White House.
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Tim
October 30, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to Big River Bandido
Strength through joy, etc...
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GregorZap
October 30, 2009 11:34 PM in reply to Big River Bandido
You do know that "Work will set you free" is what they have over the arches entering Auschwitz, yes?
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John Crandell
October 31, 2009 9:22 PM in reply to Big River Bandido
I hope that her 500 watt vibrator short-circuits!
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3star2nr
October 30, 2009 12:14 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Man this woman is such a bitch.
Obama going to dover to see the dead coming back from Cheney's war is some how controversial. And she as usual isnt getting the facts straight, we only have this footage because one family allowed it to be filmed.
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Tim
October 30, 2009 5:23 PM in reply to 3star2nr
As I recall, at a national debate with John Edwards, Dick Cheney said he'd never met Edwards before. The next day every paper in the country showed pictures of the two of them at a congressional breakfast.
The point here, bald faced, pre-planned lying is a Cheney family habit.
Lying is in the genes of Cheney.
I wonder why Fox doesn't report on that, so I can decide.
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GregorZap
October 30, 2009 11:35 PM in reply to Tim
Cheney's do NOT lie. They simply have no recollection of anything, ever, and they live outside of reality.
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BrianSkuse
October 30, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Let's have opinionated blowhard Liz Cheney run for office, any office, and see what the public thinks of her. She could not get elected dog catcher. Neither could Rove or any of the other blowhards that make a living bloviating on TV.
I understand that TV must try to present an opposition figure to poop all over the president. Why Liz Cheney ? Her impressive resume ? Her family name ?
The republicans have nothing but these old unelectable cast-aside people ... Gingrich, what a joke.
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AJM
October 30, 2009 10:38 AM
Seems to have missed her history classes. Never heard of honoring fallen heroes in public. Missed the Gettysburg Address.
(..... and we all know that Cheney and company tried to obliterate the deaths of American Soldiers from the news so they could continue to get more killed.)
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angryhobbit
October 30, 2009 10:45 AM
Thats funny, because some might say that Liz Cheney is just making that accusation for the publicity
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slb
October 30, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to angryhobbit
Bingo.
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The Decider
October 30, 2009 10:55 AM
I hate publicity! Government should keep what it does to itself.
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An Outhouse
October 30, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to The Decider
Government shouldn't do anything then there wouldn't be any publicity. At least according to my congressional representative.
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fkaZk0sm0
October 30, 2009 10:58 AM
points for consistency: cheney is a big fan of doing everything in secret.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 30, 2009 11:02 AM
Cheney. Begins with "C." So does the other word I think of everytime she pops out with some new piece of Malkinized viciousness.
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soupson52
October 30, 2009 11:20 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
rotflmao. and i am female.
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indianadave
October 30, 2009 11:33 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
works for me
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de TOQUEville
October 30, 2009 11:36 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Megadildos.
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 11:45 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
"Malkinized viciousness". That's a lovely description.
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kenga
October 30, 2009 1:16 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Chickenhawk?
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kenga
October 30, 2009 1:17 PM in reply to kenga
in re: the more likely word - she lacks the warmth and depth.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:26 PM in reply to kenga
Hilarious, and oh so true.
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Cal Gal
October 30, 2009 2:47 PM in reply to calgarr
Ditto. I'm going to remember the "warmth and depth" and use it early and often.
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greysells2
October 30, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Warmth and depth reminds ne of Ms. Ann Coulter
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AdAbsurdum
October 30, 2009 11:07 AM
The Cheneys are predictably anatomically incapable of keeping their mouths shut whenever their shameful (or is it shameless) legacy is threatened. They would certainly rather not have the President honor these deaths in public because it undermines their pro-war interests (monetary and ideological) and highlights their record of aloofness toward fallen troops.
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CityGuy
October 30, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Agree wholeheartedly! And yes, all the Cheney's are insufferable liars!
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Moe
October 30, 2009 11:10 AM
She is working hard on keeping those 28%ers happy.
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jsfox
October 30, 2009 11:14 AM
So liz? How many time did dear old Daddy go to pay his respect and to actually see the results of his decisions?
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Overreach THIS!
October 31, 2009 7:06 AM in reply to jsfox
You kidding?
*So* many that Liz isn't even saying, *that's* how many!
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JadeZ
October 30, 2009 11:15 AM
Why do you place this woman on the front page ?
Why is what she says of interest to anyone?
Are we supposed to respect what she says because her father was such a decent man?
Sort of the acorn falling close to the tree stuff?
How about instead of trying to annoy regular readers you place some top progressives front and center??
How about Chomsky or Howard Zinn for starters with a big headline and their point of view on the day??
I really don't expect much from commercial sites but can't you try to be relevant??
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Dorn76
October 30, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to JadeZ
I second this. Giving Liz Cheney a platform does nothing but make my blood boil.
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Metzengerstein
October 30, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to Dorn76
At least in that respect, TPM is like any other media. Attracting eyeballs, making blood boil, etc. = interest and readers. They are in the same ratings game as everybody else. Unfortunate, perhaps but I suppose necessary.
Made ya look.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:30 PM in reply to Metzengerstein
You're right on the money, I'd say. But maybe there's a bright side we can look at...um...now we can feel justified in our opinions? I don't know...
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 11:21 AM in reply to JadeZ
Well, this is just it. Only her last name opens the media door. She has been systematically discredited, along with her dad, and yet we need to keep listening to her WHY?
Sometimes there are not to sides to an argument. Sometimes, one side is not just wrong, but criminally so, and this is toxic to real debate.
Ayuh, "toxic" sums it up quite nicely.
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Jaycal
October 30, 2009 11:24 AM in reply to JadeZ
"Lifestyles of the Relatives of the Rich & Famous"
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brewmn61
October 30, 2009 11:40 AM in reply to JadeZ
Thirded (or fourthed, fifthed or sixed?).
Covering the media circus surrounding politics is one thing. But FEATURING entirely predictable, baseless smears leveled by someone with no official standing in the Republican Party is hype-mongering at its worst.
You're better than this, Josh.
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 11:48 AM in reply to brewmn61
I disagree with all ofo you. Liz Cheney should be a nobody, but she obviously isn't. If a prominent mainstream wingnut (and that's no longer an oxymoron) is out there slamming the President, I think it's important to be aware of that.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, and all.
Otherwise, we forget how deranged some (most, at this point, sadly) Republicans actually are, and we ignore the lengths that will be gone to to discredit this president.
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Dorn76
October 30, 2009 12:41 PM in reply to CT Voter
Of course, but seeing her blown up on the front page still makes me want to puke.
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Kuyleh
October 30, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to CT Voter
I hate to agree with you, 'cause I really dislike these stupid people, but you're right. We need to follow their (almost) every step so hopefully someone will counteract it.
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truthspeaker
October 30, 2009 4:52 PM in reply to CT Voter
If you vote for these nutcases, then 90% percent of 'pugs are just like them.
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slb
October 30, 2009 5:26 PM in reply to CT Voter
Agreed. We need to know what they are saying and doing to avoid being blindsided, if nothing else.
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debbiedoesnothing
October 30, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to JadeZ
Liz Cheney is important because a significant number of people get their news entirely from Fox News. She's on there all the time spouting this nonsense, no one there challenges her, and their audience believes what she says. I can guarantee that I'll be hearing people in my doctor's waiting room this week talking about how Obama used the families of the war dead to get publicity for himself and how Bush honored them in private. These are the people who vote for Steve King and they'll vote for Huckabee or Palin or whichever other empty-headed right-to-life pro-war nimrod is fashionable at the moment.
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truthspeaker
October 30, 2009 4:40 PM in reply to JadeZ
I second you on this. The picture of Lou dobbs, made me want to puke, now this. How much can one person take. This is without a doubt - torture. If you must put these pukes on rolls toilet paper.
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 11:16 AM
Bush never visited Dover. So WTF is she talking about?
She's just a despicable individual.
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 11:24 AM in reply to CT Voter
She must lie to exist.
Though, if she actually told the truth, it WOULD be news.
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 11:31 AM in reply to Marioth
I doubt any Cheney can recognize the truth any longer. At some point, all that denial has to kneecap any ability to recognize reality.
I think Roger Ailes and Liz Cheney ought to run in 2012. Ailes/Cheney: All lies, all the time!
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 11:37 AM in reply to CT Voter
I would tend to agree. I think you have to have already embraced a kind of wretched terrified selfishness to be so far removed from the obvious, from even being curious about it. "Gee, Joe & Mika, let me look into that and get back to you."
W's syndrome arises from the Dry Drunk in which he took exactly one of the 12 steps: Ayuh, I drank a few beers.
From where does the Lizard Cheney's arise?
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:33 PM in reply to CT Voter
Well, there is something to be said for consistency, right?
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rbe1
October 31, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to CT Voter
Too many bipass operations, too many strokes, too many wars, too much medication = one very screwed up persona, maybe no longer human. Have you read Bush's treasury secretary's book ? He and Greenspan were old friends of Cheney from the middle 70's. Greenspan said that he no longer even recognized Cheney.
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bluesplashy
October 30, 2009 2:41 PM in reply to CT Voter
Liz Cheney lies. Liz Cheney is on FOX news. Liz Cheney is Dick Cheney daughter. No need for fact check here.
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truthspeaker
October 30, 2009 4:49 PM in reply to CT Voter
I tuned in to the fat one today, and heard him say the same thing, 'Bush went also just only without cameras'. You can be sure that if one 'pug says the sky is falling, shortly they will all be saying the same thing. somewhat like the Borg in Star Trek's 'the next generation', the same thoughts happen to them all at the same time, and stays stuck in their tiny craniums until beck or rush replaces it with another illogical thought.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
October 30, 2009 11:17 AM
Lynn Cheney was surprised because those soldiers were fighting for democracy - something she or her Dad no nothing about. They don't work for you Lynn, they work for us.
AND PS....they don't work for Exxon either or you asshole Saudi friends that funded and supplied the terrorists for 9/11
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Observerinvancouver
October 30, 2009 1:01 PM in reply to Armageddon T. Thunderbird
And they were all volunteers anyway, so it serves them right!
[Note: Chanelling Cheney, not my opinion.]
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Reefdancer
October 30, 2009 11:19 AM
Of course, if the cameras weren't there, Cheney would have accused him of doing something horrible in secret. She is a sick MF and karma will get pig-face one day.
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slb
October 30, 2009 5:34 PM in reply to Reefdancer
Exactly. And if he didn't go, they would critice that, even though Bush himself never went.
I think it speaks volumes about how soberly (and I use that word deliberately) he is approaching the decision about how to proceed with Afghanistan. He's not shrinking from acknowledging his own degree of responsibility for the human cost of the war there.
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The Old Grouch
October 30, 2009 11:21 AM
Note to sleazy daughter of demonstrably evil former (Vice) President: When President Barack Obama does something, it's news. When you say something it is not.
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estherc
October 30, 2009 11:22 AM
Remember how classy Cheney looked when he went to the memorial service at Auschwitz. Everyone else was in dark wool coats and he was dressed in a green nylon hunting jacket and lace up boots with an ear flap cap. He was a national embarrassment. I think he was pissed about being forced to go and was making some sort of statement or throwing a temper tantrum but it was really bizarre behavior from a grown man, VP.
Here's an article and photo
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slb
October 30, 2009 5:56 PM in reply to estherc
Did anyone from the administration ever give any official explanation as to why he was wearing his hunting coat and boots and hat? Did somebody forget to pack his dress coat? (We know he has one; he was wearing one at the inauguration.)
I remember that incident, and I was both appalled and mortified. It was even worse than when Barbara Bush (W's daughter, not his mother) attended a state luncheon at Buckingham Palace in jeans.
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ruhappynow
October 30, 2009 11:24 AM
Another example of truth on Fox News.
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dswx
October 30, 2009 11:34 AM in reply to ruhappynow
I was thinking the exact same thing. And to think Faux News whined about the WH calling them out as not being a news organization. Another slam dunk for the WH!
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Rich in NJ
October 30, 2009 11:29 AM
Liz Cheney and Orly Taitz have a lot in common.
Both are insane, and we shouldn't give a shit what either of them say.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:36 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
Taitz has a leg up: the crap she pulls is hilarious. Cheneys (both of them) are just infuriating.
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verite
October 30, 2009 11:31 AM
Her war profiteering father is responsible not only for wars but for torture and yet she has the audacity to criticize a fairly elected President who honors the dead?
Why does she continue to get press? Just because it riles us?
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LisB
October 30, 2009 11:31 AM
"So?"
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lcdrrek
October 30, 2009 11:32 AM
Liz:
STFU
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Moe
October 30, 2009 11:37 AM
To give her the benefit of the doubt I assume she is referring to W's meetings with family members not that W went to Dover.
Still outrageous, but not unexpected, comments on her part.
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 11:40 AM in reply to Moe
Anything to keep the exceedingly profitable wars going.
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John Crandell
October 30, 2009 1:48 PM in reply to Marioth
Good perspective, amidst all of the flying fur.
I as well loathe everything that she stands for.
However and other than her ludicrous inclusion of Bush, she certainly has a point. Why did he have to take the press pool along? Isn't it enought that everyone simply knows that he was there - without the images?
Yessiree, watch him march down that ramp and make that snappy right TURN! This 4th Inf Viet vet feels it was the height of cynicism to have included the press.
Wans't it Hermingway who said something about war and crime? Ask the infantry and ask the dead, huh Mr. President?
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 2:39 PM in reply to John Crandell
Oh I don't have a problem with press coverage. The event is too important. If a President cannot visit and honor war dead in the middle of the night and not have some documentation of it, we are in sad shape. Politics and optics aside, he is taking all of us there, as he is the President of all of us.
And we need to see these images. Many, many more of them.
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slb
October 30, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to Marioth
Politics and optics aside, he is taking all of us there, as he is the President of all of us.
Exactly what I was thinking: he is representing all of us. And you are right that we all need to see those images. The real reason that they started banning the cameras from Dover (I think it was Bush I who decreed that) was that those returning caskets provide such a powerful image of what is being sacrificed by a war. They blamed the images on television and in Life magazine for undermining support for the Vietnam War, and they weren't going to allow that to happen to their lovely little war.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:40 PM in reply to John Crandell
Looking at two basic possibilities, right? Either he is looking for attention/glory/recognition (rather out of character), or he decided that excluding the press would cause a bigger outcry and/or he simply thought the ban was a pathetic attempt by bush to prevent the country from being terribly cognizant of the cost of war, and should therefore be lifted.
One of these explanations makes more sense, is ethically sound, and is very in character for Obama. I'm gonna go with that one.
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truthspeaker
October 30, 2009 5:04 PM in reply to John Crandell
There ought to be a national draft again, then perhaps you'd be singing a different tune. I almost acted 'pug like and say unkind things to you, b/c if you can't see that his attendance there represents all countries fighting this evil scourge then you too must be a 'pug. In Canada we line the overpasses of our highways and salute when our fallen heroes are returned from Afghanistan, we respect their sacrifice and want their families to know that. We talk about them on Hockey night in Canada so that the whole nation remembers. A draft would perhaps bring home forcefully that these men and women are doing for us things which we won't/don't do for ourselves.
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John Crandell
October 30, 2009 8:34 PM in reply to truthspeaker
"There ought to be a national draft again."
Well AMEN to that! I've felt that way ever since W and Darth began banging the drum in 2002. Because if there had been, there would have been crisis in the streets of America, rather than all of the tame protests during the following winter, before the invasion.
We stood in the center of Sunset Boulevard and listened to Gore Vidal. We assembled on South Broadway to begin the march north to city hall. As Lennon's 'Imagine' played over the loud speakers, I looked up at the facade of the Anjac Building and remembered being dropped off there at the front curb by my old man - reporting for active duty. Back then, the whole building was leased to the USA for use as the regional Armed Forces Entrance and Examination Center. Literaly thousands of men walked through those doors and ended up dead in Vietnam. A little over a year later, a captain - a physician at the base hospital who I didn't know - well, he walks up to me at Camp Enari and proceeds to have a complete mental breakdown and collapsed in my arms. He'd just come from the operating room and couldn't quite express all of the horror he'd witnessed.
I doubt that anyone milling about in that vast assembly in Downtown L.A. had any idea of what once happened there. Yes, Mr. President: ask the infantry and ask the dead!
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Noam Sane
October 30, 2009 11:39 AM
I guess Bush had "other priorities".
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hologram5
October 30, 2009 11:40 AM
I wish this woman and her blood sucking father would retire back to the crypt where they spawned from. One thing we can look forward to, all these old geezers will be dying off soon and give us some reprieve from their idiotic and self serving ways.
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 11:41 AM
I love Josh's question about whether anyone is going to ask her about it.
Of course no one will.
No one on Fox, and no one on the "sister networks". Words from a Cheney are unquestioned because they're the adults.
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Bill Bowman
October 30, 2009 11:49 AM
Her draft-dodging father and the service-avoiding president to whom she refers spent 8 years dishonoring those who wear our country's uniforms.
It's good to see that she's as accomplished a liar as her father.
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RichM
October 30, 2009 11:56 AM
The key word in her statement is 'I think'. Let's unpack this:
1) It's pretty obvious that she doesn't.
2) This let's her slide on whatever BS she spouts after the phrase. She could say, "I didn't say it was true, I just said I thought it's true."
3) It is a revealing look at the Neocon mind. In her mind, Obama couldn't possibly do anything more noble than Bush. Therefore the false equivalency.
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slb
October 30, 2009 6:10 PM in reply to RichM
Thank you. I thought the same thing when I read that line. "I think" is a weasel phrase.
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calchala
October 30, 2009 11:57 AM
I haven't been a republican since 2000. There are some republicans I actually admire, Colin Powell (in some respects), Richard Lugar, Chuck Hagel. However, there are individuals who remind me why I left the republican party, and Liz Cheney is one of them. She's working with Karl Rove.
That's the only person I would know who takes ANY SITUATION and turns it into a political one. It doesn't surprise me that she lies this openly but to use a situation in which the commander in chief is saluting troops and what she doesn't say is that while the one time that Obama took the casket was in front of the camera, he did this SEVENTEEN MORE TIMES off camera, attacking this is not only below the bar but just outrageous.
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commie atheist
October 30, 2009 12:00 PM
Oh, come on. George W. Bush gave up playing golf to honor the troops. Eventually, anyway. For a little while, at least. Wasn't that enough of a sacrifice?
Now the poor man has to pick up his own dog's poop. Hasn't he suffered enough?
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dweb823
October 30, 2009 12:02 PM
The most surprising thing about this? That she waited so long. As soon as I saw the story the other day, I wondered how long it would be before some wingnut started complaining. They're getting slow on the uptake these days.
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kash79
October 30, 2009 12:02 PM
I would call her a bitch, but can't be so hurtful even to the bitches.
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musical_fan
October 30, 2009 12:04 PM
I was told as a child that if you cannot find anything nice to say, it's best to say nothing. I fear that wasn't part of the child rearing process in the Cheney household. Which is fine, but when is the media going to stop giving her a bully pulpit from which to spew this nonsense. The reality is that President Bush and VP Cheney were too busy plotting a hypothetical war with [name a country that opposed America from 2001-2009] to worry about such expendable things as the lives of thousands of dedicated, hardworking and brave American soldiers. Believe me, if President Bush had ever visited Dover AFB to oversee the return of fallen troops during his term in office, we would have heard about it ad nauseam. There might not have been pictures of it, but every major press outlet would have touted Bush's noble act and documented the time he spent with families receiving their lost loved ones. Bush and Cheney didn't go, we'll never know the real reasons why, but for me it demonstrates the audacious cowardice of that administration better than any critic of theirs ever could.
I think what boggles my mind is how the sitting president can allow these spurious attacks to go on unanswered. I guess that's the price you pay for looking the other way on war crimes though. I really like President Obama, but I wish he'd soften his position on prosecuting these ne'er do wells.
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Agathena
October 30, 2009 12:56 PM in reply to musical_fan
"Audacious cowardice" a very apt oxymoron to describe the Bush administration and it's left-overs like Liz Cheney.
I really hated having to see that face and that yellow hair so early in the day.
Let those who are being killed and injured in the occupation of Iran and Afghanistan not be forgotten.
and
bring the living home too. I long to see the day when Obama greets the returning military survivors from those occupations.
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Whenwillthisnightmareend
October 30, 2009 12:04 PM
I knew after we heard from Dick dad, the other shoe was going to drop, you know, the one with sh*t on it. Again rewriting history, she intimates, without proof, that bGeorge Bush also did "it" whatever that means. I guess that, just like all the neocons, when truth becomes incontrovertible, she can deny ever saying that George Bush (and Dick, her dad) never received the boys, fathers, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons,and wives that the threw into the grinder for oil and Haliburton (enriching themselves and selected friends in the process. They NEVER DID "IT" because THEY NEVER GAVE A SHIT! And for the rest of us OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND!
Now they're embarassed because, NOW IT IS UNDENIABLE. BUSH AND CHENEY DIDN'T CARE.
Now they send out their poodle to ridicule (tho only thing they ever did well).
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aapinko
October 30, 2009 12:06 PM
LOL, well luckily we all know that Cheney is a true, blue iDIOT in every sense of the word. No one with a single ounce of common sense would care what Cheney has to say.
RT
www.complete-privacy.at.tc
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kash79
October 30, 2009 12:13 PM
To re-quote the VP: "Who cares what Cheney thinks?"
First Leib and now Liz, I guess TPM is encouraging all of us to hit the Weekend happy hour a little early.
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TheraP
October 30, 2009 12:15 PM
The Cheney family.... where there's never a need to say you're sorry.
No, they leave us to the sorriness of their lies!
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AlphaLiberal
October 30, 2009 12:16 PM
Jump the shark much, Liz?
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Bimble
October 30, 2009 12:19 PM
On the subject of her talking about Obama showing up with the press pool and asking if they can take pictures: As I understand it, the family did not know the President would attend when they granted permission to take pictures of the soldier's casket. So the family was not pressured by talk of the President and the press pool.
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Observerinvancouver
October 30, 2009 1:06 PM in reply to Bimble
Can the President go anywhere without the press pool?
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The Old Grouch
October 30, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to Observerinvancouver
See my comment above. When President Obama does something, it is by definition news. There is always pool coverage present, except in private family moments.
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salame
October 30, 2009 12:19 PM
I'm surprised that it took the haters this long to turn a decent
gesture by a decent man into a cynical gesture.
Only Cruella and her nasty, nasty ilk lie in wait for an opportunity
to pounce on anything, nay, everything that this President does.
One can only half-imagine how twisted and miserable their lives must
be to have to live in the slimy recesses called their minds.
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GeorgeTheShrubber
October 30, 2009 12:22 PM
Shrub gave up the game of golf... for a little while... to honor our troops. Demanding anything beyond that is simply Bush Derangement Syndrome getting the more better of ya, you frenchfry-eating surrenderists!
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NobleCommentDecider
October 30, 2009 2:08 PM in reply to GeorgeTheShrubber
Yeah, Bush gave up the golf, but at the same time he got to keep Saddam's gun! What wingnut nitwit wouldn't start a war to get the gun of a infamous bad guy like Saddam?
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PropstotheGast
October 30, 2009 12:24 PM
The notion that Bush did not honor the fallen can be disproved with a simple Google search.
Honestly these pieces are more about gotcha opinions than fact.
Heres the link to the most poignant Bush story:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/value-of-service.htm
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CT Voter
October 30, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to PropstotheGast
Nice effort to derail the thread.
But where did anyone say that Bush never comforted the families of the fallen?
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truthspeaker
October 30, 2009 5:11 PM in reply to CT Voter
When 'pug listen they hear different voices.
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The Old Grouch
October 30, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to PropstotheGast
Of course Bush loved the fallen, it's why he made so many of them.
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Agathena
October 30, 2009 2:55 PM in reply to PropstotheGast
We KNOW Bush liked to hug the families of the fallen military because he mentioned it everyday. There are videos of him squeezing out a tear or two. He told us over and over how hard it was on HIM, the king narcissist.
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Just Ben
October 30, 2009 12:27 PM
Bush is a tool! He asked men and women to step into the breach and in 6-years couldn't find enough time to just once show up to their welcome home party?
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Jymn
October 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Reading the quote, Cheney does give herself wiggle room. Prefacing her claims with, "I think," gives her an out. She is still claiming Bush honoured fallen soldiers but she can now say she never really claimed he did only she thought he did. Still a scurrilous claim.
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Mad Dog Rackham
October 30, 2009 1:45 PM in reply to Jymn
I really doubt it.
That she thinks, that is. She seems all lizard-brain reaction to me.
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Overreach THIS!
October 31, 2009 7:10 AM in reply to Mad Dog Rackham
Eggzackly.
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Marie
October 30, 2009 12:30 PM
As a Navy wife of an active duty service men I want Liz to get off her fat buns and go fight in the wars that her daddy started. She is too chicken to put herself in harms way, but she can spew lies about her daddy's wars that have killed nearly five thousand of our service men and women. I wish one of the reporters who interviews her would ask her why she is not serving her country. The same question could be ask of her war mongering daddy.
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slb
October 30, 2009 6:20 PM in reply to Marie
I suspect that, like Daddy, she has "other priorities."
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Overreach THIS!
October 31, 2009 7:16 AM in reply to slb
Are you kidding? She already "served" in her nepotism job that Daddy got her at State. They also serve who only sit around and congratulate their father for pay.
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acf_ma
October 30, 2009 12:37 PM
Is there a reason why Cheney's words are reported? Her father is out of power. Her party is out of power. The two of them (father and party) are arguably responsible for much of the mess we are trying to dig out from under. Ignore her and her ilk, and stop giving them a platform to gripe, and notoriety by reportage.
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bunkai
October 30, 2009 12:38 PM
POTUS did not drag cameras there. If I understand it correctly 7 of the 18 families agreed to have the cameras there long before anyone was aware POTUS was going to attend and it probably would have been more if they knew he was to be there. It's another sick and disturbing attempt by a Cheney to twist and make ugly something that was a very moving event and I'm sure the families involved felt was an enormous honor. POTUS was there REGARDLESS of the cameras or press!
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 2:42 PM in reply to bunkai
I would submit we would have a different war policy if this happened a lot more often.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to bunkai
That's an excellent point, but it would pack more punch if it could be verified. Anyone have a source?
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slb
October 30, 2009 6:27 PM in reply to calgarr
A source for a speculation????
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 8:52 PM in reply to slb
In case there is some confusion here, I was replying to the comment by bunkai, not merioth.
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mikedrevguy
October 30, 2009 12:39 PM
Just more evidence of how polarized the nation is these days, and how unwilling the fundy-neocon-rightwingnutcases are to admit to ANYTHING positive whatsoever that this administration (nay) this President has done, or is doing.
If the Prez would come out as say the sky is up - Liz would have to, by proximity of her opposition, disagree with him.
and in doing so, they discredit and throw mud in their own faces.
so nice when folks are willing to not only dig, but bury their own political ideologies in this way. (let's hope when all's said and done, it stays buried)
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Marioth
October 30, 2009 2:44 PM in reply to mikedrevguy
It's not politics. It's mental illness to continually deny what is demonstrable.
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calgarr
October 30, 2009 2:50 PM in reply to mikedrevguy
No, she would come out saying "The republicans have known for years that the sky is up, and Obama is finally coming around! When will he start embracing other republican ideals, like victimizing the weak and helpless for profit?" Or something like that.
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tommyo
October 30, 2009 12:39 PM
Who cares what this poster girl for the horrors of chickenhawk nepotism thinks or says?
Why is this undeserving person given a platform?
It would be nice if some member of the media confronted her about her total lack of qualifications, besides being the daughter of a former VP of a failed administration, to be spouting opinions about national issues. Enough already with this pig.
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70news2
October 30, 2009 12:53 PM
Congressman said: "Obama has something to hide.." : http://www.70news.com/2009/10/04/breaking-news-congressman-obama-has-something-to-hide/
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The Old Grouch
October 30, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to 70news2
An uninformed, speculative opinion is breaking news?
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impik
October 30, 2009 12:55 PM
Stupid cow.
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mjshep
October 30, 2009 1:14 PM in reply to impik
Must you insult the gentle female bovine, which gives so many good things like milk and cheese?
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CVille Dem
October 30, 2009 1:19 PM in reply to impik
How dare you insult cows? They are stately, peaceful animals!
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The Old Grouch
October 30, 2009 1:24 PM in reply to CVille Dem
Besides, they taste good when properly prepared.
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John Crandell
October 30, 2009 8:50 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
Old Grouch: you dost tickle me pink. You are a scream.
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714Day
October 30, 2009 1:04 PM
This sad production from the cookie cutter can rationalize any bankrupt behavior of her father's. Cheney/Bush wanted us all to go shopping in the face of the bloody business they stirred up with smoke and mirrors and manure. Ms. Cheney's progenitor wanted us to pretend war was not to be seen or heard.
Obama wants us to recognize that these are our children in those boxes and I salute him for his sensibility here. We need to be constantly mindful of that.
Liz wants us to return to mindless distraction and pay-no- attention-to-the-corpses-behind-the-curtain thinking. What an enlightened individual she is.
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Winston Smith
October 30, 2009 1:07 PM
This deserves a rebuttal from Sasha Obama.
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Dorn76
October 30, 2009 2:02 PM in reply to Winston Smith
Don't you mean the VP's daughter, Ashley Biden?
It's also imperative that we hear from Gore's daughters.
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Cal Gal
October 30, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to Dorn76
That's a pretty good idea, actually. Kerry's daughters are quite articulate. Maybe Rachel could have one of them on, eh?
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Eyepublius
October 30, 2009 1:13 PM
Two words for Liz Cheney and/or any other Cheney: F**k you.
/s/ Thrice WIA Vietnam Vet and Ret. Marine 1stlst.
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Overreach THIS!
October 31, 2009 7:13 AM in reply to Eyepublius
Thank you very deeply for your service.
And I salute your appropriate words to goddamn Cheneys.
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Cool Blue Reason
October 30, 2009 1:17 PM
Lincoln was also classless.
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johnozed
October 30, 2009 1:18 PM
The 'woman' is a beast. She is truly her father's son.
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lousgirl84
October 30, 2009 4:31 PM in reply to johnozed
Her mother is not a very nice person either =-lynne cheney is just as vicious. I think it runs in the family. ughhh
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charlie8080
October 30, 2009 1:20 PM
What the hell is with this woman? What Obama did used to be done in this country before Bush banned it. Other countries do it all time.
The name Cheney has been so discredited that it has become a laughingstock. Her latest comment is just shameful.
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jeffgee
October 30, 2009 1:21 PM
Not content with the damage her father caused in his dubiously elected role as VP, Liz now wants to undermine a democratically elected President.
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NobleCommentDecider
October 30, 2009 1:21 PM
Of course George W. Bush never went to Dover to honor the returning fallen, he was too busy taunting the terrorists he let loose by removing Saddam and making jokes about looking for WMD under his Oval Office desk.
This is a man who some at TPM still believe was a wise choice for President both in 2000, and 2004, and 2008 if he was allowed to run.
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dick_data
October 30, 2009 1:24 PM
I really don't understand people who jump into a controversy in pretty much complete ignorance. Or maybe she knew and lied anyway. She does lie a lot. In her defense, I have heard Ed Schultz say equally untrue things on his MSNBC show. In his case I'm sure of the ignorance, so why couldn't Liz be pretty much as ignorant as Palin and belive everything that she (Liz) says?
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dannyluv
October 30, 2009 1:33 PM
I'm sorry, But who are you again? The daughter of some man who's proven himself a liar time and time again. I do not understand why you even have a forum, your the daughter of a liar who made very bad decisions. Nothing more, and Id say you 15 minutes were up a long, long time ago
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GTFOOH
October 30, 2009 1:35 PM
The fib doesn't fall far from the lie!
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Maritza
October 30, 2009 1:38 PM
I actually think that this was one of Obama's best moments so far in office. Obama did this with dignity and class. It is something that I hope that ALL commanders-in-chief do during wartime. It was absolutely the RIGHT thing to do.
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Chabuka
October 30, 2009 1:45 PM
Liz Cheney proves beyond any doubt, that mental illness is inherited.....
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JuliaS
October 30, 2009 2:03 PM
I think its also important to note that the families were asked before it was know that President Obama was going to be there. The fact that he was there had nothing to do with them allowing cameras.
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NH Bob
October 30, 2009 2:13 PM
The truth is that those challenging the President's trip for any reason make it "public" fodder. And speaking of fodder who better than the cheney nag? All POTUS did was an honorable act to honor the dead. The entire cheney pack is without honor, without love for the nation and without any direction save 'hard over' crash. My God, they are the worst this nation has ever produced! Led by a man who never served his country yet sent our sons to war gleefully! May the whole bunch of 'em rot eternally in hell.
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CF2K
October 30, 2009 2:14 PM
Liz Cheney = Daddy's Girl. Now and forever.
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Winski
October 30, 2009 2:17 PM
Liz Cheney = Daddy! That's it!!! They are the same person!! Both are lower than bat crap. Her/their lies and smears are getting real old since they are all FAKE!!
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