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With a 60-seat majority in the Senate, Democrats are poised, theoretically, to prevent Republicans from filibustering key agenda items. Liberals and health care reformers see that as a potential bulwark against Republican obstruction and are pressuring party leaders to enforce unanimity on key cloture votes, so that nominations and major bills (like health care) can be decided by a simple majority. And just how are they doing on that score?

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE), one of the Senate's most visible centrists, tells me leadership hasn't said anything about it to him.

I asked, "Has leadership been in discussions with you and other moderates about voting with the party on procedural votes?"

In a statement that will bedevil liberals, he responded, "I don't know about others, but not with me."

I have a call out to Dem leadership for comment.

Nelson has long insisted that his vote on procedural questions is "not on autopilot," and repeated that insistence today. That's not surprising from Nelson, who, has previously used his leverage as one of the party's most conservative members to move its legislation to the right.

I asked him whether he'd decided to support or oppose a filibuster of Justice Department nominee Dawn Johnsen--whose confirmation has been held up since March--and he replied, "not yet. But I certainly haven't decided if I'm going to vote for cloture."

Late Update: A senior Democratic aide says that leadership has indeed briefed the caucus about voting with the party on procedural votes. Maybe Nelson was talking about one-on-one meetings?

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October 6, 2009 3:18 PM   

Bite my shiny green ass, Nelson!

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October 6, 2009 3:23 PM   

Wow! Either Nelson is lying or the Dem leadership is beyond lame. Unbelievable! Or, more sadly, believable. It's enough to make us little people start to think that the whole thing is just a big charade. Maybe we should just go ahead and bust out the torches and pitchforks.

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October 6, 2009 3:30 PM    in reply to miasmo

"torches and pitchforks"

Now you're talkin! It's the only way the average schmoe ever has or ever will get anything out of the wealthy and powerful.

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October 6, 2009 3:31 PM    in reply to miasmo

"torches and pitchforks"

Now you're talkin! It's the only way the average schmoe ever has or ever will get anything out of the wealthy and powerful.

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October 6, 2009 3:40 PM    in reply to oleeb

Just a historical note: the Senate is supposed to represent the wealthy. The House is "the people's house."

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October 7, 2009 4:23 PM    in reply to Schmed

Actually that is incorrect. The Senate is supposed to be removed from the emotions and passions of common public opinion. It was intended to be an institution where the long view could be considered and where cooler heads could prevail in a time of great stress. It has nothing whatever to do with wealth. Never did.

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October 6, 2009 3:57 PM    in reply to miasmo

Exactly. Either way, it's pathetic.

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October 6, 2009 5:01 PM    in reply to miasmo

"Either Nelson is lying or the Dem leadership is beyond lame."

Both.

John

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October 6, 2009 3:34 PM   

Good.

He's up in 2010. Let him filibuster health care and rake in insurance company money and vote FOR the bailout and see if his ass isn't grass come Nov. 2010.

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October 6, 2009 3:48 PM    in reply to Gator_fan

He'd likely have a much better paying job waiting for him in the insurance industry if he killed reform now and it cost him his seat.

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October 6, 2009 3:47 PM   

It also could be a case where they know certain Senators would dig in and push back if pressured. If the Dems could get 58-59 cloture votes I don't think Nelson would be willing to filibuster.

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October 6, 2009 4:05 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

I'm sure the leadership is thinking that making Nelson publicly support Cloture now allows too much time for Nelson to bend under pressure from the right.

Twisting his arm at the last second is probably the best bet. (Or second best, not dependiing on him at all is the best bet)

Besides, Blanche Lincoln (D-WalMart) won't come into line anyway, so why push two senators publicly to still lose their votes. Lets not forget Landrieu either.

Reid may be weak but not completely stupid.

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October 6, 2009 3:57 PM   

Okay, so no talks about voting for cloture generally. Right.

So, has he had any talks with leadership about voting for cloture even if he can't vote for certain specific bills like, say, oh, I don't know, maybe the health care reform bill?

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October 6, 2009 4:01 PM   

Folks, this is exactly why Harry Reid wont win reelection out here in Nevada. Republicans have never liked him (even though he's pro gun rights and pro-life) and Democrats are soooo tired of watching Reid's spine splash around on the floor. Get the votes to stop the fillibuster and then give it an "up or down vote". HEY WAIT...."up or down vote", isnt that what the Repubs were screaming they deserved and how unpatriotic it was to not give them one.

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October 6, 2009 4:18 PM    in reply to btbradley86

Upperdown! Upperdown! Upperdown!

Or the nuclear option.

Either way.

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October 6, 2009 5:41 PM    in reply to mjshep

Be careful what you wish for. At this point, a robust PO would likely be down.

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October 6, 2009 5:13 PM    in reply to btbradley86

""Reid may be weak but not completely stupid.""
This guy couldn't lead me out of a burning building!

“There is hardly any one so insignificant that he does not seem imposing to some one at some time.”

Charles Horton Cooley

I think Reid disproves Cooley's affirmation!

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October 6, 2009 4:20 PM   

I'll say wait and see.

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October 6, 2009 4:23 PM   

Roll Call sez:


As a fallback, Senate Democratic leaders have stepped up their pressure on centrists to stick with the party on procedural votes. At a minimum, leaders have asked all 60 Democrats to allow them to bring a health care bill to the floor in order to make sure Republicans cannot filibuster it.

So someone's not telling the truth here.

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October 6, 2009 4:44 PM    in reply to Forsythe

Well, if this is true, then it sounds like Ben's crying out for some attention from those very same Democratic leaders. . .

Wonder why that might be?

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October 6, 2009 5:07 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Of course. Why would he announce his vote far in advance? He just gives up any leverage he has. I knew this story would get people's shorts all bunched up.

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October 7, 2009 9:54 AM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Exactly -- question is, what is his price? ("How 'bout a nice fat corn subsidy, Ben?")

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October 6, 2009 5:00 PM    in reply to Forsythe

Not at all. Roll Call says they've asked all 60 to let a vote on health care come to a vote. Brian asked Nelson "Has leadership been in discussions with you and other moderates about voting with the party on procedural votes?" Brian asked Nelson about the enforcement of party loyalty generally, not whether he'd been whipped on the one bill.

If leadership has only talked to Nelson about the cloture vote on the one bill specifically, the narrowly truthful answer to Brian's general question to Nelson would be "no."

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October 6, 2009 4:33 PM   

The leaders aren't telling the truth. They assert this to please the small-dollar individual contributors like many on this blog. "See," they can say, "we tried to overcome a filibuster but, well, Nellie wouldn't budge." Please. It's small. It's weak. It's pathetic.

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October 6, 2009 4:53 PM    in reply to Mateo123

Concern trolling much?

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October 6, 2009 5:13 PM   

If he wasn't from ruby red Nebraska I would primary him myself./

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October 6, 2009 8:21 PM   

Let's put it this way, Ben. Why would you vote to sustain a Republican filibuster if you weren't just a whore for the insurance companies?

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October 7, 2009 4:47 AM   

This ugly man took over one million from insurance companies and now he is working day and night to prevent Americans from having health care. One ugly and on-the-take man should not have that much power.

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October 7, 2009 4:58 AM   

Verification:

Before entering politics, Ben Nelson spent his career as an insurance executive, insurance company lawyer and, early in his career, Nebraska’s state insurance regulator. He was chief executive officer of an insurance company and has sided with and received political support from business groups opposed to a public health plan as part of health reform.

Sen. Nelson has depended on the insurance and health care industries to pay for his campaigns for public office. According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Sen. Nelson has raised more than $2 million from insurance and health care interests in his three campaigns for federal office.

Sen. Nelson has received $1,195,299 from insurance interests, $399,345 from health professionals, $258,483 from the pharmaceutical industry, and $195,138 from hospital and nursing home interests.

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