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Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) may believe health care reform will be President Obama's Waterloo. But the coup in Honduras may become DeMint's Little Bighorn.

DeMint announced earlier this week that he planned to visit the Central American nation to offer support to the illegitimate government of Roberto Micheletti, who was installed into power after the military overthrew President Manuel Zelaya on orders of the Honduran Supreme Court.

But the Obama administration, which has been unsupportive of the coup, and has begun to revoke the visas of the coup's wealthy supporters, ain't havin' none of that. Last night, the White House, with an assist from Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry deep-sixed DeMint's plans.

"These bullying tactics by the Obama administration and Senator Kerry must stop, and we must be allowed to get to the truth in Honduras," DeMint said. "Not a single U.S. Senator has traveled to Honduras to learn the facts on the ground. And the Obama administration won't allow Honduran officials or even businessmen to come to the U.S., either. While this administration has failed to act decisively in Afghanistan, it is has no problem cracking down on a democratic ally and one of the poorest nations in Latin America."

As Steve Clemons notes, this isn't just a matter of a senator wanting to spend some time learning about a small, but important, country. It's potentially a very serious issue. More to come.

Late updated: Last night, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell apparently intervened on DeMint's behalf, and the South Carolina conservative will be traveling to Honduras today. Interesting...

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October 2, 2009 10:02 AM   

Obama 1 Demint 0

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October 2, 2009 11:21 AM    in reply to neesy08

I heard he went around Kerry and got an okay from Mitch McConnell and he's going anyway. Maybe we will get lucky and someone will kidnap him and throw in him a dungeon somewhere and never let him out.

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October 2, 2009 11:22 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

Oops I should have read the story all the way down as it was updated with respect to my comments.

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October 2, 2009 12:16 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

All this is just another liberal hypocrisy. Kerry was semi-famous for doing exactly what DeMint planned and more. With actual communists. Google Kerry and Sandinistas.

Past that, this is a perfect example of liberal authoritarianism. Where does Kerry got off telling a fellow senator where he can, or can not, go? DeMint should have publicly told him to shove it.

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October 2, 2009 1:03 PM    in reply to shooter242

yeah, except unlike the honduran coup leader, the sandinistas were elected. guess that explains the hostility of an ancient cold-warrior like yourself.

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October 2, 2009 1:14 PM    in reply to benjoya

What a tool you are. The Sandinistas overthrew Somoza by force in 1979. They didn't bother with elections until 1984.

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October 2, 2009 1:22 PM    in reply to Campesino

oh, somoza. i see what kind of "freedom fighter" you are.

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October 2, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to benjoya

and kerry went to nicaragua in 1985. idiot.

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October 2, 2009 1:24 PM    in reply to benjoya

his first year in the senate, for those (not you, einstein) who care about such arcana.

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October 2, 2009 1:26 PM    in reply to shooter242

It's called the law, kiddo. DeMint, or anyone - is breaking the law by traveling to Honduras right now. Regardless: what's an American senator doing cheerleading for a military dictatorship that just overthrew a democratically elected president?
That's not defending freedom and democracy, that's abetting the destruction of it.

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October 2, 2009 10:04 AM   

Smells to me like an inept and ham-handed try at castrating Obama by crossing the wires on his foreign policy.

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October 2, 2009 10:15 AM   

Hmmm. How is Honduras a "democratic ally" if they are ruled under a military coup?

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October 2, 2009 10:45 AM    in reply to rxbusa

In the bizarro rightwing universe, the concept of Democracy has nothing to do with being elected by the people but instead it has to do with whether those in power support their rightwing ideology and agenda.

In particular, democracy is, in their view, an economic rather than a political system, and they equate it to capitalism rather than to elected government, resulting in their making arguments about democracy vs socialism, not realizing that they compare apples to oranges, and totally ignoring the existence of the many socialist democracies in the world.

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October 2, 2009 10:53 AM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

What you say makes sense. It explains something that always gets me scratching my head when conservatives talk about freedom they are generally talking about freedom to rip other people off in some way or to not pay taxes rather than anything related to civil liberties which is usually what I think freedom means.

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October 2, 2009 11:11 AM    in reply to rxbusa

I believe it was Einstein, but I cannot find the quote, who observed that freedom in Europe meant social freedom but that to many Americans freedom was mostly economic. To the rightwing, freedom is entirely about money which they even equate with speech and political entitlement. Civil liberties and social equality mean little to them and are often viewed as contrary to their own concept of money-based freedom.

Because the definitions of the most basic terms do not even match, the left and the right talk past each other.

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October 2, 2009 11:36 AM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Also explains why they hate the 2 most democratic institutions we have: public schools and public libraries.

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October 2, 2009 1:10 PM    in reply to Powkat

The right hates public libraries and public schools? Any wonder that they are not fairing too well, then?

(Someone, quick, come up with a more descriptive term than "the right)".

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October 2, 2009 1:26 PM    in reply to baba2nde

"faring"

yes, the state of schools and libraries is a sad thing.

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October 2, 2009 11:42 AM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Is this what you are thinking about?

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor - not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. -- Albert Einstein, The World As I See It

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October 2, 2009 12:24 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Here's another quote... "No profits, no jobs and no taxes."

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October 2, 2009 12:58 PM    in reply to shooter242

Right. Because everybody knows there's absolutely no jobs in the not-for-profit sector of the economy. (Can you say "duh", now?)

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October 2, 2009 1:07 PM    in reply to shooter242

who are you quoting there? seneca, perhaps, or ovid. some great thinker, no doubt.

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October 2, 2009 1:27 PM    in reply to shooter242

And here's another: YOUR BLACK AND WHITE WORLD IS TRULY A SAD PLACE.

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October 2, 2009 1:49 PM    in reply to shooter242

No profits, no jobs, no taxes

Republican policies lead to fewer jobs.

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October 2, 2009 12:09 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Also, the GOP decides policy by noting what Obama's position is and then they argue the opposite.

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October 2, 2009 2:08 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

By this logic, Honduras isn't a democracy because they're poor and suck at capitalism.

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October 2, 2009 12:13 PM    in reply to rxbusa

Republicans like leaders that have been illegitimately installed via coup, whether military or judicial. Those are the kinds of "democratic allies" they like.

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October 2, 2009 12:20 PM    in reply to rxbusa

They are not under military rule. If you want to argue about it, let's see some documentation.

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October 2, 2009 10:26 AM   

Why in the hell is his actions not treason? he should be stopped and McConnell is complicit. Don't backdown and go after this bastard....

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October 2, 2009 10:32 AM    in reply to Obama1st

It's a violation of the Logan Act. Since we're not at war with the Honduran government, it's not treason.

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October 2, 2009 10:33 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

thanks and you are correct.

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October 2, 2009 10:30 AM   

we must be allowed to get to the truth in Honduras.

Did someone tell him Obama's real birth certificate is down there?

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October 2, 2009 10:37 AM   

It can be argued that it is treason... but... I say let him go. And while he is there pull his passport so he can't re-enter the USA. He can fight it out in the courts but by then the health care debate will be over and he would not have been here to cause trouble or vote to support cloture. Maybe McConnell would like to go with him?

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October 2, 2009 12:44 PM    in reply to mjclare

That would be his Waterloo.

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October 2, 2009 10:38 AM   

Is there any issue at all where the Republicans recognize feel they own any allegiance to their nation, beyond their party? I really can't think of a single act of truely putting country first by a Republican politician since.... well since that Vermont senator left the party to keep the Republicans from gaining control of all three branches of government.

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October 2, 2009 11:13 AM    in reply to Bullsmith

They honestly don't see any difference, anymore. It's all of a piece with the increasingly totalitarian mindset they've been inching up to since the Reagan years.

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October 2, 2009 10:38 AM   

owe allegiance, no own.

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October 2, 2009 10:41 AM   

Seems like he's sending a not so subtly coded message to the winger base....supporting a military coup? Just another instance of trying to delegitimize the President.

He should at the very least be forced to detail all of his dealings with Micheletti's Gov't, to investigate possible violations of the Logan Act. If he won't talk, hit him with obstruction.

Where's Holder? He should be all over this jerk.

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October 2, 2009 10:54 AM   

Appalachian trail maybe?

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October 2, 2009 11:10 AM   

Everyone realizes that this would have wall to wall cable coverage, a flashing siren at Drudge, and huge headlines at Politico and The Page if Creme DeMinthe were a Democrat and the President a Republican, right?

This is outrageous.

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October 2, 2009 11:18 AM   

This guy is a contemptible embarrassment in the States --he has no business outside the country! Maybe, he is working with the lamentable Lanny Davis--who is council for the Chamber group that backed the COUP..That makes sense--neither have collective brains enough to come in from the rain!! The Honduran rain forest might be a great place to stash them both for the duration!

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October 2, 2009 11:23 AM   

Demented probably will ask for pointers on how they did it. "You need the Supreme Court? We have the Supreme Court"...

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October 2, 2009 11:38 AM   

Two words: Logan Act. Treason to undermine US government policy by negotiating with foreign governments.

Another two words: C Street.

It has long been the policy of C Streeters to go abroad and make deals with any strong arm leaders that have risen to power.

So De Mint is a C Streeter par excellence.

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October 2, 2009 12:28 PM    in reply to MyMy

Interesting, then Kerry could be prosecuted for negotiating with Sandinistas. I like it.

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October 2, 2009 1:24 PM    in reply to MyMy

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October 2, 2009 11:54 AM   

T R E A S O N

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October 2, 2009 11:59 AM   

South Carolina is proof of the stupidity of the GOP and how its poor leadership can run a state into the ground. DeMint would better serve his voters if he stayed home and tended to their problems. Frankly, I am not interested in my tax dollars paying for this fool's plane ticket.

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October 2, 2009 12:18 PM   

Living in near by Costa Rica, I can assure you the situation is far more complex in Honduras than either the American left or right realize.

Manuel Zelaya is no champion of democracy, neither is Michelleti the de facto president.

They are members of the same party, and despite Zelaya's populist rhetoric, he comes from the very same oligarchy he rails against.

He did break Honduran law when, on his own behalf, he attempted to get the constitution amended so he could seek a second term.

Likewise, the Honduran military broke the law when they rousted him out of bed at gun point, put him on a plane in his pajamas, and sent him packing to Costa Rica.

Funny thing, Zelaya didn't have time to get dressed, but he did have time to grab his all important signature hat.

I attended a conference in San Jose last week where several journalists who'd just returned from Tegucigalpa spoke about what they saw on the ground.

There are some very nasty human rights violations occurring to be sure.

But one journalist had an interesting take on all this.

Zelaya and Micheletti are members of the same party.

Ousting Zelaya angered advocates of democracy both inside and outside Honduras. Inside Honduras, those democracy advocates and members of several other parties, have refused to participate in the upcoming elections.

What does that mean? Well, the elections will go forward and, with so many democracy advocates and members of other parties sitting them out, Zelaya and Micheletti's party is all but assured to "win".

More than a few people I've spoken to who know Honduras much better that I do are starting to see a big old political scam/sham playing out here.

Zelaya's done some good things. He's raised the minimum wage, he's increased the number of free health clinics in the country, but has some Hugo envy going on to be sure.

But this is not a clear cut right/left issue. Something is in play here. What it is, only time will reveal.

But with the multilateral arms race that is going on thru out Latin America, with the US, Russia, China, France, and even Iran, selling vast amounts of sophisticated conventional weapons and equipment to anyone and everyone in the region, the potential for Honduras to become a flashpoint that could ignite a broader, regional war is on the minds of every one, be they of the right or of the left, who's paying attention and understands such a war is no one's best interests.

DeMint's just a side show and not worth getting fired up about.

The real issue is not just what is happening in Honduras, but the arms race that is occurring through out Ameica's Southern Hemisphere.

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October 2, 2009 1:31 PM    in reply to macsurf

Zelaya was not seeking a 2nd term for himself. He was seeking an amendment by way of public referendum for the NEXT president's term to be able to be two. Not his. I know the current dictatorship have said he tried to seek a 2nd term for himself, but it's simply not true.

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October 2, 2009 1:47 PM    in reply to cinesimon

The Honduran constitution expressly forbids a sitting executive from seeking to amend the country's constitution. Period.

Zelaya tried to do an end run around that with a referendum that did violate the law.

Now, I don't approve of the way the dispute was handled at all.

Just as i don't approve of the military's having broken the law in the way it uncermoniously booted him out of the country.

Zelaya was indeed seeking the ability to run for a second term.

prior to the coup, he'd made that clear on mumerous occassions.

I am sure it didn't get much coverage in the US media, but I read it here in Costa Rica in La Nacion, the country's daily paper of record.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal was. Costa Rica amended its constitution in 2005 so that Oscar Arias could run in 2006 after having served as president in the 1980's.

In Colombia right wing supporters of Alvaro Uribe are in the process of amending that country's constitution a second time so that Uribe can run for reelection a third time.

But Zelaya, as the Honduran constitution was written at the time he began his amendment initiative, did, indeed, break the law.

Just as the military did when tossed him out of the country.

Zelaya needs to be careful now because, under international law, when a person seeks asylum in his own country in the embassy of another, it is for the legally expressed purpose of arranging for safe passage out of that country.

A person seeking such asylum is considered a guest of the host embassy, and, under international law, is forbidden from engaging in political activity while under asylum.

Zelaya is clearly violating that law and that tradition and it begs the bigger question, "Why?"

There is much more to the "coup" than meets the eye. Believe me.

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October 2, 2009 12:46 PM   

I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but I am having trouble not seeing a connection between Senator DeMint's support for the Honduran Military Coup and the John Perry Newsmax article about a military coup against Obama. DeMint has already publicly declared seeing a "Waterloo" moment for Obama. Could the "fact-finding" mission be more about understanding how they pulled the coup off in Honduras, than showing support for it? And just by going down there, he seems to be sending a tacit signal to everyone that military coups aren't bad, and even sometimes necessary.

Call me crazy, if you want, but I have seen more "anti-Americanism" from conservatives in the last year than in all my 39 years from any other Americans. I am beginning to fear for our democracy.

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October 2, 2009 1:13 PM   

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/
The best reporting so far on the sujuect

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October 2, 2009 1:42 PM    in reply to sashimi

Great link.
There is psychology at play. Republicans act nuts and cry like babies and eventually it becomes accepted as normal. Then when they act like assholes everybody just lets it pass because "that's just the way they are."

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October 2, 2009 1:32 PM   

NatsGuv, I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist either but given how psychotic Obama's election has made the far right wing of the GOP, a faction DeMint is obviously a part of, nothing would really surprise me.

Although I see glimmers of hope among some of the saner elements of the GOP who are realizing this hateful rhetoric and demonizing of Obama on the part of what, when all is said and done, is a relatively small, but vocal, extremist faction in the GOP who get much more media coverage than their actual numbers warrant is hurting the GOP nationally and it's just not good for the country.

Lindsay Graham called Glenn Beck a self serving "cynic" and the Birther Bozoz "crazy" the other day.

I cited David Brooks's Times column today that really put the PERCEIVED influence of Rush Glenn, Sean, et al into perspective.

And Steve Schmidt' comments about Palin reassure me that the GOP knows they, with all the time they spent currying favor with the relatively small number of far right, Bible thumping whack jobs, especially at the primary level, is killing them at the national election level.

I can count at least a dozen people I know socially in Massachusetts who view themselves as independent centrists who would have definitely voted for Mccain over Obama if Mccain had picked, say, Olympia Snowe of Maine, or even Kay Bailey Hutcheson of Texas, but they, truly, recoiled in horror and disbelief when McCain picked the Whack Job from Wasulla.

I don't know if Mccain could have beaten Obama even with a different running mate, but I know the race would have been significantly closer.

Sarah Palin, more than almost anything else, cost Mccain the election. That's why I say, bring on "The Whack Job From Wasulla in 2012"

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October 2, 2009 1:57 PM   

You mean like Kerry's negotiations with the Sandanistas in 1985?

Within weeks of taking office in 1985, he was off to Nicaragua, accompanied by reporters on a 36-hour, self-appointed fact-finding mission with another freshman, Democratic Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa. Congressional Democrats had accused the White House of exaggerating the communist threat posed by the Sandinista regime. So the two senators were publicly castigated when -- just days after meeting with Daniel Ortega and other leaders of the regime -- the Sandinistas climbed aboard a plane to Moscow to cement their Soviet ties.

Secretary of State George Shultz declared that Kerry and Harkin had been "used" by the Nicaraguans, and he ridiculed them for their naivete in "dealing with the communists." Kerry was called "silly" in the Boston press.

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October 2, 2009 2:02 PM   

The last fresh piece of news I heard on this subject was at the end of Rachel Maddow's show last night -- about 10:00 p.m. EDT saying that the trip was back on. It is now 2:00 p.m. EDT, and there is no word anywhere that I can find as to whether this charming delegation of treasonists has actually taken off for/landed in Honduras.

If they've gone, I say, don't let 'em back in! (Well, you have to admit it would be fun for a few days.)

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October 2, 2009 3:25 PM    in reply to pattybee

They are in Honduras as I write, pattybee:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE59159Z20091002

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