Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will send a health care legislation to CBO today, and details of his proposal will be unveiled shortly thereafter, TPMDC has learned. A highly placed source suggests that Reid's preference remains to include a public option with an opt out clause, despite the fact that the White House is skeptical that this is the most politically viable strategy.
As TPMDC has reported, the move would make it much less likely that Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) will ultimately support the bill, and the White House conveyed skepticism to Reid last week that he was making the right call.
However, a senior White House official tells TNR's Jonathan Cohn that the White House will ultimately back whatever Reid decides to do. Sounds like we'll know for sure pretty soon.

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Homefries
October 26, 2009 10:49 AM
So many agendas, so little time.
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 10:50 AM
I am certainly looking forward to seeing something.
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erica
October 26, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Might not be such a bad idea to invite a filibuster. With the Republican party in such a mess, a populist approach like "Hey, look at the Republicans--they can't even choose between Big Business Interests and nutty Christian Fundamentalists. (Gingrich/Palin). Who are they to deny Americans decent, affordable health care?
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 10:51 AM
Perhaps someone can report whether Lieberman will support the bill. Ultimately, Reid's approach has the Democratic party playing Charlie Brown kicking the ball held in Traitor Joe's hands. It does not seem irrational for the administration to be a tad skeptical.
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Overreach THIS!
October 26, 2009 10:55 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
I'm not arguing and I'm not really informed on this, but does anyone believe that Lieberman is still on the fence? What the insurance companies headquarted as they are in Connecticut, Traitor Joe plans to do, right? "Support the bill" can't be their instructions. Question seems more whether he'll filibuster and I think he will, the snake.
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mans_best_friend
October 26, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
The last statements he made indicated that he would vote for cloture. Not that I trust him to actually do that.
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 11:10 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
If so, then
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 11:11 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
oops!
If so then so much the better.
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Overreach THIS!
October 26, 2009 1:01 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Oh, okay, interesting info. Thanks.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 26, 2009 11:26 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
The reporting is pretty clear that there are still two potential holdouts. Some say it's Lincoln and Nelson, some say it's Bayh and Nelson, some say it's two of Bayh, Nelson, Lieberman, Landrieu, and Lincoln. Most people seem to think that Conrad and Baucus will fight a public option tooth and nail but have too much to loose in terms of clout and committee positions to vote against cloture.
But the bottom line is, I think that there are only 52 solid votes for yes and one holdout at the end could suddenly find him or herself with seven friends.
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Overreach THIS!
October 26, 2009 1:10 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Thanks! Does sound like a nail-biter, NC Steve! Could Dems snatch defeat from jaws of victory?!
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Overreach THIS!
October 26, 2009 10:51 AM
Seems like defying the Pres. a little bit, no?
What do all our Reid-haters think about this; time for him to grow a pair as we are told, etc.? Serious question.
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Xantar
October 26, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I still don't buy the story that the Obama White House is pushing against the opt out public option just to get Olympia Snowe's vote. Obama is many things, but he's not a complete idiot. And it doesn't help that this is all coming from anonymous "sources" on the Senate who probably have their own agenda.
With that said, if this gives Harry Reid some cover to include the opt out public option because he appears to be defying the President, then so be it. It would mean that a public option will definitely be in the final bill that Obama signs, and that's a good thing.
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AJM
October 26, 2009 10:58 AM
Reid is doing better, Obama is doing worse.
The best you can say for Obama is that he is being a sidewalk supervisor, willing to offer criticism but not willing to get his hands dirty and join in the work. Obama seems to be saying that while a public option would be nice, you certainly don't expect me to expend any political capital to get it, do you?
Obama would be entitled to more respect for his good intentions if he had filbustered the telecom bill. As it is only his actions count.
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FreeRider
October 26, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to AJM
blah, blah, blah.
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KingElvis
October 26, 2009 1:42 PM in reply to AJM
I've been wrong before in doubting Obama's judgment, but...
Forget FDR, the comparison this time needs to be to LBJ.
BHO needs to kick ass and take some names the same way LBJ did for Medicare and Civil Rights in Halcyon Democrat days.
You don't get to be president by pissing people off, but the reality is that if you force people to buy expensive private insurance, the Democrats might as well just pack up and turn out the lights, because they will NEVER get the White House again if Ben Nelson, Max Baucus and Joe Lieberman get their way.
Never.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 26, 2009 11:00 AM
Whatever you say about him, this has to put an end to the "Harry's got no balls" meme. There was a lot of "he's very close to 60" stuff over the weekend. Lost amidst the jubiliation is the fact that "almost has 60" means means he doesn't have 60. Apparently, this concern is what was behind the "get Snowe on board" push from the White House last week. The concern wasn't about getting 61 instead of 60, it was their fear that it was going to be either 61 votes for cloture or 58 and, given that risk, they calculated that it was better to get a bad bill to conference where there was a chance to fix it than to risk getting no bill at all making it to conference.
Harry's apparently basically told them "screw that, I'm going to put it out there and dare the holdouts to vote with the Republicans," just like a lot of people in the netroots have been demanding. In the end, the White House said "okay, we're with you and we hope to God you know what you're doing."
I'd say that's pretty much exactly the right sentiment for everyone. Cross your fingers and hold your breaths, folks. We've got minimal leverage on the potential holdouts, so that's about all we can do.
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Steve LaBonne
October 26, 2009 11:03 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
This is why it's good when the leaders have to worry about their own seats. Harry clearly has been reading the polls that show voters in Nevada support a public option and expect him to deliver it.
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Xantar
October 26, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
It's times like this when I sort of wish I lived somewhere other than Montgomery County, Maryland. Both of my senators support health care reform with a public option, and my Congressman is Chris Van Hollen, not only a very progressive member of Congress but also chair of the DCCC. I call them just to make sure they're still in line, but they pretty much don't need any prodding from me.
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 11:21 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
May Reid be more successful than Pelosi last week.
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FreeRider
October 26, 2009 11:30 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Her vote counting concluded that she didn't have the votes for the most liberal public option (Medicare rates +5).
If she had brought the bill the floor and couldn't pass it, that would be considered a failure but she didn't.
I don't support the "robust" (medicare +5%) public option because medicare reimbursement rates are already too low in many parts of the country and a lot of docs won't accept medicare. We need a public option plan that doctors will accept.
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Indie Pro
October 26, 2009 11:30 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Pelosi said the atmosphere changed.
Some say the change was wanting to match what Reid would do
Some say her one on one with the Pres
but what changed is an unknown
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VivaAmerica!
October 26, 2009 11:37 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Actually it won't end the meme that he has no balls. Just wait until the next legislation and people will be raising money to unseat him.
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QuiteAlarmed
October 26, 2009 12:15 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Let's wait until we see the final result before we put an end to any memes. This wouldn't be the first time that Senator Reid staked out a strong position and then backed down.
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Overreach THIS!
October 26, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Harry's apparently basically told them "screw that, I'm going to put it out there and dare the holdouts to vote with the Republicans," just like a lot of people in the netroots have been demanding. In the end, the White House said "okay, we're with you and we hope to God you know what you're doing."
It seems like this is exactly what has happened. So for now, I agree totally about death of the meme.
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izzatxeaux
October 26, 2009 1:45 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
what with a major and highly influential constituency: Labor telling him - no triggers, no co ops, no taxes on benefits - it's not like someone with his numbers had a choice.
do not confuse a political life preserver with a spine
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Rich in NJ
October 26, 2009 11:03 AM
Contradictory stories abound.
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ru4862
October 26, 2009 11:06 AM
I don't know what or who to believe at this point, because there are so many contradicting stories. But i do know one thing, and that this Obama has become leaderless.
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FreeRider
October 26, 2009 11:13 AM in reply to ru4862
How can Obama become leaderless when he is the leader? If you're going to insult the president, make sense.
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Rich in NJ
October 26, 2009 11:14 AM in reply to ru4862
I think we have to await a final judgment on that until we see the final bill and the ensuing vote. As the saying goes, enacting legislation is like making sausage, so what looks like a leadership vacuum could be a shrewd strategy to round up votes for a bill worth passing.
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VivaAmerica!
October 26, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to ru4862
Your last sentence clearly states what you believe. A comment ripped straight from HuffPo.
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 11:54 AM in reply to ru4862
Yeah, I find this line of thinking hilarious. Obama has said FROM THE BEGINNING that the intention in dealing with the Senate on this is getting what you can passed and that differences would be ironed out in conference. I don't doubt he was skeptical that something without Snowe would get passed, especially with Lieberman dithering about and talking smack. But now, look what we have here, the Senate is on the verge, if the reports are true, of producing a bill that features a public option from the get-go, one that features a compromise (opt-out) that may even bring more Blue Dogs on in the House when the final version is voted upon.
So just think of it this way: If the reports about Reid are correct, that he put in an opt-out P.O. and he's confident he has the votes for it, we are likely looking at one of the better results we could have expected from this health care fight. Mandates, exchanges, robust subsidies and a public option that not only expands coverage but also becomes a political accountability item. It certainly appears Obama will get most of what he wanted when this process started, and he has been doing it by allowing others to feel the pressure.
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creo13
October 26, 2009 11:28 AM
Lost in all of this is the fact that most Americans will not benefit from this. Sen Wyden has a proposal that would allow EVERYONE to participate. Not just those without insurance now. He was forced to withdraw the amendment in committee. Under current proposals, folks with insurance through their employers will not be eligible for the new reforms. I don't understand the Dems not backing this proposal.
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oleeb
October 26, 2009 12:27 PM in reply to creo13
There's no mystery here. It's because they are doing the bidding of the insurance industry.
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nova voter
October 26, 2009 1:10 PM in reply to oleeb
hey, cheer up. you might come out of this with lower copays for your daily rides in the waaaahmbulance.
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rwc
October 26, 2009 3:14 PM in reply to oleeb
and also exactly!
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xargaw
October 26, 2009 2:08 PM in reply to creo13
Wyden got shafted by Baucus in committee. Baucus lied about the CBO and he knew it, but it was late at night and they killed it before the facts could be brought out. It was a dirty thing to do, but is further evidence that Baucus is bought and paid for and not on the side of the public.
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rwc
October 26, 2009 3:14 PM in reply to creo13
exactly
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Weeferdog
October 26, 2009 11:32 AM
Har-ry! Har-ry! Quite the turn of events, if true. I truly am flummoxed on Obama: if reports that he is a 'trigger' man are true, it roundly sucks. Yet is he that clueless? Does he really not see the effect this would have on the Democratic base (catastrophic) and the so-called 'independents' (who most likely wouldn't give a crap)? I can't -- or won't -- believe that.
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VivaAmerica!
October 26, 2009 11:49 AM in reply to Weeferdog
I am flummoxed on why people are shouting Har-ry! Har-ry! when last week and every week before that there were calls to have him kicked out of the Senate. What's going on here when people choose to put more confidence in someone who has rarely ever spoke out FOR the public option vs. the president who has stated over and over that he supports the PO. Yes, he's not yelling it from the roof tops but does he really need to do that just to get 2-8 more votes?
I don't think for a second that if the President voiced his support for the PO the way the base wants, that these hold outs will suddenly turn around. After all these months, the ads, the protests, the cbo scores, the sad stories - these people have still not decided or still will vote no? Grand proclamations aren't needed here, some private one-on-one, back room deals needs to happen.
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jdb316
October 26, 2009 11:57 AM in reply to Weeferdog
Maybe I'm reading this wrong. But it's sounding like Obama wasn't convinced that Reid really did have the votes to get it done his way and wanted to make sure he at least got something out of the Senate and into the conference committee. And if Reid really did have the votes and he didn't need Snowe...all the better.
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Weeferdog
October 26, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to jdb316
I was tongue-in-cheek there. It is ironic that Reid would be a hero now; of course that would only be if the rumors about Obama's cold feet are true. And like I said: I simply don't want to believe that. Of course, he might really have a 'bipartisanship' fetish, and if so ...
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cube3u
October 26, 2009 11:47 AM
Darn those Senate divas.....the confusion is over a handful of cloture votes....and it seems we have a few fluttery eyed Dem Senators who go one way and then the other.
Harry counts 'em one way; White House skeptics count 'em another way. A few of us out here wail about Joe, the Snake.
Darn those Senate divas...no one's paid them this much attention in their entire lives......
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 11:55 AM
"Conveyed skepticism" This sounds a lot weaker than the tone here last week.
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AdAbsurdum
October 26, 2009 12:06 PM in reply to jerryfatheart
Nice catch!
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Yeah, there is a big difference between "No, we're against that" and "Um, you sure you can get the votes there, Harry?"
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 26, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to jerryfatheart
Even a source who isn't deliberately trying to spin you is still just one of the proverbial blind guys describing an elephant. And if you take the time to find out what the other blind guys think about it, and you could end up going from having a scoop to getting scooped. It's a dilemma as old as journalism. it's just that in the old days you often had the better part a day to figure stuff out whereas on the Internet you've got about sixteen seconds.
The tricky bit is making yourself accept that the guy insistantly and authoratatively screaming "it's a rope! It's a rope! An elephant is like a rope!" may just have hold of the tail of the story and making sure that gets folded into the reporting the first time.
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unabogie
October 26, 2009 11:55 AM
You know, there's a reason why guys like Booman look prescient right now and ideologues on both sides look like Cassandras. People who keep gaming this out based on ideology love to make accusations such as that Obama is somehow driven by a bipartisanship fetish, wherein he covets Snowe's vote above a good bill, for some unknown reason based on Unity, or he's hell-bent on a Communist style takeover of the medical industry. The Neocons think in the same way, where the Enemies are driven by insane irrationality, rather than goals that they want to actually achieve.
In the end, until people admit that all the parties are operating under strategies and take the time to contemplate what those strategies are, they'll keep looking like they have no clue.
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mjshep
October 26, 2009 12:18 PM in reply to unabogie
Well said.
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synchronicity
October 26, 2009 12:02 PM
Great. Can the opt-out be removed by amendment? As it will make health insurance in swing states a political football and I am in one of the those states.
Can it be amended to be available to all Americans? I hope that the bill offered by Senator Reid gets Amended to be better than it is.
If we can stop pretending that a trigger is anything real, and if we can be clear who in the senate has the least bit intention of defying the American people and the caucus by trying to block an up or down vote. Then we can get to work on putting pressure on in the appropriate places.
Trigger, give me a break. Snowe seems like an idiot to me and I can't believe her constituents are being so supportive of her when she treats us all like idiots.
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Dorn76
October 26, 2009 12:07 PM
So now it's "skepticism"? What happened to "pushback"? Anonymous sources got cold feet or what?
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jerryfatheart
October 26, 2009 12:34 PM in reply to Dorn76
WH aide: Harry, we think your best chance to get this out of the Senate and into conference is the trigger option. Not what we want that, and we'll iron it out in conference, but we'll take it now.
Harry: Well, actually, I have the votes for this opt-out public option.
WH aide: Seriously? Even with Nelson and Lieberman talking the way they've been talking about it? We're dubious.
Harry: Nope, I'm sure we can get the votes.
WH aide: I dunno ... BUT, if you say you can get the votes, go for it.
OF COURSE this becomes "pushback" when you have congressional aides with agendas anonymously feeding ambitious reporters looking for a dramatic angle.
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Marshall650
October 26, 2009 12:10 PM
Here's a thought - I wonder if Obama is trying to help court the red state Senators by not pounding the table for the PO. I live in Oklahoma, and there's a ton of people here who are reflexively against anything that Obama is for. If Obama remains somewhat quiet, that might give the red state Senators a little more cover to get on board.
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oleeb
October 26, 2009 12:23 PM
The White House isn't in favor of what Reid appears to want to do, but they'll back whatever he says. I think it's pretty universally agreed that Reid is a weak leader (at best)who can't get Democrats to do anything in the Senate. How weak then is a White House that cannot get the limp wristed Harry Reid to do what it wants when it is the majority leader's job to carry the water for the President when they are in the same party? Pathetic. Just pathetic.
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FreeRider
October 26, 2009 12:36 PM in reply to oleeb
Says the insurance shill who constantly tries to torpedo any and all healthcare reform as "not good enough."
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oleeb
October 27, 2009 3:50 PM in reply to FreeRider
Anyone who disagrees with the troll is an insurance shill huh? Get a life.
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FreeRider
October 27, 2009 7:31 PM in reply to oleeb
Insurance shill. I'm sure you're thrilled that Lieberman has promised to filibuster the bill since it wasn't good enough for you.
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oleeb
October 28, 2009 6:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
Troll, go back under your bridge.
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FreeRider
October 29, 2009 9:37 AM in reply to oleeb
Hey, insurance shill! Still praying healthcare gets derailed under the guise of "not good enough"? I bet you sent Lieberman a big wet kiss!!
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sherifffruitfly
October 26, 2009 12:47 PM
Reid suuuure found an awful lot of spine, awfully quickly.
I'd be skeptical too, Obama
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dougom
October 26, 2009 1:17 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this fetishization of Olympia Snowe reveals something deeper. I have no idea what that thing may be, but perhaps the White House has done some kind of horse-trading with Snowe on this particular issue in order to gain support in some other area?
It's just a random thought, but honestly, the single-minded pursuit of Snowe simply makes little sense. When you have Howard Fineman, for cryin' out loud, telling you you're going to far, well, you know something's out of whack.
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Prudy
October 26, 2009 1:39 PM
I just want to ask, is anyone else really, really missing Ted Kennedy at this moment?
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rwc
October 26, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to Prudy
I sure am.
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