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Speaking at her weekly press conference just off the House floor moments ago, Speaker Nancy Pelosi made her most impassioned argument in weeks, for including a public option in comprehensive health care reform legislation, arguing against the idea, favored by some conservative Democrats, of mandating that people buy health insurance,\ and then throwing them into what she called the "lion's den" of the private insurance industry.

In so doing, Pelosi came closer than any member of the Democratic leadership has thusfar to suggesting that the individual mandate should be conditional on the inclusion of a public option. Pelosi did not elaborate, when pressed by TPMDC, on whether Congress would revisit the individual mandate if the public option can't survive the Senate. But her implication was fairly clear.

The House, she said, "will not force America's middle income families to negotiate with insurance companies."

Health care experts agree that health insurance market reforms can not work unless everybody is in the risk pool--and that means a mandate. But privately, many activists and experts believe that a strong individual mandate is also a gift to the insurance industry, and that it should be used as a bargaining chip to secure other robust measures, such as the public option.

Pelosi declined to comment on the uncertainty about the public option in the Senate, but said her goal was to make sure that the House has as much leverage as possible when House and Senate negotiators meet to iron out differences between the bills in conference.

"I want to send our conferees to the table with the most muscle for America's middle class," she said.

This is about going into that room and coming out with the best coverage and the lowest cost for America's working families. I believe that that is best achieved by going to the table with the public option. I believe that the arguments are very convincing, public support is there, and, by the way, the dollars. The robust public option that is being considered in the House saves $110 billion. How can you ignore that?

Pelosi said that House health care leaders will make a decision about whether to endorse a Medicare-like public option in "the next few days." In that time, the House will ask the CBO to evaluate the savings potential of three different public option proposals, and make a final determination based on the results.

Like a number of Democrats in the Senate, Pelosi jumped on the insurance industry's recent anti-reform actions, including a discredited AHIP report the industry propagated to raise unfounded doubts about the impact a health care overhaul will have on insurance premiums.

"Anyone who had any doubts about the need for such an option need only look at the...health insurance industry this week. They put out a report on health insurance reform--specifically addressed to the Senate bill--which has been totally discredited...and then later in the week, in order to change the subject I guess, they launched a more than $1,000,000 TV ad campaign to falsely tell America's seniors that they would be hurt by what happens to Medicare in the health reform bills."

Pelosi didn't go so far as to predict that the bill President Obama signs will include a public option--and she even suggested that at points along the way the name and design of the government insurance plan might change. But she repeated, definitively, that the House's package will be strong on that score.

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October 15, 2009 12:07 PM   

Wow. Good on her!!

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October 16, 2009 1:06 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

I agree that Pelosi has finally showed her toughness and its a welcoming sign of hope. Now its time for all the real Democrats to step up to the plate!

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October 15, 2009 12:19 PM   

Hang tough, Nancy. If all we're getting is a mandate to buy insurance with few meaningful cost control mechanisms, then the bill should be scuttled.

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October 15, 2009 12:27 PM   

This is the sort of movement that HAS to happen. It has to start in the House. If it's not in the House, there is no way we win. Nancy needs to be clear: with the public option, it passes pretty clearly in the House. Without it, the House becomes much more difficult because the House believes that the subsidies in the Senate bill are no where near what's needed to keep premiums affordable for American families.

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October 15, 2009 3:40 PM    in reply to Mateo123

Never forget that the House represents the human beings of this country. The Senate represents the states, giving equal weight to the empty prairies of Montana and the crowded cities of California and the Northeast.

The Senate is therefore much less susceptible to public opinion than the House. As it become more and more obvious that the human citizens of this country (seems like corporations are now "citizens" too) want the public option, the House will become more and more solidly behind it.

And don't forget, there's a real leader, with real power in the House. If the ReThugs didn't fear Pelosi so much, you wouldn't see them demean her so much. Not hearing a whole lot of ReThug insults about Reid, are you?

As to putting pressure on Senators, as individuals, I'm sending money to MSNBC's (Olberman's) fund to put on free health care clinics in the big cities of waivering Dem's states. If a Cigna executive can get persuaded by the number of people who show up to them, hopefully so can mere lapdogs of Cigna (and other "health" insurance companies).

Donate at www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ or freeclinics.us

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October 15, 2009 4:44 PM    in reply to Cal Gal

Senators are feudal barons. It makes about as much sense. Good value for money though: you only need to buy two per state, and those little state reelection campaigns are so much cheaper than the ones in populous states.

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October 15, 2009 12:28 PM   

Now if only the male dems, from the prez on down, would strap on a set as
big as Nancy's.

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October 15, 2009 2:13 PM    in reply to salame

You nailed it!

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October 15, 2009 12:29 PM   

Linking the public option to the individual mandate is absolutely brilliant from a political standpoint and there's even a sound policy logic behind it, too.

The downside is that without an individual mandate and a public option, health insurance premiums would be much more likely to rise which, in turn, would leave plenty of people uninsured unless subsidies are raised considerably (which should probably be done anyway).

But of course the best outcome is an individual mandate with a robust public option. And what Pelosi is doing makes this more likely.

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October 15, 2009 12:58 PM    in reply to Moose49

"Linking the public option to the individual mandate is absolutely brilliant from a political standpoint and there's even a sound policy logic behind it, too."

I think that's a good way for Progressive to weave the narrative.

John

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October 15, 2009 1:04 PM    in reply to tosh

It should have been weaved that way from day one. Dems really need to work on their packaging-of-ideas skills. How long have we had to deal with the Republican's "government takeover of healthcare" jargon? And the Dems only put these words together now? Jeez.

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October 15, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to matyra

Dems are terrible with Narratives.

The Obama Campaign was quite good with them. They've been less good with them since taking office. Dems in Congress are terrible at it.

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October 15, 2009 1:35 PM    in reply to tosh

True. I think part of the problem is that Dems actually care about policy and when you do, it's easy to get caught up in the details and lose sight of the narrative. Repugnuts, on the other hand, don't give a shit about policy -- they just want to win politically and use their power to enrich their cronies. That makes it much easier to focus on narrative.

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October 15, 2009 2:05 PM    in reply to tosh

That is because that end of Pennsylvania Ave. doesn't control the legislative process at all. It would politically suicidal (and thus policy suicide) for the White House to draw lines in the sand while the sausage gets made. They have veto power (literally) over the product, but it is woefully misguided to think that the administration must drive this, or that it should drive this while the sausage is made.

Look at what happened when the Clinton administration tried to drive healthcare reform by drawing up the plan, then presenting it to Congress expecting Congressional Dems. to die politically for a bill they had no hand in crafting. It died without even getting a vote. The system is no different now. This will be a fight on the Hill to get a bill, as it should be. And the Obama administration learned the lessons from 93-94, as well as lessons from other administrations about trying to be the driver on big policy on the hill from the other end of Pennsylvania Ave. Witness Bush's failures on immigration reform and on Social Security privatization for example. And that was with a rubber stamp GOP majority.

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October 15, 2009 2:32 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

Plus, you'd get sand in the sausage.

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October 15, 2009 3:15 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

Obama's deal with Pharma, how does that work in your theory of how they are playign this game?

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

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October 15, 2009 8:32 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

It keeps them from flooding the airwaves with billions of dollars worth of anti-healthcare reform "Harry & Lousie" ad buys while the sausage making goes on.

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October 15, 2009 3:49 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

I agree. We're all too obsessed with watching the sausage being made. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't call, call, call and email, email, email to let them know what we think.

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October 15, 2009 4:51 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

I bet key individual Senators have things that only a President can provide. It all has to happen behind the scenes, but I think he can have a big influence on how policy's crafted. We can't know how much Obama's been guiding legislators, but he's had quite a few up to the White House for tea. I'm assuming he's not doing all the listening...

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October 15, 2009 1:01 PM    in reply to Moose49

The best option, of course, is single payer, but short of that it is a strong PO, an individual mandate AND an employer one.

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October 15, 2009 1:32 PM    in reply to rwc

Yes, absolutely. There must be an employer mandate. Otherwise, workers will be losing coverage everywhere you look.

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October 15, 2009 2:40 PM    in reply to Moose49

I strongly disagree with an employer mandate. We must move AWAY from employment-based health insurance. It is one of the major reasons that the health insurance industry is messed up. It exacerbates unemployment problems when the economy goes sour. It reduces the power of workers to negotiate for wages. It adds risk to small business establishment and growth, and small businesses are the major factor in job creation.

If people get dumped off of insurance by their employers, it won't be great, but it will draw people toward the public option because it will be the cheapest. It will also remove a murky compensation system, and increase tax revenue because it will no longer be deducted as a business expense by the employers. Also, individuals will not have to subsidize the cut rates given to group plans.

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October 15, 2009 3:27 PM    in reply to Organus

I don't disagree with you in principle. In an ideal world, we'd have single-payer and that would once for all decouple health insurance from employment. However, under the hybrid plan that's on the table now, I think an employer mandate is the only way to ensure a level playing field. That said, I do find a lot of appeal on Ron Wyden's proposal to open up the insurance exchanges to all -- not just to individuals without insurance and small businesses -- especially if a public option is part of the mix. That may eventually lead to the goal you want but in a less disruptive or at least less harsh way.

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October 15, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to Moose49

I think linking work to insurance is a terrible idea, except maybe in the case of huge employers like IBM. They should slowly try to decouple them and work on making insurance pools as big and varied as possible. To the same end, it would make sense to allow insurance companies to sell across state lines.

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October 15, 2009 12:29 PM   

I think that the picture attached to this story tells you everything you need to know. The House leadership (represented by Speaker Pelosi) is clear and intelligible. The Senate leadership (if it can be called that) is fuzzy and indistinct. An apt summary of the state of our Legislature.

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October 15, 2009 1:06 PM    in reply to A Missouri voter

Possibly an apt description of the two institutions pretty much since the First Congress, actually.

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October 15, 2009 12:32 PM   

Can Harry Reid go over to Speaker Pelosi's office and see if he can borrow her balls? Cuz Harry sure isnt gonna lift his skirt and grow a pair anytime soon!

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October 15, 2009 1:35 PM    in reply to btbradley86

I suggest the Majority Leader look in the locked drawer in Rahm's office

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October 15, 2009 12:35 PM   

So we've got multiple versions of HCR in the Senate, with all but one having the Public Option. And then we've got Nancy's promise that the House bill will have the Public Option. And Obama will sign anything that has "HCR" on the title that is finally given to him, if only so he can move on.

My thinking is that we'll end up with Public Option. Maybe it won't be as strong as some want. Maybe it will will have a trigger or an opt-in thing-a-ma-bob. But it's looking good that it will be there in some shape, form, or fashion. Yeah, it's going to duplicate Medicare in some areas (why couldn't this just be a Medicare expansion, if only for efficiency?), won't be perfect, and will need future revisions, for sure.

But, hell, it's looking good that there will come a day in the near future that we are going to see that 40-50 uninsured Americans covered. That's something to look forward to.

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October 15, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to matyra

triggers and opt-in's are not strong public options

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October 15, 2009 12:48 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

No, they are not. I'm just saying that the sinking feeling that "the public option may be dead" that many were feeling over the summer looks like was fear misplaced.

What kind of public option we end up with is still being decided. But it's looking good that it will be there, correct?

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October 15, 2009 12:51 PM    in reply to matyra

Yes, I agree that the drum beat of "the public option is dead" is dead. How many times has George Stephanopoulos uttered that exact phrase? Many many times.

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October 15, 2009 1:01 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

heh, George does have his memes, does he not?

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October 15, 2009 2:09 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

Opt-outs is the only way you get a real PO. You do realize that Medicare was an opt-in program at the state level, yes?

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October 15, 2009 2:11 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

you do realize that medicare was not a mandate for citizens to purchase the product of a private company with no cost controls put in place?


I agree on the opt out.

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October 15, 2009 2:45 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

Agreed about the mandate aspect of it. But that is why no state would opt-out. You want to be a State pol and vote to opt-out and try and sell it to your constituents that you don't want them to have an option?

I think the opt-out move is the most brilliant possible component in the this whole thing. It works on many, many levels politically, which in the end will force the better policy position forward.

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October 16, 2009 3:54 AM    in reply to Lestatdelc

I saw in NYT the recent write-up of Bachmann's district. How can and out-and-out loon remain competitive in her district? Some low-information voter explained that a lot of people like some "straight talk." That state ain't gonna opt out, but Idaho and some of its neighbors? Oklahoma? Utah?

Your strategy assumes that people will act in their self-interest. What about people who prefer straight talk, like they get from Beck and the insurance cartel?

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October 15, 2009 12:59 PM    in reply to matyra

lol, 40-50 million uninsured Americans. If only it was only 40 to 50 Americans....

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October 15, 2009 12:59 PM    in reply to matyra

Q: How many legs does a horse have, if you call a tail a leg?
A: 4.

Just 'cause you call a tail a leg, doesn't make a tail a leg. We don't win if we end up with some neutered, "triggered", opted-out in the states with the most uninsured citizens, bullshit "thing-a-ma-bob" the AHIP whores approve of, just cause they still call it a public option.

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October 15, 2009 1:13 PM    in reply to melior

If those uninsured Americans can ride on the horse, I'll even be happy saying that it has 5 legs. I would like a strong public option. I'd like Single Payer even more.

But I don't care one way or the other whether insurance companies can eek out a profit from HCR, as long as all Americans are covered at a sustainable price. It isn't about company greed; it's about protecting people and families. Whatever we end up with, if no one has to worry about the next exam's test results (at least money-wise), then we've done something great, right? Big picture.

Ok, rant over. I do have to say that I'm encouraged that we're now packaging the mandate with the public option. One without the other is a bit strange, no?

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October 15, 2009 5:07 PM    in reply to matyra

I don't think it would be affordable with a trigger because I don't think it would ever become available. Insurance companies would pick the criteria apart, they'd dance around regulations, triggers would never be triggered.

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October 15, 2009 2:07 PM    in reply to melior

Opt-out at the state level is what will get us a solid, robust PO.

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October 15, 2009 1:27 PM    in reply to matyra

You're a hell of lot more optimistic than I am. I really hope you are right but I doubt it.

I hope you all noticed that the Senate leadership panel of Baucus, Dodd and Reid that will put the Senate bill together now has one more member - Snowe! NPR first reported it yesterday and it has been ignored by the press, except for Olbermann last night who mentioned it.

And, of course, you have the White House singing the praises of Snowe, not progressive senators (on the health bill at least) like Rockefeller, Schumer , etc.

What's more, you all noticed, I hope, Reid's reaction to Schumer's idea to have the PO put in the overall Senate bill so that it would take 60 votes to have it taken out, not 60 votes to have it added. A great idea. But Reid yesterday was obviously throwing cold water on that idea, and certainly with Snowe now having a vote in this exclusive panel, it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Look at that panel: Snowe and Baucus are against the PO; Reid certainly isn't a bold defender of it; the White House, especially Rahm, have made plenty of noises indicating they are willing to throw the PO overboard; and finally Dodd, supposedly the big defender of the PO. I have my doubts even about him, coming from a state where big insurance firms have dominated politics for a long time. I much rather would have had Harkin, the new chairman of the Senate Health committee, as the rep in this elite panel.

I say the fix is in, just like Reich said in a column a few weeks ago, the WH cut a deal with insurers months ago to kill or neuter the PO in return for the industry not financing an opposition campaign against the rest of the reform bill. Maybe our only hope is that the insurance industry blast against the Baucus bill this week has pissed off the WH so much they will call off the deal.

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October 15, 2009 12:37 PM   

So what has the House been doing these past few months? Their 3 committees voted bills out long ago. Shouldn't they already have a single House bill by now?

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October 15, 2009 12:39 PM   

Good for Pelosi but, I wish that they had alredy had the CBO quietly do this cost study on each of the bils with the public option weeks ago. It would have made great tv as well to see her introduce each one at the very first meeting to combine the bills. They'd all sit there with their mouths open for a few minutes before declaring that they now have to study the stuides. Anyway, as long as the House refuses to vote for a bill without a public option, they'll wrestle any power already given to the duplicitous blue dogs. They need to be reminded that they joined our party...not the other way around. As someone said yesterday, they get to enjoy the benefits of being in the MAJORITY PARTY without carrying any of the weight. It's a disgrace that they have been allowed to control this debate for so long but, it should end now! Send Ms. Snowe back to her party of losers and pass strong legislation!

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October 15, 2009 12:41 PM   

Top Ten Reasons Obama will sign a bill including a Public Option:
10. It was a campaign promise.
9. Democrats LIKE being the Majority Party.
8. Wants to see if Rush Limbaugh’s head will explode.
7. Public Option death panels needed to weed out Republicans.
6. Blue Dogs won’t hunt when threatened with loss of committee chairs.
5. Baucus gets to keep Health Industry money even after failing to scuttle Public Option. Hey, he tried!
4. It will piss off Fox News.
3. Obama plans on a second term.
2. Snowe & Collins unable to pledge $60 million per month to Obama’s reelection campaign.
… and the number ONE reason Obama will sign a Healthcare Bill including a Public Option:
1. It’s the right thing to do.
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October 15, 2009 12:47 PM    in reply to 21stCenturyMan

just in case someone has a problem with number 10:

"Barack Obama’s Plan for a Healthy America"

The Obama plan both builds upon and improves our current insurance system, upon which most Americans continue to rely, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. The Obama plan also addresses the large gaps in coverage that leave 45 million Americans uninsured. Specifically, the Obama plan will: (1) establish a new public insurance program available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers, as well as to small businesses that want to offer insurance to their employees; (2) make available the National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly; (3) require all employers to contribute towards health coverage for their employees; (4) mandate all children have health care coverage; (5) expand Medicaid and SCHIP to cover more of the least well-off among us; and (6) allow state flexibility for state health reform plans.

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October 15, 2009 12:46 PM   

I love it when she talks like this!

If she helps get us a real public option bill, we WILL reward good behavior. And if not, we WILL fight to keep those responsible from getting re-elected.

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October 15, 2009 12:47 PM   

It's hard to imagine a bigger disaster, from either a political or policy perspective, than mandating that people buy insurance without providing a real means of making it affordable. Why these so-called "conservative" Democrats do not understand this seemingly simple point is difficult to grasp without jumping to some very cynical conclusions.

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October 15, 2009 12:52 PM   

I agree with Pelosi's implication.

If there is no public option, then there shouldn't be an individual mandate, either.

Forcing people to buy private health insurance is both bad policy and bad politics. It would make the private health insurance companies stronger while angering voters against Congressional Democrats.

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October 15, 2009 1:07 PM   

This may well be Nancy's moment in history. For better or worse, she is the last and the only line of defense. Not the Democratic White House or the Democratic Senate!

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October 15, 2009 1:33 PM    in reply to kash79

Sadly, Kash says it all: Nancy Pelosi - "she is the last and the only line of defense. Not the Democratic White House or the Democratic Senate!" There is so much self-serving looking-for-cover behavior going on that I find it embarrassing. Nancy Pelosi appears to be the only constant in this battle. There are many smaller voices being heard but she has the soapbox and refuses to get down till she gets us all what we voted for. I do not trust the President anymore. Why he let this dance continue for as long as it has makes me suspicious of his motivations.


politically coward A small handful of those that represent us reps

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October 15, 2009 5:20 PM    in reply to sisterkevin

There could be political reasons for Obama to keep his powder dry PUBLICLY. Who knows what he's pushing for privately. I know people are skeptical. Rightfully so, on a number of counts. I've never been able to warm up to the guy. On a number of counts he has betrayed the civil rights agenda and liberal standards of economic justice. But, again, he's been conferencing with Congressmen, Snowe, etc. Maybe to bargain the public option away. Maybe just the opposite. Maybe he's twisting arms to get it included. We can't know.

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October 15, 2009 1:08 PM   

In that time, the House will ask the CBO to evaluate the savings potential of three different public option proposals, and make a final determination based on the results.

As if she didn't know there was a direct correlation between how wingnut infuriatingly "socialistic" it is and budget savings. That snapping sound you hear is Nancy dealing from a stacked deck. Heh.

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October 15, 2009 1:10 PM   

"Public support is there."

Wow. You mean someone in government actually cares what the public wants. What a concept.

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October 15, 2009 1:26 PM   

It should be noted that the difference is not so much between the house and senate as between the finance committee and everyone else.

Why do they need so much leverage to overcome one committee?

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October 15, 2009 2:10 PM   

The log jam is Joe Lieberman, Bill Nelson, and Blanche Lincoln.
They can be persuaded.

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October 15, 2009 2:17 PM   

Anyone else notice that in the corner the ad is from Americans for Prosperity. A group distinctly against health care reform.

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October 15, 2009 2:24 PM   

Baucus bill taxes expensive health plans (this will hit some middle class folks in dangerous occupations)

House bill taxes the super wealthy (Isn't it about time they pay back just a tiny bit of what Bush gave them?)

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October 15, 2009 2:40 PM   

You go girl! The only one in the dem party with real balls no matter wha the cost is she is always willing to fight.

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October 15, 2009 2:42 PM   

Hey! maybe Ricky Pery won't take the public option for Texas....he's too bust pulling the lever for death row innocent folks.

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October 15, 2009 2:46 PM   

"House bill taxes the super wealthy (Isn't it about time they pay back just a tiny bit of what Bush gave them?)"

Which House bill, there are three of them.

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October 15, 2009 3:05 PM   

Nice rock and a hard place for insurance companies, favor a public option or face no mandate but still need to take all applicants. Add that to the move over in the Senate to strip/limit the insurance industries anti-trust exemption and we have two great examples of political hard ball. Now if only the White House would grow some balls.

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October 15, 2009 3:11 PM   

-Lestatdel
A quick google search refers to "House Ways and Means Panel" and "House tri-committee" health care reform bill

Health care surtax in House bill applies only to income dollars more than $350,000 for households (Tax rate of 1 percent)

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October 15, 2009 3:43 PM   

Go Speaker Pelosi.

No public option, no mandates.

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October 15, 2009 4:31 PM   

If it is Waxman going to conference, I have all the believe in the world that my favorite Congressperson will get the job done.

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October 15, 2009 5:25 PM    in reply to theone718

Yes, he's another terrier. Hope he's in. Weiner or Conyers would be OK. How many Congressmen are involved?

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