Speaking to reporters just outside the Senate chamber this afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid scoffed at the suggestion--articulated last night by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)--that the public option is simply in his hands.
"He would rather say anything so it wasn't up to him," Reid said, before departing for a meeting with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, and Sens. Max Baucus (D-MT) and Chris Dodd (D-CT). The four will hold the first meeting about how to shape a health care bill that will soon be introduced on the Senate floor.
Other senators have been significantly less vocal than Schumer (at least in public) with respect to what steps Reid should take to include the public option. I caught up with Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin and asked him whether he agreed with Schumer. He said, "I'm definitely for the public option, I want it included in the final bill. I'm gonna leave it up to the Majority Leader's judgment and the vote of the Senate as to when that's going to take place."
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) was less forthcoming. "I never second guess the leadership on what kind of procedural moves they make," he said. "I just vote as I choose. I don't comment on their decisions."

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KeithL
October 14, 2009 3:07 PM
Classy Harry! If you think he's shirking, then let him in on the negotiations. You can't have a secret club and blame others for not being there. Schmuck!
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johnmccsf
October 14, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to KeithL
I didn't know Schumer had been drummed out of the Caucus.
Nice retort Harry. I wish you'd give Joe Lieberman half as much hell
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DA in LA
October 14, 2009 3:08 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but how is it not in Reid's hands?
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dougom
October 14, 2009 4:34 PM in reply to DA in LA
Exactly. Are you the Majority Leader, Mr. Reid, or are you just some corporate patsy who doesn't want to take a hit with your corporate masters when real reform passes?
The answer is left as an exercise for the student.
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tosh
October 14, 2009 11:04 PM in reply to DA in LA
It is in his and the White House's hands. Neither of them want the PO, and are looking for ways to kill it off. So they allow the ConservaDems of the Caucus to Pocket Filabuster it rather than actually take a vote on the floor to support a GOP filabuster. It's big reason Baucus and others were so happy to have Snowe keep her feet in the process by voting for the Wellpoint-Baucus Bill. People can talk about it giving cover to the ConservaDems to vote for the final bill, but it misses the real point: it gives the White House and the ConservaDems cover to water down the bill between now and the final vote and hold off the Progressives not just through the coming floor vote, but also through Conference. Watch Snowe magically have her name get tossed around during Conference, and even before that by Blue Dogs when they start working to water down the TriCom bills before they pass the House.
It's all part of gaming the system. History is calling Snowe, and she's playing it to the hilt.
John
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rosebowl
October 14, 2009 3:09 PM
Reid needs a spine transplant. He's the epitome of the jello.
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Cal Gal
October 14, 2009 5:58 PM in reply to rosebowl
Cactus jello, maybe. He certainly was prickly about Schumer! Learned on Top Chef Las Vegas that cactus is kind of bland and slimy, so that fits, too.
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VivaAmerica!
October 14, 2009 3:11 PM
I don't trust either one of them.
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izzatxeaux
October 14, 2009 3:26 PM in reply to VivaAmerica!
none of us do. but enjoy Schumer publicly tightening the screws
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The BBQ Chicken Madness
October 14, 2009 3:13 PM
Wow, the pressure coming from the left must be getting to him. This seems to be very clearing throwing Sen. Schumer under the bus.
I'd love to see Sen. Schumer come out and say:
"If it were up to me, it's in the Bill. Done. I've made my decision."
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ondioline
October 14, 2009 4:20 PM in reply to The BBQ Chicken Madness
Unless I missed something during the meteor shower, Schumer's been one of the consistent voices for a public option. If Harry wants to pretend like he's got a stronger track record, he needs to be careful that he's picking on the right Senator...
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dannyluv
October 14, 2009 3:14 PM
SOMEONE GROW A SPINE HERE! ANYONE.............
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docrocktex
October 14, 2009 3:16 PM
and he wonders why his poll numbers are so awful. i don't mind if he loses, even if it means he loses to a GOPer. he's a waste of space
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Seafarer
October 14, 2009 3:20 PM
Classic case of being more concerned for the longevity of your career rather than doing the right thing--but I truly hope I'm wrong.
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Cal Gal
October 14, 2009 6:00 PM in reply to Seafarer
Never forget that Harry's a Mormon, and LDS is a corporatist religion.
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Walter Mitty
October 14, 2009 3:21 PM
Put it in then Harry. Don't hide behind Sen. Snowe. If a robust public option has 51 votes put it on the floor and force the GOP and Conservadems to filibuster.
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Dorn76
October 14, 2009 3:21 PM
Is this the Majority Leader talking?
Wow is he ever milquetoast.
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CT Voter
October 14, 2009 3:21 PM
That's our Harry! Always ready and willing to take on a challenge!
That said, this was a pretty nasty think to say about Chuck. But I kind of like Chuck's approach: telegraphing that if this doesn't get done, blame it on Harry!
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CT Voter
October 14, 2009 3:22 PM in reply to CT Voter
Thing, think. What's the diff?
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Tom Wells
October 14, 2009 3:21 PM
Reid is a coward. Kiss the public option good-bye. Dodd can't do it alone.
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xargaw
October 14, 2009 3:28 PM
The only way Reid can toss this football is to resign as Majority Leader. Harry, being Majority Leader means assuming the responsibilty of leadership. What part of 3/4 of the country wanting a PO don't you get? What part of bringing Democratic Senators on board for the good of the country don't you get? You do understand that without a strong PO, your re-election in 2010 is toast, don't you?
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commie atheist
October 14, 2009 3:38 PM in reply to xargaw
Beat me to it. Agree 100%.
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Cal Gal
October 14, 2009 6:01 PM in reply to xargaw
It's probably toast anyway. That's why he's showing no leadership. He wants to save his phony-baloney Senate job (/ref Blazing Saddles).
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 3:29 PM
Is Rahm behind a public option? Any indication? Is he going to twist arms for a public option? Wasn't that why he was brought on? A master of legislative process?
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rwc
October 14, 2009 3:38 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
no he is not behind the PO
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timba
October 14, 2009 4:35 PM in reply to rwc
Rahm has been behind the PO all along - right behind it - pushing it over the freaking cliff as hard and fast as he can. He never misses a chance to trash the public option, trash the progressives who elected obama or try to rig the game to benefit corporations.
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rbeats
October 14, 2009 3:57 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
No Rahm Emanuel is behind the insurance companies, big pharma, and wall street. We've been over this before, that is why Obama hired him.
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ondioline
October 14, 2009 4:25 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
The sad thing is, it shouldn't matter what Rahm or Obama wants. The Legislature isn't in place to do fifteen things. You don't get a dome and fancy columns and a bunch of statues to not know what your job is; The Democratic Party is in the majority in both houses of Congress. Harry Reid is a Democrat. Harry Reid is the Majority Leader. Unless Obama is willing to veto a bill with a public option in it, his position on this shouldn't matter one damned bit.
Majority Leader. Leader of the Majority. The Majority that wants a Public Option... You're in the Legislature. LEGISLATE. Don't hide behind Rahm. Don't hide behind Obama. Don't hide behind Snowe. Don't hide behind Schumer. LEAD YOUR EFFING MAJORITY!
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 4:44 PM in reply to ondioline
Obama's in a place to help if he wants it, buck the guy up. But that doesn't seem to be happening in public, at least. The weird thing is with an opt out, it doesn't seem that risky. I mean: your state can opt out, then you can opt out if you prefer the high premiums and claims combat private insurance provide. What the hell? This should be a shoo-in.
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ondioline
October 15, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to Tanjaoui
If Harry Reid were on fire, I wouldn't give Obama a glass of water so that he could piss out the flames. How long has he been in the Senate? How did he get to be the Majority Leader if he needs to be "bucked up"? Gimme a break! This isn't day care!
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mfpdx
October 15, 2009 2:01 AM in reply to Tanjaoui
Rahm is a corporatist blue dog; of course he isn't FOR a public option, though Obama could make him back it anyway, I suppose.
He's certainly one of the biggest disappointing picks, IMO, that Obama put in his administration...
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TJ1
October 14, 2009 3:29 PM
The Senate Democratic caucus needs a leader who leads, not one who refuses to acknowledge his power. Does Senator Reid fit this description of caucus leader? Is it time to get a leader who accepts the responsibility without trying to pass off the hard parts? It seems to me that this statement of Senator Reid's, at this time, is enough to begin reorganization of the Senate leadership, at this time.
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Cal Gal
October 14, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to TJ1
I wonder if behind the scenes this is exactly what Schumer is doing. That would certainly explain why Harry is so testy about it (in addition to being behind in Nevada polls).
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 11:44 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Yeah, Schumer seems seriously ambitious to me. I'm with him on the po, but I think he's behind it for all the wrong reasons. He's showing what he can do now, bucking for Reid's leadership position, I bet. Christ, who would want it.
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theWalrus
October 14, 2009 3:30 PM
Thank You, Fearless Leader!
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Rich in NJ
October 14, 2009 3:30 PM
It's comical that he has the title of leader.
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DF
October 14, 2009 3:33 PM
Shorter Reid: How dare Chuck Schumer remind people that I'm the Senate Majority Leader?
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LBJs Brain
October 14, 2009 3:35 PM
Oh Jeebus. With 3/4 of the public wanting this, you'd think they'd be happy to take ownership. Hell, *I'll* do it...
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izzatxeaux
October 14, 2009 4:03 PM in reply to LBJs Brain
his troubles are compounded when you look at what Labor is saying to him in NV and nationally - 'a non taxed PO benefit please - or we stay home'
so, why the non commit, why that 'PO in some form' language ?? could it be a certain WH electoral Master of the Universe doesn't want to see it in the bill ??
hmmmm
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commie atheist
October 14, 2009 3:36 PM
"He would rather say anything so it wasn't up to him," Reid said
Well, Harry, if it's not up to you, maybe you should resign as Majority Leader and let someone else take the job, preferably someone who is willing to take responsibility for what his party does or doesn't do. What a weenie.
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ondioline
October 14, 2009 4:18 PM in reply to commie atheist
Hell, I'd be much more comfortable with Schumer than with Reid, so if Harry thinks Chuck is el matador, doesn't that make him el toro?
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rwc
October 14, 2009 3:36 PM
Just listened to NPR's talk of the nation and they said the caucus of Reid, Dodd and Baucus includes one more senator -- yes, you guessed it, Snowe, who got the seat in return for her vote yesterday. You can kiss the PO goodbye.
I'm not even convinced that Dodd, whose state includes a lot of powerful insurance companies, can be counted on to stand up to the insurance lobby.
And certainly the Obama White House, the other party in the panel that will decide the makeup of the Senate bill, continues to suck up to Snowe and be mealy-mouthed on the PO.
I think it's clear, Robert Reich was correct in his column a few weeks ago that the White House cut a deal with the insurance lobby months ago to kill or neuter (Snowe's trigger?) the PO option, just like their deal with Big Pharma on not cutting prices more.
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Cal Gal
October 14, 2009 6:14 PM in reply to rwc
This, then, makes it absolutely TRUE what Schumer said. Because you know Snowe and Bawkus are against the PO. Assuming (albeit a BIG assumption) that Dodd is for the PO, that leaves it in Reid's hands.
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Mateo123
October 14, 2009 3:51 PM
The trouble with all of this discussion is this: the White House really doesn't want a public option. I know, Obama campaigned for it, but if the White House wanted a public option, it would have demanded one months ago. Months. Folks, it's October 14 and we have no bill yet. Remember that 4th of July deadline? How about the July 31 deadline? Remember the Labor Day recess? They don't want a public option.
It has to come from the House. Anyone who thinks that this Senate bill is going to include a public option is crazy. Reid, Dodd, Baucus -- they're all paid for by insurance companies. They're all fearful of a public option. So unless the liberals in the House say, adamantly, "we have enough votes to kill ANY bill without a public option," the White House and Max, Chris, and Harry will skip the public option.
And, we'll be another step closer to losing control of one or both Houses.
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 4:48 PM in reply to Mateo123
Or if Rocky and Schumer decide not to vote for anything without a po.
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rwc
October 14, 2009 6:34 PM in reply to Mateo123
Exactly right. And ironically -- well, actually, maybe justifiably -- it will be mostly the conservadems, who refused to vote for a real progressive plan that would win the public's favor once they saw the results, who will pay the price. And of course so shall we and the rest of the nation, as their replacements will no doubt be even worse Republicans.
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punkdavid
October 14, 2009 3:53 PM
Worst. Leader. Ever.
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sanssouci0
October 14, 2009 3:56 PM
We need Moveon. or some other progressive group to set up a fund with a trigger that will automatically give the money raised to Reid's republican challenger IF the bill does not include a triggerless public option.
These Reid and Schumer comments stink. They are already squabbling about who to blame if there is no trigger in the bill. I have no faith in the Democratic Senate or Rahm Emmanuel. When will Obama realize that close to 20% of dem's DO NOT approve of his work thus far, and most of those are progressives? Move to the left-NOW- or move on out.
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matyra
October 14, 2009 4:13 PM
Why does Nelson crack me up? He won't vote for health care reform without Snowe. He won't comment on leadership. He comments with his vote.
So, drawing on the logic, Snowe is his leader? Hell, she's not just the de-facto most powerful Republican--she's Senate Majority Leader now. (well, at least to Nelson)
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bluebell
October 14, 2009 6:23 PM in reply to matyra
And Obama.
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daveminnj
October 14, 2009 4:14 PM
it reads like a one-liner. (i didn't see video)
is it possible reid was being funny about
schumer?
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acf_ma
October 14, 2009 4:19 PM
Just curious. What was Reid's voting record on issues of health care reform in the years before he became Majority Leader? Does he even want reform, or a public option, or is all of this 'out of my hands' talk a smokescreen? Is he on our side?
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 4:29 PM
Maybe noone wants to be seen leading the charge on the po, but they'll push for it behind closed doors. An opt-out is perfect cover, so why don't they just vote for it? Who are they afraid of? The industry? Opt out! Who's forcing anyone to give up their private plans?
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izzatxeaux
October 14, 2009 4:42 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
clearly, Jay Rockefeller has no problem advocating for a real PO. Sherrod Brown, Boxer, Harkin, and the 30+ others who signed a letter to Reid a week ago advocating for it.
it's the ones who don't want it who are equivocating and trying to have it both ways. no doubt those folks were told some time back not to worry, that voters weren't paying too close attention and passing 'something, anything' would work like it always has in the past.
clearly no one counted on the public outcry stoked by progressives or the pushback from Labor
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 4:53 PM in reply to izzatxeaux
So those guys - Sherrod Brown, Harkin, Schumer, Rocky - should make it clear they won't vote for any reform that doesn't have a strong, Medicare-like PO. It's the redeeming feature of the bill. The rest of it is a gift to the guys who are a part of the cost containment and uninsured problem: the private insurers, who are rationing health care by ability to pay and health status.
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rwc
October 14, 2009 6:51 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
Which, of course, is partly what happened in 1994. The corpadems wanted reform favoring their insurance donators, and the progressive wing wanted single payer and nothing got done. The options are never good unless there is a progressive majority in Congress, which there obviously isn't.
So if the progressives dig in their heels and reform dies again, it will be the 1994 Dem bloodbath all over again; if they cave,as I am sure they will, we get lousy reform which will eventually become clear to the public and the Dems will lose seats again.
What's more, none of these plans kick in before the 2010 election, many not until 2013, so I fully expect the GOP to demagogue what's in the bill plus to hypocritically blast its weak points (as if they had something better) and the Dems may lose seats in 2010 for that reason.
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 7:00 PM in reply to rwc
Yep, and I'm pretty sure the insurance companies will conspire to raise rates on everyone starting tomorrow - forget about waiting for the reforms to kick in - and blame it on 'Obamacare'. No, honestly, if it means 'reform' without a strong, national public option based on Medicare, then, in a Senator's place, I'd scuttle it and put HP 676 back on the table. If they get away with fake healthcare reform, they're going to be equally satisfied with fake banking regulation, fake environmental regulation, fake economic data, fake you-name-it. It's not incremental; it's totally specious and getting elected to get elected.
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 7:04 PM in reply to rwc
Sorry: that's HR 676, not HP, which is probably a laptop.
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Cath
October 14, 2009 4:31 PM
Reid was a boxer right? Did he ever win a round, let alone a match? God, give us a leader with spine. Please.
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bluestatedon
October 14, 2009 4:32 PM
Calling Harry Reid spineless is an insult to invertebrates everywhere. You could put a sea cucumber in his Majority Leader seat and we wouldn't notice the difference.
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rain39
October 14, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to bluestatedon
Hmmmmm "Senate Majority LEADER"! What part of that title does he not understand. I have never been particularly happy with his leadership. As far as I can see, he is pretty passive. Certainly, he hasn't built any fires under Democrats as long as he's been the leader which is the major part of his job. Think it is time for a change, right now! This is just the evidence the Senate needs to kick him out and get someone with fire in his/her belly!
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TJ1
October 14, 2009 5:16 PM
I've been getting email and telephone calls lately from Democratic fundraisers. My standard response is "No money until the PO is passed with healthcare legislation; if its not passed, my money goes to supporting primary challenges to Blue Dogs and Reid."
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btbradley86
October 14, 2009 5:54 PM in reply to TJ1
If you can find anyone out here to primary Reid, PLEASE donate to them! Unfortunately the national media pays very little focus to the fact that Sen. Reid has done a damn good job of building a powerful political machine here in Nevada. From all walks, casino management, both sides of the gun control issue, the states ONLY energy provider NV Energy(also see them in the Ensign scandle), labor unions, and the business community. "The Reid Machine" drums up millions for his coffers and then Harry runs a scortch the earth campaign (you think Arlen Specter campaigns dirty...Reid puts him to shame!) A primary challenge is just what he needs, but the money down here is all Reid's, unless a candidate could REALLY tap the small donor. Want proof of the "Reid Machine", they just convinced Barbara Buckley(D)(popular state legislator) to not run against Harry's son Rory in the Gubenitorial Primary. I smell Reid fatigue coming out here!
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_jonny_5_
October 14, 2009 5:18 PM
I haven't the energy to put my disappointment into words.
You all are summing things up quite aptly though.
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TJ1
October 14, 2009 5:26 PM
Re: Rahm Role
Let's be clear about Rahm's role in this. Whether or not a healthcare plan is passed that is good for Americans and includes cost control is of absolutely no concern to him. It doesn't factor into any of his calculations in the slightest.
The only thing that's important to Rahm is preserving Democratic power at the national level. That's all. Anything he has to do not directly related to maintaining that power that is irrelevant. Similarly, any deal he has to cut, including with the Devil himself to maintain power is absolutely in play.
If he determines that a healthcare bill is essential to that goal, it gets done. But, when you have a narrow focus of preserving power, everything is negotiable - not least of which is a bill that is good for America.
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bluebell
October 14, 2009 6:17 PM
Excellent post and this will hold true on every other issue. And Rahm is doing exactly what Obama wants him to do. Chicago politicians. Chicago politics. Well, not even that. At least in Chicago you have to deliver the goods to the folks. That's supposed to be part of the bargain. They may not care how you get it done but it does have to get done. If this bill doesn't deliver healthcare, they've totally broken faith with the party and the people who support it.
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Tanjaoui
October 14, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to bluebell
Yeah, Chicago patronage paid off for the people who voted early and often. They got good city jobs and advancement. Now the Democratic voting public is their fiefdom, and the base, which delivered it, wants a payoff: a public option. Same thing in Boston and New York. The bosses took their cut, but at least they looked out for their people. I sort of think Rahm and the Democrats are on their way to a one term administration unless they remember that and deliver quality affordable health insurance - which is entirely within their power and we know it. Short of single payer, a public option looks like the most expedient way to buy us off. Rahm and Obama might be getting a little too tricky for their own good.
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Zell
October 14, 2009 7:13 PM
I assume that that's an offer to resign from the position of Majority Leader, and have Schumer take his place. Excellent!
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sanssouci0
October 14, 2009 10:08 PM
Go to Reid's webpage and bombard with vehement words in support of a public option.
My hope is that Reid's remark isn't a veiled indication that Obama is the one that has long since decided on watering down Reform and omitting a public option.....
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Tanjaoui
October 15, 2009 12:03 AM in reply to sanssouci0
If so then I was really mistaken about Obama and he isn't as smart as I'd thought. This bill is a freakin hairball. If I were Rocky, Brown or Schumer I'd beat moderates to the punch: if you don't include a strong Medicare for all type option in the bill, don't count on my vote for cloture.
If this bill doesn't make a clear and immediate difference, it could be the fumble that loses one or both houses. And, even worse, it's a black eye for a progressive agenda. We'll have to fight off canards about government healthcare for years. I'd just as soon hang for a horse as a mule. And there's a much better chance of not failing at all if the thing works, right? It has to be strong, national and open to all to work. It has to be big to exercise leverage in the marketplace. It has to be simple. And affordable. What am I missing?
Good point about Obama's irrelevance, by the way. Is he going to veto something because it contains a public option, which he has stated over and over that he likes? Legislators: legislate!
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billanthony
October 15, 2009 12:47 AM
It pains me to say, but it would be better for a Republican to win Reid's seat in '10. Call it addition by subtraction. That clown is the worst possible excuse for the Leadership role. He's only going to continue to cave at each and every opportunity, not that he has a progressive bone in his body to begin with. Maybe he can then get a job on his pal Lieberman's staff.
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rbe1
October 15, 2009 9:08 AM
I'm beginning to think that Hillary was right about Obama.
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rbe1
October 15, 2009 9:15 AM
God, I was just reading through all these responses. It just makes you so angry (and tired) to see how little of what we need is part of anyone's agenda. Message to Obama: are you really an empty suit ? Do you stand for anything, or are you just more of the same shit that gets piled on us every four years ?
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ondioline
October 15, 2009 11:07 AM in reply to rbe1
What the hell are you talking about?
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eztempo
October 15, 2009 11:23 AM
Ah, the yoke of leadership weighs heavily, eh Harry? Well, as the old D.C. saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat...".
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