In a huddle with reporters moments ago, I asked Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) for her thoughts on a public option compromise that would allow states to opt out of a national government insurance program, and her answer could slow down the proposal's considerable momentum.
"I don't support that," Snowe said.
Asked further whether she would participate in a filibuster on a bill with a public option, she went almost all the way.
"I've said, I'm against a public option...yes...it would be difficult" to support allowing the bill to proceed to a vote.
Snowe and other centrists say they'll withhold their support on a motion to proceed to the bill on the Senate floor (which will require 60 votes in and of itself) until the legislation is fully pieced together and the CBO has weighed in. She and other centrists want to ensure that the bill meets their specifications before it goes to the floor, so that they won't bear the burden of rounding up the 60 votes needed to change the legislation during debate.

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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 12:41 PM
Oh no! President Snowe doesn't support an opt-out public option!
Does President Snowe still support triggers?
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neesy08
October 22, 2009 1:11 PM in reply to CT Voter
forget snowe. as grayson said, nobody elected her. she has no veto power. the gop are playing games
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expatjourno2
October 22, 2009 1:31 PM in reply to neesy08
Well, she did get 402,598 votes last time around, which was enough to win in a state with one half of one percent of the U.S. population.
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TheRealFish
October 22, 2009 1:14 PM in reply to CT Voter
She doesn't like opt-out because there's chatter it will be implemented as a reverse-trigger: You start out with Medicare Part E for those unable to get private insurance and, after some as-yet-undefined-period, states could choose to cut off all their constituents that are already enrolled in the plan.
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tosh
October 22, 2009 1:49 PM in reply to CT Voter
The suckage of this is that it gives coverage to Vice President Blanche along with Nelson, Senator Wellpoint, Lying Lieb and others to make similar comments behind closed doors.
Snowe joining the GOP filibuster is *okay*. The concern always has been whether Harry & The Guy In The White House can get the Dems to vote for cloture.
This doesn't help.
But I think Snowe's strong comments are such that it's frankly time to throw her overboard as far as the delusions that she brings "bipartisanship" to the table. She's clearly articulated it's Her Way Or The Highway.
John
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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 5:14 PM in reply to tosh
The concern always has been whether Harry & The Guy In The White House can get the Dems to vote for cloture.
I don't have a lot of confidence that Harry can in fact do this. And I'm in a wait-and-see attitude wrt the WH. I don't know that I have any real sense of what's going on behind the scenes. All the super-duper-secret utterances from "senior Democratic aides" notwithstanding.
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Acewrap
October 22, 2009 12:42 PM
I am so not voting Olympia Snowe for President again.
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Walter Mitty
October 22, 2009 12:43 PM
President Snowe wants to write the whole damn bill herself.
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mjshep
October 22, 2009 12:44 PM
Who cares what she supports?
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vamonticello
October 22, 2009 12:45 PM
she never said she supported an opt-out in the first place She always said she supports TRIGGERS
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Indie Pro
October 22, 2009 12:47 PM
just another party of no republican
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rosebowl
October 22, 2009 12:48 PM
She won't join the Republicans in filibustering an opt-out bill. That's for sure. She knows how the wind is blowing in Maine. Her constituents strongly support a public option.
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midnight rambler
October 22, 2009 1:29 PM in reply to rosebowl
The latter has no bearing on it. She will vote to filibuster and they will vote for her anyway because "she's a nice person", just like Collins. My parents live in Maine and are strong liberals, and even they say that.
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rosebowl
October 22, 2009 1:40 PM in reply to midnight rambler
I don't think so. She's up for re-election in 2012. Dare her to vote against health care reform in a solid progressive state, and put that on her record. She can hem and haw all she wants about filibustering, but Snowe's a politician first and foremost. And her number priority in 2012 would be making sure she gets re-elected. She won't dare vote against health care reform with an opt-out provision. Call her bluff.
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Lestatdelc
October 22, 2009 2:22 PM in reply to rosebowl
You think in 3 years people are going to care how this vote went down?
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rosebowl
October 22, 2009 2:30 PM in reply to Lestatdelc
Yes. I do. Health care is a HUGE issue. Some votes are never forgotten. Ask Hillary.
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_jonny_5_
October 22, 2009 2:39 PM in reply to rosebowl
this is a good point I hadn't thought about w/ Snowe (and Nelson)...
It's really too far away to tell but, 2010 looks like it might to be a tough(not terrible) year for Dems. This partially explains our Blanche Lincoln Problem this year.
Up 'till now I've been thinking "WTF is Nelson's problem? He's not up until 2012" But what I hadn't thought about was that coinsides with the Presidential election. So Nelson, (Knowing KS goes to Repukes in 2012) Thinks he's going down because higher turnout for the Pres. Election. He may be right, but in that scenario does he not run the risk of losing his Dem votes the same year by not at least voting for Cloture? Thus losing his seat anyhow? Or is he really looking forward to that lobbying job?
Now, for the same reason doesn't Snowe have a similar problem from dems in a state that is getting more and more "Masshole" transplants (remember one can, and many do, live in Southern Maine and work in Boston) and becoming more solidly blue. Is she that confident in the face of a credible challenge, that she can hold out?
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midnight rambler
October 22, 2009 7:18 PM in reply to rosebowl
Maine is not a solid progressive state. It's heavily centrist, and was solidly Republican until about 15-20 years ago when people started moving in from Mass. at the same time that the Republicans went insane. So there's a mix of liberals in the south and moderates in the middle and north who are frequent ticket-splitters. Obama won handily but Collins was re-elected overwhelmingly despite being more conservative than Snowe, what does that tell you?
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jdb316
October 22, 2009 3:02 PM in reply to midnight rambler
More than that, when she runs in 2012, she will have been in the Senate for 18 years. That seniority allows you to bring home the bacon to your constituents. And for rural states like Maine, that's no small consideration.
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Bleacher Creature
October 22, 2009 12:49 PM
Really just a fabulous idea by Max Baucus to treat Olympia Snowe as some kind of kingmaker.
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synchronicity
October 22, 2009 12:54 PM
I would not count on Senator Snowe for anything. I think that the democratic caucus has to make it clear to everyone in the caucus that if they support a filibuster against a majority vote that they will pay dearly, despite the fact that it would be political suicide.
I can't believe how much time they are wasting in people who are not going to do 'anything' to help get reform passed. It's just plain stupid!
People in Lieberman, Conrad, Nelson, Landrieu, Bayh,and who else? terrritory need to camp out on their doorstep and make sure they understand that at the very least they better allow and up or down vote on health insurance/care reform.
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Darrius
October 22, 2009 12:55 PM
I do not like the public option in a pool,
I do not like it after school,
I do not like green eggs and ham,
I do not like them, Sam I am.
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Bass Ace
October 22, 2009 5:27 PM in reply to Darrius
"I do not like the public option in a pool,
I do not like it after school,"
I do not care if people die
I do not care when children cry
I do not care if you're bankrupt
Or if insurance is corrupt
My taxes just make missles fly
And rain down death from the in the sky.
I do not like green eggs and ham,
I do not like them, Sam I am.
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Clavis
October 22, 2009 12:56 PM
Someone should point out to the Democrats that, when you weaken a bill to covet Republican support, and the Republicans (predictably) slap you in the face, YOU DON'T LEAVE THE COMPROMISE IN THE BILL!
Think about what's being discussed as the likely outcome. All the various carrots and sops and capitulations that the weak-as-water Democrats gave to Presidents Snowe and Grassley and Lieberman... and the response is "Nope, I'm just as recalcitrant as I was 2 months ago"... and the Democrats aren't doing what they should be doing, which is saying, "Oh, you don't want to play ball? Fine! We'll craft a bill WE think is good, and you guys can whine about it on the sidelines!"
P.S. Ask Olympia Snowe or any other Republican who mocks healthcare reform by saying "Nobody's read the bill! Where's the bill"? if they read the Patriot Act before voting on it...
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Schmed- ley
October 22, 2009 1:00 PM in reply to Clavis
Someone should give the Democrats a spin infusion swiftly followed by a balls transplant.
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Schmed- ley
October 22, 2009 1:09 PM in reply to Schmed- ley
spin = spine
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slb
October 22, 2009 1:45 PM in reply to Schmed- ley
They could use a little of both!
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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 1:02 PM in reply to Clavis
Democrats: Charlie Brown.
Republicans: Lucy with the football.
Same as it ever was. . .
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rwc
October 22, 2009 2:25 PM in reply to Clavis
Except for all the conservadems who are ideologically just like Snowe; and then there is Leibersmuck, who is probably worse. I think he is the most likely, more than Snowe, to back a GOP filibuster of any reform bill. And worse of all, the White House, which has helped set up this predicament with Snowe, Baucus, etc., holding all the cards,because, in reality, they really don't want a strong PO.
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jerryfatheart
October 22, 2009 12:56 PM
Thanks, Senator. You've overstayed your welcome and used up all your usefulness. See you later.
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theone718
October 22, 2009 12:57 PM
President Snowe.......are you threatening to Veto the bill!?
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Bullsmith
October 22, 2009 12:58 PM
The Republicans are betting all their eggs on a bill that will be unpopular, and damned if they aren't close to getting one. If the US congress decides that the answer to the ridiculous cost/benefit ratio of public money spent on health care is to INCREASE the proportion of money in the health insurance industry's hands, then the democrats could well be committing political suicide.
Of course, if they produce something remotely similar to the successful (if far from perfect) public health care systems that cover the rest of the rich world, it'll be Republicans who could be in the wilderness for a generation. The saddest thing is I only see a political calculation on the Republican side, no real interest in what might actually serve and please their constituents long term, just what and how they can spin. On the other side, if the Democrats took the political calculus more seriously they might realize that all that Insurance industry money is pure poison. They pull a medicare part D-type scam plan and the Republicans will make them pay for it. At least that's how I read the Republican calculations at present.
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Tanjaoui
October 22, 2009 1:33 PM in reply to Bullsmith
I hear you.
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theone718
October 22, 2009 1:00 PM
I have no problem with "centrists" waiting for the CBO to score the bill, it should be scored so we can point out what's good and bad in the bill.
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dick c
October 22, 2009 1:02 PM
It's time to remove anything that was put into a bill simply to attract her.
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theone718
October 22, 2009 1:05 PM
I changed my mind afer it was edited I see that they are holding the bill hostage until it is to their liking. Man these Senators piss me off.
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roxanne
October 22, 2009 1:07 PM
I don't support Olympia Snowe either. I didn't vote for her and would never vote Repubulican. Drop Dead Ms Snowe! You're not needed and the sooner the idiots Dems realize this the better off we'll all be. Doesn't she even get that her party got it's ass kicked because they were incompetent for the last 8 years. Why would we give a damn what she supports. Reid had better get his act together!
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xargaw
October 22, 2009 1:08 PM
What part of "Snowe is a Republican" does the WH and Senate not get? In today's GOP, there is NO such thing as a sensible Republican. Forget her and the rest of them. It's time to twist arms among the Democrats for a Bill with a good PO. If they ever want anything for their state from now on, make them vote with the Party on this one. If the WH doesn't do this, we will know that they are simply playing us.
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nanorich
October 22, 2009 1:10 PM
Maine is a blue state, Olympia. And the people of your state support a public option.
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Schmed- ley
October 22, 2009 1:14 PM
Given Snowe's high numbers, could one assume that she knows that she doesn't need to kowtow to the GOP agenda and is actually speaking her genuine mind? Just wonderin'.
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nanorich
October 22, 2009 1:23 PM in reply to Schmed- ley
She has high numbers because she voted for reform out of committee.
However, it is doubtful her constituents actually understand she she really doesn't support meaningful reform.
But it is really quaint that you think she is talking her genuine mind without looking at who contributes to her campaign.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000480&cycle=2010
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Schmed- ley
October 22, 2009 2:06 PM in reply to nanorich
What part of "could one assume...?" indicates the slightest resemblence to "I think." to you? While your link is both valuable and informative, your premise is totally bogus. How's that for "quaint"?
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AJM
October 22, 2009 1:29 PM in reply to Schmed- ley
It is also possible that her high numbers among Democrats in Maine reflected the fact that she had just voted a health care plan out of the Finance committee and will crater if she blocks it on the floor.
It is also possible that by opposing opt out she is trying to curry enough favor among the Republican voters to squeak through a primary.
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714Day
October 22, 2009 1:16 PM
I used to think I wanted to shake this nonsensical woman by the shoulders. Now I realize I've just wanted to shake the shoulders of the wafflers who capitulate to her. Holy crap, she's holding the nation hostage because the rest of the mealy mouthed legislature allows it!
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Kinkistyle
October 22, 2009 1:20 PM
Democrats need to opt-out of Olympia's Snowe. NOW.
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ttarleton
October 22, 2009 1:21 PM
Time to give up any dream that Snowe might behave reasonably when it comes down to a vote.
To quote that old Thin Lizzy song: "If that chick don't want to know, forget her!"
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Winston Smith
October 22, 2009 1:24 PM
She's no dummy. She knows the opt-out thing is just a political move to try to screw Retardicans.
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precisioncontrol
October 22, 2009 1:25 PM
I mean, really: who cares? As long as they corral all 60 Democratic Senators to break the filibuster, then vote their conscience (which would ensure the adoption of a public option as long as it is in the merged HELP-Finance bill), we will get a strong health insurance reform bill with a moderately strong public option in the end (because it will have to be merged with the House bill). Her time in the spotlight has expired. I think the Democrats should appreciate her voting for the Finance bill to give it an imprimatur of bipartisanship coming out of committee, which improved the politics and optics of the debate tremendously. But really, who's bending over backwards to please her now? And why? As long as Byrd is healthy and the centrist axis of Bayh, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, and Nelson is ready to play ball procedurally, I don't see what the importance of her role really is.
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rwc
October 22, 2009 2:30 PM in reply to precisioncontrol
Ah, but they are not, I suspect, especially Lieberman -- have you read anything he has said lately, like his opinion that HCR in general should just be put off until the recession is over.
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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 3:25 PM in reply to rwc
I can't believe I'm writing this, but here goes. Lieberman has also said that he's "inclined to vote for cloture". . .
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rwc
October 22, 2009 5:04 PM in reply to CT Voter
Hadn't heard that but since you are from conn. you probably have better info than me up here in Boston. If so, that is good news.
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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 5:42 PM in reply to rwc
See the comment immediately below this.
Saying you're inclined to vote for cloture is a long way from saying "I'll vote for cloture", but it's also a heckuva lot closer than "No, I won't vote for cloture."
With Lieberman, you appreciate small gestures in the right direction.
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precisioncontrol
October 22, 2009 4:01 PM in reply to rwc
Well, Lieberman has said that he is "inclined" to vote for cloture:
http://washingtonindependent.com/64183/lieberman-says-hed-probably-vote-for-health-reform-cloture
"Lieberman said he was “inclined to let the motion to proceed” (or cloture) go forward, but “I haven’t decided yet.”"
And other than Lincoln and Bayh (McCaskill and Pryor have been in the background for quite some time), no other centrist Democrat has even voted against a cloture motion this session:
http://filibusted.us/senators
This all isn't to say that there is a clear road to passage, but Snowe isn't really one of the obstacles on the highway to reform anymore, and Lieberman probably isn't, either.
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jdb316
October 22, 2009 3:58 PM in reply to precisioncontrol
[i]As long as Byrd is healthy and the centrist axis of Bayh, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, and Nelson is ready to play ball procedurally, I don't see what the importance of her role really is.[/i]
Problem is, with a public option, it may be more than just those five. It could also be Baucus, Tester, Carper, Bill Nelson (FL), the other D senator from Arkansas and maybe even Bennett from CO, who is an appointee facing his first election next year in a state that is by no means liberal.
All of a sudden, even getting 50+Biden to pass isn't a sure thing.
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rwc
October 22, 2009 5:07 PM in reply to jdb316
I fear that as well, plus the WH which, at the least, isn't pressuring them, and at worst is on their side.
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Riggsveda
October 22, 2009 1:28 PM
7000 people a day are falling off the unemployment rolls. Calculated Risk predicts soon 10,000. How many of them are still carrying health insurance? Nice idea Jon Kyl had to hold up a vote to extend benefits so he could think about it a little bit. He and Snowe should put a show on the road and tell the public why they only have their best interests at heart. Oh, sorry. I guess you have to HAVE a heart, first.
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Dave in ME
October 22, 2009 1:28 PM
As a Mainer I am ashamed at the way Snowe has hijacked the debate. As a state we represent 1/2 of 1% of the population as Rep. Alan Grayson pointed out, and yet we have a Senator who wields power as if she were the President. Obama needs to sit Harry Reid down and tell him to F all this "bipartisan" bs and pass health care reform with a strong public option. The amazing thing about Snowe and her grandstanding is our state would benefit greatly from the public option.
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KY Yellow Dog
October 22, 2009 1:31 PM
This really is excellent news for the public option.
Thank you very, very much, Olympia dear, for showing your hand well in advance of the cloture vote.
Now we can shred the Finance Committee bill and bring the HELP bill directly to the floor.
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Schmed- ley
October 22, 2009 2:13 PM in reply to KY Yellow Dog
If only....
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hollywood
October 22, 2009 1:33 PM
Healthcare is a Human Right.
Healthcare is a moral issue.
These rich old bitches and fuckheads who oppose giving their fellow Americans the chance to live a life without bankruptcy, misery, and death should forever be branded in out minds as something less than fully human. They are corporate whores without souls or a conscience. I saw and interview with Ms. Snowe when asked if she supported a tax on the super rich to help pay for insurance for poor and working people she breathed out the most cold "no I am not" I have ever heard. In America where the rich have gotten so filthy fat and rich like no other time in our history they still feel absolutely nothing obligates them to care if other suffer and die in the service of their personal fortunes.
I despise them all with the greatest passion.
Rot in Hell you greedy bastards. Rot in Hell.
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714Day
October 22, 2009 1:50 PM in reply to hollywood
I'd rather they rot on earth, since they insist their uninsured constituents must.
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roxanne
October 22, 2009 1:33 PM
I saw a poll yesterday somewhere that claimed that Democrats in Maine like Snowe but, Republicans don't. I thought this can't be right but, if that was true, they'd better poll the Dems again because I don't they like her very much now. Again, if that VAGINA known as Harry Reid would just tell these blue dogs to get in line or get the hell out of this party!
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Lestatdelc
October 22, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to roxanne
Nice sexist coda there sparky.
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Dorn76
October 22, 2009 1:33 PM
Ok, Olympia, buh-bye.
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ru4862
October 22, 2009 1:34 PM
It is a shame that the White House and Senate Democraps allowed this overrated Senator from Maine to frame the health care debate.
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VivaAmerica!
October 22, 2009 1:34 PM
Didn't we know already that she wasn't going to go all the way?
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marklouis
October 22, 2009 1:42 PM
So? They don't need her vote, and Harry Reid is feeling to much heat at home to give in to her. I think she's more pissed she hasn't been given the seat at the table she thought she'd get.
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agio
October 22, 2009 1:43 PM
At this point I don't think it matter much what Snowe has to say. If Nelson can be convinced to vote for an opt-out public option there is little need to attract a lone Republican.
There will be 60 Democratic senators by the time the final bill comes to the floor. I'm sure not all 60 will vote for the final bill, but if anyo of them join the GOP to filibuster they will be toast. Even jinkin' Joe.
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TaraV
October 22, 2009 2:26 PM in reply to agio
Yes, if you can just convince Nelson to stop using Snowe as a shield. Wasn't he the one the other day who said he would have a hard time envisioning voting for a bill she didn't??
But your line of reasoning is correct. Here is what I see as perhaps working. You put the PO in the bill and force 60 senators to vote against it to get it out....Nelson, Conrad, Lincoln can all be free to vote to strip it. This gives them cover. Then you force the caucus to line up to get the bill to the floor. Then you just need 50 to get it passed. What's the latest PO count in the Senate? Isn't it up over 50 now? The key, of course, is to force the caucus to stay together on the cloture vote. They need to be given enough cover elsewhere.
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agio
October 22, 2009 2:28 PM in reply to TaraV
I like the way you think. Hope Reid's aids are reading this...
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xargaw
October 22, 2009 3:38 PM in reply to agio
Nelson will not support the opt-out provision because then he would have to come out against it in his own State. The PO is popular everywhere. He would much rather kill it in the Senate and then not be put in that position of having to take any responsiblity. Being a Senator mean never having to take responsibility for anything. I am more interested to see if Schumber, Brown and Rockefeller will hold firm or cave and then spin to stay in favor with the WH.
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pythia
October 22, 2009 1:50 PM
There is nothing 'centrist' about what Ms Snowe is attempting to do.
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GBHeron
October 22, 2009 1:51 PM
76% of people support an opt-out for their state. Snowe opposes an opt-out. Therefore, Snowe is not a centrist.
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agio
October 22, 2009 1:53 PM in reply to GBHeron
Just to be clear: 76% of people support a public option that allows states to opt out, not necessarily the opt-out itself.
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eric the red
October 22, 2009 2:01 PM
Didn't know you could filibuster with 40 votes. She can vote against cloture, but there can be no Republican only filibuster.
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theone718
October 22, 2009 2:04 PM
She is being pretty blunt about it because she knows it is gaining traction. She wants to maximize her leverage. That is why she voted for the SFC bill so it could be shaped to her liking, this undermins her leverage because now all 60 Dems can coalesce around the idea.
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Flori-DUH
October 22, 2009 2:08 PM in reply to theone718
Which part of JOSEPH LIEBERMAN, I-D, don't you folks get. He forgot to put the U between the I and D when he lost his primary. He will screw anything that Democrats propose and/or support.
There is no way that he will be able to see fit to vote to move this past cloture to an UP or DOWN vote, as he insisted was necessary when voting on GWB's SC nominees.
He has come to oppose everything that he had previously claimed to support after GWB and RC defeated Albert Gore and him in 2000. He brings shame to my tribe.
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rwc
October 22, 2009 2:35 PM in reply to Flori-DUH
exactly. which may be why snowe has such power; the Dems have already figured the Liebersmuck is going to vote against them and they need one more vote to overcome a filibuster
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Liberal Swede
October 22, 2009 6:55 PM in reply to rwc
Lieberman has said he doesn't want a PO so he'll vote with the Republicans. We must have Snowe.
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jerryfatheart
October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
Hey, it's almost winter. Time for the Snowe to fall. Ohhhh! Rimshot.
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Lestatdelc
October 22, 2009 2:20 PM
Of course she doesn't support it, because it would get us a strong public option while simultaneously be a neutron bomb for the GOP for years to come to deal with. It puts her and the GOP in the position of arguing with their constituencies why they should be denied choices in healthcare coverage. They would have to fold like a bad card table, and become another political third rail for them, and cement a Democratic majority for a generation or two.
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Jerry 101
October 22, 2009 2:25 PM
Olly isn't negotiating in good faith. She's doing just what the Republicants want her to do - stall, hem, haw, delay, obstruct, while playing like she's going to vote for it. And she may yet do so, she may not be the only republican who does so. But right now, her job is to muck up the process and try to throw as many wrenches in as possible.
For the Party of No, she's just another foot soldier. She's not the maverick or the bipartisan shield that Reid and company want.
It'd be nice if the democrats could figure that out and forge ahead without her. She and the other republicans had their chance to engage in this process and add to it. Instead, they are trying to derail it. If Reid & Co would understand that the Republicans, including Olympia Snowe, have 0 interest in seeing this bill pass, they would be much more capable of moving forward.
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maynard
October 22, 2009 2:34 PM
Let her and the entire GOP filibuster.
MAKE THEM TALK NONSTOP FOR WEEKS IF NECESSARY.
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rwc
October 22, 2009 2:39 PM in reply to maynard
except that the way the rules are they don't; the other side has to get 60 votes to proceed, they don't have to do a thing
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 22, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to maynard
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/the-myth-of-the-filibuste_n_169117.html
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elle a
October 22, 2009 2:39 PM
ooooooh the scary filibuster!!
like i give a toss what snowe thinks. we dont need you, lady!
those 60 dems in the senate better get that public option, i dont care if its opt out or opt in, just get it in the bill, and vote for it!
snow is toast, either ways. if she wants to vote against healthcare for the uninsured, its her electoral loss.
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Democracy Boy
October 22, 2009 2:44 PM
I sorta liked someone's (Kristof?) idea to suspend health insurance coverage for Congress until they get tis right. But I also think no one should be denied coverage, no matter what, and that includes President Snowe and her compatriots.
If the D's weren't going to get any R votes anyway, why not go in whole hog and pass the single-payer system that we're going to need within 10 years anyway? This tinkering around the margins, giving the insurance companies more customers, etc., is not going to control costs in the least.
Mark my words: In 10 years (probably far sooner), the math will show how this effort, if it passes without a public option especially, didn't work. (Just like many of knew last Sept. that the banks would use the bailout to enrich themselves further, and voila!)
Not to go off-thread here, but I gotta say, this whole "debate" highlights the need for a serious democracy movement in this country. We're trying to solve 21st century problems with 18th century democratic structures -- that favor the status quo in nearly every case. It's no wonder that few new democracies in the last 50 years -- including ones we helped establish -- use anything like our undemocratic Senate or single-member, winner-take-all district legislatures, or, of course, an electoral college to select an executive. The deck is permanently stacked against real change.
In the meantime, yes, make the bastards talk for weeks.
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witty1
October 22, 2009 2:44 PM
At this point I'd rather complain about my public healthcare than complain about having none at all.
What about this don't these people understand?
They missed their opportunity to regulate this industry and now they want some perfect piece of legislation that solves all the healthcare problem. Too little too late.
I think an imperfect bill weighted towards access for all (instead of the insurance lobby) is the only way forward.
It's either that or single payer. I really really want single payer - its really a civil rights issue, if no one can have more access, more luxuries or more availability than everyone else - then we move towards more equality overall.
Finally, no healthcare bill should treat dental care separately. Teeth aren't some accessory, they are integral to one's health and have been shown to wreak havoc on immune systems when not treated.
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Ricky
October 22, 2009 2:47 PM
F.U. senator snowe.. nobody elected you POTUS.. you and your republican party can go straight to hell
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dougom
October 22, 2009 3:12 PM
Can we please start ignoring her now?
The Republicans are out of it. They've been out of it all along. An entire summer's worth of time was wasted simply getting her (unneeded!) vote to move the bill out of committee. Why are we pandering to these people, again?
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NH Bob
October 22, 2009 3:35 PM
Why'd the Dems try to work with this dippy one any way. She's a mean bag of cat litter to begin with. I know a lot of Maine citizens who say she's a personal terror. Maybe I know the wrong people, but haven't heard much good about her. I live next door to Maine. How's she get elected? Anyhow, quit giving her so much publicity!
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amabo666
October 22, 2009 4:51 PM
It's nice to see someone is looking out for us. She realizes that the PO will lead to US bankruptcy in the long run. A better approach would to be take on the pertinent issues one at a time and not ram a complete overhaul through.
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AnswerFrog
October 22, 2009 5:00 PM
Fuck you Snowe. Let's call your bluff.
Maine is fairly liberal, and if you seem like a typical obstructionist corporate GOP jackass, I guess you'll be hearing from your voters.
Let's not kid ourselves that Snowe's votes are about her conscience. It's about pandering to her constituents. She's not moderate because she's a nice person. But because she lives in a blue state.
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amabo666
October 22, 2009 5:11 PM
Remember that the most important issue facing any politician is their RE-ELECTION. They will only vote for legislation that they can use to get RE-ELECTED period.
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