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The Senate Finance Committee was supposed to convene for a vote on its controversial health care bill tomorrow. Now, that's looking doubtful.

Early in the amendment process, the panel agreed not to hold a vote until a preliminary analysis on the legislation's cost-saving potential was available, and it appears as if the CBO will not complete its work until later in the week. That would touch off yet another delay--one that's likely to frustrate Democrats and liberal activists, who've grown impatient over the glacial pace of reform efforts.

Assuming the panel successfully approves the bill by week's end, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will begin negotiations with Democratic health care leaders to marry it with a more liberal package that was advanced months ago by the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee.

Most insiders expect the bill to pass on a heavily partisan basis. Depending on how Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) chooses to vote, Finance chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) will be able to lose one or two Democrats, but no more. Several Democrats, but most notably Sens. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)--frustrated by the right-leaning nature of the bill, and upset about being shut out of the months-long negotiations process--have suggested they may not be prepared to support the legislation as is.

It would be a huge surprise, and a major upset for Democratic leaders, if the bill failed to squeak out of committee. We'll keep you posted on all developments.

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October 5, 2009 12:38 PM   

What a surprise, these three mf's screwing things up again.

"Oops" Not intentional, right?!

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October 5, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

I wonder How much are they getting pay to, keep delaying this reform

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October 6, 2009 9:00 AM    in reply to Bucket Truck

They are getting $1.4 million a day to block the public option from HC Corps..Call them and chide them for the ir 'agaainst the people -for the corporation' stance.

1.877.264.4226 or 1.800.828.0498

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October 5, 2009 12:38 PM   

"glacial pace of reform efforts."
"glacial" is no longer a good description of a long-drawn-out process since glaciers are melting much faster than the s - l - o - w pace of Congress on health care.

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October 5, 2009 12:40 PM   

Glacial is the reality of the speed at which this process has progressed.

Yet I am sure to see Fox News & Drudge stories about the Dems "ramming" this bill through Congress!

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October 5, 2009 12:43 PM   

Delay, delay, delay.

John

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October 5, 2009 12:44 PM   

The point is to delay long enough to pass the point in time where reconciliation could be used.

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October 5, 2009 12:52 PM   

Well with the frequency Al Qaeda is pumping out messages lately, Republicans feel all their delay tactics are about to pay off...

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October 5, 2009 12:59 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

Tell me about it.

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October 5, 2009 1:02 PM   

i'm with victor... this way they can either get this horrible nightmare passed as it is (victory for big pharma/insurance) or they can scuttle health care reform altogether for 2 years (victory for big pharma/insurance - nothing happens in an election year).
I'm staying home next year.

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October 5, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to quintiliusvarus

Why would you stay home when re-districting is coming up. You have to think long-term.

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October 5, 2009 1:24 PM   

Wonder how much this delay will cost the insurance companies? I'm sure they're paying out, as usual, for any little delay. Business runs this country, policy is based on contributions, and we vote because...............? Beats the mud out of me.

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October 5, 2009 1:33 PM   

Cmon people. This is expected. Every time they throw up a hurdle, double-down, don't give up. Nobody should be shocked or surprised by this. Don't fall for the emotional roller-coaster of every little nuance, just keep your eyes on the prize and keep at it.

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October 5, 2009 1:49 PM   

For lack of health care, something like 900 Americans will perish in the days between Oct. 5th - Oct. 12 (that's more than one per hour, based on the latest numbers cited by AlanGrayson); and more than that before whatever benefits MIGHT result from whatever MAY come from a bill seep into the larger culture.

That's a pretty good miniature of things as they stand today, Oct. 5, 2009; right?

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October 5, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to chthonic

chthonic,

people die here, soldiers die overseas, Too many in Congress could frikkin care less. They give death lip service then go off and serve their masters, the guys with the big bucks.
A pox on ths SOBs.

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October 5, 2009 2:30 PM   

These assholes are a direct reflection on the voters of their states. You get who you vote for. Full Stop.

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October 5, 2009 2:34 PM   

How many people are dying, will die, will go into debt due to sickness, while these puppets of the health insurance lobby, twiddle their thumbs. What awful representatives of the people. But we asked for it when we allowed corporations to take over our government and judiciary. I'm not sure how to stop that though. Free speech being what it is these days.

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October 5, 2009 2:46 PM   

If Wyden and Rockefeller vote "no" and all GOPers (including Snowe) stand firm, the only bill before the Senate will be the HELP Committee version which INCLUDES a public option.

Let's hope that the GOPers keep it up, and perhaps one or two more Dems from the Democratic wing of the Party will also vote no. Then at least there will be a public up or down vote on the public option, and we won't have to depend on a conference committee acting anonymously behind closed doors.

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October 5, 2009 8:43 PM    in reply to Switzer

Haven't read the thing myself. Probably couldn't, written in legalese, right? BUT...I understand from others that the HELP public option is weak. Contracted out to private industry, maybe? Or more like a co-op? A placebo public option, at any rate. But, like I say, haven't read it myself. I'd be interested to hear from someone who has...

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October 5, 2009 9:44 PM    in reply to Switzer

Just answered my own question; the internet is a great thing. The upshot, courtesy of an article by Kip Sullivan posted by Andrew Coates, MD on the PNHP's blog, is that the "HELP Committee's 'public option' is actually multiple 'options', and these will be run by insurance companies". Great. Not a lot to choose from between this and the Senate Finance Committee's bill. This should be made very clear when we're talking about a public option. The discussion should be: is it better for the whole thing to unravel? Might Rockefeller, Schumer and (unwittingly) the Republicans be doing us a great service in scuttling placebo reform? Then maybe we could consider HP 676, which is straight up Medicare for All, sponsored by John Conyers. Or a real public option as written in one of the House bills?

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October 5, 2009 2:49 PM   

Republicans and conservative Democrats to sick Americans: "drop dead."

How they can delay, obstruct and weaken health care reform when the health care system results in people dying is difficult to fathom. These guys (and gals) have directed all their sympathies toward health insurance companies with none left over for the victims of same.

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October 5, 2009 3:33 PM   

Which bill will they vote on, and what will be in it?
They killed several attempts a week or so ago.

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October 5, 2009 3:55 PM   

How about Alan Grayson states every day how many Americans have died from lack of care since the Finance Committee began debating?

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October 5, 2009 4:45 PM   

What would happen if Finance can't pass anything? If the current bill loses Wyden and Rockefeller, that could happen. Can we just start from the HELP bill at that point? I don't know Senate procedure well enough to know the answer.

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October 5, 2009 4:59 PM   

TPM: "It would be a huge surprise, and a major upset for Democratic leaders, if the bill failed to squeak out of committee."

It might be a surprise, but not necessarily an upset.

Rockefeller and others are well aware that the H.E.L.P. bill, or some version of it, can proceed to the Senate floor without a bill coming out of finance. The end result being that the Senate gets to vote on a strong public option that hasn't been watered down by Baucus and associates.

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October 5, 2009 8:46 PM   

What's the HELP Committee version of the public option look like, and are reimbursement rates tied to Medicare? And is it national? Subject to triggers?

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October 5, 2009 9:56 PM   

Again, answering my own question: http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/29/there-is-very-little-difference-between-the-co-ops-and-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-option%E2%80%9D/
Upshot: unless we get more specific in our demands - "a Medicare plus 5% program as envisioned by Jacob Hacker" - we're likely to get exactly what we're clamoring for. Eek.

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October 6, 2009 10:42 AM   

Have you all forgotten Pat Roberts; plea for time for the "Vendors" and their lawyers to look at the bill before going out of committee?

It's about pleasing the Committee's employers, the "Vendors" aka insurance & pharma.

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