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An interesting pattern has been emerging in the Republican Party's handling of foreign policy: Individual GOP officials are now making a regular point of not only formulating an alternative foreign policy, to be presented to the American people and debated in Congress -- they're acting on it too, and undermining the official White House policies at multiple turns:

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) is visiting Honduras in order to support the recent military coup against a leftist president, which has been opposed by the Obama administration and all the surrounding countries in the region. (Late Update: DeMint's office says he is not taking sides during his visit to the current Honduran leadership, denying the New York Times reports that this was his intention.)

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) will be going to the upcoming climate change conference in Copenhagen, bringing a "Truth Squad" to tell foreign officials there that the American government will not take any action: "Now, I want to make sure that those attending the Copenhagen conference know what is really happening in the United States Senate."

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) traveled to Israel, where he spoke out against President Obama's opposition to expanded settlements. He also defended Israel on the eviction of two Arab families from a house in east Jerusalem, which had been criticized by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL) boasted in June that he told Chinese officials not to trust America's budget numbers. "One of the messages I had -- because we need to build trust and confidence in our number one creditor," said Kirk, "is that the budget numbers that the US government had put forward should not be believed." Since then, he has declared his candidacy for U.S. Senate.

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October 2, 2009 2:07 PM   

God damn America

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October 2, 2009 2:14 PM   

Though no longer holding any elected public office, Mike Huckabee in his trip to Israel also recently sought to openly undermine the current administration's policies in the region.

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October 2, 2009 2:22 PM   

Remember when republicans yelled treason at John Kerry and others for a trip to Lebanon supported by condi rice

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October 4, 2009 10:04 AM    in reply to GillesDeleuze

I'll see your John Kerry in Lebanon and raise you Nancy Pelosi going to Syria while Bush was still pResident. Remember the right-wing freakout over that one?

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October 4, 2009 11:16 PM    in reply to GillesDeleuze

They also said

Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. [Conservatives] saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.

They will do and say anything.

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October 5, 2009 8:53 AM    in reply to ray reynolds

Here's a drunk Tom Delay attempting that quote ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9oAapVhc4

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October 2, 2009 2:33 PM   

the Dixie Chicks faint

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October 2, 2009 2:47 PM   

Well, hell, Obama forced them to do it, didn't he? What with the socialism and the communism and the fascism and the winning the election despite failing to meet the Constitutional requirement that he be a white male and what not, somebody's got to conduct a foreign policy on behalf of Real America until the military can take corrective action to save the Constitution.

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October 2, 2009 2:55 PM   

And the Whitehouse response will predictably be the equivalent to silence on the issue.

They need to openly condemn this; going so far as to use the word treason is actually not a stretch for these types of actions.

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October 2, 2009 3:31 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

For the third time today, actually, yes it is. U.S. Const. Art. III, Sec. III

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Last time I checked, we weren't in a shooting war with Honduras--either the deposed guy or the coup guys.

Can we please just leavethe hyperbolic "treason" shreiking to Coulter and Gingrich and the other wingnuts?

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October 3, 2009 7:24 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Holding unauthorized talks with a foriegn government is a violation of the Logan Act and is a felony punishable by three years in prison.

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October 5, 2009 8:09 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

As it was pointed out below, DeMint is positioning this in a way that makes it look like he's going in support of the defacto government (as reported by NYT and I now see the update which DeMint contests this). If those intentions were there that he would be giving comfort and aid. Question then becomes, how do you define an "Enemy" (apart from the Axis of Evil, I believe those are established enough)?

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October 2, 2009 3:46 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

If the President responds every time they try to undermine him, he would be doing nothing else. He is taking the high road as he should.

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October 2, 2009 7:15 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Constitution, Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

"The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

See, I don't think it's the president that needs to respond. It's Congress, or maybe the DoJ.

These fokkers have, oh so slightly soto voce, been encouraging people to believe Obama and Democrats are Nazis and to please grab their guns.

They're cheering against the duly (and popularly) elected government everywhere from dissing the Olympics to, now, "giving comfort" to an illegal government and basically telling them to go against the government they theoretically serve.

I mean, they're even okay with talking about military coups.

These global corporatists masquerading as US citizens, who as frequently as not say they should secede from the government, are open traitors to this country.

It should start with DeMint: He should be frakking frog-marched out of the Senate and put on trial as a traitor to his country. Free speech is one thing, and sedition or open treason is clearly another.

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October 3, 2009 7:29 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

Would he have to be imeached, convicted and expelled from the Congress first? It seems for DOJ to arrest a member of Congress would be a violation of seperation of powers.

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October 3, 2009 9:07 AM    in reply to fpie

No. We live in a nation of laws for all. The Constitution provides only limited privileges for the Legislature: “ The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

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October 4, 2009 11:19 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

The risk with doing that though is that you make them martyrs. Yeah, you might get the satisfaction of seeing DeMint get publically flogged (figuratively speaking, of course!) in front of Congress and the nation, and you might win a few votes because of it. But the other side will use it to fuel the perception that you're out of control and are trying to muzzle the opposition. And if the economy doesn't turn around or something else bad happens, that's going to stick.

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October 2, 2009 3:47 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

If the President responds every time they try to undermine him, he would be doing nothing else. He is taking the high road as he should.

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October 2, 2009 9:20 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Absolutely agree. This is how he won the primary and the election and how he's going to govern the country. The increasing, escalating insanity of their actions and statements shows better than anything that Obama is handling it the right way: quietly feeding out rope and in the meantime getting real work done!

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October 4, 2009 10:58 AM    in reply to Elizabeth2

While it pains me to see no real response from the White House to these wing nut actions, I must agree fully with your assessment. Methinks also that in today's everything on video environment the LaHood's, Demints, et.al., could pay a political price for their seditious behavior.

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October 4, 2009 11:13 AM    in reply to monel9959

LaHood, what did he do?

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October 2, 2009 2:59 PM   

All of this shows how the rules that govern the Senate have made governance impossible. The Senate has become utterly dysfunctional when one member can impede the entire foreign policy of the United States and block vital appointments.

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October 2, 2009 2:59 PM   

Isn't what these Republican clowns are doing called treason?

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October 2, 2009 5:32 PM    in reply to carlyt

no.

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October 2, 2009 3:04 PM   

When I think of the people I most want formulating U.S. foreign policy the names DeMint, Inhofe and Cantor (never heard of Kirk) are always at the top of my list, along with Foxx, Bachmann, Schmidt and a few others. America's best and brightest, to be sure.

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October 2, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to Chris

That was before the President decided to support a Chavez wannabe.

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October 2, 2009 3:18 PM    in reply to shooter242

Hypocrisy much? Oh wait. That only applies to Democrats, and never to Republicans.

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October 2, 2009 3:29 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Dude it was like ancient history when members of government traveled to foreign countries to undermine America. We all know that.

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October 2, 2009 3:34 PM    in reply to Chris

Apparently our little Republican ranter only cares when Democrats travel to foreign countries and undermine America. When Republicans do it, it's A-OK with the conservatives.

Revealing, of course, that conservatives do not giving a flying fuck about the country. They only care about grabbing and maintaining power.

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October 2, 2009 4:28 PM    in reply to CT Voter

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but who would have thought you people would support a communist dictator in the making. After all Chavez was elected democratically before taking over as putative "President for life".
But hey, keep up the good work. At the rate we're going, Obama will have us devolved into a Cuba clone in no time flat.

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October 2, 2009 4:36 PM    in reply to shooter242

Again, your hypocristy is glaring.

Along with the standard projection that goes on with Republicans. If you're complaining about something a Democrat is doing, we can probably be pretty sure that some Republican is doing that very same thing.

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October 4, 2009 11:25 AM    in reply to CT Voter

Let him comfort himself with it. It's all he has, and noone takes him seriously anyway.

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October 2, 2009 4:44 PM    in reply to shooter242

Ah, Chavez Derangement Syndrome. Gotta love it. I'd ask you to prove to me that Manuel Zelaya is a Chavez-wannabe and future fascist dictator, but I know better than to ask that of you. I'd also ask you to learn the facts from somebody reporting within Honduras as we speak, but I know better than to expect that of you, too.

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October 2, 2009 5:07 PM    in reply to Xantar

Actually that was interesting but he sounds like the Honduran equivalent of Olbermann. Meanwhile the Honduran constitution is specific about what happens to people who want to extend their time in office. I like the part where the ballots were printed in Venezuela. Isn't that how Chavez took over his country?
Personally I like the CRS take on this.

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October 2, 2009 5:40 PM    in reply to shooter242

The analysis you linked (which is written by an American lawyer) is directly challenged by the former director of the Honduran Dirección Ejecutiva de Ingresos (equivalent to the IRS).

Even if we buy the LOC analysis in whole, that very analysis says that the forcible removal and exile of Zelaya from the country was beyond the authority granted to the military by the Supreme Court. If what he did was so wrong, he should have been brought to a trial where all the facts could be hashed out in public. Instead, we had a coup d'etat followed by documented cases of journalists and protesters being harassed, threatened or killed by the police and military. And they say Zelaya was the authoritarian one!

It's not as if Obama is alone in saying the coup was illegal. The EU has withdrawn their ambassadors. The Organization of American States unanimously condemned the coup as illegal and expelled Honduras. And not all of these countries are leftist Chavez sympathizers.

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October 2, 2009 6:25 PM    in reply to shooter242

You wish

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October 2, 2009 9:33 PM    in reply to shooter242

Shooter242, I live in Central America and I think Chavez is a chump, big time.

But the fact is, even in the most recent election, he won by a signicant margin. There were independent, international observers present and they found the election was remarkably free of corruption and manipulation.

See, that's the down side of democracy, it ALWAYS elects somebody somebody else doesn't like.

The difference now is, the losers of elections are determined to prevent the winners from governing.

I vehemently disagreed with most of GW's policies. But I always gave him credit where it was due.

He, for example, did more than any president before him, since the dawn of the AIDS epidemic, to make antiretroviral meds widely available to the millions of desperately poor Africans infected with HIV.

He deserves great credit for that. Likewise, as a liberal, I thought his actions in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 were right on. But why he dropped the legitimate anti-terror ball there to pursue what was, in reality, little more than a personal vendetta against Saddam, I will never know.

The difference today is, those who oppose Obama simply want him to fail and will give him credit for nothing.

This celebratory responce to the IOC's decision to site the 2016 Olympics is a case in point.

having the Olympics in Chicago would have been an economic boon for the city of Chicago and surrounding areas in the mid-West. But people like Bozo Beck, Ragin' Rush, Nasty Newt, et al, only care that the IOC's decision represents a failure for Obama.

These yahoos are a far greater threat to America than the Taliban and al Qaeda combined

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October 3, 2009 10:03 AM    in reply to macsurf

Thanks for the reply, but being happy that Obama fell on his face regarding the Olympics is in no way comparable to undermining Bush on the war. Which by the way, was authorized by a Democratic Senate.
Meanwhile back in Venezuela, I believe Chavez has packed the Supreme Court, Congress, and nationalized the media. Like Iran. In that atmosphere, I'm not surprised if elections went his way. Like Iran.
That said what's your view of Chavez' reforms? Is the country prospering?

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October 4, 2009 7:58 PM    in reply to shooter242

It was a Republican senate.

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October 2, 2009 5:10 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Very true. Bad behavior is fun, so when the trail is blazed by Democrats, we'll happily play by the same rules.

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October 3, 2009 2:40 PM    in reply to shooter242

Ah, yes. The adults of the right. Wah wah wah: Democrats did something wrong, sometime, somewhere, so we're going to go all in and be worse. The Democrats made us do it! The party of personal responsibility. Laughable.

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October 3, 2009 3:08 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Laugh all you like, there won't be a public option, probably no cap and tax, no more "stimulus", less new taxation, and the liberal brand will recede into the background yet again.

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October 3, 2009 4:12 PM    in reply to shooter242

And shooter, unable to substantively address any comment, changes the subject, yet again, to distract the readers.

Original post is about Creme Deminthe and Honduras, and you're now talking about the public option? That is some fancy tap-dancing.

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October 4, 2009 8:57 AM    in reply to CT Voter

Oh brother. A thread scold. Tsk.

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October 4, 2009 1:00 PM    in reply to shooter242

Nice illustration of my point. Thanks.

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October 4, 2009 1:39 PM    in reply to CT Voter

Any old time.

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October 4, 2009 1:17 PM    in reply to shooter242

Oh boy. A permatroll. Sigh.

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October 4, 2009 10:42 PM    in reply to shooter242

It's amazing how the last 8 years never happened in Republicans minds.

They completely forget how our country got to this point.

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October 5, 2009 12:25 AM    in reply to shooter242

So Conservatives are basicly copiers of Liberals is that it? You have no personal standards of behavior to follow, no principles, no conscience; is that what you're saying?

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October 2, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to Chris

2002 is not ancient history.

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October 2, 2009 3:30 PM    in reply to shooter242

Yes, you'd much prefer a Pinochet clone.

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October 3, 2009 1:45 PM    in reply to Schmed

Didn't we already have that for the 8 years prior to obama? Dictatorship and rigged elections. Or am I missing something.

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October 2, 2009 3:34 PM   

Imhofe will be laughed out of Denmark with his climate truth squad. In stead of him being the Ugly American, he will be the Utterly Stupid American. If the Europeans couldn't stand George W., they will see a real laugher of a wingnut on parade. All of low countries of Europe are very aware of the dangers of rising sea levels.

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October 2, 2009 3:44 PM    in reply to ivy22

Me thinks you are correct!!!

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October 2, 2009 4:09 PM    in reply to ivy22

The conference ought to refuse him admittance.

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October 2, 2009 6:00 PM    in reply to The Old Grouch

Has he even been invited to speak? I know he's not representing the U S government in any official capacity (travel accommodations provided by private parties, f'rinstance).

Maybe he plans to set up a little kiosk in the parking lot outside where the commissioners are meeting, handing out flyers stating that the sky is NOT falling--complete with substantiating photos from space of the giant balloons that are holding it up.

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October 2, 2009 6:23 PM   

They believe that they and their base are the only 'real' Americans. Liberals, progressives, black people, brown people, red people, are not.

They are thugs when in power and vicious when defeated. Sooner or later someone with power is going to have to call them on this crap. One of them will go one toke over the line and it will get really ugly.

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October 2, 2009 7:58 PM   

What a shame it is we need a word to describe the way Republicans so regularly put GOP Partisan Interest Over National Interest. Goppioni is such a word, an acronym, but one that sadly has wide application

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October 2, 2009 9:14 PM   

At what point does any of this violate the Logan Act?

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October 3, 2009 9:14 AM   

Why in hell should any Rethuglican obey the law -- they can torture, etc without fearing any consequences because once the act has been committed it is looking into the past to do anything about it and we want to look forward. Why should the Logan Act be any different?

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October 3, 2009 10:18 AM   

If these GOP legislators go anywhere as a private citizen and their trip is not paid for the the gov't, that is their right. They should be held accountable, if they come back and attempt to manipulate the country into action, using their political position to further that agenda...then they should be smacked. They will avoid this by going on rightwing radio and TV to sell their POV, but if they try and make promised and policy with these foreign leaders, then they are in deep do-do.

As for the ignorant legislator to try and make a point in Copenhagen will be hilarious, as major energy companies are withdrawing support for the GOP POV, he will be instantly recognized as a political fraudster. If he had a brain, he would not have announced his strategy, but to think that leaders around the world don't read about US politics is where the GOP get lost in the weeds! The world leaders know that all the rancor of the GOP is a political side show! To somehow think he will make it to a podium and be anything but a side show is beyond absurd...hopefully cameras will show not just him, but his audience of who and how many?

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October 3, 2009 2:48 PM   

You have a hell of a lot of gall to post this after 8 years of a systematic, 24/7, steady drumbeat of undermining everything the previous administration said or did. America counted for nothing with you people for 8 years - all that counted was getting power. It didn't matter that you were destroying our reputation internationally, it didn't matter that you frequently risked the lives of our sons and daughters serving overseas, it was all about power. There has been *nothing* that has occurred in that vein during this administration that rises to the level of the shameful actions that occurred weekly during the previous one, conducted by the Dems and media.

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October 3, 2009 3:03 PM    in reply to JohnO26

On what planet do you spend most of your time?

Not this one, I assume.

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October 4, 2009 11:23 AM    in reply to mjshep

You assume?!?!?!?!?!??! Isn't that the understated question of the century?

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October 3, 2009 6:10 PM    in reply to JohnO26

Right. Well, while you're off in the corner clutching your pearls waiting for the Homosexual Communist Apocalypse, the adults are going to get back to the business of making sure the world keeps on turning, m'kay?

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October 4, 2009 9:00 AM    in reply to JohnO26

Not to worry.
Don't get mad, get even.
And we are.

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October 4, 2009 4:13 PM    in reply to shooter242

LMAFO...I'm dying laughing here. Getting even? How, by making us laugh? Child, go back to bed and have mommy and daddy read you another story. You have no idea what the hell is actually going on.

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October 4, 2009 11:21 AM    in reply to JohnO26

ROTFLMAO, are you visiting us from Bizarro World?

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October 4, 2009 11:26 AM    in reply to JohnO26

LMAO, again, LOL! I am godless, but even I have to say 'oh jeeeez' on this one; this is toooooooooo funnee, LOL!

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October 4, 2009 12:54 PM    in reply to JohnO26

Rrright. There was talk radio and a TV network and dedicated 24/7 to the failure of President Bush. As I recall,talk radio and that network were 24/7 cheerleaders for Bush and everything Republican.
As far as blogs go, sure there were vitriolic sentiments expressed about Bush on the lefty blogs that resembled what is being said about Obama by Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc on broadcast and cable TV. The difference is that it was buried in comments in blogs, not opinion thrust into what is called "news" on the voracious 24 hour news monster.

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October 3, 2009 9:54 PM   

Watch the politicians, but don't lose sight of other operatives. This article from the Guardian suggests that Frank Luntz's strategy to undermine President Obama's Israeli settlement policy is a coordinated effort involving politicians & govt officials both countries. Don't get sidetracked on P/I. I want to understand what the GOP is doing here. Are we seeing a political operative joining with another government to subvert the President's foreign policy? Or am I reading too much into it & it's just standard operating procedure in politics. Feel free to educate me. Personally I have a feeling it would be called treason if Democrats were involved in this kind of campaign when a Repug is President.

The title alone has GOP written all over it. Jewish groups accuse Obama of promoting 'ethnic cleansing'... Don't settle for a mere lie.. frame the issue in terms that mock "liberal" ideals.

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October 3, 2009 10:01 PM    in reply to aimzzz

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October 4, 2009 9:49 AM   

DeMint should be tried for treason.

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October 4, 2009 10:57 AM   

Al Qaeda is only a distant third behind the GOP and Faux Newz as a threat to America.

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October 4, 2009 11:09 AM   

Only "real" Americans have the guts to speak out agianst American foreign ploicies when a Democratic administration is in charge. The same "real" Americans supported the republican admintration which lied America into an unnecessary war in Iraq, and would have supported a war with Iran. It must be nice being a "real" American.

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October 4, 2009 11:59 AM   

With a neocon, DLC, Blue Dog president like Barack Obama, who needs Republicans??? For all his progressive rhetoric, it's business as usual.

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October 4, 2009 12:37 PM   

And, as usual, where is the MSM on all this? Did any of the major newscasts show how the the "patriotic" Repubs responded to Chicago losing the Olympics? Has anyone done a "Special Report" on Republican leaders undermining US foreign policy?

No, I guess they don't have enough time or resources when there are so many more important stories out there - like how many women Dave Letterman slept with.

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October 4, 2009 1:16 PM   

We live under a system of political paralysis, the result of extremely bitter partisanry. It isn't about making real progress on issues anymore - it's all about winning the next election cycle. This, combined with the simple-mindedness of major media "info-tainment" and the proudly anti-intellectual streak of mainstream America is a fatal recipe. In retrospect, the ascendancy of America will be seen as an experiment that resulted in a global prominence of barely a century, barely a blip on the radar in terms of historically great civilizations.

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October 4, 2009 3:46 PM   

Its part of their overarching goals to delegitimize the president. If only democrats were capable of calling them out on their unamerican activities.

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October 4, 2009 4:07 PM   

darter22 - LMAO, what an asinine comment, what are 11?

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October 4, 2009 4:11 PM   

...I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Why do repubs hate America?

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October 4, 2009 4:12 PM   

HEY DEMOCRATS!! Take Notes and Record All of This!!

The next time a Republican occupies the White House and they cry foul, shove this news in their face when you disrupt or do anything to make waves for that Administration's Foreign Policy and Sec of State - not to mention Sec of Defense if a war is going on in the country being "visited"!!

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October 4, 2009 6:12 PM   

They WILL do anything and everything that they can think of to disrupt not just this administration but any agenda that does not fit theirs, period.

My impression is that by hook, theft, or crook they plan to use every means at their disposal to regain the whitehouse and majority in congress. They cannot stand being out of control and they are weiling as much power via corporate money, international relationships etc. to use against the current majority from without and within it.

It is really the majority of the 'people' and 'our' agenda that they oppose. This is feeling more and more like a combination of class warfare and subversive religious oppression than a fight between republicans and democrats or liberals and conservatives.

Congress needs to take immediate and clear action wherever and whenever possible if any acts of treason or misconduct take place in these attempts to subvert the administrations foreign policy.

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October 4, 2009 11:13 PM   

All republicans know is war. The war on drugs, war on crime, war on terror.

We are the enemy(thinking people) and they will do anything within some sort of reason to get their way no matter how many people it hurts.

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October 5, 2009 3:23 PM   

These guys will not win the Noble Peace Prize for their undermining, unpatriotic, self-serving efforts abroad. People in other countries must think these hacks are fools. They are an embarrassment to America.

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October 5, 2009 7:39 PM   

I don't think the real reason for going to the Honduras or Copenhagen is politics. Someone needs to check their bags on the way back. Besides the free vacations, these countries are also known for, lets say, a different type of stimulus.

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