
Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) says she's in for a health care debate, where she'll try to make the bill more like the Finance Committee package.
"Although I do not agree with everything in this bill, I have concluded that it is more important that we begin this debate," she said. "I will vote in support of cloture to debate this bill."
Her decision comes as Republicans gear up to attack the vote--on the question of whether to debate the bill--as a vote for the health care bill itself.
Now all the hold outs are on the record. Nelson, Lincoln and Landrieu will all vote yes. At this point, Democrats just need to make it to 8 pm without any surprises, and then they can call it a day.
nova voter
November 21, 2009 2:35 PM
and she just promised to join the filibuster if the bill contains a public option.
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Maritza
November 21, 2009 2:36 PM
She doesn't like the public option. Expect the trigger in the Senate.
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Tanjaoui
November 21, 2009 2:37 PM
Fine: no public option, no mandate.
If Americans think they can get something for nothing, they're going to end up like California:
http://www.ianwelsh.net/
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fkaZk0sm0
November 22, 2009 1:22 AM in reply to Tanjaoui
"no public option, no mandate."
god damn right.
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kash79
November 21, 2009 2:37 PM
I'm sorry to see these people in excruciating pain, when saying 'no' big insurance.
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theWalrus
November 21, 2009 2:44 PM
Perhaps it's time to call these inane Republicans and "moderate" Democrats bogus anti-government bluff - disband the government, send them their final paycheck and watch the ensuing chaos.
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CT Voter
November 21, 2009 2:44 PM
What about Lieberman?
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kash79
November 21, 2009 2:51 PM in reply to CT Voter
Didn't he already say he will vote for the debate to continue? But again, I guess, you're right. He does say a dozen different things between the start and the end of a eye blink.
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CT Voter
November 21, 2009 3:52 PM in reply to kash79
I guess he did. I was thinking of his promise to filibuster. But that's the next stage of betrayal, I guess.
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Lynn Dee
November 21, 2009 2:48 PM
Quote: "and she just promised to join the filibuster if the bill contains a public option."
I didn't hear her say that. I heard her say she wouldn't vote for the bill if it contained a public option. She could still vote for cloture to stop a filibuster and then vote no on the bill itself.
I assume the deal-making isn't over -- and maybe even that Bill Clinton's vocal and visible support for her re-election is part of any deal she might strike.
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kash79
November 21, 2009 3:01 PM in reply to Lynn Dee
Actually, I think, she's threatening to filibuster and not just vote against the final bill. Here comment on the Senate floor:
I'm prepared to vote against moving to the next stage of consideration as long as a government-run public option is included."
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Lynn Dee
November 21, 2009 5:03 PM in reply to kash79
"She's prepared to..."
I agree that that's a threat, but I disagree that it's a firm statement about anything. Just as she gave a speech today about how voting to proceed to debate isn't the same thing as voting for the bill, I can just as easily imagine her giving a speech in which she says voting to allow an up or down vote isn't the same thing as voting for the bill. And she'll sound just as sincere and corn-poney as she did today. All she needs is the right payoff.
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nova voter
November 21, 2009 3:27 PM in reply to Lynn Dee
she explicitly said that. that she will vote against letting the bill go to a vote.
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Lynn Dee
November 21, 2009 2:50 PM
"What about Lieberman?"
He's already said he'd vote for cloture to proceed to debate.
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jolly ranchero
November 21, 2009 2:52 PM
Means nothing if they're going to join the filly for the final vote.
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CT Voter
November 21, 2009 3:08 PM in reply to jolly ranchero
It means that they'll at least get to that point. If they didn't get to 60 for this, reform would have been dead now.
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cmpnwtr
November 21, 2009 2:57 PM
A little help here friends?
With the outcome today it looks like the first time through the Senate bill will have triggers. So the endgame either has triggers or will go through reconciliation in two bills. Am I correct?
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Marshall650
November 21, 2009 3:42 PM
Something I don't understand - since the House bill is already passed, why is it critical to the end product that the Senate bill have a public option? The Senate bill will have to have 60 votes to pass, but the final bill will only require 51 votes (right?). Why doesn't the Senate water down their bill enough to get the 60 votes, then add the public option back in conference with the House? That way, you get the public option in the final bill, but it only takes 51 votes to pass it.
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sdf (Stu)
November 21, 2009 4:12 PM in reply to Marshall650
As I understand it, there is at least one more procedural motion before they consider the conference committee report, is there not? And that that can be filibustered, even if the final bill itself cannot?
-- Stu
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Stroszek
November 22, 2009 12:47 AM in reply to sdf (Stu)
Yes, but it has to be a real, read-from-the-phonebook filibuster.
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fkaZk0sm0
November 22, 2009 1:25 AM in reply to Stroszek
there's no such thing.
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derekcito
November 21, 2009 4:28 PM
It would be sweet to carpet Arkansas with ads and stories about how much money Sen. Lincoln has taken from Big Insurance; might put her on the spot a little more. Politicians love to go on about how the money they take from corporate interests doesn't influence their votes. Lincoln should get her chance to prove it!
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Dominica57
November 21, 2009 4:39 PM
If she is truly going to vote for cloture that's all well and good, but the steadfast opposition of people like Lincoln, Landrieu, Nelson, and Baucus to a public option is getting on my last nerve. Agree with some here who have suggested Reid go all LBJ on some of these people and break some arms.
Oh well, as long as the thing makes it to conference committee and can get 51 votes I guess that's better than nothing. However, it's criminal that so much effort is being expended to keep truly needy people from enjoying the benefits of a revamped and more fair health insurance system now rather than later. Even if the thing passes and is signed into law the built in delays and deviations from the true purpose of the bill will result in a lot of needless suffering and death.
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Lynn Dee
November 21, 2009 5:04 PM
Quote: "The Senate bill will have to have 60 votes to pass, but the final bill will only require 51 votes (right?)"
No. There will be another procedural vote, subject to filibuster, after the final bill is put together and before the up or down vote (if there is one).
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Lynn Dee
November 21, 2009 5:53 PM
Quote: "The Senate bill will have to have 60 votes to pass, but the final bill will only require 51 votes (right?)"
No. There will be another procedural vote, subject to filibuster, after the final bill is put together and before the up or down vote (if there is one).
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