Is it a bigger scam then the fraud leading up to the iraq war? Or a bigger scam than the lies about trickle down economics or huge tax cuts for the uber wealthy? Or is it a bigger scam then the lies about the estate tax? Or, etc., etc., etc.

Much bigger scams coming from repuke pie holes, don't ya think?

Guess who's paying for the uninsured's visits to the emergency room. Timely and/or preventive health care is more effective and less costly than the system we have now.

Or we could just let the sorry SOBs die.

Medicare and Medicaid have been purposely damaged by the Republicans who desperately want them to fail. They designed that big donut that requires people to pay $4k out of pocket for their drugs. And your logic is ridiculous. Which, I guess, makes you a Republican. You fit right in. What do you call the current scam also known as the Health Insurance Industry? Deny care and pocket your premium anyway. Yes, the government can do this better. Turn off Fox.

You might call them tax payers but, insurance companies call them customers! That woman is an idiot! Of course we're all tax payers but, she's implying that the public will be paying for a policy that I might BUY!

In order to be subsidized for health insurance you need to file taxes. If you don't then you're evading the IRS and should be arrested.

Try again.

It has apparently escaped you that there are a lot of self-employed people and people whose employer does not provide insurance who cannot afford to pay for individual policies who would qualify to participate in the exchanges. Those people are taxpayers. The ones at the bottom of the income ladder qualify for Medicaid, so they are already getting subsidized insurance.

You are also overlooking that the current tax system already subsidizes employer-provided health insurance in the form of tax breaks to the employer.

Why do you Republicans have against giving working people who are not wealthy a helping hand?

It has apparently escaped you that there are a lot of self-employed people and people whose employer does not provide insurance who cannot afford to pay for individual policies who would qualify to participate in the exchanges. Those people are taxpayers. The ones at the bottom of the income ladder qualify for Medicaid, so they are already getting subsidized insurance.

You are also overlooking that the current tax system already subsidizes employer-provided health insurance in the form of tax breaks to the employer.

What do you Republicans have against giving working people who are not wealthy a helping hand?

"This is a bigger scam than the East Anglia global warmists."

You just thoroughly destroyed the slightest shred of credibility you may have had. Read the *facts* and learn (or are you intellectually lazy?):

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack-context/

And since subsidies will be spent on private plans as well, that means they're government-funded programs and private insurance should be abolished! Sounds like a plan!

We are already paying to subsidize the Insurance Companies. The taxpayers (the government) is paying billions to the insurance companies as subsidies and getting nothing from it.

The least we could do is get a robust public option and get some competition in the game to bring down costs. Its the only way.

60 Minutes did a pretty good segment on this last night

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5737138n

Fair and balanced:

We balance a known truth against an obvious falsehood.

Then we impose moral relativism to reduce both to mere opinion.

Then we toss out that which was true until we falsely reduced it to mere opinion.

Then we report the falsehood -- now transformed into "opinion" -- and let you decide whether it's true or false.

And with that much information it's as easy to decide that it's true as it is to count to from 1 to, well, 1.

Shooter2, you sir appear to be completely without reason, full of factlets that are not factual, and ready to speak with nothing coherent to say.
Please educate yourself and make this less painful for the rest of us.

Of course, what shooter can't acknowledge is that the subsidies for low-income people who must satisfy their individual mandate to buy private insurance will also be paid for by taxpayers. So it's not the "public option" that will be paid for by taxpayers. The PO (should it become reality) would receive the same "taxpayer payments" as any private insurance plan that a low-income person would choose.

Of course, the subsidy for private insurance, coupled with a mandate that everyone must buy it, is a gigantic windfall for a few very large, wealthy and powerful corporations -- essentially a direct wealth transfer from our pockets into the pockets of Aetna, CIGNA, UHC, and so on, with their 30% overhead, massive exec compensation packages, junkets to tropical resorts, and the rest. So 70%, at best, would go toward actually providing care. As opposed to the subsidy for a public option, which (if Medicare is any guide, and no reason why it shouldn't) would put about 97% of that subsidy towards providing care.

Keep up the good work.

Bull. Most all of the people who will be eligible for a subsidy will be "working poor," i.e. taxpayers. Unless you're conflating the subsidy for people below 300% of the poverty line for people eligible for Medicaid, which, I realize, looks like exactly the same thing to Republicans.

Conservatard definition of a scam: anything that Fox News says is bad.

And the tens of thousands who die as victims of health insurance monopoly rationing by use of its death panels.

I don't know that a FOX liar lying to the viewers is the same thing as an "on-screen error".