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Every time the Republicans said the $787 economic stimulus plan didn't create jobs, the Obama administration was ready with a counterargument proving them wrong. That's one reason the self-inflicted problems of inaccurate reports at Recovery.gov sting.

The administration says it's a non-story, since the errors were about data entry, and the data entry only happened because they have tried to make the spending as transparent and real-time as possible.

Officials pointed us to today's AP Fact Check on so-called phantom districts, and said they are correcting "rough" data that is less than one percent of the total that's been posted at Recovery.gov.

But this afternoon came the latest, when ABC News obtained a report from the Government Accountability Office showing "more than 50,000 jobs or one out of every 10 jobs the White House says were 'saved or created' by their economic stimulus plan came from projects that reported spending no money."

ABC reported that GAO says there are a "range of significant reporting and processing problems that need to be addressed."

It may not be fair, but the Republicans are having a field day.

Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT) pointed out the data showed his state's 4th Congressional district, which doesn't exist, received $1.1 million in stimulus cash.

From the snarky Bishop press release:

"This is great news!" Congressman Bishop announced after visiting the site. "Who needs to count Mormon missionaries in the census when according to the Executive Branch, Utah already has a 4th seat in Congress! Even better, that 4th seat was able to secure $1.1 million dollars from the Economic Recovery Act. Unfortunately, that million dollars wasn't able to create any jobs in the 4th district."

A district labeled "00" received $539,834, creating 26 jobs. Bishop added: "If one counts the 00 district, we've actually got 5 seats in Congress."

Democrats have been kinder, with the exception of Rep. David Obey's scathing statement earlier this week.

Vice President Joe Biden spoke about the goofs for the first time since the ABC report was released. Appearing on Comedy Central's "Daily Show" last night, Biden said the administration is going back and checking.

"Can you keep track?" Stewart asked.

"You can't keep track," Biden replied.

"Every single solitary penny that got sent out there to a state, to a construction company, to a nonprofit had to be accounted for, and it all got put on Recovery.gov," he said, adding that of the people filing 130,000 reports, "70 didn't know how to count."

"What happened was there were bad civics classes for those 70 people," Biden said.

He misspoke - it is actually 700 factual errors.

Biden tried to turn the problem into a laugh line: "Thank god its not true, they said there are 14 Congressional districts in Arizona - imagine all those Republicans!"

The audience laughed.

It didn't get easier today, when Recovery.gov spokesman Ed Pound was quoted in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. From their story:

"We know what the problem is and we are trying to fix it,'' said Pound. Asked why recipients would pluck random numbers - 26, 45, 14 - to fill in for their congressional district, Pound replied, "who knows, man, who really knows. There are 130,000 reports out there.''

Some of the examples ABC News found:

Moore's Shoes in Campbellsville, Ky., claims nine jobs were created from an $890 grant for nine pairs of work boots for the Army Corps of Engineers.

Head Start of Augusta, Ga., claimed 317 jobs with a $790,000 grant, but it was really just a one-time raise to its 317 employees.

This government watchdog group has listed a breakdown of what they call "phantom districts."

Late update: The White House puts out another response.

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November 18, 2009 4:09 PM   

The White House should have known better and they better get their act together on this and make sure the next one is as accurate as possible.

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November 18, 2009 7:45 PM    in reply to Maritza

The White House made the crucial endeavor to achieve transparency and accountability of the stimulus funds. Unfortunately, however, the logistics to achieve said transparency and accountability necessarily rely on the use of self-reporting, to an extent. Because of the rapidity of the outlays, the administration seems to have taken the view that the fastest way to determine how stimulus funds impact localities is to have the localities (i.e., cities, districts, businesses, etc.) themselves report the impact of the funds.

However, it is worth noting that these self-reports are estimates. They are initial assessments that will be combed over by other, more formal groups, such Biden's Task Force, as well as by statisticians like Christina Romer and Orsag, who are taking a more detailed look at these reports, and even others. Their formal assessments will lead to more reliable data than these initial self-reports.

Frankly, in the context of assessing self-reports, it should come as no surprise that self-reports have flaws; they often do. That's not an "Obama administration" problem. That's a people problem. But, again, these initial reports aren't the final word on these funds.

That being said, it doesn't surprise me that the media has chosen to focus on the fact that a some of the self-reports are flawed. It's more exciting to say that "50,000 jobs came from spending no money," than it is to talk about the other 600,000 jobs that were saved or created.

Yet, with regard to those "50,000 jobs from spending no money," it's worth noting that job creation can be a collateral benefit of initial stimulus fund outlays. For example, stimulus funds may be used directly for creating or saving a job (e.g., construction foreman), allowing the business owner to hire an additional worker/s (e.g., construction worker). Thus, jobs could be indirectly created by the stimulus, causing some to count them as jobs created for "zero stimulus spending." Initial stimulus spending may also (and likely does) lead to the creation of wholly unrelated jobs. Collateral job creation is not some far-fetched concept. It happens.

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November 19, 2009 1:56 AM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

This is why in the A.D.D. world of today's U.S. press corps, "transparency" efforts such as these don't work.

Anyone in the programs & projects business will tell you that booking work and tracking budgets is not such an exact science.

Every little mistake and every thing that can be turned into a headline such as these examples will be seized upon by our TMZ mainstream media and Beck/Malkin GOP leadership.

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November 18, 2009 4:17 PM   

The Republicans should have a field day

As any Public Admin student will attest, tracking budget expenditures is notoriously difficult but they made a big deal of it and put Biden in charge


Nice topic for a PA Thesis

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November 18, 2009 4:39 PM   

Sure it would have been so much better if they had just thrown the money into a memory hole without telling anyone where it went. That is certainly the lesson we learned from the last administration.

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November 18, 2009 5:23 PM    in reply to agio

BLAM! Maybe they should've loaded money on palettes and landed them on an aircraft carrier under a banner.

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November 18, 2009 6:12 PM    in reply to fbacon2

Or just stuff it in suitcases and hand it out to "independent contractors".

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November 18, 2009 4:42 PM   

The watchdog group you linked to is a far-right organization that is pretty much just there to attack the Obama administration and Democrats in general, btw.

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November 18, 2009 4:48 PM   

They did set themselves up for it by reporting rough data, but the whole thing is a typical MSM bullshit Catch-22 gotcha which is, of course, one of the GOP's favoritest things.

A few months ago, they were bitching and snarking because the data wasn't being reported fast enough. (Anyone remember that besides me? Anyone? Hellooooo?) Now they're pulling on their outrage panties and giving them a 180 degree twist because the Administration responded to that pressure and put the data on in rough form and exposed the normal correction process to public scrutiny.

And as I've bitched about before, the whole nontroversy is dependent upon the basic innumeracy of the public and the MSM.

Per Obey's camerawhoring snit

"Fix the problem, the blessed problem, so that we're getting accurate information. I don't care what people's bureaucratic niceties are, or how hard it is to do it. I mean, they've got to fix the problem, so the American people can understand what the realities are.

Well, the reality, fool, is that perfect accuracy is impossible and the error rate that you and the ABC asshats all hot and bothered about is less than one percent. How that kind of rate in any way impairs people's ability "to understand what the realities are" is quite beyond me. What is impairing people's "ability to understand the realities" is ABC and Obey feeding on most people's basic inability to grasp the magnitude of the difference between a million and a hundred billion to provoke misplaced outrage and induce destructive cynicism for their own advantage.

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November 18, 2009 5:20 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

I think the Administration should have a primetime special addressing the issue, cite 40 jobs created in order to pull the Repugs anal-beads out one cherished yelp at a time. Less than 1% is insignificant when it comes to rough data.

How do we know that those reports weren't purposely filed incorrectly so as to create the controversy in the first place? I mean isn't that what the "hurry up and report the data" was about in the first place. We agree, Formerly NCSteve.

Why the hell are we still giving these people airtime? Oh, I forgot who controls the "liberal media." I think they are all sadists who get off at seeing intelligent "elites" choke back vomit when someone brings up a ridiculous talking point just because they're in the spotlight.

I'd rather see homeschooler dance-offs than see these assholes try to continually undermine this country... (but then I think, isn't that what they want? A bunch of leftists talking about how un-American the right is? This way they can name drop Hitler some more.)

Actually, I think homeschooler dance-offs should be a reality television show where no one gets kicked off. Heh.

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November 18, 2009 6:49 PM    in reply to justperceptions

Yeah I do but you can't satisfy these thug bastards. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I don't remember this scrutiny of GWB. He never posted anything or told us anything and that was just fine with the pigs.

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November 18, 2009 5:22 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

The problem now, as evidenced by TPM with this post, is that we're in Phase II of the MSM gotcha game. Phase I is rooted in innumeracy, and Phase II is reporting on the initial "controversy" generated. Reporters may not understanding statistical reporting or data entry, but they know for darn sure that some blowhard issued a nasty press release.

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November 18, 2009 4:52 PM   

Agreed with Maritza. While it pains me to watch the GOP go nuts about this (and comments on the topic--even on CNN--are nasty at best), when it comes to legitimacy and confidence in these sorts of numbers, you don't get too many tries to get it right.

Wrote a blog entry about this yesterday that some of you may find interesting:

http://adamrneary.com/2009/11/17/analytics-you-dont-get-too-many-tries-to-get-it-right/

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November 18, 2009 5:30 PM   

I've said it before. The correct response is "this is a good problem to have."

It's a good problem to have holes in your open database of stimulus spending. It's a bad problem to have no such open database. The fact that we can talk about these holes and know how to correct them is light years better than billions of dollars disappearing on trucks in Iraq. I wish instead of backpeddling the admins would make this simple point.

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November 18, 2009 5:49 PM   

For those saying the white house needs to get its act together etc. the white house did not report the data. If you got money you sent the info to an agency who entered the data into the website. Barack Obama was not personally entering data. Also this was the first reporting cycle that actually had large numbers of stimulus money. So this is an error that is kind of understandable given how fast this whole process including applying for and reporting stimulus funds. Stop agreeing with Republicans on non issues---it's bad for you.

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November 18, 2009 6:12 PM    in reply to eve cairo

Barack Obama was not personally entering data.

You mean, he has better things to do right now ?

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November 18, 2009 11:56 PM    in reply to agio

Of course he does. He is working hard to bring down unemployment. Oh, wait, no he's not. My bad.

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November 18, 2009 5:52 PM   

While the administration is solely to blame for these error, I'd rather be settled with this blunder than the blunder made by Bush and Cheney when they ignored that daily briefing in August 2001 about possible attacks in the US. Their blunder resulted in the deaths or some 3,000 people!

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November 18, 2009 11:52 PM    in reply to roxanne

Hey, I have an idea. Let's bring up something completely irrelevant in an attempt to play down the obvious fraud being perpetrated here. Oh, wait, you beat me to it.

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November 18, 2009 11:51 PM   

"It may not be fair, but the Republicans are having a field day."

And why exactly is it not fair? Cry me a freakin river, crybabies.

"Barack Obama was not personally entering data."

So now the president is no longer blamed when those in his administration screw up? So much for the buck stops here. Needless to say, such a standard would be unprecedented. But for the first president to have his own cult-of-personality, it should come as no surprise that his sycophantic defenders would use such a defense.

"The audience laughed."

Of course it did. Stewart's audience will laugh at anything an unfunny partisan Democrat says. Stewart is Exhibit A in that case.

Funny this story doesn't mention that the government website showed jobs were "created or saved" in a whopping 875 congressional districts. A miraculous feat when you consider there are only 435 districts in the entire United States. I wonder why there is no mention of that here. Of course anyone who doesn't have a "Yes We Did" bumper sticker on his car knew all along that the whole pathetic "created or saved" charade was completely bogus to begin with.

The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.

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November 19, 2009 1:51 AM    in reply to masanf

Perhaps, you should read the link below about recipient-reported data:

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/RecipientReportedData/Pages/RRData.aspx

I know that people love conspiracy theories (the right seems to have a special affinity for any that concern Obama), but suggesting that there are nefarious reasons behind these stimulus self-reports discrepancies is a stretch, particularly since a more likely explanation is that some people -- recipients of government funds -- likely made errors when they reported the required information. This explanation is reinforced by the data; many of the "phantom districts" are labeled "00" or "99," suggesting that many probably did not know their district and reported "00" or "99" on the forms, or that they left the "district" question blank and the data entry persons coded a non-response as "00" or "99."

Additionally, the notion that someone simply would not know the exact number of their district and report the wrong district is a perfectly reasonable one; people make mistakes. Indeed, information on the link above expressly states, "Recovery.gov has not changed or corrected the reported data." You're looking at raw data, which is being combed for errors as we speak.

Additionally, all this hubbub is over approximately 4% of the funds allocated. In other words, of ALL the funds allocated, 96% of the reports are in order. An error rate of about 4% on data collected via self-report, on such an expansive outlay, is actually quite impressive. I'm sure the retort would be that, "Hey, but 4% is nothing to sneeze at." My reply would be to refer you again to reporting procedures, which note that these are RAW numbers that are being checked for errors as we speak.

Oh, and about the "Obama Record"... Record unemployment occurred during the Great Depression. But, even under Reagan, unemployment was higher than it is today, and Reagan didn't even have to face the potential collapse of our financial system... Those "record deficits" are 37% loss of revenue because of the recession, about 33% because of Bush programs, 20% comes from programs started under Bush and continued by Obama, such as the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars and tax cuts, 7% comes from the supposedly "whopping" stimulus and 3% comes from Obama's so-called "budget-busting" budget... A major legislative accomplishment was the Recovery Act [the much-loathed (by the right wing) Fair Pay and Hate Crimes legislation are others], which has moved our economy, according to nonpartisan economists, from negative GDP growth to positive territory. So, in a matter of months, Obama has help move our economy away from potential collapse, and set it toward a path of potentially robust recovery. That may be a negligible accomplishment to you, but I'll go out on a limb and say that history probably won't be so dismissive of the feat.

It's clear that hyperbole is your friend. But, maybe you spend less time with him, and more time with your enemy: fact.

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November 19, 2009 1:57 AM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

See article below for reference on deficit numbers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

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November 19, 2009 1:42 AM   

I'd like to know where all the money went that Paulsen signed off for the TARP funds. I'd also like to know where all the money went to for the 2 wars. What districts benefitted, what private contractors did and how much they were funded and how much the Karzi government is being paid off as well as the Taliban. All these things happened under the Bush administration and we still don't know where those trillions went.

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November 19, 2009 3:21 AM   

Funny how Republicans never cared when $2,000,000,000 in cash was never accounted for when it was lost in a warehouse in Baghdad. No that was not just an accounting error.

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