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Roll Call is reporting (sub. req.) this morning that Congressional Hispanic Caucus Chairwoman Nydia Velázquez (D-NY) is unhappy with potential language about illegal immigrants not being covered under the health care plan.

The newspaper reports Velázquez warned President Obama yesterday that 20 members of her caucus will vote against the final bill if that language is included.

In their current forms, the Senate version of the bill blocks illegals from getting coverage, the House bill does not.

"He listened to us and he knows where we stand," Velazquez said, according to Roll Call. "We made it very clear that we support the language that is in the House. We expect that the current language will not change."

We've checked in with her office and with the White House and will update readers when we know where this stands.

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November 6, 2009 10:54 AM   

Yeah, vote against the final bill and see how well the immigration reform bill goes for you.

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November 6, 2009 11:00 AM   

I admire her position and her willingness to fight for it. At least she is trying to protect individuals- not big corporations. Having said that, I'm not sure it is wise to vote against the bill that would benefit most of the people.

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November 6, 2009 11:11 AM   

for the record, Illegal immigrants have always been banned from receiving subsidies. What conservative dems now want is to ban illegal immigrants from being able to buy any insurance, with their own money, from the exchange. So that's what, around 11 million people who will continue to use the emergency rooms, and govt clinics?

Also, conservative dems are worried about abortions, and the public option.

Who needs republicans? This is all the work of democrats.

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November 6, 2009 11:14 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

also, "for the greater good", "to benefit the most people" are the arguments of torture advocates and other utilitarian political philosophies. Just saying.

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November 6, 2009 11:37 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

So, because greater good arguments are used by advocates for torture and other utilitarian political philosophies, they're never valid? Just sayin'

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November 6, 2009 11:51 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

they work if you believe in them

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November 6, 2009 11:54 AM    in reply to Indie Pro

You are absolutely right and I agree with the points you made in your first post. The last one, however, I hope you are not comparing my remark on benefiting the majority even if it inconveniences the few to advocating torture. I just hope you are not saying the democratic process (which supports issues viewed important by the majority) is somehow comparable to the barbaric and inhumane practice of torture.

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November 6, 2009 11:59 AM    in reply to Beagle

I'm not comparing anything to torture, just the type of arguments used to justify torture and your justification. It's the same as the arguments for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For the greater good the civilians in those cities must perish. For the greater good deny illegal immigrants access to the exchanges, even though doing so is an ill affect on the reform and cost savings you are seeking.

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November 6, 2009 11:56 AM   

I just spoke with Rep. Velazquez office. I'm a constituent and a strong supporter of immigration reform- THIS IS PLAYING POLITICS. The Senate votes are tenuous at best and whatever compromises involving immigration Sen. Reid needs to get it done I'm okay with. All this does is bring back the focus on immigration and give opponents something to point at for a few days on tv talk shows. In the end Velazquez and Hispanic Caucus WILL vote for any bill anyway,or face constituent wrath for shooting down health care. They're just trying to play up base right now.
THIS DOESN'T HELP IMMIGRATION REFORM OR HCR.

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November 6, 2009 12:05 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

as long as progressives/liberals are submissive to conservative (democrats and repubicans) "politics" and acquiesce to their demands, especially when they are as unreasonable as this, then I can't see where you have much hope for any other position you hope to achieve.

illegal immigrants are not allowed subsidies, and that is how it should be. But why deny them access to insurance when it cuts healthcare costs, since they won't be using the emergency rook. 10 million people plus!

BTW, politics is what this is, and not a dirty word.

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November 6, 2009 12:09 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

also,

this "conservative" position is designed to punish a people, and gain favor with their base.

If they were truly "conservative" the cost savings for healthcare gained in insuring more people would be their trumpeted call!

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November 6, 2009 12:14 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

I'm not submissive on these issues but do you want Health care or immigration reform? if you take too much time arguing other fights we're going to go into next year.
I KNOW immigrants use no social subsidies but do you want to spend weeks arguing about the rights of immigrants, when the bill is designed to bring in health care reform? I believe in Public option- that is not something I will ever give in to. But there is a common sense line that can be drawn.
With your argument we might as well add language that legalizes gay marriage to this bill.

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November 6, 2009 12:19 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

see below

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November 6, 2009 12:12 PM   

I'm not submissive on these issues but do you want Health care or immigration reform? if you take too much time arguing other fights we're going to go into next year.
I KNOW immigrants use no social subsidies but do you want to spend weeks arguing about the rights of immigrants, when the bill is designed to bring in health care reform? I believe in Public option- that is not something I will ever give in to. But there is a common sense line that can be drawn. With your argument we might as well add language that legalizes gay marriage to this bill.

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November 6, 2009 12:18 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

Ah, elections! You dont mind poltics at all.

Good healthcare reform, which includes allowing as many people as possible to get insurance, and alleviating the strain on "Emergency room" healthcare.

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November 6, 2009 12:36 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

Immigrants use no social subsidies? I guess that depends on what your definition of "social subsidies" is...Where I used to live, they get welfare, food stamps, cheaper housing, Medicare/Medicaid...And the actual citizens don't, because there's no money left. So we got told that we "didn't qualify."

They shouldn't be here. They broke the law coming here, knowing full well they were doing it. Don't give them more incentive to stay...Ship their asses back to Mexico and arm the borders. Start shooting them when they try and cross.

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November 6, 2009 12:47 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

in the bills being considered illegal immigrants are specifically denied subsides. That's what we are talking about.

But thanks for showing the hate behind such actions.

PS: Not all illegal immigrants are from Mexico. I personally know some from Australia and Europe, as well as other South American countries.

That being said, this isn't about incentives to stay, but alleviating thet strain of Emergency Room Healthcare on the costs of healthcare overall. A cost we all share.

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November 6, 2009 1:29 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

I've never disagreed with the points Indie Pro is making about illegal immigrants (who BTW can't get medicare or any of the other stuff Kuyleh is talking about because they wouldn't be able to have proper documents and usually don't even apply out of fear).
I disagree in the STRATEGY Velazquez is using to get her versions. I like politics. I don't think politically this is a winning STRATEGY to get HCR or Immigration Reform. It's a press release to get attention to the issue, that's it. The Hispanic Caucus know which way they are voting regardless.

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November 6, 2009 1:48 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

just to be square:

her version is currently in the bill, she's warnign against changes to satisfy conservative democrats and Obama's position on this matter.

The newspaper reports Velázquez warned President Obama yesterday that 20 members of her caucus will vote against the final bill if that language is included.

Shes's trying to keep the house bill from becomsing even more conservative. And good on her!

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November 6, 2009 3:02 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

She's threatening to vote against it should it change right before a vote. She's not keeping to morals she's trying make a show.
She could've waited to get to the conference committee and easily removed it there. Thereby allowing all parties to save face.
Not so good on her!

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November 6, 2009 3:11 PM    in reply to LatinoDem

she's on the conference committee?

the conference committee is where the whole bill will move further to the right anyway

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November 6, 2009 12:49 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

I know we are sliding into a different debate but it is impossible, yes impossible to deport even one-third of the illegal immigrants. I live on the NY Upper West Side and the sheer volume of it makes it a logistical nightmare. It's not the question of politics, but the question of logistics and national stability. Further, in millions of cases, the stories are complex and intertwined. Some have stayed here for decades, have American sons and daughters and have in fact contributed to shape the fabric of the country as much as a average American.

This must be a dealt almost on a community to community basis, with a primary intention to stop further infiltration and with the aim to integrate many of the illegal immigrants into the mainstream process.

War lords and gangs in LA for example make classic cases for arrests and deportation, but by and large it is not simple as you suggest.

It seems much of your opinion in based on personal experience, but it the solution can be only be based on objective guidelines

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November 6, 2009 2:08 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

Okay, we'll "ship 'em back", first thing Monday.

Then, you can tell me if the impact on the Southwest's economy is worse than when you didn't have all that "illegally" cheap labor.

Whatever you believe Mexicans are sucking-out of our wealth, merely by having a place to get treated when they're ill, will be dwarfed by what it will cost when you actually have to pay salary and bennies to poor white people, to do the same work.

May I make a suggestion? Some day, make it a point to meet a real Mexican. Maybe they won't seem so scary or dirty to you, anymore.

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November 6, 2009 12:17 PM   

Frankly, while it makes her feel a little important for the moment this is just knucklehead politics.

She is not serving the interest of either the healthcare or the immigration reform.

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November 6, 2009 12:59 PM   

If there is enough political will for taxpayer subsidies for illegal aliens via the exchange, this effort will be worthwhile. If, however, that will is lacking, then all the passengers should not have to sink because not everyone can get a place on the lifeboats. In any case, immigration reform down the road could equate the return of the lifeboats for those left behind.

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November 6, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

this isn't about subsidies

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November 6, 2009 1:32 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

Please correct me here. Exclusion of illegal immigrants arose after the "you lie" episode, which was a reaction to the president denying that taxpayers would be helping illegal immigrants. It is the main reason the legislation sought to exclude illegal immigrants from the exchange, due to the subsidies made available through the exchange.

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November 6, 2009 1:39 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Current Law
Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Medicaid or SCHIP. Verification procedures vary from state to state. Legal immigrants must wait 5 years before applying for Medicare/Medicaid

House Bill
Undocumented immigrant are ineligible for government subsidies in the Exchange but could buy coverage with private premiums.

White House position/Senate Bill
Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for government subsidies and cannot purchase coverage within the Exchange. Legal immigrants could qualify for tax credits outside of the 5-year waiting period.

Possible changes
Stronger verification mechanisms (through the Department of Homeland Security, not just Social Security Administration); inclusion of Senate eligibility language in House bill.

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November 6, 2009 1:40 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

I meant to include the link where I copied this data:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/06/house-vote/

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November 6, 2009 1:15 PM   

I'm inclined to agree with Indie Pro here--this is more about getting credit for sticking it to "them illegals" than about any principled or thoughtful policy goal.

I found this article helpful:
http://www.lasvegasfamilyimmigration.com/blog/?p=231

Note also that there are apparently laws on the books already that make LEGAL immigrants jump through hoops. If there's a legitimate policy reason for penalizing people who have come here legally, it's a mystery to me.

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November 6, 2009 2:48 PM   

There are extremely solid public policy reasons for allowing illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance through the Exchange.

The success of the Exchange (or virtually any other approach to expanding insurance coverage) depends on the largest possible number of people buying into the plans, thereby spreading the risk among the maximum number of rate payers - thus helping lower premiums for everyone.

It is especially important that younger, healthier people buy into the insurance pool. That's why the policy consensus has emerged that an individual mandate is probably essential to making the plan work. The reality is that most undocumented workers tend to be younger and healthier - the exact group we need to lure into the health insurance market.

Their premiums would help underwrite coverage for everyone in the country. (And, at least under the House bill, they could buy in themselves but are totally ineligible for any subsidy -- joining the many working Americans or businesses who could buy unsubsidized coverage through the Exchange.)

If illegal immigrants are not allowed to purchase health insurance, they will instead continue to rely on emergency rooms and public clinics for health care, often delaying treatments until a condition has become acute, avoiding preventive care, and potentially allowing infectious diseases to go uncontrolled-- costing taxpayers even more money and potentially endangering public health.

So the political expediency of attacking immigrants would result in higher premiums and higher taxes for the rest of the population - not exactly the outcome our elected officials should be working toward.

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November 6, 2009 3:04 PM   

WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF CONTRADICTION THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE STOPPED. Very few politicians have tried to halt the occupancy by foreign invaders to our country? This is why the E-Verify mechanism was never mandated, owing to the fact that Americans are last to be a priority, specially the 15.3 million jobless workers. Already Hispanic Caucuses have confronted President Obama at the White House, with the chair of the House Rules Committee indicating they are giving the Caucuses what they have adamantly demanded. Rep. Louise Slaughter D-N.Y indicated that the House will have to vote on a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care "exchange". A loophole that does not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed new federal health care system. Please call all Democratic House Members and urge them to vote against the rule that provides a weak verification mechanism that still allows illegal aliens to purchase insurance from the health care exchange. WE MUST JAM THE SWITCHBOARDS IN WASHINGTON, PUSHING OUR OWN DEMANDS at 202-224-3121 that bars illegal aliens from the health care insurance "exchange" YOUR VOICE IS MAKING AN IMMENSE DIFFERENCE TO HOW THE POLITICIANS VOTE?

Other pieces of information contributing to the dilemma of US legal population: Senate Census allows to Count Illegal Aliens for Congressional Districting . CBO Says New Health Care Bill Would Cover 2.5 Million More Illegal Aliens. Reid Kills E-Verify Amendment to Unemployment extension Bill. Pro-Enforcement Candidates win in Virginia and New Jersey. 68% of Americans Oppose Sanctuary Cities

You can learn about the corruption and incompetence of lawmakers at NUMBERSUSA. Court cases, political sleaze and immigration non-enforcement at JUDICIAL WATCH. How population growth will effect future generations at CAPSWEB. NO BLANKET AMNESTY!

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November 6, 2009 3:16 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

If this made sense, it might help your cause.

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