Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and the Tea Party Patriots are not expecting a warm reception on Capitol Hill Thursday. In a series of conference calls Wednesday night, representatives of the "thousands" of tea partiers who have promised to heed Bachmann's call to make a "last stand" against Democratic-led health care reform told their members to expect the worst from the members of Congress they plan to lobby.
"The attitude we're facing right now is very hostile," Tea Party Patriot national organizer Jenny Beth Martin said on a conference call for regional leaders TPMDC sat in on Wednesday night. "The [members] don't even want to hear from us on these issues."
Martin, Bachmann and RedState.com's Erick Erickson told regional organizers on the calls that Thursday's rally and storm through the halls of Congress were the tea partiers last chance to stop what Bachmann called the Democrats' plan to "literally have the power of life and death over you."
"There are no other rabbits to pull out of the hat," Bachmann said. "This is the only thing I can think to do."
Bachmann is the woman behind Thursday's events on Capitol Hill which -- according to the numbers promised by regional organizers on the calls -- will bring more than 1,000 protesters face-to-face with the members of congress nearing floor votes on a pair of health care reform packages.
Organizers said they expect final floor votes on the health care bills to come as early as this weekend, making the protests tomorrow their last chance to stop the reforms they see as a government takeover of health care.
Events kick off at noon, with Bachmann rallying the tea partiers on the capitol steps. Then the group will fan out across both sides of Congress, directly appealing to a targeted list of House Blue Dogs and moderate Democratic senators to stop the bills their respective leaders are pushing through Congress. Bachmann said the she came up with the idea last Thursday, after learning of existing tea partier plans to protests outside Congressional district offices across the country.
The speed in which the protest was put together was clear on the calls, with protesters conferring about parking, timing and other arrangements on the fly as they chatted on the conference lines.
"Nothing scares a member of Congress more than a freedom-loving American," Bachmann said. "We learned that during the town halls."
Bachmann told organizers on one of the calls that her goal for the day was a simple one. "Don't forget -- the purpose of this is to kill the bill," she said.
"I think if we stop it, it could be dead for 10 years," Bachmann added.
But before the group can get their message across, they have to get in the building. And some on the calls warned protesters to expect House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to bring the full force of her office to stop them. Organizers spoke of rumors that Pelosi had ordered Capitol Police to force protester buses to park far away from the Capitol and told police to deny them the chance to deliver letters based on trumped up fears of "anthrax."
At one point, protestors were told not to dress "too nicely" for fear the media would characterize them as a "Brooks Brothers riot," after the astroturfed RNC protests that shut down the election recount in 2000.
"The SEIU guys will do their best to send people in suits in there to make it look like we're spray-painting the Capitol or something," one national organizer said.
Bachmann didn't confirm the protesters' fears, but she didn't do much to alleviate them either. "Don't bring your pitchforks -- bring your video cameras," she said to organizers. "That will absolutely scare your Representatives so much it will kill the bill."
Bachmann called tomorrow's protest a "desperate act," but one that grew from a fear among the public of what might happen if the Democratic health reforms come to pass. "There's no organization here," she told the callers. "It's a total organic act."
Watch Bachmann address the security concerns on Fox News Wednesday afternoon:

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Walter Mitty
November 4, 2009 11:30 PM
If there is a big number, they simply won't be let into buildings for legitimate safety concerns. The teabaggers will look to provoke Capitol police with Fox cameras rolling. This could all backfire as well, with a member of the opposition leading folks to physically confront Reps. and Senators. And Cantor endorsed the action, so leadership can't run from this if it escalates.
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ARG in Chicago
November 5, 2009 12:14 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
Yeah, get out those billy clubs. Whack a 'bagger for me!!
-- ARG
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Jaycal
November 5, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
What if there are no Congressional reps to confront? Despite all our populist ranting against elected officials, they are pretty busy little bees. Besides, who would want to be sitting in their office waiting for the wingnuts to drop by when they could be out enjoying the last of the Fall weather in DC?
I can here the byline now... Congressional reps scared to 'confront' teabaggers.
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Nebton
November 5, 2009 11:10 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
Really? It's like we've been watching two different Republican parties. The Republican party I know is never afraid to create obvious contradictions. ;)
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JennOfArk
November 5, 2009 12:19 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Gosh, with this giant mob of 1,000, they'll outnumber our senators and representatives by almost 2-to-1!!!!
That's if they manage to get inside the building.
LAME.
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roxanne
November 4, 2009 11:35 PM
Sponsored by the aptly named Dick Armey and FREEDOM WORKS! Yes, that really grassroots!
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hunter
November 5, 2009 1:45 AM in reply to roxanne
There's no organization here; It's a total organic act.
You do realize that you are on a conference call organizing this thing, right?
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roxanne
November 4, 2009 11:41 PM
You just know that the queen of the wingnuts is wasting her time when she tells these screamers not to bring pitchforks. Let's just hope that when they try to bum rush the Capital, they trample each other to death. I can't wait to watch them spewing even more racists, angry, ignorant, sore loser, stupid country bumpkin, hayseed, hillbilly, hatred for the national audience to see. You know they're still going to be pissed after that NY 23 debacle last night. I predict mayhem!
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nancydenis
November 5, 2009 8:59 AM in reply to roxanne
Why do people on this site constantly imply to these wing nuts are country folk? It would be my guess that the largest majority are from the white suburbs.
I live in the country. Most of my neighbors are political way right of where I am - but in most cases they also have a big respect for "the American way" and realize they lost the election. They are working hard to assure that does not happen again (in my opinion, a much bigger threat to the Democratic Party than the tea baggers)but are quite embarrassed by the suburban crazy Bachmann trying to take over their party.
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johnbwarner
November 4, 2009 11:47 PM
Bachmann, How about legitimate debate on the House floor, or does that scare you the way you're trying to scare your supposed constituents, who supposedly are experts on the intricacies of health care reform? When all else fails, let the wild rumpus start.
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Mike Hickerson
November 4, 2009 11:50 PM
Sorrry, John. "Legitimate" just is not in the lexicon of these nutbags.
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Redwood Rhiadra
November 4, 2009 11:52 PM
She admits the purpose of this is to "scare" legislators. There's a word for this - it's called "intimidation", and it has no legitimate place in a democratic process.
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TheRealFish
November 5, 2009 7:53 AM in reply to Redwood Rhiadra
Actually, there is another name for intimidation through fear tactics: Terrorism.
Ah, but if only it were a "last stand." But, then, these folks are terrorists. And, we presume, they are not coming armed "this time" (speaking to the infamous Tea-Bagger's sign of promised future action).
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AJM
November 5, 2009 10:01 AM in reply to Redwood Rhiadra
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
As long as they keep it peaceful they are well within their rights but if it is not they should be arrested swiftly.
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TJ1
November 4, 2009 11:53 PM
"There's no organization here," she told the callers. "It's a total organic act."
In other words - a mob.
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TJ1
November 4, 2009 11:54 PM
"There's no organization here," she told the callers. "It's a total organic act."
In other words - a mob.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 7:36 AM in reply to TJ1
That's exactly right. It is a "sent" mob as in, bussed in by funding agents who won't identify them themselves, as in "they sent a mob in" It's not a mob that merely formed itself in other words. But it is exactly a mob, yes.
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pol
November 5, 2009 12:03 AM
Before they go in, they have to go through magnetometers... How long will that take?
Sealed envelopes will be confiscated, as well.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 7:41 AM in reply to pol
They'll freely be allowed video cameras, as she urged?
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Matt Jones
November 5, 2009 12:03 AM
Quick, somebody get a batch of old SS pins - I bet you could get at least a couple hundred sold by claiming they stood for "Stop Socialism" before one of the teabagger/brownshirts figured out what was going on...
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mmanion
November 5, 2009 12:04 AM
She is the epitome of an anti-American: Shameful, stupid, disrespectful and dangerous. I suspect she has something really incredibly idiotic planned to generate even more attention for herself (kind of a strange approach for a supposed Christian), which is why her chief of staff decided to hightail it out of there a day before her big spectacle. Still think she should be indicted as a co-conspirator in the murder of the census worker in Kentucky (which got incredibly little media attention for some reason) after her blathering about the census.
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johnbwarner
November 5, 2009 12:17 AM in reply to mmanion
I suspect you're right about idiotic event to draw more bogus attention and that's reason chief of staff resigned. Timing is too delicious. Let's see what happens tomorrow. I for one would like to see everyone finally ignore this know-nothing.
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EH
November 5, 2009 12:08 AM
of course, by this time tomorrow night her "last stand" will have morphed into "a good start."
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jeffgee
November 5, 2009 12:08 AM
And, when the protests are over, they're all going to slash their wrists. Shelly said they should. For Freedom.
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lousgirl84
November 5, 2009 9:50 AM in reply to jeffgee
One can only hope!!
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Waltz
November 5, 2009 12:16 AM
"Security cameras"?
"Nothing scares a member of Congress more than a freedom-loving American,"
That includes Bachman I presume.
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slb
November 5, 2009 1:39 AM in reply to Waltz
Yeah, I wondered about that "security cameras" bit, myself. What, they're supposed to rip them off the sides of their houses, or something? And notice that she's assuming this is something that your average American would certainly have at the ready.
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BeeClone
November 5, 2009 2:40 AM in reply to slb
I think she meant just regular cameras but she is a little slow.
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Aatos
November 5, 2009 12:24 AM
So vacate the building, hand out lots of bottled water, lock all the rest rooms and let the tea baggers make fools of themselves for as long as their bladders allow. Then, pass a meaningfull health reform bill with a strong public option next Monday.
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Bob in AZ
November 5, 2009 12:29 AM
Wait a minute . . . she said: "There's no organization here," and "It's a total organic act" during a CONFERENCE CALL with ORGANIZERS?! How very . . . Bachmannic.
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midnight rambler
November 5, 2009 12:45 AM in reply to Bob in AZ
I think "Bachmaniacal" is a better word.
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slb
November 5, 2009 1:41 AM in reply to Bob in AZ
There you go again, expecting these guys to be consistent with themselves...
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oblio
November 5, 2009 12:46 AM
i expect this to be covered all day on cable news tomorrow morning and afternoon. The Republican party policy platform nowadays seems to be to "be on live cable tv, every second of the day."
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mark
November 5, 2009 1:13 AM
PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Invite (with a very loud voice) Speaker Pelosi to take off her shoes and wiggle her toes in the dirt that binds these grass roots.
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balzar
November 5, 2009 3:05 AM
Gee, this one is a real barrel of laughs isnt she, you mean people actually elected this woman?
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 7:45 AM in reply to balzar
I read an article about her supporters, a bare majority still. What did the one guy say?
Oh I remember! People in the district appreciate "straight talk!" No kidding, that was the supposed appeal.
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Minnesota Raindog
November 5, 2009 11:12 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Bachmann has never been elected to Congress with even a "bare majority." She received less than 50% of the vote in both elections.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 12:19 PM in reply to Minnesota Raindog
Okay, got it. I am not being clever with you, just discussing: would you say that she is the marginally-favored psychotic -- OH Sorry!! I mean *candidate,* in the district? That's been my understanding. With her straight talk and all.
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Delores
November 5, 2009 4:45 AM
Is any group planning to show up at Bachmann's office to "tea Party" her? Armed with "security cameras"? Give this crazy loon a taste of her own medicine.
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rjsciolino
November 5, 2009 5:07 AM
Yes, of course, we must ridicule this woman and decry those "whacky screamers" who would have the gall to deny us complete dependency on mommy and daddy in Washington, DC. Don't these idiots know that we are all child-like victims in need of being ruled? Don't they get it that we need to be told what "options" we should have for medical care? Don't they realize the huge money tree that is planted right behind the U.S. Capitol free for the picking, that will allow us free medical care and oh, so many choices of which doctor we want, which coverage we choose, instant access to the most technologically advanced medical treatments...all for free!!! What "mind-numbed" robots. They have no clue that Washington, D.C. has a proven track record for fixing major problems so that they go away forever! Just look at the "War on Poverty" declared in 1964! 10 trillion dollars spent and now there is no poverty! Look at the success of Social Security, swimming in money and total security for generations, and how about Medicare, what a giant success. Bachmann and her robots have no clue. Reading these comments tells me so much about the intellect of those who stand by our beloved government. All hail Obama, ruler of the "working families".
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dickday
November 5, 2009 7:22 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Why of course we do. And we must do the 'right thing'.
forty five thousand dead every year as we put our heads in the sand.
READY AIM FIRE.
That is what I say.
it is kind of like letting the population kind of equalize. KILLTHEM THAT IS WHAT I SAY.
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. THAT IS WHAT I SAY.
Hell, what did those forty five thousand accomplish? What have they added to society.
LET THEM DIE NOW.
READY, AIM FIRE. THAT IS WHAT I SAY!!!
ALL THESE GODDAMNABLE PUSSIES OUT THERE. MY GOD PALIN HAS IT RIGHT. HELL, SHOOT THEM BEFORE THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL.
WE CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY ASK FOR HELP AND THEN SHOOT THEM DOWN AND ....WELL WE HAVE TO BURN THEM INTO ASHES. I MEAN WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BURY THEM.
There are natural ways to thin this population.
PALIN FOR DICTATOR IS WHAT I SAY. KILL ALL THE UNWHOLESOME PEEPS THAT IS WHAT I SAY.
But let us just do it outright. No pretense or such. KILL THEM ALL THAT IS WHAT I SAY.
HA
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TheraP
November 5, 2009 8:14 AM in reply to dickday
I thought something similar, dd. They pretend they want to "kill" a bill. But really it kills people if you deny them health care!
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dickday
November 5, 2009 8:16 AM in reply to TheraP
Hello sweetheart. Somebody reads my drivel? hahahahaha
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 5, 2009 7:43 AM in reply to rjsciolino
So, instead of mocking you, how about I point out that absolutely none of the stuff you profess to be afraid of is in either the House or the Senate bill?
You're horribly afraid of stuff that doesn't exist. Like five year olds. Don't you think maybe that's at least good an explanation for the the dismissive way you get treated as this big evil conspiracy you think exists?
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gpleigh
November 5, 2009 8:07 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Why would you be so afraid of choice in a democracy? And by the way, Medicare is not free. You must pay into it as an employee to qualify and then there are premiums if you're eligible. The public option will also not be free. There will be premiums to pay if you're eligible. Nobody's talking about free medical care. Fear-mongering and lies aren't a worthy substitute for debate.
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Clavis
November 5, 2009 8:13 AM in reply to rjsciolino
"Oh, let's mock those teabaggers! Just like I'm mocking you! Only when you mock people, it's bad, but when I mock you, it's good... somehow..."
We get it, dude, you show up already pre-victimated. You're the victim, poor, oppressed right-winger, all Dems and libs are such villains, always oppressing you and trying to take away your freedoms... obviously, Michelle Bachmann is an American hero, the way she accuses people like me of wanting to create "death panels" and "wanting to destroy America". She's very reasonable, the way she depicts Democrats as minutes away from turning America into Cuba. She's deserving of nothing but respect, the way she depicts Obama as a maniac socialist terrorist out to rape and abort.
You're right, we should be speaking only respectfully and kindly about a woman who either knowingly lies about her opponents or is so insane that she believes the verbal human waste that drips from her lips.
Accusing your fellow Americans of treason and making up nightmare stories abut them for the purposes of ginning up political support is EVIL. Got it? EVIL. It promotes violence and spreads falsehoods. Of course, we already know that people like Bachmann and you don't care about stuff like that... but some of us still do.
So take your little act and buzz off. Nobody here buys into your victimhood game. Your type are ruthless hypertribalists who say whatever serves your political purposes. Blow.
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lousgirl84
November 5, 2009 9:49 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Lost maybe???
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rjsciolino
November 5, 2009 5:36 AM
The most likely response to my above comment:
"...oh I get it, you're mocking us, you...you....teabagger you! You...you...Foxnewser! Go back to your Rush Limpballs and Hannity you...you...loser. Don't you know we don't debate facts here, we name call and diminish! How dare you even mention facts! I hope you wacko's are right about "net neutrality" so we can stop hearing your...your....ridicule of this great man and our great government! Get off this blog....this is an echo chamber and we don't want to hear anything except name-calling and ridicule. Go bag some tea or something".
Thanks for the entertainment, love all the meaningful debate on this oh so intellectual blog.
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dickday
November 5, 2009 7:31 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Grandpa died last week.
And now he's buried in the rocks.
And everybody still talks about
How badly they were shocked.
But me I expected it to happen
I knew he lost control
When he built a fire on Main Street
And shot it full of holes.
Oh Mama
Can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis Blues again!!!!
ha
Fuck the old people's homes.
Hey when they can no longer produce
Send them to heaven with the proper rites.
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Clavis
November 5, 2009 8:15 AM in reply to rjsciolino
You want intelligent debate? Why would we engage in inteligent debate with you? You showed up acting like a dick, accusing us of crap and misrepresenting our position and our motivations. Why would anybody respond with courteous open-ended conversation-starters? You're a dick. Nobody wants to debate a dick; they just want him to leave. You're not welcome here if all you're going to do is be a dick.
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thomas1
November 5, 2009 9:14 AM in reply to rjsciolino
you can't have an intellectual debate with a moran
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kernel
November 5, 2009 3:06 PM in reply to thomas1
Why can't morons learn to spell "moron?" Or were you being ironic? If so, never mind.
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The Old Grouch
November 5, 2009 9:23 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Facts? You would not recognize a fact if it bit your sorry ass.
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AJM
November 5, 2009 9:51 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Before Bush II, American prosperity had always risen. He had money to burn on a phony war that could have been put to better use shoring up Social Security and Medicare. Yes, there will be fewer workers to support each person on Social Security in the future but each worker will have more resources from which to support the retirees and still have a higher standard of living than the prior generation. Both of these have provided decades of security and can do so in the future.
Has it ever occurred to you that the cost of Medicare is probably a great deal higher than it need be because of the lack of health care for the uninsured? That they reach Medicare with unnecessarily severe medical problems?
We know that government services cost. We are willing to pay the taxes which allow us to buy the services that the private sector does a bad job of providing -- like health insurance. I'm tired of paying a hidden tax in my health insurance payments for the health care -- highly priced in the emergency room -- for some fool who didn't buy health insurance. I'd rather have him taxed to pay his own costs. Further, when I pay that amount through my health insurance premiums, a good bit gets skimmed by the health insurance executives who have decided that they are more entitled to that money than either those they ensure or their stockholders.
It is the right wing that thinks government services grows on trees. That if they strip out government 'waste' -- aka known as all government spending that is not given to a defense company -- that only government services will remain. You would be in for a shock if all government workers including the legislators charged what they could get in the private market.
Talk to a senior. You will find that their government provided health care allows them a wide choice of doctors. Talk to some purchasers of private health insurance -- you will find that a lot of them have their choice of doctors restricted.
As to the War on Poverty -- it greatly reduced neo-natal mortality and greatly increased educational levels and decreased inequality between the races. We're still behind much of the rest of the world on neo-natal mortality so there is still work to do -- it's called health insurance reform.
You have a simplistic mind which causes you to view everything in the country behind the narrow blinders of worshiping an idol called the free market which has failed you repeatedly. If you can't apply that label to it you declare that it has failed in defiance of the facts.
And, oh, there is one 'true fact' that you presented -- we are ridiculing Michelle Bachman -- because she is ridiculous. As was pointed out to you before -- how can you take seriously a woman who in the process of organizing a demonstration claims to those that she is working with that it is not organized? With corporately subsidized buses?
Most people won''t bother to argue with you because you are so absurd and believe that your diatribe was factual instead of your own self-generated nightmare.
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lousgirl84
November 5, 2009 9:53 AM in reply to rjsciolino
Get lost. You have nothing important to say.
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seashell
November 5, 2009 5:37 AM
If I was a member of Congress, I'd be organizing dental visits for the suddenly aching teeth, doctor visits for the long put-off check ups, personal time to pick up the dry-cleaning, and any other long procrastinated chores that suddenly take on urgency.
Let the 'security' cameras film the empty hallways while the baggers explain their opposition to the portraits hanging on walls. And let Bachmann explain why she didn't know members wouldn't be there tomorrow...cuz she had no chief of staff to warn her.
Maybe leave Alan Grayson in the hallway to greet the baggers and explain the facts to them. It's the polite thing to do.
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BlindBat
November 5, 2009 6:13 AM
And look at all those fire houses, and we still have fires. All those police, and we still have crime.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 7:58 AM in reply to BlindBat
That's right. And the commenter's solution must logically be, since we have fires still and crime still, these government solutions have obviously failed so let's end those programs. No bad government-run police or firemen, so that when brigands break into our homes and rape our loved ones, beat us, steal our goods, and set our dwellings aflame, at least we won't go crying about how government is the solution.
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tchamp77
November 5, 2009 7:17 AM
Last Stand??? Isn't that associatated most with General Custer? Why not call the next one the Anti-Healthcare Alamo?
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Beagle
November 5, 2009 7:44 AM
What is truly sad is the gullible protesters who come to protest against their OWN INTEREST. I seriously doubt that all the protesters have any type of healthcare much less a quality one.
Besides, this is a plan supported by the majority and few protesters are not going stop the moving train. In fact, this protest might accelerate the move.
It's a rat race!
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TheraP
November 5, 2009 8:17 AM in reply to Beagle
They're probably unemployed folks... bussed in and paid for the day.
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Adrian Browne
November 5, 2009 7:45 AM
She's bringing the Swastika-Wielding Town Hall Screamers to the Capitol.
yaaaaawn
And "Last" stand? -- she's giving up after this? Perhaps hara kiri on the steps . . . please Michele?
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gdunn45
November 5, 2009 8:00 AM
I find this quite hilarious, yet disturbing at the same time. What is the difference between the Brooks Brothers riot that stole the 2000 election and Bachmann via "Freedom Works" busing in lunatics to harass and intimidate Democrats who support or may support this Health Care bill?
Is this "organized stalking?"
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TheraP
November 5, 2009 8:15 AM in reply to gdunn45
The difference? Advertising it beforehand!
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 8:20 AM
She'll be getting paid for this act literally of rabble-rousing.
Strategic campaign "contributions" will be made by Americans for this and that. A fee for services in reality.
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Plotius
November 5, 2009 8:45 AM
The baggers need to be confronted and BEATEN DOWN.
If not they will get what they want. Push has come to shove people.
If you don't push back hard they will get what they want.
It is time to take the gloves off or they will win.
Just what are you prepared to do to stop them?
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Pete Bilderback
November 5, 2009 9:34 AM
Ha! I have total faith in Nancy Pelosi and her secret police to stop these freedom loving Americans from preventing the tyranny of health care for all.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 10:02 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
The police that Pelosi has some influence over are the United States Capitol Police, who are not secret and not hers, but are public servants, wear crisp white shirts, and serve the Senate as well.
So why would say "her secret police?"
The temptation to advertise your ignorance was overpowering?
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Pete Bilderback
November 5, 2009 10:38 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I have a late night infomercial running on cable TV to advertise my ignorance, so I have no need to do it here. I was attempting a little humor in the post above, but I guess I wasn't obvious enough about it.
For the record I would like to state that I do not believe Nancy Pelosi has a secret police force, nor do I believe health care for all = tyranny.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 10:43 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
Hey, I'm sorry.
My bad.
We get a lotta wingnut chaff here and I should have looked better before I leaped. I'll be on the lookout for your late-night commercial, though! Again, apologies.
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Pete Bilderback
November 5, 2009 10:57 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
No apology necessary! There are enough genuinely stupid people posting here that it can be tough to spot the ones who are only pretending to be stupid. I try to be obvious about it, but some of these folks are pretty tough to outdo.
Anyway, I'm very proud of the infomercial. It stars former CNN reporter Bella Shaw and is called "Pete Bilderback Is An Ignorant Idiot." I think it's really helped get the word out.
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 11:00 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
Well said on the "outdo" part, ha-hah!
Thanks for understanding! I'll definitely be looking out for that infomercial!
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Overreach THIS!
November 5, 2009 9:57 AM
Next week, I want the tea-baggers to go the Congress Member's school children's schools and hector their children in classes, preferably railing about the final solution and Pol Pot.
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Jorge
November 5, 2009 10:04 AM
"And "Last" stand? -- she's giving up after this? Perhaps hara kiri on the steps . . . please Michele?"
This is my thought; Are they leaving when this fails, if it's their "last stand?"
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JEP07
November 5, 2009 10:10 AM in reply to Jorge
Sounds like she's setting up her re-election mantra "I tried to fix this mess..." and after this event flails, regardless of media hype, she can get on with electioneering.
Campaign mode is kicking in. We are one year away from the next big test of their ability to fool some of the people all of the time..
The season of lies is already upon us, and the worst of the liars are busy preparing their oh-so-crooked pathways.
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JEP07
November 5, 2009 10:05 AM
This "rabble" will get the kind of media attention that magnifies it immensely. Imagine if as many people showed up for something like this, as did for the Republican convention in 2004...
That half-million person event was not covered by the same media that will inflate this event to match their needs.
Why would the media cover this little mob of pseudo-angry astroturfers, and not a horde of sincere, peaceful protesters?
Because the media is a tool of big money, and pharma ads are now their primary bread-and-butter. Especially with the auto-ad market drying up.
The media need health care industry money like a wino needs Mad Dog. Expect them to try to move the fulcrum on the HC debate, rather than weigh and balance the issue fairly.
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Minnesota Raindog
November 5, 2009 10:22 AM
Funny thing is, at Bachmann's one and only town hall meeting she's held in her district since taking office three years ago, the majority of attendees supported health care reform. What part of being in the minority does Bachmann not understand? What part of losing an election does Bachmann not understand? Hopefully, she'll find out on a more personal level in 2010 when Tarryl Clark takes her out.
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Odel Roo
November 5, 2009 11:15 AM
"Before Bush II, American prosperity had always risen."
Really? So what was the great depression? um... how about the carter years - Oh and don't forget TODAY under Obama
He had money to burn on a phony war that could have been put to better use shoring up Social Security and Medicare.
Bush Bush Bush... blah blah blah... getting sooo very old. Rememeber that there have been quite a few Presidents since the enactment of SS and Medicare. So all should take a hand in not getting it under control. Remember the SS "Lock Box" LOL
"Yes, there will be fewer workers to support each person on Social Security in the future but each worker will have more resources from which to support the retirees and still have a higher standard of living than the prior generation. Both of these have provided decades of security and can do so in the future."
I guess you are correct if you look at the future as being the next Decade.
"Has it ever occurred to you that the cost of Medicare is probably a great deal higher than it need be because of the lack of health care for the uninsured?"
Has it ever occurred to you that the high cost of Healthcare IS Medicare?
We are willing to pay the taxes which allow us to buy the services that the private sector does a bad job of providing -- like health insurance.
That is wonderful I think one of the main sticking points is that we are not willing participants. We will be forced to buy a product! By CBO's own report this is unprecedented in our countries history and by some wholly unconstitutional.
You can argue that this may be the time for the change. I say - OK, then do it properly and Change the Constitution and put it to the separate states via referendum. That's kinda how are gov is set up to work.
"It is the right wing that thinks government services grows on trees." No I would say both parties are EQUALLY GUILTY.
That if they strip out government 'waste' -- aka known as all government spending that is not given to a defense company -- that only government services will remain. You would be in for a shock if all government workers including the legislators charged what they could get in the private market.
What exactly does this mean? They already make more than the private sector.
Talk to a senior. You will find that their government provided health care allows them a wide choice of doctors. Talk to some purchasers of private health insurance -- you will find that a lot of them have their choice of doctors restricted.
Ohhh... you mean the HMO's? Ya... Um didn't Kennedy write that in 73... ya sure did -- and Congress (both parties) kept pushing Managed care, even subsidizing them. In fact pushing Medicare, and active and retired military into these.
You have a simplistic mind which causes you to view everything in the country behind the narrow blinders of worshiping an idol called "the free market which has failed you repeatedly"
Seriously? So this is all a private sector fuck-up huh... and congress has no dirty fingers in this fiasco? Kindo like they had nothing to do with the sub-prime cluster fuck... I suppose they can do no wrong in your eyes. And you talk about blinders. So what is your solution?
Me... I don't have a problem with reducing my 9K per year cost for insurance. My issue is how about focusing on what we have first. Fixing are current programs that are broken... I mean seriously, if it was so easy to save 250B buy cutting waste fraud and abuse, why wasn't it done yesterday? I'm all for helping out those that can't afford insurance - I think all the 50 stats have programs already in place.
Seems alot of pot calling the kettle black going on.
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jenesq
November 5, 2009 11:40 AM
I think someone should send Al Franken down from the Senate to have a chitchat with the teabaggers. He did such a good job talking to those teabaggers at the MN State Fair...he was more respectful than I could have managed, made sense, found better ways of articulating points than most pro-reformers have. Maybe his background in comedy helped him deal with crazies, but whatever the reason, he should be the point man on health care reform. He knows his stuff and is not hesitant to confront the lunatic fringe with Minnesota Nice.
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Beagle
November 5, 2009 12:07 PM
Man...this short sightedness scary and dangerous. Should something crazy happen, the puppet masters will certainly not take any responsibility.
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mutt
November 5, 2009 12:15 PM
They aren't joining a mob!, No, No- they are climbing on the bandwagon!
Pass the popcorn- this will be fun to watch......
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franzi
November 5, 2009 12:55 PM
Oh, GAWD, PLEASE let them keep their PROMISE that this is the LAST STAND of their stupid!
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mgardener
November 5, 2009 1:11 PM
Who in all honesty could follow Ms. Bachman? She looks, talks, sounds and acts crazy.
These people are lucky Obama is President.
What chance do you think the National Guard would have been called up, if the same number of Liberal or anti war protesters showed up at Congress, with the same instructions during the bush years?
Cheney would have had a fit and Fox would have been screaming about the anti Americans.
WHat these people do not understand, is that improved health care for all will make psychiatric care affordable to them!
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Jacksonian
November 5, 2009 4:54 PM
Do these people ever think before they open their mouths?
First, they call themselves "teabaggers." Hint: This itself has more than a little to do with open mouths.
Now, they're taking a "last stand."
Maybe they should ask George Custer how that worked out for him.
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ScapeGoat
November 5, 2009 9:11 PM
Will someone stuff a sock in her mouth!
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gjoh
November 6, 2009 11:30 AM
First we had Fox’s Teabaggers now we have Bachman’s Guy-Fawkers. Can these people get a clue?
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