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Poll: Majority Of Republicans Think Obama Didn't Actually Win 2008 Election -- ACORN Stole It!
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The new national poll from Public Policy Polling (D) has an astonishing number about paranoia among the GOP base: Republicans do not think President Obama actually won the 2008 election -- instead, ACORN stole it.
This number goes a long way towards explaining the anger of the Tea Party crowd. They not only think Obama's agenda is against America, but they don't think he was actually the choice of the American people at all! Interestingly, NY-23 Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman is now accusing ACORN of stealing his race, and Fox News personalities have often speculated about ACORN stealing the 2008 Minnesota Senate race for Al Franken.
The poll asked this question: "Do you think that Barack Obama legitimately won the Presidential election last year, or do you think that ACORN stole it for him?" The overall top-line is legitimately won 62%, ACORN stole it 26%.
Among Republicans, however, only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% -- an outright majority -- saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided. Among McCain voters, the breakdown is 31%-49%-20%. By comparison, independents weigh in at 72%-18%-10%, and Democrats are 86%-9%-4%.
Now, the obvious comparison would be that many Democrats felt that George W. Bush didn't legitimately win the 2000 election. But there are some clear differences.
First of all, Al Gore empirically won the national popular vote in 2000, and lost in a disputed recount process in Florida. By comparison, John McCain lost the national popular vote by a 53%-46% margin.
In order to believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes, Obama's national margin.
PPP communications director Tom Jensen says: "Belief in the ACORN conspiracy theory is even higher among GOP partisans than the birther one, which only 42% of Republicans expressed agreement with on our national survey in September."
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Moose49
November 19, 2009 12:31 PM
Jeebus -- this is mass insanity. How does a country function when a significant number of people are completely and utterly disconnected from reality?
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mc mark
November 19, 2009 12:39 PM in reply to Moose49
I blame the America Idolization of America.
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Moloko+
November 19, 2009 12:59 PM in reply to Moose49
This is really not fair since so few people actually identify themselves as Republicans anymore. Nothing but the crazies are left!!!
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jenzinoh
November 19, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to Moloko+
I guess, but given the crazies already started out pretty stupid, how is that they seem to get dumber every day?
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DownriverDem
November 19, 2009 1:04 PM in reply to Moloko+
Fair? The GOP doesn't know what the word means.
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rwc
November 19, 2009 3:29 PM in reply to DownriverDem
And the difference between these people and das Volk of 1930s Germany is what exactly?
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Moose49
November 19, 2009 4:32 PM in reply to rwc
The other relevant point in this historical comparison is that Hitler never got a majority -- he was able to gain power and then consolidate it because his opposition was ineffectual, something Senate Democrats seem to be trying to emulate.
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Hobartcat
November 19, 2009 8:32 PM in reply to Moose49
Wait, how many actually identify as Republican? Isn't that number somewhere around 30%?
What are we really talking about here?
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:03 AM in reply to Hobartcat
Actually, it's closer to 20 percent. I suspect a polling of Republicans includes a sample size of about three.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 9:00 AM in reply to Moloko+
Here's evdience for that craziness:
"NY-23 Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman is now accusing ACORN of stealing his race, . . . ."
Bullshit: if he'd look into a mirror, he'd see that he's still white.
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Peter Principle
November 19, 2009 1:13 PM in reply to Moose49
Well, we spent the past 8 years finding out that it doesnt.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 19, 2009 2:09 PM in reply to Peter Principle
And, by the most amazing coincidence, the same percentage thought they were doing a dandy job right up to the bitter end think S.P.E.C.T.R.E. stole the election for Obama.
Oops, sorry. I mean ACORN, of course. Not that there's a difference.
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anelder
November 19, 2009 8:14 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Gotcha - someone who seems to know what he's talking about. So tell me just what is it that ACORN does? And how did they manage to so whatever they do that managed to falsify 9 million votes for Obama? If I could see the logic to this I would join your gang. I'd also hire all their people so they could do this again for my cause.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:21 AM in reply to anelder
Acorn is a network of community organizers that encourages and enables low-income individuals to register to vote and vote. According to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, that makes ACORN a Neo-Nazi, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, predominately NON-WHITE (YIKES!) organization, especially suspect and evil because Obama once worked as a community organizer (DOUBLE YIKES!!!)
The objective media icons such as Rush, Glen, and the rest of the Fox News gang (Family?), allied as they are with the sleaziest of Republican fear mongers (e.g., Roger Ailes and Karl Rove), and the greediest of corporate America, really, really hate for low-income citizens to vote, because such citizens just so rarely act against their self interests and vote Republican. Thus Fox News, and all its white, racist, Bubba, hate-filled viewers and allies hate Acorn.
P.S. I'm a WASP.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 9:02 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I knew someone would shoe-horn that in . . .
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Observerinvancouver
November 19, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to Moose49
The rest of the world would really like an answer to that question.
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Soulipsis
November 19, 2009 2:18 PM in reply to Moose49
ACORN is involved in campaigning and voter support. Do they have any access to election infrastucture? Do their members sit on Boards of Election?
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to Soulipsis
No, and no. But they're so magically powerful, they can steal elections anyway! @@
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AJM
November 19, 2009 7:31 PM in reply to jenesq
The really telling point is the number of polls that ACORN has been able to steal since the election!
ROFLMAO!
Sigh, wiping eyes -- well, we KNEW the Rethuglicans were reality challenged!
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:26 AM in reply to AJM
The amusing thing is how their conspiracy theories grow increasingly absurd. I expect that within a couple of months they'll be blaming Col. Mustard in the Study with the Candlestick.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:17 PM in reply to RKT
See, ACORN is black, and they do their dirty work at night, so no one can see anything they're doing.
. . .
What was that Beatles lyric? --
"Mean Mister Mustard sleeps in a chair/
trying to save paper!
"Nothing is Beatle proof!" -- John Lennon.
And he and Yoko once buried an --
ACORN!
with the intent that it grow into a mighty oak tree!
Forests are not only dark, they're Democrat(ic)!
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slb
November 19, 2009 8:08 PM in reply to jenesq
Of course!
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AdAbsurdum
November 19, 2009 12:33 PM
It is difficult to blame these poor fools when this is agressively pushed by a network which members of the rest of the mainstream media, people such as Jake Tapper, viciously defend as legitimate.
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MNPundit
November 19, 2009 12:44 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
It's not difficult at all.
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AdAbsurdum
November 19, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to MNPundit
Well, OK. It isn't. Fox does serve what they demand, and with Acorn they serve hysteria over minorities actually having the arrogance of voting. Nevertheless, it is indisputable that the mainstream media do lend legitimacy to the Murdoch propaganda machine, legitimacy without which, Fox and this fantasy worldview would be marginalized, so much of the blame lays in the hands of the mainstream.
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MNPundit
November 19, 2009 8:15 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Well certainly that's true. I blame everyone.
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RichM
November 19, 2009 12:34 PM
Astonishing? What's astonishing is that it is only 52%. Isn't the birther number higher?
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RichM
November 19, 2009 12:36 PM in reply to RichM
RTFP - The birther number is actually lower.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:20 PM in reply to RichM
And 73 per cent of that is represented in Oily Tits.
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condew
November 19, 2009 12:39 PM
I can't believe you get this level of delusion without an organized effort to push the falsehoods. It's more than just Faux News.
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Andreams
November 19, 2009 1:11 PM in reply to condew
Have you ever heard msm or any other media report in detail about the actual problems with ACORN as opposed to the outlandish lies? I haven't. As long as the media just keeps repeating the accusations, it will get worse. In comparison with some repus state committees, ACORN is angelic. ACORN did a wonderful job of enrolling voters and when they did the right thing and identified fraudulent apps, they segregated them and let the elections offices know. Guess that's not an exciting thing to report. They do so many other good things that we never hear about.
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Richardxx
November 19, 2009 1:50 PM in reply to condew
An individual only has a limited amount of time for news gathering each day, so we all select how we are going to choose where we get our news.
My bet is that a lot of it comes from the pulpits of the evangelicals and other religions like the Catholics and Mormons. Many of the mega churches have been organized for years to put out their own spin on political things. Does Tony Perkins still have his regular weekly phone conference with mega-church pastors? He used to.
Combine that with the propaganda the conservatives have been putting out since the Reagan era that the non-conservative news sources are not to be trusted. Combine that with the clear Murdoch propaganda.
All of this is aimed at the right wing individuals with an authoritarian mindset, and you get a large group of people who only read, watch and listen to conservative sources that all work from the same set of talking points each week.
I'm not very surprised that they are getting a lot of misinformation.
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Aslanleon
November 20, 2009 11:52 AM in reply to Richardxx
I was a conservative pastor for thirty years and I never gave or heard a political sermon. However, my liberal friends have heard and given many. The idea that evangelicals and Catholics preach political sermons is contrary to reality. As for Mormons, who knows? If you know of any churches which has supported a candidate or even mentioned one from the pulpit, call the IRS. They are breaking the law and should be reported. Don't be surprised if it is the liberal churches that are the real offenders here.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:29 PM in reply to Aslanleon
What in hell is a "conservative pastor"? The "conservatives" constantly beat up on the poor -- as represented by such as ACORN -- and invariably give tax cuts, tax cuts, and more tax cuts, to those who least need them: the wealthy.
Was Christ a "conservative"? Not if one judges by his words and deeds. By those measures he was a Liberal.
"Conservative pastor" is simply an alternative spelling of the word "hypocrite".
As for your allegations against "liberal" churches: there is a Commandment -- not "Request" or "Suggestion" -- which applies: Thou shalt not lie against others.
Either substantiate that smear or retract it.
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Mike Hickerson
November 19, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to condew
"organized effort to push falsehoods". Hmmm. Does "The Arkansas Project " ring any bells? Think those people volunteered to stop and forgo their subsidized offices and paychecks? Did The Mellon , Scaiffe, Coors and Olin family foundations run out of money?
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:35 AM in reply to condew
The conspiracy theories quite obviously arise from the Republican propaganda machine, driven by Great Deceivers such as Karl Rove and -- dah dah dah -- Roger Ailes. Ailes, of course, runs Fox News. Fox News is a purpose-built, ground-up, right-wing, propaganda delivery mechanism, nothing more and nothing less. It isn't surprising it can drive propaganda without any assist.
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Noam Sane
November 19, 2009 12:40 PM
We are Idiocracy.
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Cool Blue Reason
November 19, 2009 12:44 PM in reply to Noam Sane
Brawndo's got electrolytes.
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The Old Grouch
November 19, 2009 1:47 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
It's what plants crave.
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 5:56 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:33 PM in reply to Odel Roo
Pilot? Or autopilot?
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JohnW1141
November 19, 2009 12:42 PM
The wingnuts have finally found someone else to blame other than Bill Clinton for this morning's burnt toast.
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LindyLou
November 19, 2009 12:48 PM in reply to JohnW1141
I think you are on to something there...it seems it took about 8 years into Bush's (p)residency before they let up a little on blaming everything on Clinton...R's always need a scapegoat. They are all nuts.
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Schmed
November 19, 2009 12:42 PM
Remember, these are the same people who proudly elected and reelected Shrub. If that didn't legitimately call their sanity into question, then nothing else would.
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CN
November 19, 2009 1:16 PM in reply to Schmed
Bingo. And if Shrub had not completely wrecked the economy, the dimwits would have elected McCain.
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OhioMan
November 20, 2009 8:39 AM in reply to Schmed
These are also the people standing in line for hours at bookstores to glimpse their inerrant goddess, Sarah Palin. Fools, all of them.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:41 AM in reply to Schmed
As much as I disdain Republicans, they don't deserve ALL the blame for Shrub. Plenty of Democrats must have voted for him on both occasions. How quickly they forget their sins.
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calbearinillinois
November 19, 2009 12:43 PM
This is the biggest sign of the true psychosis of the core base. The closer comparison to this election isn't how anyone felt after 2000 - where the issue was so close only a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling ended the recount in Florida - but how people viewed the 1992 or 2004 election. Very few people think Bush stole 04 or that Clinton (by conspiring with Perot) stole 92, but those that do are a die hard bunch.
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bracken
November 19, 2009 4:10 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
Define "very few."
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:44 AM in reply to calbearinillinois
Bush didn't steal '04. Daddy paid good money to his Supreme Court cronies so that Junior would have it.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:46 AM in reply to RKT
Whoops. That was '00. You're right, he simply stole '04.
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roxsteady
November 19, 2009 12:47 PM
Are they aware that ACORN doesn't have offices in Upstate NY?
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mans_best_friend
November 19, 2009 1:38 PM in reply to roxsteady
ACORN has telekinetic powers.
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lyleleander
November 19, 2009 1:51 PM in reply to roxsteady
Yeah, but I'm sure people still get BET on tv.
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JEP07
November 19, 2009 9:47 PM in reply to roxsteady
Lets not muddle this up with facts...
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sunnysteve
November 19, 2009 12:49 PM
My wife was a schoolteacher. They had a saying: "You wonder why some kids are the way they are, and then you meet their parents....."
Well, you wonder why Republicans are the way they are? Meet their senators and representatives.
Just who do you think elected Cornyn, Inhofe, Bachmann, ..........?
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twoviragos
November 19, 2009 1:32 PM in reply to sunnysteve
My dad had a similar saying: The asshole doesn't fall far from the tree ;).
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 9:53 AM in reply to twoviragos
You're saying the Republican party is an asshole tree?
"By their fruits ye shall know them!"
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haaz
November 19, 2009 12:49 PM
ACORN stole my lunch in third grade!! I'm telling my mommy!!
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mgmonklewis
November 19, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to haaz
[with a hat tip to Marc Maron and Morning Sedition]
ACORN stole my shoe!
FIRETRUCK!
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roy_flagg00
November 19, 2009 3:15 PM in reply to mgmonklewis
A single tear drops from my eye. My mornings have never been the same.
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cmaukonen
November 19, 2009 12:49 PM
That's right. According to the republican, right wing fringe - if you are NOT a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, you are not really an American and there for ineligible to vote or hold office.
C
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Moloko+
November 19, 2009 1:02 PM in reply to cmaukonen
.......Unless we have to send warm bodies overseas to fight a war. Then we're one big happy family.....
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cmaukonen
November 19, 2009 1:56 PM in reply to Moloko+
That is only recently. For a very long time only "real" Americans could fight over seas. This excluded - blacks, Japanese, Chinese, Hispanics...yes and sometimes even Jewish.
C
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 4:24 PM in reply to cmaukonen
you lie !! blacks were with the army unit known as 'the big red 1', plus in the navy. hispanics were in all units, a japanese unit, i believe the 442nd, was one of the most decorated american units in ww2. the military became segregated under woodrow wilson, which was against blacks. wilson was a democrat, a liberal, and a bigot. do not diminish the minorities sacrifices without knowing what you are talking about. many died so you could spread these lies. truman desegregated the military offically in 1947, but it was in fact done by white generals in WW2. by the way ask some white pilots returning from their bombing runs over germany if they were happy when they saw the 555th [the triple nickle] escort them back to england. god, i hate people who don't know what they are talking about.
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Kuyleh
November 19, 2009 4:40 PM in reply to jjdjjd
There's so much irony in this rant that anyone with one active braincell would choke on it...
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 4:46 PM in reply to Kuyleh
oh you again? you only like lie's if you believe the nitwit i responded to. stay out of it lest i release my wrath on you.
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Kuyleh
November 19, 2009 5:05 PM in reply to jjdjjd
LOL! OMG, please! I'm begging you...Release your "wrath" on me! I need more to laugh at today, and a rightwing nutso threatening to hurt me over the internet fits the bill awesomely.
Also, again, learn English before you attempt to insult someone. It really will make you the slightest bit more credible...
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 7:54 PM in reply to Kuyleh
ur picture says it all gay bar
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Kuyleh
November 19, 2009 8:01 PM in reply to jjdjjd
And your comment shows exactly how little you know about...Well, anything. Look it up on YouTube, retard. It's a song.
Is that all of your wrath? Attempting to annoy me with pathetic English and lame insults? I'm disappointed.
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 8:56 PM in reply to Kuyleh
not that there's anything wrong with it
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Kuyleh
November 20, 2009 12:25 AM in reply to jjdjjd
You're right. There's not. It's a funny song. But keep pretending you have something relevant to say.
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jjdjjd
November 20, 2009 5:40 AM in reply to Kuyleh
looked it up, the song fits you to a 't'
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:38 PM in reply to jjdjjd
The military was integrated by Harry Truman. During WWII there were not only Japanese-American-only units, but also black-only.
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Aslanleon
November 20, 2009 11:57 AM in reply to cmaukonen
A little spin through military history will cure your delusions nicely. Blacks have served in combat positions in every war. To be fair, in WW 1 and 2, they had a limited role because of the liberal Wilson segregating the Army, but in every other one they were represented. As for the rest of the list, they too served in every war. A Pima Indian and a Hispanic were two of the flag raisers on Iwo Jima.
Bad history, pal.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 9:53 AM in reply to cmaukonen
That is not entirely accurate. The wingnuts also believe non-whites are not entitled to food, shelter, or oxygen.
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 1:47 PM in reply to cmaukonen
So, "…if you are NOT a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, you are not really an American and there for ineligible to vote or hold office."
I say that is a White ASP –sort of the snake variety, but in this case the 'P' is silent.
simply a White Ass.
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bluestatedon
November 19, 2009 12:49 PM
It's hardly surprising, considering that the vast majority of Republicans think that Rush and Glenn and Ann and Billo speak the truth. Anybody who thinks that Americans are incapable of falling for the sorts of lies perpetuated by the National Socialists in 1930s Germany isn't paying attention.
GOP: The Party of Ignorant Nuts
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DownriverDem
November 19, 2009 1:01 PM in reply to bluestatedon
These folks aren't just gullible and stupid, they are dangerous too. Many want to take out President Obama. I fear for his life every since he decided to run.
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lousgirl84
November 19, 2009 1:38 PM in reply to DownriverDem
I agree and we need to stand firm behind our president instead of ripping him apart on everything. I agree that keeping pressure on him is good, but not ripping him apart on an issue we don't necessarily agree with him on.
He is IMO doing a fantasic job considering the hand he was dealt. If anyone asks what he's done give them the following list (and I am sure there are more)
Obama accomplishments
Signed on October 28, 2009
Hate Crimes Bill
Signed on October 28, 2009
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010
Signed on October 22, 2009
Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act
#
Signed on August 06, 2009
Cash For Clunkers Extension
#
Signed on June 22, 2009
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
#
Signed on May 22, 2009
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009
#
Signed on May 22, 2009
Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act
#
Signed on May 20, 2009
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act
#
Signed on May 20, 2009
Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act
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Signed on April 21, 2009
Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
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Signed on March 30, 2009
Omnibus Public Lands Management Act
Signed on March 20, 2009
Small Business Act Temporary Extension
Signed on February 17, 2009
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
*
Signed on February 11, 2009
DTV Delay Act
Signed on February 04, 2009
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
*
Signed on January 29, 2009
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Anbd don't forget getting health insurance reform
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 3:03 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Damn straight. Heck, my parents were disgruntled Hillary supporters (who still voted for Obama--they weren't deranged!) and they are now rock-solid behind Obama. They think he is more impressive every day. That's the view from "slightly left of center middle America." Or maybe I should call them "non-wingnut middle America."
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 1:57 PM in reply to jenesq
"That's the view from 'slightly left of center middle America.' Or maybe I should call them 'non-wingnut middle America.'"
I agree with you here a lot.
I say we are the "Un-winged Middle Americans".
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 6:02 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Don't forget the Nobel.
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Aslanleon
November 20, 2009 11:58 AM in reply to Odel Roo
Tell us again what he got it for. I must have forgotten.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:44 PM in reply to Aslanleon
He asked that question as well. Care to try criticizing him without forgetting to remember relevant facts?
He was awarded it for the promise he represents.
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rwc
November 19, 2009 3:24 PM in reply to bluestatedon
That's been my fear for years. I really feel our nation is a lot closer to fascism than most think.
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 5:57 PM in reply to rwc
Nah, I think we just have a disproportionately vocal minority of crazies whose voices are amplified by the echo chamber of the internet. The number of crazy people hasn't changed--only the ability to get their crazy out in front has changed.
Case in point: the FOX poll showing that only 26% of Americans thought Obama's bow in Japan was inappropriate...that's the same lunatic fringe 26% who loved George Bush. Screw them...we give them way too much attention.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 10:00 AM in reply to jenesq
Agreed with a caveat. It is unsettling how increasingly uninformed the general population is. I suspect far too many, even many who consider themselves well-grounded, cast votes on the basis of the last television commercial they saw while heading out the door on the way to the polling booth. The danger there is not so much the right-wing crazies as the shifting balance of power toward corporations and wealthy special interests.
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neesy08
November 19, 2009 12:51 PM
as oppose to the supreme court stealing from al gore? they did not have a problem with that from what i reall. i was told to "get over it!""
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Moloko+
November 19, 2009 1:05 PM in reply to neesy08
The psychology for Republicans is to constantly bitch and scream bloody murder over every single issue. It is meant to desensitize us. I think it is an implementation of the shock doctrine.
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 6:10 PM in reply to Moloko+
I think you can apply that equally to both parties.
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hollywood
November 19, 2009 7:44 PM in reply to Odel Roo
Bullshit. I get so tired of that stupid equivalency argument. You sound like Palin arguing that FACT CHECKING is the same as attacking and smearing. Ideology and Faith do not trump FACTS. You can believe what you want but that does not make you correct. FACTS make you correct. Lies and bullshit make you a liar and a bullshitter.
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 9:29 PM in reply to hollywood
Really??? Are you that f'g blind you can't accept the fact that both parties play the same f'ing games??? really?
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OhioMan
November 20, 2009 8:43 AM in reply to Odel Roo
Oh come on. republicans lie, cheat and steal MUCH more than Democrats. Anyone with eyes can see that.
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Odel Roo
November 20, 2009 8:58 AM in reply to OhioMan
I could really give a rats ass as to who you may beleive is worse... that fact that they are both f'g us over for either their own egos or that of their party is shared trait of both parties and rampant.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:48 PM in reply to Odel Roo
Thank you for not voting.
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CMiner
November 19, 2009 12:53 PM
They think this because that's what they'd do -- steal the election. Oh wait . . . they did.
In their minds, no one wins honestly and politics is always dirty. That's how they operate.
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DownriverDem
November 19, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to CMiner
In their minds you have to be white and a religious nut cake.
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rwc
November 19, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to CMiner
the rightwingers always project their own plots and paranoia onto whomever opposes them.
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JNagarya
November 20, 2009 4:56 PM in reply to rwc
It's their justification for doing it themselves.
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arugulachomper
November 19, 2009 12:53 PM
Isn't this the majority that thought Obama either DEFINITELY was or MIGHT BE the Anti-Christ?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/new-jersey-poll-birthers-truthers-and-the-anti-christ----oh-my.php
I think the real reason we're seeing polls shake out like this is that fewer and fewer people are self-identifying as Republicans. Palin and Company have chased all but the most stalwart nutjobs out of the GOP with their various teabagging hijinks, and as the GOP continues to embrace the crazy, people are defecting in droves - either going to the Democrats or (more likely) identifying themselves as independents instead.
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Schmed
November 19, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to arugulachomper
Yup. Party purity = purely crazy.
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pppwww
November 19, 2009 12:55 PM
just a refresher on the numbers: obama had 9.5 million more votes, 7 more percentage points, and 192 more electoral votes than mccain.
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lyleleander
November 19, 2009 1:34 PM in reply to pppwww
Yeah, but in their minds, Acorn didn't just manipulate ALL blacks to vote for Obama (which was a given in the first place), but that they crossed ranks and hypnotized/induced/manipulated whites to vote for him too.
Who knows how they did it, voodoo, bribery, threats of violence, vote-maching rigging, etc...
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 6:12 PM in reply to lyleleander
I KNEW IT!!!
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 10:44 AM in reply to Odel Roo
Does ACORN own Diebold shares?
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 9:18 AM in reply to lyleleander
ACORN also counted the votes nationally, and had a majority of undergraduates in the Electoral College. It's that damned affirmative action again!
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Winston Smith
November 19, 2009 12:58 PM
No doubt. I also believe that ACORN was behind manipulating the GOP into nominating one of the stupidest people in politics for the party's presidential candidate and then pairing him with a laughable, empty-headed, completely uninformed, provincial, bigoted ideologue as VP candidate. Wow. ACORN has executed a far-reaching plot. Bravo.
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mcrose68
November 19, 2009 12:59 PM
It's not so much insanity as wishful thinking.
The people who make up the current GOP base wish they lived in a different world. And the easiest way for people to remain at peace when they are so conflicted is to talk like they live in a different world.
In his heart of hearts Gov Sanford knows he wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail, and Larry Craig knows he likes sex with dudes so much that he's willing to do it with annonymous men in bathrooms. But denying the objective truth is their own little protest against the reality which they wish wasn't true.
People do it all the time :
I wasn't speeding, the cop lied.
I didn't eat the ice cream.
Someone didn't bring a map.
I think the best thing to do when you hear people say this kind of thing is pat them on they head, and say "there there. it'll be alright."
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Schmed
November 19, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to mcrose68
Your approach disregards the fact that a lot of these people are heavily armed. I don't relish patting them on the head when they're in one of their moods....
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mcrose68
November 25, 2009 1:44 PM in reply to Schmed
I never claimed to have the best judgement.
Thanks for the reminder.
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traitorjoe
November 19, 2009 12:59 PM
The Republicans blaming on their problems on African-Americans and Acorn is like the Nazis blaming all their problems on the Jews.
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Peter Principle
November 19, 2009 12:59 PM
It's not cool being trapped in the same country with 20 or 30 million cult members.
Just ask the Germans. (the non-crazy ones, I mean)
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lousgirl84
November 19, 2009 1:34 PM in reply to Peter Principle
I am definitely getting tired of sharing the planet with these folks. Europeans must be shaking their heads.
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hollywood
November 19, 2009 7:50 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I agree. After we reelected Bush I think the whole world gets how many stupid fucks live in America. Now after our half-assed healthcare "debate" I think we look like the biggest bunch of morons ever. We can spend trillions of dollars on tax cuts for rich people and stupid wars but cannot imagine how we will pay for simple lifesaving healthcare. As a country we are complete ass-backward idiots.
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OhioMan
November 20, 2009 8:49 AM in reply to hollywood
I am so embarrassed for my country that we would not just harbor these disturbed, ignorant, angry fools, not just give them a megaplatform on cable TV to spew their foul bile, but actually ELECT some of the very worst of them to positions of leadership!
People in other countries must hear the words of Palin, Foxx, Bachmann, Beck, and the rest of the asinine right-wing lunatic fringe and think "What on earth is wrong with Americans?" I hope our overseas friends realize that most of us here are still sane and that we look at these people with the same disgust and bewilderment that they do.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 9:35 AM in reply to OhioMan
Don't we wish fer'ners even mattered to the wingnuts...
Even their fellow countrymen are considered outsiders in their ethnically encapsulated prejudices.
Early childhood education, to counter that KKK uncle's drunken epithets, is the only answer.
After about 5 years old, if they don't get any alternative attitudes from adults around them, children become carbon copies of the loudest ignoramuses surrounding them.
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RKT
November 20, 2009 10:04 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Europeans threw in the towel on the U.S. when Bush was reelected.
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SP
November 19, 2009 1:00 PM
Well, their formulation is ACORN = blacks, black people voted overwhelmingly for Obama, therefore ACORN stole the election. As we've heard in several formulations (ie, "If you leave out minority votes...," "Among white voters...") if you're not white your vote doesn't really count.
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eve cairo
November 19, 2009 1:00 PM
Actually the conclusion and what the poll asks are two different things. They were asked specifically if they thought ACORN stole it so being suggestible histrionic types they said yes. If the question had asked if they thought men from Pluto helped him steal it they would have said yes to that too. This is a really unbalanced group. So the conclusion that they thought ACORN stole it doesn't bear up. They will answer to anything anyone poses to them that's insane.
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commie atheist
November 19, 2009 1:05 PM in reply to eve cairo
Q: Is Obama a black muslim socialist Kenyan who is bent on destroying America?
Yes: 52%
No: 30%
Not Sure: 18%
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mans_best_friend
November 19, 2009 1:18 PM in reply to commie atheist
I'm not sure which puzzles me more, the ones who answer Yes or the ones who aren't sure.
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commie atheist
November 19, 2009 2:03 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
The "not sures" are keeping an open mind.
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cheesenstein
November 19, 2009 1:01 PM
I think this says more about the whackadoodle nature of who's left in the GOP than it does about the majority of non-Democratic folks.
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arugulachomper
November 19, 2009 1:04 PM in reply to cheesenstein
Agreed. And stealing the word "whackadoodle".
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Schmed
November 19, 2009 1:14 PM in reply to arugulachomper
Can't have it. That's Rachel's word.
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mgmonklewis
November 19, 2009 1:30 PM in reply to Schmed
I think Randi Rhodes used it first, but I have no timeline available to check. :-D
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RuperttheBear
November 19, 2009 1:01 PM
I'm not astonished at all.
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Peter Principle
November 19, 2009 1:10 PM
I would love to see some pollster ask people whether they would support a military coup to eject Obama from the White House -- like that nut case at World Nut Daily was advocating a few months back.
Given their world view, how many self-proclaimed Republicans do you think would say yes? 40%? 50%? More?
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lyleleander
November 19, 2009 1:24 PM in reply to Peter Principle
Well, if you start with the assumption that a near majority don't even think he's legally president, I'd imagine you'd probably get pretty near 50% without even trying.
Start going towards areas of the party that are somewhat sane, and you maybe see a peeling off of support. But yeah, I think if it were up to the GOP base, they would see nothing wrong with a military coup.
As evidence, look forward to the meme that he is working against America when he 'Doesn't listen to the Generals!'. As if, you know, Commander in Chief means nothing, and the Generals outrank him in superiority.
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 2:20 PM in reply to Peter Principle
"Given their world view, how many self-proclaimed Republicans do you think would say yes? 40%? 50%? More?"
So if 25% of voters are Rep., what's the actual numbers here?
125,225,901 election votes x .25 = 31,306,500
31,306,500 self-claimed republican
93,919,401 democrat
So 50% of 31 million is just 15+ million in a population of ±330 million.
I think this is what's scaring the Repubs so much, they aren't anywhere near close to a majority and they can't stand it.
They want to cry and go home, but they have to stay in the sandbox and play the game. And they know they can't win so they start kicking sand back in a little hissy fit.
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CVille Dem
November 19, 2009 1:14 PM
Does anyone else think that the poll was inflammatory?
Why even have an option like that?
I'll bet that if the option was "Do you think Barack Obama won the election because he was black" that would also get high numbers.
These polls are stupid and they just suggest stuff to people who haven't had an original thought in their head since they were potty trained. They probably would pick CREMORA over cream in the coffee test as well. Why? because they don't know what cream tastes like and they are used to the powdered shit they throw into their morning joe.
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A Missouri voter
November 19, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to CVille Dem
Good point. One has to wonder what percentage of those polled simply hung up after hearing the question, thinking that the whole thing was just a bad joke.
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ptullis
November 19, 2009 1:16 PM
Disturbing, but the sample is skewed. 53% voted for Obama's opponents. Obama WON by 53%.
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GayIthacan
November 19, 2009 1:21 PM in reply to ptullis
I think you mean Obama WON 53% of the Popular vote - NOT that he 'won by 53%".
He won by 7% (or, to be completely accurate, a change of 3.5% of the vote from Obama to McCain would have resulted in a 49.5% - 49.5% tie.
To "win by 53%", Obama would have had to win over 76% of the Popular vote.
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Clavis
November 19, 2009 1:16 PM
"Is next... SVIMVEAR!!! WERY NICE!!!" Remember that ad?
This goes beyond Colbert's "truthiness". Republicans who say they "believe" ACORN stole the election are not expressing a rational, empirical belief. They are expressing a feeling that makes them feel good.
Remember that Wendy's ad with the "Soviet Fashion Show"? All the outfits were identical grey smocks, and the announcer kept calling them different things? Did we really think that was how life in the Soviet Union was? Or was it simply jingoism? Did we simply get a thrill from not just poking fun at the Soviets, but sort of allowing ourselves to live in a fairy-tale bubble where we could feel good about how much better America was, and even if the USSR wasn't quite THAT bad, it was, you know, more or less, close enough... hey, what are you, some kind of Commie sympathizer?
In other words, the people who answered "YES" weren't suggesting that they had good evidence -- although I have no doubt that SOME of them *were* just expressing a legitimate belief -- rather, they were expressing a sentiment. They were expressing their allegience to an idea, and the very notion of logically figuring out whether it was factually so or not is not even part of how they process the world.
I suspect this is what religious faith is for many people -- they don't think logically that their religion is correct; rather, they have an emotional allegiance to their faith. It's an authoritarian thing where you emotionally give authority for the whole operation over to someone else.
Why do I "believe" that ACORN stole the election? Because Glenn Beck made me FEEL that way, and my allegiance is to him.
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fpie
November 19, 2009 3:34 PM in reply to Clavis
Well just get all rational an' stuff when we all know in our hearts that those dim-bulbs are all F-ed up. So just get on the bus will ya?
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traitorjoe
November 19, 2009 1:17 PM
I think the poll represents how these folks really feel. A friend on FB argued against my post claiming Bill-O and Dobbs were insane by suggesting Obama was the devil. After claiming Bill-O never said it, I showed him the video. His response? "I've also asked myself that question."
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bvd
November 19, 2009 1:19 PM
I don't see a breakdown of those polled, it just says "registered voters." Am I missing it? What percentage are Repub vs Dem vs Indy? What ages? What races? What states? Without some idea of who's being asked the questions the poll is meaningless.
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progressive_buckeye
November 19, 2009 1:22 PM
"Whites" (whatever that really means), and more specifically white males, are becoming a plurality in this country and losing their hold on positions of power. The only way to attempt to maintain power is to legitimize all other groups in an attempt to make the argument "they" are still the ones deserving of said power.
IMO, opinion, this is truly why conservatives yearn for the '50s; it's not the slower pace of life but that otehr groups "knew their place".
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RKT
November 20, 2009 10:09 AM in reply to progressive_buckeye
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!! (replete with tears and misery).
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MrSmith1
November 19, 2009 1:23 PM
I'm not surprised. I think the Repugs are like that rogue computer on the first Star Trek series, that couldn't accept that it was capable of error, so when Kirk confronted it with it's mistakes, it short-circuited.
Republicans were so confident that they had all the answers, and then they got elected and controlled all branches of government, and all their ideas failed, because, well, they were all lousy ideas.
But, since they believe their ideas are incapable of being lousy, there must be some other explanation for the mess their ideas created and the fact that the electorate repudiated the GOP at the polls.
A vast Acorn conspiracy is about the only explanation they've got left, so they're going to run with it.
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lyleleander
November 19, 2009 1:28 PM
Just like 'He's a Kenyan!' replaced 'He's a Nig*er!' in the modern Republican lexicon due to electoral and imagie concerns, so to has 'Acorn stole the Election!' has replaced 'Nig%ers stole the election/Are Ruining the Country/Are Depurifying society!'.
Just as long as the rabid base doesn't have to think to long to determine what's really being said, it's the same thing.
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traitorjoe
November 19, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to lyleleander
100% true. They will keep floating crazier theories, each one more racist and paranoid than the next, to justify their sick world view. They failed when their heroes were in power for 8 years now they have to defend their total lack of competence and moral judgment.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 11:22 AM in reply to lyleleander
2009 version of Blazing Saddles...
"The Sheriff is a KENYAN!!!"
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mgmonklewis
November 19, 2009 1:29 PM
They live in their own reality. Fox Noise and right-wing radio tell them that they're the Real Americans™, they're the majority, and everybody else is a fringe minority. They've heard it so long and internalized it so well, they actually believe it. Therefore, when something doesn't go their way... CONSPIRACY!!!!1!!! ZOMG!
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chimpale
November 19, 2009 1:29 PM
I'm hopeful that the GOP's current strategy of incessant lying doesn't afford them any significant success in the elections and, in fact, makes their brand toxic to the vast majority of voters. If they can just complete their self-destruction before they're able to render all language completely meaningless, there's a chance for a far brighter future for this country.
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Waltz
November 19, 2009 1:36 PM
Some of those who believe ACORN stole the election actually voted for Obama. Man people are stupid.
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 3:06 PM in reply to Waltz
Or they were just being snarky....also possible.
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bellesouth
November 19, 2009 1:37 PM
If Republicans are at 20% and of those 50% believe this crappola then that's 10% of the whole, right? Based on the idiot republicans, you could get 10% to say they believe in the tooth fairy.
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midnight rambler
November 19, 2009 1:37 PM
Odd that no one has pick up on the fact that 9% of Democrats said they thought it was stolen by ACORN, and 4% weren't sure. What's up with that? Genuine crazies, or goofing the question a la the antichrist poll?
Frankly, like that "Is Obama the Antichrist?" question, I suspect that a large proportion of the Republicans who said ACORN stole the election were doing so out of spite because they didn't like the results (though I'm sure there's still a disturbingly large number who genuinely believe it, probably 30% or so).
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lyleleander
November 19, 2009 1:48 PM in reply to midnight rambler
The polls were part of the conspiracy, though. Something about blackmailing the editors and publishers of the Times/Post/NBC/ABC/Rasmussen, etc...
The victory celebration in Chicago? The massive attendance of the Inauguration? Ha, like most video and image editing artists that can manipulate and contort stuff like that aren't liberal-arts types in the first place anyway...
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Fried Chicken Lover
November 19, 2009 4:05 PM in reply to midnight rambler
That 9% probably is Hillbots who heard the question and were thinking about the primary.
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todayslies
November 19, 2009 1:41 PM
One would also have to believe that all of the polling leading up to Election Day was faked, since the average of all the national polls accurately measured the size of Obama's victory.
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jolly ranchero
November 19, 2009 1:48 PM
ACORN stole it? That's just nutty. These bad seeds cant see the forest thru the trees, especially the oak ones.
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dustbunny44
November 19, 2009 1:55 PM
I think most of you are missing the mechanism by which the crazies think ACORN stole the election.
They don't think they votes were tampered with, but they think that ACORN registered a lot of people that were not legal somehow, like mickey mouse (fictional), or juan valdez (illegal).
Because an ACORN organizer was accused of submitting for registration the names of people that were not real people, GOPers believe they did that for millions of people and did not get caught.
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Bill E Pilgrim
November 19, 2009 2:12 PM in reply to dustbunny44
And then presumably Mickey Mouse and the other fictional characters all showed up at the polling places and showed ID proving who they are, and voted, right?
I realize you're only reporting what these crazies believe, not saying you believe this yourself, but honestly just carrying out the train of thought to its conclusion reveals how insane the whole paranoid fantasy is, there are holes bigger than Lou Dobss' head in the logic.
"Yes Mr. Mouse, if we can just see some identification..ah yes, there we are, an official Mousketeer card with your animated picture on it, yes that will do, fine. You go and vote now.."
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 3:10 PM in reply to dustbunny44
Those dumbasses do not seem to realize that (1) BY LAW, any organization registering voters MUST hand in ALL registration cards, no matter how suspicious they are and (2) none of those fraudulent forms ever resulted in votes...they were tossed out by the relevant board of elections when registration forms were being processed and verified.
Not that facts or reality will ever erase the paranoid fantasies of those idiots.
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Kuyleh
November 19, 2009 5:01 PM in reply to jenesq
No, you're doing it wrong. ACORN hypnotized everyone, remember? Well, they hypnotized the boards into accepting the fraudulent applications.
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Pete Bilderback
November 19, 2009 1:57 PM
I am stunned that 86% of Democrats are unwilling to admit that ACORN stole the election for Obama. I have been following this story very closely thanks to the crack reporting of the fair and balanced Fox News team. The way ACORN used a pimp and prostitute to steal the election for Obama is disgusting. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 11:47 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
"the crack reporting of the fair and balanced Fox News team."
SO that's what they're smokin' at Faux Noose!!!
'splains everything...
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Rich in NJ
November 19, 2009 2:00 PM
The Know Nothing movement reincarnate.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 11:26 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
Hear hear! And like that bunch of bigoted protectionists, will see it's own demise before long.
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Cal Damage
November 19, 2009 2:02 PM
The lack of critical thinking, and the willingness, no, scratch that, the NEED to be led, is what makes these people Republicans, and no longer 'Americans' in the originalist sense of the word (well-informed, develop their own opinions, etc...)
How does a 'Good American' become a 'Good German'? How many hours of Fox News does it take?
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Bill E Pilgrim
November 19, 2009 2:05 PM
Yeah but you have to take into account when citing these things just how few people count themselves as Republicans these days.
20% of voters identify themselves as Republicans.
Of that 20%, slightly more than half, 52%, think that ACORN stole the election.
That's what, 11% of voters?
I bet 11% of the country would agree with almost any insane paranoid thing you put in a poll.
By the way: My avatar over at the left is a photo of Puccini and Toscanini, but you can only see some of Toscanini, from his ankles to his knees, because he's cropped.
I guess that would make it a picture of Tosca.
Thanks, I'm here at La Scala nightly, be sure to try the linguini.
Anyway, I have no idea how to change it, since it doesn't seem to appear on my profile page anymore, which shows no image. Just thought I'd explain the enigmatic image, anyway.
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xargaw
November 19, 2009 2:07 PM
Of course they either think this or think just saying it will gain resonance. They are addicted to FOX and this is where all these fictional moronic tales are born. FOX is the national sabiteur of truth and reason. If the idiots that watch weren't dangerous, they should be pitied for their ignorance.
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Joe Monster
November 19, 2009 2:15 PM in reply to xargaw
Instead of pity, I suggest 'scorn', 'shun' or 'ostracize'.
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dougom
November 19, 2009 2:12 PM
Also, the U.S. Supreme Court gave George W. Bush the election, another thing that's completely different.
Republican hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. They rail and moan and kvetch (wow: "kvetch" is known by the online spell-checker!) about "activist judges," but they're perfectly happy to make use of "activist judges" themselves so long as said judges act on their behalf.
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Joe Monster
November 19, 2009 2:13 PM
Wow- what ass would admit they believe this? We know the Republican Party lost the election with a decade of careful destruction.
Reminds me of the 3rd grader I had to correct for getting frustrated with a dice game and starting to change the outcome by fiat.
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Donald from Hawaii
November 19, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to Joe Monster
And you know, little Michele Bachmann has never forgotten your humiliation of her in front of her playmates that long-ago day, and is simply biding her time until she returns the favor in her prepared remarks on the floor of the U.S. House, when she identifies you in her remarks as the ringleader of a scheme to smuggle underaged Mexican sex slaves through Manitoba to all those secret gay brothels operated by NAMBLA throughout the liberal Minneapolis / St. Paul area.
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bracken
November 19, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to Donald from Hawaii
Not underage MEXICANS. Underage white blonde girl children. Duh!
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Donald from Hawaii
November 19, 2009 2:35 PM
Gee, I wonder if there's any corrolation between those people peddling ACORN conspiracy theories and those who pushed the false notion that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9-11 tragedy ...
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verite
November 19, 2009 2:42 PM
It's called projection. It was already a GOP misinformation talking point in Ohio when no other than Ken Blackwell et al, who actually did steal the election for the GOP, attempted to blame ACORN and Jennifer Brunner, Dem SOS when in fact she was going to extraordinary efforts to clean up an election system tainted by former SOS Ken Blackwell, Karl Rove and others in '04 and before.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
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MASON
November 19, 2009 2:45 PM
In order to believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes, Obama's national margin.
This is incorrect.
In order for these people to believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election they need only be presented with the idea in a polling question.
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jamzo
November 19, 2009 2:50 PM
symmetry!
the supreme court stole an election from gore
so acorn steals an election from mc cain
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 2:58 PM
Damn, that ACORN is one effective organization! lol
What a bunch of paranoid lunatics the GOP has become.
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tamiasmin
November 19, 2009 3:00 PM
If your premise is that Obama cannot possibly be the legitimate president, and you don't feel quite comfortable stating the real reason you believe that, then anything goes. So:
1. He's from Kenya.
2. He's the Antichrist.
3. He's only been a resident in this country for six weeks.
4. He's thirteen years old, but made up to look older.
5. Someone stole the election for him.
6. All of the above plus more.
Numbers 3 and 4 have not received much attention yet, but they are surely coming. 2 is not actually a constitutional disqualification. And 1 and 5 rank well below "the dog ate my homework" in credibility. But why worry if it makes you feel good.
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Stoneking
November 19, 2009 3:05 PM
It is sobering to note that fully 46% of the electorate voted for McCain/Palin. Wow.
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gdunn45
November 19, 2009 3:16 PM
Let me get this straight. When the Republicans stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, that was Democracy. When the Democrats win out by a landslide in 2008, it is stolen!
Do, I understand this correctly?
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 2:32 PM in reply to gdunn45
"Let me get this straight. When the Republicans stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, that was Democracy. When the Democrats win out by a landslide in 2008, it is stolen!
Do, I understand this correctly?"
Mind sharp as a tack still, gddunn45.
Star on your forehead today!
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ericf
November 19, 2009 3:21 PM
I'm sure the GOP response is going to be that many Democrats always claimed Bush stole his elections. The answer should be obvious. Unlike the ACORN claim, Democrats have a pile of evidence. Besides, ACORN has been investigated. Republicans in power have gone hard after ACORN. Democratic claims about Bush --- uninvestigated by anyone who can issue a subpoena. Just a slight difference I should think.
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Dave Adams
November 19, 2009 3:31 PM
It would be interesting to know how many of these same Republicans also believe that Cave Men used to ride Dinosaurs.
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 4:27 PM in reply to Dave Adams
are you back? i thought you would be ashamed after the beating you took the other day. so you know, i don't think acorn stole the election.
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Dave Adams
November 19, 2009 4:59 PM in reply to jjdjjd
What on earth are you talking about jjdjjdichenshit?
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Dave Adams
November 19, 2009 5:00 PM in reply to Dave Adams
My bad; I meant "jjdjjdickenshit".
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 5:13 PM in reply to Dave Adams
i got no time for you today, i have something you are unfamiliar with coming to my house shortly; a women. see you next time.
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jeffgee
November 19, 2009 5:34 PM in reply to jjdjjd
A women. Good one. No idjit left behind.
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jenesq
November 19, 2009 6:00 PM in reply to jjdjjd
How much will that cost you?
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 6:05 PM in reply to jenesq
obambi sending her over, you paying for it. brwhahahahaha, god i crack myself up.
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 2:35 PM in reply to jjdjjd
"god i crack myself up."
Nice that someone did, if only you were an egg.
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Dorn76
November 19, 2009 4:08 PM
The didn't ride them so much as avoid them. There was that time in the Garden of Eden with the T-Rex...
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bracken
November 19, 2009 4:14 PM
It's easy to answer the question of how the 2004 election was stolen. Vote-counting machines with opaque software were owned by a Republican supporter of President Bush. The state that gave Bush the presidency was marred by scandal, including throwing out voter registrations because the paper was "the wrong weight." That's just for starters, and from someone who hasn't followed it closely--at least not since 2004.
But ask a wingnut how ACORN exactly stole the election. The answer will be something like, "They just DID, and I KNOW they did. They did it somehow."
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 2:39 PM in reply to bracken
"But ask a wingnut how ACORN exactly stole the election. The answer will be something like, "They just DID, and I KNOW they did. They did it somehow."
And they prove it by quoting their Florida friend Chad, who is an election voting expert.
"Yup, that's the way ACORN works. I know it. I'm an expert."
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jeffgee
November 19, 2009 5:25 PM
To the righties, at abu Ghraib, it was "just a few bad apples" in the military torturing prisoners.
At ACORN a few people did stupid things and tainted the whole organization, therefore it's evil through and through.
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locomotivebreath1901
November 19, 2009 7:06 PM
ACORN Stole It?
Nope. The margin of victory was too great.
ACORN is a cesspool of wickedness and villainy, but they ain't that good. Their lying & cheating only works when margins are less than 1-2%. Example: Al Franken
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CVille Dem
November 19, 2009 7:50 PM in reply to locomotivebreath1901
Al Franken stole his election? In the worlds of DickDay:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Minnesota has an actual Senator instead of a talking point; they have an intellectual instead of a sleezy creep; they have someone who sees the big picture instead of someone who just wants to look in the mirror and admire himself; your comments are as lame as Sara Palin's where she just has to blame someone for her failures and MANY intellectual shortcomings.
Al Franken is a brilliant man who wants the best for our country. I can't think of a single republican who can make that claim; why else are the ALL, en masse, voting against health care reform? They don't care about our country -- they care only about their donors.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 11:43 AM in reply to CVille Dem
"Al Franken is a brilliant man who wants the best for our country"
COULD NOT AGREE MORE!
But you do realize, he's one of those characters the Cons are so afraid of because he's serious about his constituents, and he's smart enough to make them shut-up when they are speaking stupidly.
He's funny, too, that scares them worse than anything; (think Daily Show) because the one thing they all fear more than everything else but paying their fair share of taxes, is BEING LAUGHED AT.
Lately, as they create these crazy ACORN urban myths, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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ShawninMo
November 19, 2009 8:09 PM
Silly republicans. ACORN may be a corrupt organization that deals in voter fraud, but they're not THAT good at it.
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bobzaguy
November 20, 2009 2:43 PM in reply to ShawninMo
"Silly republicans. ACORN may be a corrupt organization that deals in voter fraud, but they're not THAT good at it."
That sure is right! God knows if they were so good at stealing elections, the Repubs would have had them on their payroll from the get-go.
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ShawninMo
November 20, 2009 8:41 PM in reply to bobzaguy
That's about the truth. Those in washington will do almost anything to get re-elected. What a bunch of theiving bums.
They say no more pork and cover their butts by calling them earmarks. They buy votes by putting crap in bills that wouldn't be there except that they needed that representatives' vote. Kind of like Harry Reid giving 100 mil for louisiana medicare. That wasn't in there until he needed Landreius' vote. It wasn't important enough to put it in there from the begining, only after she waivered on her vote.
Washington is full of worms.
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M.L.H.
November 19, 2009 8:36 PM
Looking at the internal numbers in the poll, they had 33% Republicans in the sample. Other polls are showing the actual number of people claiming to be Republican right now is well below 25%.
Also, this was a poll answered by "Press 1", "Press 2", etc. It sounds like it was a robo-call situation. Who stays on the phone for those things, especially after a skewed question like "Was it fair or did ACORN steal it?" as though those are the only legitimate possible options.
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jjdjjd
November 19, 2009 9:11 PM
god i'm tired of this site, bunch of libtards telling each other how smart they are. jesus, look around you, the world is coming apart and you all are so smug. whatcha gunna do when they come for you? what does it matter if its bush's fault or obama's ? who cares ? WE ARE $14,000,000,000,000.00 IN DEBT. acorn, bush, iraq, afganistan, no.korea, no jobs, iran, china, mexico, illegal alien's, and a thousand other things and half you guy's trying to make a date with the other half. get a life. it all falls down real soon. but don't worry about that, worry about sarah palin, or acorn. jeez, what effing idiots. to prove the idiocy, someone will point out a grammar mistake or a spelling error. get a life. do something.
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mgmonklewis
November 19, 2009 9:23 PM in reply to jjdjjd
*yawn*
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Odel Roo
November 19, 2009 9:41 PM in reply to jjdjjd
too funny - debt... what debt? oh that's Reagan and Bush's Debt... Trillions in debt really doesn't matter as long as you feel good. I mean hey... just tax the rich!
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 10:42 AM in reply to Odel Roo
Tax the rich...
Why not? They can afford it, and they get the most benefit from ur free society. Those taxes are taken from their abundance, not their penury.
If they were really the patriots and Christians they claim to be, hey should be willing to pay more for their abundance, instead of squeezing it from the struggling subsistence of the middle class.
Remember the bank robber during the depression, when they caught him, some reporter asked "why do you rob banks".
He answered "cuz' that's where the money is."
These greedy rich are the real problem. Not the tax laws, not the Democrats, or the Republicans per se. (and I qualify the word rich with the word greedy because many wealthy, truly cultured people know their wealth is the gift of our free nation, and they believe owe this nation more than their struggling employees and workers do, because they benefit so much more from it) but the Republican party has become the private tool of so many of those greedy rich, it may as well be called "The Greedy Rich Old White Men's Party."
If they want to maintain their millionaire lifestyles, they will have to pay for it. Because if there is ever the type of extreme economic collapse they fear so greatly, even their gold will be worthless.
They'll starve to death, hiding in their vaults full of money.
You can't eat gold.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 10:51 AM in reply to JEP07
I just wish, for only a moment of their privileged lives, some of these rich folks might know what it was like to wonder where their next paycheck was coming from, to know what it is like to search around for a free clinic because they can't afford the commercial ones.
I realize even wealthy folks know anxiety, but not from the kind of question marks the middle class and poverty class deal with.
I know more than one rich Republican who has never once in their lives known what it is like NOT to have enough money to pay for insurance or food or to pay the bills.
They just can not understand what it is like. And that is one of the biggest problems we face today, that we have such a large class of privileged people who have never known what it is like to do without.
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Aslanleon
November 20, 2009 12:00 PM in reply to JEP07
The top few per cent already pay more than 90% of the income tax. What proportion of the income tax should they pay?
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RKT
November 20, 2009 10:11 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Good news for you, though. End of Days, and all that tripe.
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anna am
November 19, 2009 9:57 PM
This is pretty damned demoralizing. But it also says something about just who's left in the Republican party.
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Silence
November 20, 2009 7:39 AM in reply to anna am
Republican, conservative, tupperware party. It doesn't really matter. I'm sure any one of them can come up with the basic counting skills . The "highly educated" libs are obviously not capable of this simple task.
Perhaps, you folks would like to borrow one of my GED stockroom boys for the day. I'm quite sure they could count the money and the jobs.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 9:51 AM in reply to Silence
I think the Republican party you try to defend here died with Eisenhower, not-so-silent...
You don't even realize what kind evil people have taken over your precious GOP, you are so blinded by your delusions of what you think the Republicans are supposed to represent.
Loyalty is admirable, but loyalty to an elephant running headlong over a cliff is simply futility. Especailly if you are riding on its back.
Your Republican party no longer exists. What you now defend is literally the antithesis of everything you think you believe in.
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Silence
November 20, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to JEP07
You seem to be the one caught in the last century. Your enemy is not Republican or Democrat.
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 11:34 AM in reply to Silence
Why must there be "an enemy?"
Isn't that the very gist of our ongoing struggle?
Our military industry depends on all of us finding enemies around every corner, to maintain their profitable, obsolete wars.
What would they do it the whole world finally realized how antiquated their contrived conflicts really are, and that they only create these strawman adversaries to profit from the death and suffering of the rest of us?
And as for me, I consider my personal adversary spiritual, not human.
You seem patently paranoid. Who do you call "the enemy?"
Islamic fundamentalists? Progressives? Democrats? Liberals?
The Packers?
Polarity is a tool of the weapons manufacturers, as long as they can continue to create "enemies" they can continue to profit from war.
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DopeyObama
November 20, 2009 12:50 AM
ACORN wouldn't do anything illegal, morally or otherwise,right?
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JEP07
November 20, 2009 9:42 AM in reply to DopeyObama
ACORN isn't a human.
A very small number of it's members might be capable of such subteruge, as individuals, but to insinuate that ACORN. per se, is capable of pernicious process, is disingenuous, and part of the disinformation campaign the Republicans have generated to give their contributors someone else to blame for their recent electoral failures.
ACORN is the phony Republican strawman equivalency of the very real Diebold demons of 2000 and 2004.
While we lamented quite legitimately the stealng of elections with digital subterfuge, and it helped forge unity between disparate Democratic party factions, now the republicans, seeing their disintegration unfolding so quickly before their very eyes, have taken tactics from the anti-Diebold playbook, and they are trying to unify their dividing parts by creating a boogeyman that looks like and ACORN.
HYPOCRITES!
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Guzelvis
November 20, 2009 8:42 AM
Stole election, he's an alien, and let's not forget, he spoke to our children in school. Oh, the outrages. Biting satire @ http://bit.ly/1VRoUk
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Aslanleon
November 20, 2009 11:49 AM
It's deja vu all over again. A couple of years ago most Democrats believed that Bush stole TWO elections and either knew something or actually covered up the truth on 9/11. You probably still believe that he lied about WMD instead of merely believing what every intelligence service in the world told him. It's the paranoid style in American politics. Admit it. A lot of you believed all that ridiculous stuff about Bush and now you're amused by people believing stupid stuff about Obama.
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CVille Dem
November 20, 2009 3:18 PM in reply to Aslanleon
Except the stuff you just said about Bush was true.
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Timothy
November 20, 2009 7:33 PM
No one has any credibility any more. We used to say "You are entitled to your own beliefs but not you own facts." Now...is it not written:
"It's a hard rain's a gonna fall."
"Who'll stop the rain?"
"Your corrupt ways have finally made you blind."
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AZskeptic
November 22, 2009 10:26 AM
Jenesq, a "disproportionate number of vocal crazies" were financed by wealthy conservative industrialists in germany once upon a time. I wonder how Sarah will look with a mustache?
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