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Poll: Hoffman Narrowly Ahead Of Owens, 41%-36%

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The new Siena poll of the NY-23 race gives Conservative Doug Hoffman a lead over Democrat Bill Owens -- but only a narrow one.

The numbers: Hoffman 41%, Owens 36%, and Republican Dede Scozzafava -- who dropped out of the race and endorsed the Democrat Owens, but is still on the ballot -- at 6%, with a whopping 18% undecided. In the previous poll from two days ago, before the whole fiasco mentioned previously, Owens had 36%, Hoffman 35%, Scozzafava 20%, and only 9% were undecided.

This is in contrast to last night's Public Policy Polling (D) survey, which gave Hoffman a double-digit lead. When two reputable pollsters differ, the tie should probably go to the local one, Siena, in terms of which to put greater faith in -- but in any case we'll find out the truth tomorrow night, when people actually vote.

From the pollster's analysis: "With nearly one in five voters undecided the day before Election Day and voters still trying to comprehend the dramatic withdrawal of Scozzafava, and her subsequent endorsement of Owens, this is still a wide open race. The two candidates and campaigns are both in a sprint to try and convince these undecided voters to support them. Which ever campaign succeeds in convincing the undecided voters and then getting them to the polls tomorrow, will likely be looking at a victory tomorrow night."

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November 2, 2009 9:41 AM   

I'm not a big one for polls, and I understand that 18% undecided can make it go either way, but when on earth did being ahead by 5% qualify as a narrow lead?

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November 2, 2009 10:09 AM    in reply to bvd

When it's within the margin of error and it's small compared to the undecided.

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November 2, 2009 10:58 AM    in reply to IAmNotHere

this.

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November 2, 2009 10:30 AM    in reply to bvd

I think this is something like a +12 Republican district. It's NY but it's a true upstate district...it's not Westchester County. Even if it isn't +12R, it's been Republican since the Civil War. Yeah, Obama won it by 5 last year but locally, that didn't change much. With 3 folks - two from the right - in the race, you'd expect Owens to be ahead or just a point or two behind. With DeDe now out (and this poll seems to reflect her departure from the race), Hoffman should be running away with the race. And he may be - PPP's numbers may be a accurate reflection of where the race really stands. But being 5 behind with a lot of undecideds, many of who are not wingnuts, this could be anybody's race.

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November 2, 2009 9:46 AM   

It's going to be a GOP sweep tomorrow. The energy gap is huge. Hopefully it will be a wake-up call for Dems for 2010.

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November 2, 2009 10:13 AM    in reply to Walter Mitty

You mean like 2006 and 2008 were a wake up for the GOP? I've seen nothing that shows me the GOP is aware of the last two elections.

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November 2, 2009 11:37 AM    in reply to Walter Mitty

I'm getting that feeling as well. How can people vote for the repukes? I just don't understand. We are in the 21st Century last time I checked. Other than turning back the social clock to the 1800's, what else do they have to offer? Nothing.

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November 2, 2009 1:06 PM    in reply to Michael A

I don't think the country has shifted to the GOP in just a year - polls show that they are still widely disliked. It's that this is a very small off-year election with very few races that have the national spotlight - NJ and Va gov, NY-23, and the Maine gay marriage initiative. The wingnuts feel threatened and scared...irrationally so but they feel like it's their duty to get to the polls to save our nation. They can get behind guys like Hoffman and Christie and McDonnell more than they could have gotten behind McCain. So they are likely coming out in stronger numbers than they did last fall. The Dems, on the other hand, are either complacent, lazy, disappointed, or a combination of all three. They won't come out in nearly the same numbers as they did in 2008. That's what's going on here...not some huge swing in puplic opinion in favor of wingnut conservatives. But the problem with that is the media is waiting for the latest, "Dems in disarray...Obama rejected", story, and losses in all three of these nationally recognized races will give them their hook...and we'll be hearing about it for months. You won't, of course, be hearing about how the Republican Party is damning itself to irrelevancy and a single region by embracing nothing but wingnuts as candidates.

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November 2, 2009 1:16 PM    in reply to ogliberal

Oh, I agree with you 100 percent. However, I still don't get how people could possibly vote for repukes in the numbers that they do. I am guessing in 2010 and 2012, you will see a similar situation as 2006 and 2008 concerning voting. The overriding problem that I am really concerned about is what happens when people get pissed at the dems like they did in 1979 and 1993? It would be another unmitgated disaster if they swung to the wingnuts to teach the dems yet another lesson.

By the way, I don't count 2000 and 2004. The repukes stole both of those elections. The tidal waves in 2006 and 2008 were too big to steal those elections and still there were a ton of dem votes not made by people too lazy to vote. If people voted, the repukes would dry up and blow away in the wind.

I really want a legit opposition party that represents the people, not this absurdity. It scares the sh*t out of me.

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November 2, 2009 12:10 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

I agree...the Republicans go 3 for 3

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November 2, 2009 10:29 AM   

There's one puzzling thing about this weekend's turn of events. If this had been better thought out by Scozzafava, and if her aim was to sincerely boost Owens' candidacy, then she should have done nothing and remained in the race. It seems like that would have been more beneficial to Owens than her pulling out of the race, even with her subsequent endorsement of Owens. Guess we'll see tomorrow night...

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November 2, 2009 10:36 AM   

I hope the Dem-minded voters still intent on voting for Daggett change their minds when they get in the booth. If that happens, Corzine will win this one by a narrow margin - the Dem GOTV is very good in the Garden State. Sadly, my parents are intent of voting for Daggett even though they pretty much despise Corzine and are basically liberals. They're calling it a protest vote...they think Corzine is a nice guy and they agree with him on just about every issue, but they don't think he took on the special interests enough...they think he's too nice of a guy for the state. I told them that voting for Daggett could throw the race to Corzine...they don't care.

That said, the Dems - at least in my area (pretty blue) - appear to be doing a pretty good job of trying to get folks out. They were canvassing the neighborhoods this weekend and there are multiplate full sized billboards in the area with the tagline, "Keep It Going", and Obama front-and-center. Dem mailers have definitely exceed GOP mailings, although we did recently get two mailing from the god squad, informing us that Corzine wants to kill babies and turn our kids gay. (a strange strategy in NJ and especially in my town, where voters tend to be more Dem than GOP and where we have a rather large gay community...but then my wife's maiden name is Irish and both were addressed to her)

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November 2, 2009 10:44 AM    in reply to ogliberal

oops...wrong thread

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November 2, 2009 12:12 PM    in reply to ogliberal

Thanks for the mispost!!

Hope you're right

I am waiting for the Kleefeld Kall

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November 2, 2009 12:09 PM   

Kleefeld won't call it anything other than a crap shoot

I will....Hoffman

“Hoffman’s favorability rating shot up from a net positive four points to a now net positive 14 points – 47-33 percent,” said Siena pollster Steven Greenberg in a release accompanying the survey results. “Owens’ favorability dropped slightly from a net positive four points to a net negative one point.”

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November 2, 2009 2:43 PM   

How is Hoffman, you asked?
Well, he is a self claimed protégé of Glen Beck.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/02/hoffman-beck-candidate/

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November 2, 2009 5:47 PM   

It will come down to how many Republican voters simply couldn't vote for a Democrat nor for a wack-job such as Hoffman. If enough feel that way the results will reflect the polling prior to Scozzafava's withdrawal.
In other words, a toss-up. Can anyone say: recount/s?

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November 2, 2009 7:02 PM   

I now hope Hoffman wins. It'll throw the GOP into a major civil war. The Palin wingnuts will celebrate and they will be more fully thrust into the light than ever before. The Romney wing will be forced to either capitulate, or fight, once they see that the lunatics are in charge of the asylum, they will fight.

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November 2, 2009 9:16 PM   

Just weeks ago, a spokesman for congressional Republicans had charged that Hoffman didn't even live in the district and that he "lacked the integrity and qualities needed to be elected to anything, let alone Congress."

Can this be said frequently enough in the 23rd? Is this the kind of folks the "NEW" GOP supports?

God help the 23rd if they let this guy win!

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