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The scene today at the Capitol Hill Tea Party probably worried incumbents of both parties.

TPMDC was there, following every "Kill the bill" refrain and impromptu "USA! USA!" chant from the many thousands gathered on the West Front Lawn of the Capitol.

Evan captured the mood on the ground (with extra fun video of women singing their own anti-health care version of "Yankee Doodle") and as we reported earlier, I stumbled upon tea partiers heckling police who had arrested protesters.

My takeaway after several hours interviewing people who had taken time off work, sacrificed sleep and hopped on buses to make the trip from across the country is that there is a real spark to the movement.

The group is angry, and in many cases ill-informed about the 1,900-page health care bill that they delighted in shredding across the Capitol today. But they vote, and each person told me they are angry with incumbents and government spending.

"Pelosi can't fire you but we can," read one hand-drawn sign.

Stewart Gibb of Oceanview, Delaware held a bumper sticker he'd made: "No incumbents in 2010." He said he opposes the $787 billion economic stimulus and the health care bill.

"Anybody that votes for any of these bills should be out," Gibb told TPMDC.

Mike Alfred said he and his friend John Herrington came from Columbus, Ohio in the middle of the night "to get Congress' attention."

He also made the trip for the 9/12 rallies to tell members of Congress "they work for us."

Alfred, calling himself a Reagan conservative, said he was worried because spending is out of control. He has been phoning his members' offices but wanted to deliver the message in person.

The protesters marveled that the event was put together quickly, with many of them getting organized with just a few days notice.

Several Minnesota Republicans organized themselves thanks to this site of a "sisterhood of mommy patriots," coming on three buses for 23 hours. They were on the ground less than 5 hours and then took the nearly one-day trip again to return home. The trip cost $200 per person.

Christi Becker, a freelance artist from a St. Paul suburb, told TPMDC Republicans "have no backbone anymore" and she prefers the GOP stick to conservative principles.

"I'm here representing 1,000 people," she said. "I don't think it's the quantity of the numbers that matter, it's the passion of the people who are here."

Becker said she is a strong supporter of Rep. Michele Bachmann. "She exudes truth. I completely trust her," she said.

She added: "I'm glad people are seeing that Michele Bachmann has backing and that so many people believe in her."

There was plenty of anti-Obama sentiment at the event as well - the joker signs, impeach stickers and people questioning his country of birth, but the overall vibe was anti-incumbent.

Becker said she is anti-Obama because she feels he does not respect the Constitution. "I have never heard him say the word freedom," she said. "I don't trust him and I don't trust anything about him."

The partiers stormed the Capitol, getting some members' attention but hardly registering with others.

About 50 protesters visited Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE), his office said. In other offices, some dropped off literature, some staged sit-ins.

Anti-abortion protesters were also there in droves, suggesting the bill funds abortions (it does not) and re-enacting the scene we stumbled upon last week of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in hell.

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November 5, 2009 7:03 PM   

YAWN. They might matter if there were more than five of them. Just like with the town halls, the press substitutes volume for power.

These are a bunch of loud mouths idiots who could elect Mickey Mouse president of Disneyworld.

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November 5, 2009 8:59 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Agreed, there may be reasons to be worried about 2010 but the tea-baggers are not one of them.

btw: do they actually call themselves tea-baggers? that is STILL extremely humorous.

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November 6, 2009 8:12 AM    in reply to PeninsulaMatt

No, they don't, or at least they don't now (I think Michelle Malkin coined it). They figured out what "teabagging" meant, then used our insistence on using that term as an excuse to gin up more fake outrage.

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November 6, 2009 12:35 PM    in reply to Steaming Pile

They named THEMSELVES teabaggers and waved around Lipton bags. I reserve the right to call them that forever after. It's like putting the dunce cap on them.

People like this could end up naming their anti-immigration supporters the Dirty Sanchez Brigade.

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November 6, 2009 10:12 AM    in reply to FreeRider

Maybe they don't matter to you, but here in Texas they dominate the Senate, the Governor belongs to them, so do both Senators, so do all the statewide elected offices, and the state House of Representatives is evenly split. Oklahoma is much worse. Clearly South Carolina is also dominated by these people. They also represent the 40% of Californians who have locked that state into an ungovernable mess. Those are just samples.

"Yawn" is simply not appropriate. It's not a good idea to ignore a nest of vipers. You need at a very minimum to understand what type of snakes they are and how they can be safely dealt with.

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November 6, 2009 12:29 PM    in reply to Richardxx

Amen.

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November 6, 2009 6:46 PM    in reply to Richardxx

Actually, Richard, it is our liberal legislature that has created the ungovernable mess that is California.

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November 5, 2009 7:06 PM   

The question is how do you educate someone who is determined not to be educated? The teabaggers are not interested in facts, they have their own version of reality and are not interested in anything else. You could prove definitively that they will be better off with the House version of health care and they will deny it forever. I think Thanksgiving and Christmas are going to be tense for a lot of folks this year.

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November 6, 2009 1:46 AM    in reply to Powkat

That's the really frustrating part about this. They are so convinced of all of this conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, that they refuse to listen to anything that contradicts what Beck and Limbaugh and Bachmann are telling them. They have been whipped up into a state of hysterical fear that is all but impossible to penetrate.

I don't think they can be addressed as a group by opposing voices with any success. I think any success in getting through to them is going to have to be through one-on-one discussions with people they don't entirely distrust who are part of the reality-based community. And that is a long shot, too.

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November 5, 2009 7:10 PM   

It seems to me the problem is this:

The uninformed and uneducated will show up, both for events like this and also to vote. Those who want our country to rise above selfishness and also to support all its citizens need a person like Barack Obama to inspire them to show up. He (Obama) needs to call on that BY EXAMPLE in order to get the votes next time.

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November 6, 2009 1:53 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

I don't think it's so much that, but I do think that people in general need to feel that casting a vote will make a difference; otherwise, why go to the bother of doing it? I think the uninformed and uneducated perhaps are more willing to take it as a matter of faith that voting is a righteous act, and as such, will of course make a difference. Those who have seen and read enough to be more skeptical may take a little more convincing the candidate or group of candidates on the ballot will be worth taking some trouble to support.

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November 6, 2009 11:28 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

These people are scared. That's what's motivating them. They don't trust government and especially they don't trust a government run by a Black man. [In America the Black skin is a lot more important than the Harvard degree and the clear talent, lucidity and intelligence.]

They feel like they are losing control of the society they live in, and their reaction is to lash out in anger at anyone they can blame for the changes that frighten them.

The economy is in the tank, and the only people they can see to blame for that are the government. Government is supposed to be in control and to keep things stable. Government is supposed to prevent scary unpredictable changes, and it has failed. Why?

Well, what has changed in government recently? The Democrats are taking over a lot of it. And the Democrats are bringing in changes in climate legislation and they are going to change the health insurance policies for everyone who has them. And they aren't willing to fight for America. They don't respect soldiers. The current government isn't controlling and reining in the changes, they are making them worse.

So these protesters are especially against Democrats. Democrats don't protect against change, they promise change. But the protesters are also against any incumbent. They are angry at government generally because it has failed to keep control over the society and the economy.

Is the government overwhelmed, or is it incompetent, or is all of this a conspiracy? Is it time to bring in a strong leader who will kick ass, take names, get control and get something done? That's what the Italian brag that Mussolini got the trains to run on time meant. [That was a propaganda coup by the Fascists, of course.]

Is it time to quit bothering with this liberal blather about human rights and instead consider the rights of the majority? Nothing else has worked and everything is getting steadily worse. Any news to the contrary is a propaganda lie from a media that no longer attempts to tell the truth. It's just out to make money, take control of the government and screw us all over. And we all know things are getting worse. This is in spite of the happy talk on the news. We know it because it is getting worse all around us, and no one is getting anything any better. The media is in fact lying. The government is lying. Who is left to trust? [Your pastor and a few other people who look like you. Limbaugh speaks to all of this very clearly, and Beck is learning how. And I agree with them about the media lying. I just disagree which elements of the media are lying and which are telling something close to the truth.]

You can't reason with angry, frightened people. That should be no surprise. But you'd damned well better listen to them. These people have a lot to be afraid of, only a few institutions and media sources they trust, and they are gearing up to do something to government as a result.

As a side note, If the Democrats can't get health care passed, I agree with the protesters on the incumbents. The bill should have been done by August. Now they are talking about next year? I'm leaning towards opposing every incumbent. Even if there are some good ones, they are demonstrating their incompetence with the health care bill. They'd better deliver, and soon,or they are all gone. And when changes like that start, all kinds of other changes get included - like elimination of a lot of the Constitution.

Bellantoni's article is important.

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November 6, 2009 5:08 PM    in reply to Richardxx

Why weren't they afraid during the last 8 years when a nincompoop was at the helm? He ignored the warning about 911, he started 2 wars (both of which he hid from the budgets), he ruined our good name in the world, and he brought our economy to near ruin.

Why are they suddenly afraid?

They are afraid because they are being TOLD to be afraid. They don't think for themselves, and so reality will never register in their clouded minds. So forget about this 20% (except to keep an eye on them because they are capable of extreme violence).

Get health care for all, and let people who actually use their minds, decide who is on their side, and who is just trying to scare them to death.

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November 5, 2009 7:21 PM   

Yeah, they started getting 'angry at government spending' last Jan. 20. What a collection of goobers. I hate knowing that at any time in this country, about 40 percent of my fellow citizens are freaking lunatics at worst, ignorant jackasses at best.

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November 5, 2009 7:32 PM    in reply to Weeferdog

Don't overestimate them. These are the same 28% of the electorate who were insisting Bush was doing a bang up job until he blew up the economy and, for the first time in his life, tried to do something to mitigate the damage he'd caused.

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November 6, 2009 8:15 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

They also believe that President Obama assumed responsibility for the recession as of 11/4/08. Dumbasses. Of course, certain members of the media would also have you believe that.

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November 5, 2009 7:22 PM   

Brings back memories

of a McCain-Palin rally


If I were a republican, I'd worry

A dem..not so much

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November 5, 2009 7:24 PM   

I really love how many of them are obviously Medicare recipients, shamelessly showing themselves to be giant douche bag hypocrites. (Someday, someone will ask them "Who would Jesus deny? Who would he let die in the street because you're too much of a selfish ass to help?" to really see the religious hypocrisy flow.)

And white, white, white, white, white, white. They want "their" country back? No. Go back to Mayberry, gomers, and let the adults try to save the lives of 44,000 of your fellow citizens.

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November 6, 2009 1:20 AM    in reply to Morbo

Right... we were all Medicare receipients... THAT MADE SENSE - NOTTT!!!!! THEY ARE the ones that don't care about more government debt, or who pays for their extended and improved free ride!!!!!! NOOOO... I have private health insurance, pay premiums, co-pays, and deductibles!!! So, why shouldn't I be for the free ride from Obama????? I don't get anything else, I should just collect what's due to me....... but NOOOOO I am actually concerned for YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!! We don't need more debt, and more government control, and LESS freedom!!! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 2:04 AM    in reply to Dany's View

We don't need more debt, and more government control, and LESS freedom!!!

The CBO scoring says that the bills under consideration will pay for themselves and actually reduce the deficit. So what is this concern about increasing the debt?

What freedom do you think you are in danger of losing if we as a nation try to do something to make health insurance more widely available? The freedom to go bankrupt? The freedom to have your insurance rescinded when you file a large claim for a serious illness because you forgot to tell your provider that you were treated for acne when you were 13? The freedom to lose access to coverage altogether because you were laid off from your job?

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November 6, 2009 9:40 AM    in reply to slb

Yes, but, of course since that deficit reduction bushwah conflicts with what his COMMON SENSE!!!! tells him, that means the CBO scoring is LIES!!!!

See how conveniently that works out? They don't need to know anything about anything because their "common sense" supplies all the facts they need and anything that conflicts with their "common sense" is lies.

"Common sense" has been a red flag phrase to me since junior high. In my experience, when someone uses that phrase, it is almost always a sign of someone who is ignorant or just plain stupid who is baffled and frightened, by the activities of people who are smarter and better informed. It's their defense mechanism. It's not that they're powerless because of their own lack of knowledge, education or brain power (not the same things), but, rather it's those crazy eggheads doing crazy, incomprehensible stuff that's certain to lead to disaster because they lack the good, native "common sense" of the person who's frightened.

That's a long-standing cultural phenonomon in America, a legacy of our long transtion from rurality to urbanity as the farmers struggled to keep their kids down on the farm by (and, to be fair, safe from dangers real and imagined) by keeping their horizons and sense of possibilities limited. Now, of course, your average farmer has a B.A. or an advanced degree and better be damn smart if he wants to survive, but the cultural attitude developed in the days of muscle powered, labor intensive frontier farming remains and has deep roots in rural and urbanized areas alike.

What the Dominionists and the corporate hand puppiets like Beck, Limbaugh and the astroturf puppet masters have added to the mix is a sense of persecution and a paranoid mythology of malevolence to the mix in place of (or addition to) the amused, scornful disdain that's the usual pose of the frightened dunderhead.

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November 6, 2009 12:25 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

"Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it."
——René Descartes

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November 6, 2009 2:10 AM    in reply to Dany's View

"...many of them were medicare recipients" got turned into "Right... we were all Medicare receipients... THAT MADE SENSE - NOTTT!!!!!"

Good straw-man right off the bat. Please focus to the facts at hand and leave the exaggerations for the protest signs. You aren't doing your case any favors.

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November 6, 2009 8:20 AM    in reply to Dany's View

Oh yeah, because Aetna is so concerned with your freedom...or your health. Just keep paying those premiums, dude. They'll worry about stuff like pre-existing conditions (like acne, ingrown toenails, and such) if you should ever actually get sick and submit a claim.

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November 6, 2009 9:55 AM    in reply to Dany's View

Good snark.

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November 6, 2009 11:52 AM    in reply to Dany's View

When you reach retirement age, every change is a threat to how you live. Control over your own life becomes quite tenuous. You're too old to find a job and adjust to changes in insurance and finance, medical bills get larger, prices climb generally, and your income does not go up.

In fact, for Social Security recipients on Medicare the net is going to drop next year because the Social Security is not increasing but the Medicare payment is going up 10%. [The asshole Sen. Inhoff (R - OK) refuse to go along with a Senate vote by acclamation that would have frozen the Medicare payment. For some arcane Senate crap reason, the vote had to be unanimous.]

There are no good changes for Medicare recipients. That's what the protests represent, and you ignorant kids who probably don't even speak regularly to anyone over age 50 better begin to recognize that retirement age is a very different world from the one you imagine that you understand.

That's why such a high percentage of older voters vote. The vote is an extremely important element of keeping control over life. Which is also why the 2010 elections are especially dangerous for the Democrats. The young voters who elected Obama are not likely to turn out in the off year elections, just as they apparently didn't turn out in Virginia or New Jersey last Tuesday.

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November 6, 2009 12:17 PM    in reply to Dany's View

I'm fully ok with losing the freedom to not be able to afford insurance, to be denied insurance when I could afford it because I'm hypoglycemic, and to have that coverage denied under false pretenses when I need it.

How mentally challenged do you have to be to see that those are the core issues here, and that noone wants or needs those "rights"?

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November 6, 2009 12:33 PM    in reply to Dany's View

THINK BEFORE YOU USE THE EXCLAMATION POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 1:48 PM    in reply to Dany's View

Oh, get real, Dany. You could care less about the national debt.

You are simply feeling the pain of the broken economy that the market fundies left us with and you're having your pain manipulated and channeled by power hungry rightwing cynics. Wake up my friend, you are being used by people whose only concern is regaining power so they can continue the same old corporate conservative gravy train of low wages for all, sweet heart tax deals for the rich, Wall St. deregulation and the epic concentration of wealth at the top that caused the economy to collapse in the first place.

What progressives are fighting for is an American healthcare plan that protects people from insurance extortionists and empowers people to live free of the whims of the insurance bureaucrats who profit by denying you care.

It's simply the right thing to do because in America, nobody should go broke if they get sick.

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November 6, 2009 6:22 PM    in reply to Dany's View

You'd be easier to understand if half your message weren't in capital letters. Only ignorant buffoons mix lower and upper case with such gay abandon. Are you gay?

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November 6, 2009 1:36 AM    in reply to Morbo

OHHHH, and the NON white side what well represented!!!!!! the one's that weren't there... they're probably picking up their welfare check and getting their nails did!!!!!!! the ones with common sense were there ... chanting with us....
Even THEY don't like Obama for all his broken promises!!!!! I can't stand him breaking promises he made... not his color!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 11:57 AM    in reply to Dany's View

I rather strongly doubt that "NON white side" would have been welcome there yesterday. Toleration of the "NON white side" is not something the tea baggers are famous for.

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November 5, 2009 7:25 PM   

"She exudes truth. I completely trust her. I'm glad people are seeing that Michele Bachmann has backing and that so many people believe in her."


The scene today at the Capitol Hill Tea Party probably worried incumbents of both parties.

Oh really?


I am more worried about what Kleefeld exudes thinking of Bachmann

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November 5, 2009 7:34 PM   

Like any of these loons ever voted for a Dem in their lives. These are right wing assh*les, through & though.

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November 5, 2009 7:35 PM   

""I have never heard him say the word freedom,""

It's like a 3-year-old with a security blanket.

Unreal these are adult homo sapiens.

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November 5, 2009 7:47 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

The converse is even better - they were OK with Shrub running around breaking the law because he *did* say freedom - a lot.

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November 5, 2009 7:48 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

freedom, freedom, freedom

now they love us too

I'll sleep better tonight

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November 5, 2009 9:03 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

to hear Obama say "freedom" it'd require them to actually listen.

... what would that take? Obama having a show on FOX?

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November 5, 2009 8:03 PM   

I've never felt compelled to register/comment before, but TPM's nineteen separate articles today covering a protest by the lunatic fringe seriously has me considering my readership of the site.

The factually inaccurate estimates of turnout and bizarrely enthusiastic coverage (such as the 4th paragraph of this article) don't help either -- TPM is becoming increasingly tabloid and illiberal.

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November 5, 2009 8:59 PM    in reply to Joppoi

On the contrary: it's all about snark - TPM is very liberal, snark being the liberal/over-educated version of tabloid. Come on. Admit it, it's like watching Glenn Beck - it's a guilty pleasure.

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November 5, 2009 11:22 PM    in reply to SantaMonica

No, it's not like watching Glenn Beck, and no, it's not a guilty pleasure.

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November 5, 2009 9:46 PM    in reply to Joppoi

The events today did draw the stumping and support of high-ranking Members of Congress (Boehner, Cantor). Admittedly, the coverage is a little snarky and sensational at times. But it is important to pick up on what these protesters are saying. Congressional Republicans (and some Dems) were nearly in-sync with the tea-party memes on the healthcare debates.

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November 6, 2009 12:38 PM    in reply to freshwaterluddite

Love it when a winger holds up the Constitution and reads from it's preamble from another piece of paper, which actually has the Declaration of Independence on it.

Boner would do better to actually READ the Constitution rather than waving it around like a "little white booklet."

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November 5, 2009 8:05 PM   

These folks are the same "Christians" who think Scott Roeder, Dr. Tiller's murderer, is a hero. They oppose gay marriage because they want to "preserve the sanctity of marriage." They worship Orly Taitz.

And yet they criticize us as being the ones with our heads in the sand.

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November 5, 2009 8:07 PM   

Just heard John Boner read the "Preamble to the Constitution" on KO. Except it wasn't the Constitution, he was reading from the Declaration on Independence. He needs to go back to 7th grade social studies and try to figure out what he's really talking about.

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November 6, 2009 2:09 AM    in reply to loria

Oh, my. It's hard to know whether to laugh or cry. The thing that tea-baggers will shout at you most often is "READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!" Are they really all that familiar with it themselves?

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November 6, 2009 10:13 AM    in reply to loria

LOL! Is there a single Republican who's "smarter than a 5th grader"?

Bet the kids of the show know the difference.

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November 5, 2009 8:13 PM   

I wonder how many people at that rally have some form of taxpayer funded healthcare (looked to me like they were lots of Medicare receipients and Congressman who have great healthcare funded by us).

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November 6, 2009 1:34 AM    in reply to loria

If we wanted to mooch off the government we'd vote FOR the reform... not against it!!!!! Geeesh, wonder when someone will invent some common sense pills to feed you people!!!! Why wouldn't the medicare people want this bill ... it's benefiting them just fine!!!!! It's US TAX PAYERS that are sick and tired of footing the bill for all the free loaders!!!!!!!!! And I don't want my government dictating what care they feel is worth spending money on and what not!!! I will keep paying my insurance premiums, my co-pays, and my deductibles!!!!

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November 6, 2009 7:54 AM    in reply to Dany's View

And THAT'S why we need REFORM!!!!! SINGLE PAYER!!!!! That way the FREELOADERS you mention are FORCED to PAY for insurance through their TAXES!!!!!!! It BALANCES out the RISK for EVERYONE!!!!!!!

I don't think the bill has a PROVISION for TREATMENT of habitual use of CAPITAL LETTERS and EXCLAMATION POINTS, though!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 7:00 PM    in reply to Dany's View

"I will keep paying my insurance premiums, my co-pays, and my deductibles!!!!"

Only for as long as you can keep your job and income.

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November 5, 2009 8:36 PM   

It is important to call a spade a spade. The underlying "apprehension" in almost everything is the fact Obama is not their eye-pleasing old white guide.

Questions about his birth, his patriotism, his economic or defense policy the concern here is they don't think a black man can serve for the interest of white folks.

Taxes, healthcare or climate change they just think all policies are to take away money from the white folks and give to black people. Socialism is a code word for the fear, stoked and provoked by Bachmanns and Becks: Obama will take away from them and give it to black people.

Many of them for generations have believed they are more of a American than other colors of the country- Obama is the huge cognitive dissonance.

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November 5, 2009 10:08 PM    in reply to kash79

Many of them for generations have believed they are more of a American

I agree. I think they've believed they are in control. That, as an entitlement. I know they prefer to call it "freedom" or "independence" (or whatever fancy names which serve as ideological divices to justify them), but I think it's more like a raw sense of control.

But the reality is their pay won't go up (rather go down), or even their jobs are gone, they find themselves moving down, doing not even so well as their parents' generation. In the meantime, they see everyone else, minorities, women, gays and lesbians, etc, is moving up (that's how they see things anyway regardless of facts). As you say, Obama is an ultimate symbol of this shifting landscape in front of them, and in their mind, the world seems to stop being the one as they long know it. A textbook case of relative deprivation.

When a sense of losing control turns to fear and anger, someone got to fill that void (where Backmann & Co sneak in), and someone must be to blame (Obama, his liberal friends, and everyone else "moving up").

It is important to call a spade a spade.

Yes, but the administration has been very careful so it won't be framed in racial terms. And I think they are right in their approach.

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November 6, 2009 1:42 AM    in reply to geofu54

IT ISN'T RACIAL !!!!!!!! It's that WE want someone FOR the people... not FOR government control!!!!!! Pink, Purple, Black, or White...... WE don't care.... WE WANT MORALS in ANY flippin color!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 10:06 AM    in reply to Dany's View

Right...there's nothing racial at all about this. You do realize that ten minutes prior to that comment you typed this one:

OHHHH, and the NON white side what well represented!!!!!! the one's that weren't there... they're probably picking up their welfare check and getting their nails did!!!!!!!

I must say, your comments on this story illustrate the insanity of this "movement" better than we ever could.

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November 6, 2009 3:55 PM    in reply to hunter

Not to mention its general level of ignorance.

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November 6, 2009 12:21 PM    in reply to geofu54

Geofu54, you describe it well.

The problem is that the protesters feel they are losing the control they think they earned through their efforts and genius (and think they deserve for their all-American WASPness.)

The government is supposed to maintain that control for them, so they are focusing their anger on the government and on those who are taking government away from them.

The wealthy oligarchs are using the media to focus that fear and anger to protect and augment their wealth and social status. They've already bought most of Congress, and had total control over the Presidency under Cheney and the ignorant Bush. Murdoch and Clear Channel Radio are examples of the control of the media by wealth. They are the ones fighting against health care reform, and they are close to winning.

The oligarchs are using propaganda methods and channels to cause the frightened population to support their wealth-grabbing tax-cuts and government contracts.

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November 5, 2009 9:12 PM   

It's fun to look at these hypocrites but look at the pictures... look at the crowd... when they release their photos to brag, just look closely and count the heads that aren't white.

They used to gather at these social events and lynch people for real. Now they're reduced to screaming nonsense about ACORN and holding posters of people in blackface.

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November 5, 2009 9:53 PM   

Wow! This is the Meca for hate speech. It seem, by the heavey use of profanity this blog is mostly youngsters and mommy in not in the room.
I cant wait to see President Stupidly blame..............Who ?
Come on all together now, _________________ !

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November 6, 2009 12:24 AM    in reply to hawaiian

Calling people stupid while simultaneously misspelling words and writing grammatically incomprehensible sentences is the epitome of internet fail.

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November 6, 2009 1:29 AM    in reply to punkdavid

I guess if you realized this in not about a spelling bee, but about common sense which most of you commenting are obviously lacking!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 9:07 AM    in reply to Dany's View

Show us some common sense, then.

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November 6, 2009 11:09 AM    in reply to sj

Uncommon sense would be welcome too. In fact, any sense at all would be refreshing.

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November 6, 2009 12:42 PM    in reply to Dany's View

oooh, only FIVE exclamation points this time. Is you're key breaking down from repeated stabbing it with your index finger?

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November 5, 2009 10:40 PM   

Teabaggers: Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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November 6, 2009 10:17 AM    in reply to cheneyisadick

Also, "A tale told by an idiot" as well. Don't want to forget Bachman.

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November 5, 2009 10:43 PM   

I have to laugh at how ill-informed these people are. For example, the 'Reagan conservative' who is angry about the deficit.

Whoops! Let's not remind him that Reagan TRIPLED the deficit during his day. Carumba.

Not to mention the 'Keep govt hands off my medicare' crowd. Unbelievable.

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November 5, 2009 11:18 PM   

You know what's tragic?

"in many cases, ill-informed" is either 4 or 5 words, but it is the heart of the article. It is the difference between all of us joining them or pitying and fearing them.

The fact that the crowds shouting sneering, hateful slogans and accusing their fellow Americans of war thoughtcrimes believe falsehoods is absolutely vital, yet it seems almost incidental, even in an article written by one of our own.

Now you know how we atheists feel when someone who believes in fairy tales tells us how offended they are by our skepticism.

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November 6, 2009 12:03 AM   

I wish Democrats could get it through their heads that Wall Street is toxic. That sentiment appears to be cross-ideological. Corzine was unpopular in part because he came from Goldman Sachs. The party that decides to buck the financial lobbyists will pick off a lot of votes that would normally go to the other party. I'm not referring just to legislating, but the party that succeeds in using the financial corporations as whipping boys will help itself a year from now. If Democrats to do that, and the economy continues to improve, they have a chance to defy history and pick up seats next year, not merely limit losses.

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November 6, 2009 12:40 PM    in reply to ericf

The problem is that Wall Street is the central focus for control by the wealthy oligarchs. They literally create their own money there, send their children to Wall Street to work, and they use the markets to gain control of the business organizations that are important to them.

They have used Wall Street to gain at least partial control of the major city newspapers not run by families, of the TV and cable networks and of the state and local governments. Wall Street funds are either directly or indirectly the source of most of the lobbyists in Washington and in every state capital.

That's why our government is controlled by money instead of by the voters. The wealthy oligarchical families want it that way. John McCain, for example, first married a wealthy woman, and then her family bought him his Senate seat. He has paid them back a hundred times over for their investment.

Guess why the current incumbents will not vote for public financing of elections. Guess why Wall Street hates that idea. Guess which way FOX (Murdoch) leans on that idea.

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November 6, 2009 12:39 AM   

"I don't trust him or anything about him" means one simple thing:

"I am a howling bigot and I can't abide his black skin in the White House."

That's it.

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November 6, 2009 1:50 AM    in reply to Overreach THIS!

Because he LIES anytime he opens his mouth!!!! What happended to not hiding information... open book..... RIGHT ... that's why everything happens behind closed doors and the media can only report what HE says they can!!! Where are all those jobs he promised??? Unemployment rates are STILL climbing!!!!!!! What about anything he's promised????? Have you seen anything that is helping this country yet???? I HAVEN'T !!!! THAT's why WE don't trust him!!!! Not for COLOR or anything else!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 2:21 AM    in reply to Dany's View

Dany, dear, you have used up your daily quota of exclamation points, and you're running your capital letter allotment low, too. See if you can make your arguments without shouting at people.

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November 6, 2009 5:04 AM    in reply to Dany's View

If you are suffering from unemployment, I do sympathize. I hope you get that worked out as soon as possible.

*Many* of us are, as you know. You can not name, without explanation points, any one lie, not one, by President Obama. He faces difficulties, only a small part of which is created by people like you. But he has never lied to us, not even once and you can't coherently name any exception because none exists.

This "we don't trust him" thing is based in one common factor. You don't trust him because he's different. Because he's black.

I hope you get a job if you need one, and I hope you stop being a patsy of concealed investment interests that bus people like you around to exploit you in order for them to get themselves richer.

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November 6, 2009 10:23 AM    in reply to Dany's View

You are a master snarkist for keeping it up this long.

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November 6, 2009 11:12 AM    in reply to Dorn76

You're way too generous with your credit.

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November 6, 2009 3:37 PM    in reply to Dorn76

to quote dick day "hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha"!

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November 6, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to Dany's View

Danny - do you hear what you are saying?? You are complaining that he promised to create jobs while at the same time asking for smaller government and less government control. Can you see the hypocricy in this??

Small Government = no government intervention in the market
Government creating jobs = Government intervention in the market
Govt intervention in the Market = Big Government
Big government = Government take-over (in your world)

So which is it?? You want him to create jobs or you want limited government control??? You want Obama to create jobs, but i assume you are against the stimulus package, correct??

Furthermore, i doubt you voted for Obama, so why are you so angry that he broke his promises (which you have yet to name a single one)??? Also he promised Healthcare reform but you seem to be against that. Him trying to pass HCR is him trying to keep his promise, right??

Please site some specific examples/facts in your next post abut broken promises or whatever you are mad about. I would truly like to understand your side.

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November 6, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to Dany's View

Danny - do you hear what you are saying?? You are complaining that he promised to create jobs while at the same time asking for smaller government and less government control. Can you see the hypocricy in this??

Small Government = no government intervention in the market
Government creating jobs = Government intervention in the market
Govt intervention in the Market = Big Government
Big government = Government take-over (in your world)

So which is it?? You want him to create jobs or you want limited government control??? You want Obama to create jobs, but i assume you are against the stimulus package, correct??

Furthermore, i doubt you voted for Obama, so why are you so angry that he broke his promises (which you have yet to name a single one)??? Also he promised Healthcare reform but you seem to be against that. Him trying to pass HCR is him trying to keep his promise, right??

Please site some specific examples/facts in your next post abut broken promises or whatever you are mad about. I would truly like to understand your side.

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November 6, 2009 12:42 AM   

"The scene today at the Capitol Hill Tea Party probably worried incumbents of both parties."

This sounds like total speculative journalism, without any quotes from political aides. I liken this to Politico, which often sources tea party activists without any comment from Republican aides.

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November 6, 2009 12:44 AM   

MoJo has a good (and non-sensational) sum-up.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-partys-takeover-gop

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November 6, 2009 1:37 AM   

"the overall vibe was anti-incumbent"

A suggestion: Since we are being asked to believe this was the "overall vibe," maybe an example or five would be appropriate here. Exactly nothing cited in this post supports this assertion. Even the one person described as holding a sign reading "No incumbents in 2010" belies that by revealing he only wants people who vote for the stimulus bill or HCR out. That's hardly a categorical indictment of incumbents. Everyone else quoted or paraphrased is either specifically anti-Obama, anti-Pelosi, anti-abortion, pro-Bachmann (pretty sure she's an incumbent), or believes some Republicans aren't "conservative" enough.

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November 6, 2009 2:16 AM   

But they vote? So do I and I am informed and not halfbaked.

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November 6, 2009 10:13 AM   

http://www.georgehutchins.com/ in 2010. Be afraid, be very afraid, and try not to laugh too hard.

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November 6, 2009 11:09 AM    in reply to An Outhouse

Well, now we know Dany's View's real name.

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November 6, 2009 11:15 AM    in reply to An Outhouse

Damn near peed myself laughing!

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November 6, 2009 12:26 PM    in reply to An Outhouse

That's worse than a 13 year old's MySpace...

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November 6, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to An Outhouse

My favorite is IMAGES DO NOT IMPLY ENDORSEMENTS underneath the picture of Elizabeth Dole. (But I'd never endorse Dole anyway.)

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November 6, 2009 7:06 PM    in reply to bracken

My favorite images were the travel snapshots of Windsor Castle covered with (in large letters with various blindingly bright colors):

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WINDSOR CASTLE, ENGLAND

Headquarters of the British Government during the Time of:
SIR WALTER RALEIGH

Raleigh, North Carolina is named after an ENGLISH KNIGHT:
SIR WALTER RALEIGH

2006
www.georgehutchins.com
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It's a true WTF???? moment.

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November 6, 2009 6:55 PM    in reply to An Outhouse

George Hutchins, he loves, the comma!!!! SOLUTE!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 12:33 PM   

I was emailed this artical by the proud mother of Christi Becker, who you all are portraying as some type of uneducated lunatic racist. Christi and I are in our 40's and she is an educated gifted artist who has never taken a handout from anyone. She is a caring mom and gives freely of her time to her children's schools, church and charities. If she wasn't my life long friend and I didn't know her better, you would all have me believing she was just another "conservative nut case". You dismiss anyone who dares question anything that Obama and Congress try to intimidate everyone into going along with as raging right wing uniformed racist lunatics. The ignorance and hostility of your tone is frightening.

I would have loved to be present at the rally, if nothing else to feel a little less powerless about what feels like a hopeless situation. What Obama and Congress are doing with this health bill and the stimulus is the equivalent of someone refinancing their home to pay their bills and get back on track, only to take on more debt and not be able pay the mortgage and to lose the whole house in the process...or paying off the credit cards only to take on the new debt of paying them off and then immediately running up all the balances again. In the end, someone is going to have to pay everything back or it will all come down like a house of cards.

I don't doubt that there is a lot of good things that the health bill aims to do...I also want to go take my kids to Disney World, but the reality is we are better using the money to pay off some of our debt and looking for other more economical alternatives to entertain our kids vs Disney World. Just as we are asking Obama and Congress to consider other alternatives to our current econonmic and health care problems.

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November 6, 2009 12:51 PM    in reply to Concerned Citizen

Thank you, and I mean it, for your sincere comment. Times ARE scary, for almost all of us, and so it is natural to BE scared.

However, I sincerely believe that the time for the government to spend is when it is the only entity that can. I believe many, many more jobs would have been lost without the stimulus.

And I'm always amazed that people like yourself do not recognize that the current mess was brought about by years and years of "deregulation" of Wall Street, and by the last Administration's huge spending spree while cutting the taxes on those very people (the ultra-wealthy) who were taking unnecessary financial risk AND getting paid ridiculous amounts to do so.

Yes, this will all have to be paid back, but now is not the time. And when this recession IS over, will you support higher taxes (when Americans can actually afford to pay them) to get the country back on better footing?

No? I didn't think so.

It is the RIGHT WING that wants the free lunch.

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November 6, 2009 12:59 PM    in reply to Concerned Citizen

"Just as we are asking Obama and Congress to consider other alternatives to our current econonmic and health care problems."

Such as? Other than being the party of No.

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November 6, 2009 1:18 PM    in reply to Concerned Citizen

Concerned,

It's pretty clear that Michelle Bachman is a nutcase. I don't think that even conservative applies to her. So if Christie Becker says she "...is a strong supporter of Rep. Michele Bachmann. "She exudes truth. I completely trust her," " then it is going to be hard to conclude that Christie Becker is anything other than a conservative nutcase herself.

Christie may be a talented artist, but if she accepts the strange historical allusions that Bachman throws around then Christie's education is clearly inadequate.

The trouble with the health care bill is that it is not just "a good thing to do." Health care costs are out of control, and are displacing critical expenditures in the rest of the economy while doing a thoroughly inadequate job of keeping the work force capable of producing world class products. The problems are in the basic structure of the system, and that has to change.

The cost of changing the system now will be less than the cost of not changing the system now. But the private health insurers don't what it changed because they are ripping off Americans right and left. The proposed changes will prevent a lot of the ripoffs while allowing the system to deliver the medical care where it is really needed. The "other alternatives" you want considered have been considered since WW II and they have repeatedly failed.

There is a reason why LBJ, Clinton and Obama went to restructure health care almost as soon as they took office. That's because health care financing is a major flaw in the American economy and is destructive to the American society. It has to be fixed, and soon.

Did you realize that even Mexico is at present implementing its universal health care plan? How far behind the world should America drop? Letting Mexico pass us on health care system is pretty bad.

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November 7, 2009 9:38 AM    in reply to Richardxx

I've enjoyed reading all of your posts. Having attended several TEA parties, it is quite clear that many here are misinformed and do not understand the purpose and meaning of these rallies. Yes. Yes. I know. I'm an ignorant, uneducated, racist.(lol).

Nonetheless, out of a sense of fairness, I thought it appropriate to reply with this one statement. Know your enemy.

Take a break from grammatically correct hate speech and analyze the unemployment numbers. These numbers are more than just a little alarming. Doesn't it seem odd that unemployment rates are rising along with GDP? Perhaps, instead of pointing fingers at concerned patriots, a more "intelligent" approach would be look at the numbers and ask the question. Why?

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November 7, 2009 10:13 AM   

I am grateful for the oppotunity and forum to express what I think. I do not choose to call people "ignorant, inadiquately educated, lunatic fringe, nutcase, or racist" because people who do that only make themselves look smaller. I do not believe in blanketing opinions with use of insulting words to make my point look stronger. There is much sarcasm in people's comments. The word sarcasm comes from a Greek word that means "to tear flesh". To me that says a lot. How does anyone know what color I am or what race I am? Why am I painted with a brush of being a racist when I said nothing racist? I often quote Martin Luther King Jr. when he said, "Judge man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character." At the end of the day I am at peace with my actions and efforts as a mother, U.S. citizen, wife, artist, teacher, and Christian. Other people's opinions of me are none of my business, I only wanted to see if there was any constructive conversation sparked by something I said. I wish you all well in your efforts to live and let live. - Christi Becker

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