Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid faces a number of obstacles to passing health care reform but his main task is to keep his caucus united for not one, but two, supermajority votes, just to get the reform bill an up or down on the Senate floor. Failure to get 60 votes to push past either of those two procedural chokepoints could derail the reform bill. Here are the six key holdouts Reid must wrangle to reach the magic threshold.
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) is by most measures the most conservative Democrat in the Senate. On almost all major legislation, Nelson digs his heels in and withholds his cloture vote until the bill moves to the right, and has a few Republican supporters. Health care is a bit of a sui generis issue for Democrats, so at the end of the day he may not be so intransigent. But for the time being, he says he wants Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) on board for whatever bill comes to the floor, and that means he's opposed to the the public option Reid is proposing. He also opposes the bill's likely funding mechanism--an excise tax on generous "cadillac" health insurance policies. Reid's first task is to simply get the bill on to the floor for debate. He'll need 60 votes for that, and Nelson says he won't commit one way or another until the CBO weighs in and the bill is unveiled.
Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
As a rule, Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) may not be as ideological as Nelson is. But she's got a problem on her hands right now that Nelson doesn't. She's an unpopular senator in a conservative state and she's up for re-election next year. Unlike Nelson (or Joe Lieberman, who we'll get to momentarily) securing Lincoln's procedural vote is a nuts-and-bolts political problem. How do you get her into a position where she (and the Democratic party) feels her seat isn't particularly imperiled by votes for health care reform. Last week, she met with both Reid and President Obama. Those conversations will surely continue.
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) is also from a conservative state. And, like Nelson and Lincoln, her preference is for a bill that has Snowe's support. But there's at least one reason to believe she may not be the hardest vote to get: She just won re-election. She has until 2014 before her votes for or against health care reform will come back to haunt or help her. In other words, it will be harder for her to make a straightforward political argument to party elders for standing in the way of a health care bill--and there may already be signs of softening. Though she says still opposes the public option without a trigger, last week, she conceded "The public option, because of the moderates, and because of what I've been helping to do and other moderates, has been shaped, in our view, 100 percent better than when it started out. It's already shaped to be a public option that is supported by premiums." And earlier in the week, she co-hosted a pro-reform event on the hill with a number of small-business owners. Still, like Nelson and Lincoln, she says she won't decide on her first procedural vote until the bill is unveiled and the CBO has weighed in.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
Reporters and pundits have been obsessed with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) since he first announced his intent to support a health care filibuster if the bill includes a public option. And with good reason. Unlike Nelson, Landrieu, and Lincoln, he's been crystal clear about his intentions. Reid says he and Lieberman haven't reached an understanding, but that he's not terribly worried about Lieberman in the long run. Maybe that's right. Maybe it's bluster. But if Lieberman is just showboating, he's digging himself a pretty deep ditch. "If the public option plan is in there, as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote because I believe debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today," Lieberman said on Fox News this weekend. That argument doesn't make sense on a substantive level--the public option is a big money saver, and the government would have to change the law (i.e. find 60 votes) to subsidize it in a way that adds to the debt. But even if his justification makes no sense, there's no wiggle room to his threat. However, Lieberman's constituents will be paying attention--unlike those listed above, Lieberman comes from a liberal state--and for the time being, Lieberman says he's likely to vote for the first procedural motion, but against the second one. That means Reid (and perhaps the White House) have a few weeks before they need to start twisting his arm.
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) raised liberal hackles a couple weeks ago when he said he planned to treat procedural and substantive votes on health care equally--in other words, he would filibuster any bill he didn't agree with on the merits. But he quickly, though only partially, relented, when he said he would at the very least vote to move the bill to the floor for debate regardless of whether or not he likes the legislation itself. Bayh's main concern isn't the public option--it's the fiscal soundness of the plan. But he also says he objects to some of the fees the bill would likely impose on industry--particularly medical device manufacturers--and it's conceivable that he could use a filibuster threat to change, or attempt to change, some of those provisions down the line.
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND)
It wasn't all that long ago that Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) was a public option scold. These days, he's not nearly so vocal. He made a concerted (and ultimately successful) push to prevent the public option from being tied to Medicare, and, since then, he's been careful not to speak out too loudly against the weaker public option Reid put in the bill. But, like Bayh, he will become a quick 'no' if the bill Reid unveils isn't deficit neutral, and a cost-saver in the long term. The Senate Finance Committee bill succeeded on that score. If the changes Reid made in the merger process make the bill a budget buster, he'd likely lose Conrad's support, and many others' as well. That's one reason to think Reid took care to make sure this doesn't happen.
It's worth remembering that there are liberal members of the Senate--most notably Roland Burris (D-IL) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT)--who could defect on procedural votes if the bill moves too far to the right. But for the time being, Reid's goal is to bring conservative Dems aboard. If by doing so, he puts the bill in jeopardy of being killed by liberals, we'll put together a similar list of progressive swing votes.

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kash79
November 9, 2009 1:52 PM
Do we kmow how much longer it may take before CBO estimates are released for the senate bill?
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Indie Pro
November 9, 2009 1:57 PM
It's worth remembering that there are liberal members of the Senate
laughable.
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baba2nde
November 9, 2009 4:05 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Laughable not. The art of compromise cuts both ways. Heaping attention on these six may awaken the silent 54 giants. That could spell real trouble.
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Indie Pro
November 9, 2009 4:39 PM in reply to baba2nde
hold your breath
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freshwaterluddite
November 9, 2009 2:02 PM
Any word on whether Sherrod Brown would join Burris and/or Sanders?
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kash79
November 9, 2009 2:09 PM in reply to freshwaterluddite
I don't think Brown or even Sanders would walk-in with an intention to kill it. To put it in a different way, they will walk-in with a real intent to pass the bill. Coz, despite their positions both of them are aware how legislative process works and will make compromises.
Burris is of course the renegade.
I wish Harry would grow some balls and go for reconciliation, otherwise I'm afraid too much have to be compromised on the existing bill to get any of these 6 conservatives on board.
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Walter Mitty
November 9, 2009 2:03 PM
Work to peel off one at a time, there is strength in numbers and six are more likely to filibuster than 1-2.
I think Nelson and Lieberman are the real problems. Lincoln will commit political suicide if she filibusters, Bayh will kill his Presidential aspirations, Landrieu was just re-elected, I can't see her voting against her party when her vote now wouldn't be held politically against her for five more years. I can't see an opponent running on "Sen. Landrieu voted for cloture on the Health Reform Bill six years ago..."
As mentioned Burris could be a real problem as he has nothing to lose, and would love the publicity of his grand stand.
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bvd
November 9, 2009 2:11 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Nah, Burris won't be a problem. Just promise him an additional wing of grandeur on his mausoleum and he'll go along with anything.
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tosh
November 9, 2009 2:08 PM
Senator Wellpoint (D-IN) did a 180 turn the evening that Rachel and Glenn Greenwald talked about his Mrs. Wellpoint's close ties to Big Health.
Prior to the comments about procedural votes, he had done his best to work behind the scenes for his beloved Big Health donors (and employer's of his wife). It had been a wise move as he always presented himself as a "... And Others" when people talked about the number of Dems who might not vote for cloture.
He had a moment of slipping, perhaps misreading the tealeaves or getting desperate that Ben-Ben and Blanche weren't being as forceful in making public statements about the cloture vote. So he tried to give them some backbone, mostly forcing their hands since Blance is more at risk than he is. If you read between the lines, his comment about procedural votes being treated the same way as final votes was aimed directly at Blanche, and what she'll be hearing in a General Election from the GOP.
What he didn't get was that someone like Rachel was sitting there waiting for such a slip. And if you're going to roast Bayh's balls, there really isn't a better guest to have than Glenn. He's a master of martialling the facts, and he also has ZERO concerns about exposing Dems (up to and including our current President) when they need exposing. And the two of them, with Rachel tossing up the questions and Glenn pounding them all over the yard, did a number on Bayh.
So the *very next day*, Senator Wellpoint did his 180 and completely backed off his comments of supporting a GOP filibuster.
At this point, there is ZERO chance that he'll vote against cloture. He always wanted coverage of a Gang so that he could be the 3rd or 4th or 5th to vote against cloture. But at this point, he does see the risk: despite his massive war chest, he will be an easy target if he openly is seen as one of the Senators who brought down Healthcare, or one of the key things that much of the Dem base wants (public option).
Instead, he's back to working behind the scenes giving Lying Lieb more support for his Stand of Principle while also trying to get Nelson and Blanche to support Lieb so that Lieb doesn't have to go it alone. And of course he's working to get the bill futher watered down, a constant effort on his part.
He's a crafty player behind the scenes... though not nearly as crafty as he thinks he is.
John
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AJM
November 9, 2009 2:09 PM
They probably have Nelson's vote on the basis of the Stupak amendment. Nelson is virulently Right to Life.
Blanche Lincoln is another question. She is strongly pro-choice and had support from Emily's List. She cannot afford to lose any support. If she votes for anything with the Stupak Amemdment in it there is a good chance that she is toast.
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slb
November 9, 2009 2:44 PM in reply to AJM
I don't know; I get the idea that it's likely to be either HCR with the Stupak Amendment, or no HCR at all. The House has approved it, the Senate is not likely to insist that it be stripped out in reconciliation, and the president is not likely to veto a historic bill on his signature issue over that provision.
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tosh
November 9, 2009 3:58 PM in reply to slb
There's some doubt about that. After getting what he wanted, it was a little more clear that Stupak was bluffing that he had the votes to kill the healthcare bill entirely. If it's not in the bill coming out of conference, it's unlikely he'll be able to wrestle up the votes to keep it from passing.
John
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calchala
November 9, 2009 2:10 PM
You forgot Nelson is against the antitrust exemption repealing for insurance. He was a former insurance commissioner, so this makes sense. Reid is accomodating him by taking that measure out of the bill.
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Newt
November 9, 2009 2:11 PM
Of course Lieberman doesn't want a public option, he works in the insurance capital of the U.S.
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DKDC
November 9, 2009 2:12 PM
CBO score probable by the end of this week.
Tell these distinguished ladies and gents that if they vote against final cloture Senate leadership will introduce the House bill under reconciliation instructions for a simple majority vote - threaten them with being seen as both obstructionist AND irrelevant....
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stillidealistic
November 9, 2009 2:15 PM
Talk about trying to herd cats...You couldn't pay me to be Harry Reid right now.
Those dems who fear this is a bad bill, may not have to worry. Passage is far from a slam dunk. In fact, given that it has the potential to get tanked both from the right AND the left, it will be a small miracle if it does pass.
Hold onto your hats, this is going to be a wild ride!
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 9, 2009 2:16 PM
In a lot of ways, Lincoln is the one who baffles me most. Does she really think she'll insulate herself from Republican attacks by killing this bill? I simply cannot fathom how any Democrat can still believe that objective reality has any connection to what Republicans will say about you during an election.
Obama apparently made a version of that argument to the House Dems. A bunch apparently just couldn't believe it from him, either.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 2:22 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
As I've said many times, given a choice between a Democrat who votes like a Republican and a real Republican, voters will almost always choose the real Republican. Lincoln is in danger of triangulating herself right out of a job. She'd be far better hitching her wagon to the Dems at this point. I think she'll gain far more votes by voting for it than she will by voting against it.
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AJM
November 9, 2009 2:53 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
A sub-set of her votes are pro-choice women. Probably both Republican and Democratic. She stands to lose those votes if she votes for anything with the Stupak Amendment in it.
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Xantar
November 9, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Well, your first mistake was assuming that Blanche Lincoln is thinking clearly, rationally and strategically in any way. Everything I've read about her behavior can be explained if you assume that she's scared out of her gourd and is only thinking about surviving the next five minutes, never mind the next six years.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 9, 2009 2:51 PM in reply to Xantar
Explains observed facts, makes testable predictions. Can't ask for more than that from a model.
Fear of losing drives all politicians. The rejection inherent in losing an election is a bitter, bitter thing for social creatures like ourselves. But I'd have more sympathy for them if I'd ever heard of a single incumbent Senator or Representative who ended up homeless and eating out of dumpsters after losing an election.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 3:03 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
One of the difficulties for someone like Lincoln is that most of the changes in these bills don't take effect until long after the 2010 elections, so there won't be any tangible benefits to run on.
Ultimately, the 2010 elections will turn on economic conditions next fall, so I think Lincoln is worrying about the wrong thing. If jobs creation picks up and unemployment starts dropping, the Dems will have the wind at their backs no matter where they are, while the Limbaugh Party will be reduced to insisting the economy would have recovered faster with their "plan". If unemployment is still high, health care reform won't save them.
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wwstaebler
November 9, 2009 4:44 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
As a case in point in support of your statement, Google Arthur Ravenel, Jr. of South Carolina, who built his city of Charleston a new bridge (named for him) and then campaigned the last time with no intention of actually running to win, but rather, campaigned to fill his coffers with money that he might partially keep as part of his "retirement plan."
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fbacon2
November 9, 2009 2:37 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I think the big problem for Lincoln is something common to a lot of politicians who make the Senate: the thought they could actually lose and be knocked off their perch is inconceivable. Concluding that a vote amounts to choosing the least bad strategic option politically and letting the voters judge you for doing the right thing may require a level of emotional maturity and perspective that's disqualifying to serve in high office.
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CJ
November 9, 2009 2:21 PM
You guys previously reported that Bayh and Conrad both said that they would not filibuster the opt-out.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 2:30 PM in reply to CJ
Both these guys have been making a lot of noise about cost. Reading between the lines it sounds to me like they're setting themselves up an excuse to vote Aye when the CBO scoring comes out favorably, as we all assume it will.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 9, 2009 3:05 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Both have been confronted by the inconvenient truth that the CBO consistently show that the public option reduces the cost of the bill to the government. In both cases they just waved it off in "I hear noises like noises like words coming from your mouth but you're talking gibberish so I'll just say the same think I said before" fashion.
Joe is planning another backstab, but, cowardly little shit that he is, he's not going to do it alone. If he can't drag at least one of the others in, he's not going to have the guts to do it.
I think the lot of them are thinking this way, to some extent.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 3:31 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I'm not so sure Joe wouldn't be the lone hold-out. He might like it that way - then he gets the whole spotlight himself. I think Harry Reid knows Lieberman pretty well. His comments on Joe's threats are pretty dismissive, as if he knows that giving more attention to them just encourages him. Maybe it's just happy talk, but Reid doesn't seem worried about Lieberman, suggesting he knows (or at least thinks he knows) how to get to him.
Landrieu, Conrad and Bayh are already telegraphing that they'll go along - each got something they said they wanted. Lincoln is getting tremendous pressure, and I think she'll ultimately crack. That leaves Nelson and Lieberman - they'll be the toughest nuts to crack.
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Matt Jones
November 9, 2009 2:28 PM
The senators worried about re-election should be reminded that if they can't even control their "conservative" tendencies long enough to vote for cloture, there's $3.5 million out there for their primary opponents. Voting against the final bill is one thing, but going with the "we want an up or down vote except when we don't" Rethugs to block the bill getting that far is a betrayal of their party.
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ottis
November 9, 2009 2:28 PM
It is a crying shame that any of these publicity hogs would let the people of this country down. They all know that we cannot count on any republican to support a common citizen.
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John Hamilton Farr
November 9, 2009 2:41 PM
KILL THE BILL! Not one cent to aggrandize the insurance companies. We need single-payer and we need it now. For my part, I hope none of these six caves.
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kash79
November 9, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to John Hamilton Farr
The only way you'll get a single payer "now" is if Kucinich declares his congressional district a separate country and who already kinda live there.
More seriously, your irrational appeal and misplaced anger is no more useful than a bag of fresh vomit.
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slb
November 9, 2009 2:50 PM in reply to John Hamilton Farr
Oh, sure -- far better we should go another 10 years before we have another chance to reform a badly broken health care system than to implement anything that isn't a complete progressive wet dream.
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elle a
November 9, 2009 3:03 PM in reply to John Hamilton Farr
are you kidding? kill the bill...lol its almost laughable in its abject stupidity.
there will never be single payer in america. deal with it.
the idea that you can get single payer when you are having such myriad problems with an ordinary public option..like i said, laughable.
tell me again, how the rest of the world hates america for their "freedoms"
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truthspeaker
November 9, 2009 3:13 PM in reply to John Hamilton Farr
With all due respect John Hamilton Farr, you're an idiot.
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Dorn76
November 9, 2009 3:51 PM in reply to John Hamilton Farr
And unicorns for all the little girls, too!
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rmrice
November 9, 2009 4:58 PM in reply to Dorn76
No unicorns for little girls if little boys don't get them as well!!!! >:(
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NotaGOP
November 10, 2009 11:57 AM in reply to rmrice
But only if it doesn't increase the deficit!
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colbito
November 9, 2009 2:43 PM
I think some of these Senators should watch out that a vote against health care might encourage retribution from fringe far left candidates entering races and siphoning off a few % points they might need in a general election against Republicans....
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AJM
November 9, 2009 2:56 PM in reply to colbito
This tactic is also available to the pro-choice forces if the Stupak Amendment remains in the bill.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 3:08 PM in reply to AJM
You're like a broken record. I'm looking out my window and I don't see hoards of people with torches and signs protesting. It's not the show-stopper you make it out to be. It's one of many imperfections that inevitably make their way into the sausage.
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obamaman
November 9, 2009 4:34 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
yeah, well if it remains in the sausage you're going to be denying a whole lot of women the ability to obtain insurance coverage for a perfectly legal procedure. Have you even read the amendment?
but hey, go ahead and treat it like it's no big deal, and see how your precious elections work out for you next year.
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obamaman
November 9, 2009 4:39 PM in reply to obamaman
p.s. you don't need hoards with pitchforks outside your window for negative consequences--just women who stay home next November because they aren't stupid and they'll be able to see that Democrats don't respect women any more than Republicans do.
Read the amendment, it's terrible.
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AJM
November 9, 2009 6:35 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
I think some of the Representatives have consulted their consciences and looked out their windows. The following is from Greg Sargent's Plum Line and I do not know why it has not been reported here:
In a move that will intensify the coming war over how to treat abortion in the health care bill, more than three dozen House Dems have signed a letter to Nancy Pelosi firmly pledging to vote against the bill if it contains an anti-abortion amendment.
A source sends over a working copy of the letter without the signatories, and the source says it currently bears the signatures of 41 House Dems. They’re all vowing to vote No on a bill if it contains the Stupak amendment — enough to sink the bill:
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Tanjaoui
November 9, 2009 11:09 PM in reply to AJM
Which must make Orahma kind of nervous.
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Clavis
November 9, 2009 2:54 PM
It's too bad that these heel-draggers have nothing that can be held over their heads. I mean, it's not surprising that Machiavellian scum like Lieberman have so arranged things that they're being taken care of without having to actually be a part of the group he caucuses with.
Funny how the only people who don't have leverage to strong-arm legislators are the people fighting for American principles and ethics. The only people who are ever asked to suck it up and compromise are the only people who aren't already on the take.
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NotaGOP
November 10, 2009 12:15 PM in reply to Clavis
Maybe there's nothing that can be used against Joe the Traitor, but he does have that one Chairmanship of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. And the ranking Republican is Susan Collins -- who is one of the few Republicans left who is not part of their conservative wing.
Do you think that if Lieberman successfully filibustered this bill, that the next point of business would be for a vote to replace him as chair with the ranking Republican? I don't think there are that many Republicans who would vote to that kind of deal. And replacing Lieberman with Collins wouldn't make things that much worse in the Senate for the Dems form here to the end of this session.
Just something Reid might want to explain to Lieberman just before the vote. A parable with the moral that "this time scorpion, if you sting me this frog won't drown -- but you will."
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slb
November 9, 2009 2:54 PM
"If the public option plan is in there, as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote..."
Hogwash. Lieberman has no conscience. If he votes against cloture, it will not be out of conscience but out of financial self-interest.
Come to think of it, I guess self-interest is what passes for Joe Lieberman's conscience.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 9, 2009 3:26 PM in reply to slb
I don't think you're being fair to Joe. I really don't think he cares much about money. I think he cares only about Joe, and Joe, and Joe, and Joe again and how to fill the bottomless pit that is Joe's need to feel powerful and important.
Well, that and doing whatever the far right in Israel wants.
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rwc
November 9, 2009 5:29 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Yea, that about covers it.
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BronxInTN
November 9, 2009 2:54 PM
Unless Reid and Obama effectively threaten the use of the reconciliation alternative in the Senate, then any bill getting 60 votes in the Senate will be critically and maybe even hopelessly flawed. Reid has to tell these Senators that they are better off going with what they don't like in his current melded bill. If these senators insist on no public option in a Senate version, then Reid should tell them that the House-Senate conference committee bill will be less to their liking than the current version, and he will push for the reconciliation route on the conference version.
If Reid and Obama don't threaten reconciliation at this point, then they have already telegraphed that these senators are in control of the process and not the White House.
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kash79
November 9, 2009 2:57 PM in reply to BronxInTN
Well put. While Pelosi had fewer choices, I don;t see why Harry has to compromise or a already compromised bill when he has a option of reconcilliation.
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truthspeaker
November 9, 2009 3:26 PM in reply to BronxInTN
Its about time. Too many hours have been spent on just this one item in the Presidents agenda of change. Get on with it. Strip Lieberman of his chairmanship, and irrespective of whether any of these three vote for the resultant bill or not, make sure that they are not supported in any future primaries. They are not worthy of the name 'Democrat', mainly b/c there is a time to stand up to the principles of the party, and now more than ever is such a time.
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rwc
November 9, 2009 5:32 PM in reply to BronxInTN
And who's to say this isn't what the WH wants? There is a lot of evidence that the WH is actually siding with the Conservadems and Snowe on the PO.
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BronxInTN
November 9, 2009 6:12 PM in reply to rwc
I would put it that there is a lot of evidence that the White House wants Snowe on board, but I am not convinced that the White House prefers the "trigger" to the public option as proposed by Reid. If the reconciliation cudgel is not brandished, then essentially the White House is saying that it is giving up on the non-triggered public option. At that point we can surely say that 1) the White House prefers the (never-)triggered public option to having no HCR bill at all, and 2) it doesn't want to offend the sanctity of the 60-vote cloture rule. That's a good deal for 100 senators, a great deal for the insurance companies, and a rotten deal for tens of millions of Americans.
The choice is with Reid and Obama.
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Tanjaoui
November 9, 2009 10:57 PM in reply to BronxInTN
I thought there was every indication Orahma was working for a trigger and a Snowe vote...weren't there such reports here at TPM? If he gets a public option with a trigger and Snowe, he might then waft the reconciliation wand. Water it down first, then go all out for the legislation - that's a more likely scenario given the extremely centrist currents in this admin.
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elle a
November 9, 2009 3:00 PM
why is it always up to the most undemocrat like of the democrats????
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baltimore
November 9, 2009 3:05 PM
speaking of lefties, how many noticed that Kucinich voted NO on the house health bill?
point of order here- who is Sen.Wellpoint? someone uses that name here, but i have never seen such a name on any US Senator.
is this a new type of slang that i have missed (i live in Europe).
can someone clarify this. what state is Wellpoint from and what is his real name.
thanks!
inedal at yahoo.com
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 9, 2009 3:21 PM in reply to baltimore
Wellpoint is a huge health insurance company. Evan Bayh's wife is on it's board of directors, hence the pejorative snark "Senator Wellpoint." though I personally prefer the slighly snarkier "Sen. Bayh (D-Wellpoint)."
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 3:22 PM in reply to baltimore
Evan Bayh's wife works for Wellpoint.
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whitenoise100
November 9, 2009 5:49 PM in reply to baltimore
Here's a link to Kucinich's explanation of his "no" vote.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/11927
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Stroszek
November 9, 2009 3:13 PM
That's what it always was you disingenuous toad.
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mans_best_friend
November 9, 2009 4:17 PM in reply to Stroszek
If it gives her cover with the folks back home so she can vote for the bill, she can say any damn thing she wants.
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tommyo
November 9, 2009 3:16 PM
Whatever happened to reconciliation? C'mon Reid, screw these assholes.
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Weeferdog
November 9, 2009 3:16 PM
Landrieu wants a lifetime supply of beignets and muffallettas. I hate this moo-cow. Immature, I know; and fat-ist. I top the scales myself ... but at least the fate of 45,000 dead countrymen every year angers me, unlike this corporate-whore whaler.
Weeferdog
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voreason
November 9, 2009 3:26 PM
Sure is reassuring to know that the future of 17% of the economy and the health of the nation is in the hands of a bunch of schmucks like these.
I feel so much better.
God this country is screwed up.
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BigSkyDem
November 9, 2009 3:32 PM
Senator Wellpoint Blue Cross/Blue Shield, used to be non-profit health insurance company. Their shill is a man that goes by the name of Evan Bayh. pronounced "bought".
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RhodaA
November 9, 2009 3:36 PM
They way to stop Lieberman is to get progressive Jewish organizations to target him. I tried myself, but have no connections or influence. If somebody out here does, I am almost sure (my deep intuition) it would work.
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Ingoman
November 9, 2009 3:43 PM
They make these threats out of cowardice, thus, call them on their bluff. Make them stand out there and filibuster the bill, if they have the balls.
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Mateo123
November 9, 2009 3:54 PM
I think we have to seriously think about leaving this bunch. I mean, look, we need a majority of them to commit to cloture. Then we need some others -- people with little pet issues like abortion -- to agree to end debate. We have a majority. The only question is whether we can get past the filibuster.
Lieberman cares about gay rights. I know, shocking, given what Josh and the gang say about him. Is there a way to link that to this issue? Say, some aggressive antiretroviral therapy mandate in insurance policies?
What about the pro-lifers? What do they want out of this?
We have to think outside the box and figure out how to bring as many "constituents" as possible to the table. If we rely on one of these senators, alone, we lose.
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Mateo123
November 9, 2009 3:55 PM
I think we have to seriously think about leaving this bunch. I mean, look, we need a majority of them to commit to cloture. Then we need some others -- people with little pet issues like abortion -- to agree to end debate. We have a majority. The only question is whether we can get past the filibuster.
Lieberman cares about gay rights. I know, shocking, given what Josh and the gang say about him. Is there a way to link that to this issue? Say, some aggressive antiretroviral therapy mandate in insurance policies?
What about the pro-lifers? What do they want out of this?
We have to think outside the box and figure out how to bring as many "constituents" as possible to the table. If we rely on one of these senators, alone, we lose.
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data dawg
November 9, 2009 4:13 PM
A recent Harvard Medical study estimated the number of people who die each year because they don't have health insurance. The total for the country was more than 40,000.
Here are the breakdowns for the states represented by the Deep Six, if anyone cares to call their office to remind them that this actually is a life-or-death decision.
ND 59 excess deaths
NE 168
CT 318
AR 668
IN 921
LA 1,104
Source: Physicians for National Health Program.
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ArmChairPol
November 9, 2009 4:41 PM
It should be clearly documented what exact concessions each of these guys wants in order to vote for the bill. If there is an ammendment in order to appease any one of them, that member MUST then vote for the bill or have every privilige including the Senate Office Space stripped to the bone.
Several members of the house still did not vote for the House version who voted for the new abortion language that got put into that bill. No Republican Senator is voting for this bill even after the adoption of several of their stupid ammendments.
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TJ1
November 9, 2009 8:30 PM
What Lieberman Wants.
If there's one thing we all know about Lieberman, it's that he's a hard bargainer for what counts - himself. He will vote for cloture, but he will demand a high price in return - and most likely get it.
Best guess on what that is? Dem party backing for his reelection campaign and top committee posts.
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JennOfArk
November 9, 2009 9:02 PM
Funny - this "conservative" state never had a problem with returning Dale Bumpers (whose seat Lincoln now holds) to the Senate election after election, even though Bumpers was a flaming liberal by comparison and made a lot of votes that caused a majority of his constituents to foam at the mouth (such as the vote to return the canal to the Panamanians). When he'd get attacked for those votes, he'd just calmly state that this was why he was elected - to delve into the issues and use sound judgement to determine the right path, and then he'd explain how his vote on issue X reflected sound judgement. Then he'd get re-elected.
Blanche Lincoln is in trouble not because this state is so "conservative" but because she's been a transparent corporate whore during her entire tenure in both the House and Senate. If she were fit to carry Dale Bumpers' jockstrap, she'd step up to the plate, vote the right way, and then come back home and explain how health reform will help the average citizen of the state. Of course that would be totally out of character, and she would probably still lose, because after 16 years of whoring, the whore starts to lose her luster. The odds are very high that she's going down; her vote on health care will neither save nor doom her. She'd be much better off to simply take one for the team so at least after she loses she'll have one accomplishment that actually helped the people she was supposed to be representing that she can look back on with pride. Because really, who wants to retire with only "but I was a really good whore" as their only accomplishment?
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Tanjaoui
November 9, 2009 11:22 PM in reply to JennOfArk
Don't know enough about Arkansas politics...maybe Walton family money changed the political dynamic in the interim. I agree...doesn't change the fact she's a whore.
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aikbay
November 9, 2009 9:41 PM
Reid needs to get the liberals together and threaten the chairmanships of these six tools esp. Lieberdick who doesn't deservse the DHS chair.
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waldem
November 9, 2009 9:48 PM
I have suspected that Bayh's opposition is not so much about the costs, but about a bruised ego. He thought that he had the vice presidency sewed up and when it went to Biden he began to oppose anything Obama wanted.
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chitowner
November 10, 2009 2:10 AM
Of the six, pretty boy Bayh is most despicable - a real corporate two-facer. I almost puked when I heard Obama was considering him for Veep last year, which also says something about Obama.
Liebs, of course, is a war-mongering neo-lib hound who craves attention. In a class all his own.
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par4
November 10, 2009 7:46 AM
I heard Sanders might filibuster this piece of crap bill,if he does I will support him 100%. Anybody who thinks this bill is any good must have drunk New Dem. kool-aid. I can't find one thing to support in it.
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eurofighter
November 10, 2009 10:57 AM
Can someone enlighten me why a 'super' majority of 60 is even needed? Why can't the majority simply call the blackmailer's bluff - let them filibuster until the cows come home and let the public outrage over their despicable, undemocratic behavior build up over the weeks.
Let's see how long they last.
It is high time that this antedeluvial filibuster weapon is disabled - it's blatantly undemocratic and does not belong into a modern democracy, particularly one that lectures the whole world about how to run their own countries, and even went to war in Iraq to 'build democracy'.
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chuckvw
November 10, 2009 7:20 PM in reply to eurofighter
Short answer: Harry Reid
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