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Standing in front of the Supreme Court this morning, a group of Republican lawmakers railed against the court system run out of the building behind them. A sign affixed to the plexiglas podium each spoke at in turn spelled out the reason for their concern. "Protect our homeland," it read. "Keep terrorists out of America."

The justice system laid out in the Constitution, they said, is just too weak to protect American citizens from wiley terror suspects. From "activist judges" to courtroom sketch artists, the group reeled off a list of reasons the Obama administration decision to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to the U.S. for trial could quite possibly end in, as Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) suggested, a nuclear attack on the United States.

The group of conservative lawmakers have been arguing against bringing the Gitmo suspects to the U.S. ever since the decision was announced. They suggest, as do most Republicans and some Democrats, that the best way to try terror suspects is through military tribunals on the Guantanamo Bay base itself. Today, they repeated that argument. But they added new focus to their claim that the Constitution and bringing terrorists to justice can't mix.

Gitmo is "the best place to have [trials], it's the best place to house them. It's the safest place," Rep. Steve King (R-IA) told reporters. "More importantly, it's the place that keeps activist federal judges from making activist decisions that could end up turning [terror suspects] loose on the streets of America."

After the press conference, King elaborated on his worries about U.S. judges. "We wouldn't even be thinking about trying these detainees on U.S. soil if it hadn't been for activist judges who decided they were going to confer constitutional rights on people that have never seen the United States of America," he said, referring to the 2006 Hamdan v. Rumsfeld Supreme Court decision that said military commissions as set up by the Bush administration violated the Geneva conventions.

King suggested that "activist" judges could be inclined to release terror suspects over some liberal legal principle or another. "A judge can rationalize most anything," he said. "If you're a living, breathing -- how should I say it? -- 'evolving' constitutionalist than you can write anything you want to justify your own rationale."

Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC) was troubled by what might happen when waterboarding and the American right to a fair trial met in a U.S. courtroom. She worried what might happen if terror suspects argued they'd been given "cruel and unusual" punishment at Gitmo.

"This is what scares me because they're in a U.S. court now and the rights are different," she said. "What will they say [about their detention] and what could happen and could they be out among the people again? It's very frightening."

How frightening? Mushroom cloud frightening, according to Franks. He said that a federal trial would give the suspects "a megaphone to speak to the planet," which he said "only hastens the danger" of, literally, a nuclear terrorist attack.

When a reporter pointed out that federal trials aren't televised, perhaps making the "megaphone" a little less likely, Republicans said there were other ways for terror suspects to peddle their propoganda from a U.S. courtroom -- for example, sketch artists.

"What we've seen happen is artists draw pictures and this will be written up and there are interviews outside the courtroom everyday and there will be defense attorneys taking the global stage," King said. "We are in an electronic era where they Internet and all these other media that we have will create a real time look at what's going on in New York."

And check out TPM's slideshow of the event here.

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December 10, 2009 2:06 PM   

Isn't this the "Muslim Mafia" crew? Bigots of the 21st century. The hypocrisy is astounding. The whine that Constitutional principles are being threatened, but the Justice System as established by the Constitution isn't good enough.

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December 10, 2009 5:44 PM    in reply to SS247

Well, it's that crew plus Rep. Steve King who is a nut-bar and half.

Why do these people hate America so much? They must! Apparently, our Consititutionally established system of justice is pure crap and yet we Americans are forced to live under it.

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December 11, 2009 12:01 AM    in reply to SS247

What a bunch of MACHO pussies.

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December 11, 2009 8:48 PM    in reply to SS247

Not sure about the Moslem Mafia label, but it is obvious that Republicans do not want an open trial for these people because the treatment of POWs would be front and center. Our next war, be very sad when some outlaw country treats U S POWs in their control the same way we treated these people in GITMO. It is God's law of the harvest that whatsoever we sow, that shall we also reap. If we do not have enough plain old values to not allow this terrorism against prisoners we hold, God help us! My own Republican party is morally bereft!

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December 10, 2009 2:16 PM   

Can we call them 'un-American' now? They are trashing the very essence of the freedom, the right to defend oneself against charges by the government. You know they'd be the first to defend the rights of any right wing terrorist like Rudolph or McVey.

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December 10, 2009 4:40 PM    in reply to Powkat

Al Qaeda are right wing terrorists. I think you mean white.

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December 10, 2009 9:06 PM    in reply to onlooker

Astute observation!

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December 10, 2009 2:18 PM   

When do they do their jobs? You know, the job we are paying them to do...

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December 10, 2009 6:16 PM    in reply to Beagle

Republicans in Congress get their job description from Nancy Reagan: "Just say no."

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December 10, 2009 2:21 PM   

I think about the politest thing that I can say is a simple "Oh, horseshit!".

"Situational justice" now seems to be joining situational ethics in the political quiver.

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December 11, 2009 12:07 PM    in reply to cwnidog

I believe that "manure" is the proper expression for polite company.

As in, "Karl Rove is a less-than-honest satchel of manure!"

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December 10, 2009 2:21 PM   

What a bunch of nutless wussies.

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December 10, 2009 2:35 PM   

Why do these people hate America?

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December 10, 2009 2:59 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Because they are afraid of Justice, per se.

Most guilty parties are.

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December 10, 2009 2:38 PM   

artists draw pictures and this will be written up

OMG!!!
Just imagine the cuniform headlines!!!

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December 10, 2009 2:38 PM   

God. Politics in this country really is reducing itself down down to a battle between smart and stupid.

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December 10, 2009 4:03 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Ditto the media. And imho that includes TPM spending a full page on something that is laughable on its face.

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December 10, 2009 4:25 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

The laughableness is exactly why it is news. Anything we can do to point out the sheer stupidity of these folks is a public service!

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December 10, 2009 5:00 PM    in reply to jeaton

You have a point. But it should definitely not be the splash. I just don't get devoting as many resources and space to the absurd aspects of politics (particularly the idiot right) versus critically important and substantive news about, say, the economy (which TPM has been burying for months). Besides, the MSM does 'absurd' just fine. If you want your fill of glossy substance-free celebrity/popularity bullshit politics watch ABC News.

TPM should get back to the hard-hitting substantive journalism that this country DESPERATELY NEEDS (and they used to do oh-so-well, but rarely do these days for this long-time reader).

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December 11, 2009 6:31 AM    in reply to Shrubbit

But the MSM doesn't "do absurd just fine". They report on republican insanity as if it were a reasonable alternative to logical, sensible thought. They don't fact check, instead allowing right-wing mouthpieces to lie as much as they want.

Sorry, but if we want absurdities from the republicans pointed out, we'll have to do it. It apparently is not the MSM's job to report facts.

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December 11, 2009 8:56 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

I believe it is substantive journalism to alert Americans to the fact that the Bush Administration allowed these hideous kinds of torture in the name of America. Although a life time moderate Republican, I am horrified at the thought that the Bush Administration's behavior allowed such horrid and illegal conduct in Gitmo..

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December 10, 2009 5:47 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Stupid and comatose is more like it.

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December 10, 2009 2:40 PM   

I'll hand it to them again. You can't call them flip-floppers, because they flip and they flop at the same exact time. Fleet-flopping perhaps. The ability to change positions on a fleeting whim...

Simultaneously 'spreading democracy and justice around the world' and systematically denying those values here.

Simultaneously holding the US Constitution out as the end-all-be-all document of supreme judgment the world over, and then tearing it down as weak and ineffective.

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December 10, 2009 2:43 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

The follow on question to this is...

If their goal is to promote our values around the world, why are they so reluctant to actually achieve them? Mission accomplished?

Holding these terror trials is evidence of what we've been telling the world for 8 years, that we're serious (finally) about spreading core democratic values like the right to fair trial by jury.

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December 10, 2009 4:46 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

They really only believe in Constitutional rights when it's their own rights they think are threatened. When it comes to rights for people they disagree with -- eh, not so important.

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December 10, 2009 2:43 PM   

You'd think that people who are mostly lawyers and whose job it is to make laws would actually know SOMETHING about the law.

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December 10, 2009 2:47 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Lawyer just means that you took a long test and happened to pass, just like financial planners, insurance agents, and other 'professional services'. I speak from experience when I say that the only thing you learn in these courses, and the vast majority of the actual test, is ways to avoid getting yourself in trouble with the law, rather then the practical application thereof.

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December 10, 2009 3:26 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Oh, they know all about the law. They just don't care, and that's what makes them 100x more morally bankrupt then the knuckle-draggers that elect them.

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December 10, 2009 2:44 PM   

If these Republicans are so scared, then why are they still in office? Why aren't they hiding in your cellars, hugging their blankets, and waiting for the end?? Why aren't they allowing someone who isn't afraid of their own shadow take their place???

Cowardly chickensh*t b*stards.

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December 10, 2009 3:24 PM    in reply to Cal Soldier

Fear motivates their base. That's all.

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December 10, 2009 2:49 PM   

Wow. They'll seek any excuse to avoid fair trials. They genuinely do not believe in the rule of law. People like them are the reason so much of the Bill of Rights is dedicated to rights of the defendant.

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December 10, 2009 2:49 PM   

Sounds like these guys aren't taking their medications.

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December 10, 2009 3:01 PM   

Personally, I would feel much more secure if sentencing would include a prohibition against pardon or clemency by Republican elected officials.

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December 10, 2009 3:13 PM    in reply to Pyroxene

You mean ol' Huckable and his wayward Arkansas freed felon's club, don't you?

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December 10, 2009 3:02 PM   

The greatest country in the world needs a truley great court system. I heard in Saudi that they chop off your hand if you steal and chop off your head if you do anything worse. I'll bet they never have to worry about these terrorists!

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December 10, 2009 5:12 PM    in reply to The Decider

Actually, they have to, and should be worried about "these terrorists" a great deal. Osama Bin Laden is Saudi. Most of the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi. Most of Bin Laden's followers, at least originally, were Saudi. Bin Laden's original funds and supporters came from Saudi Arabia. The Saudi government is one of the most repressive in the world, which creates great resentment, hardship and foments extremist beliefs.

I recommend "The Looming Tower," by Lawrence Wright.

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December 10, 2009 3:06 PM   

Okay -- I am now convinced that all Republicans are soft in the head.

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December 10, 2009 4:40 PM    in reply to JefferyK

All these wingnuts seems to be extremely worried about the reputation of Chenney and Bush when they start talking about being waterboarded over a hundred times. No need to be concerned about that. Their reputations are already shot to hell.

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December 10, 2009 4:44 PM    in reply to JefferyK

I can be a slow learner, at times, but you just took the cake! (Put vanilla ice cream on my slice, please.)

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December 10, 2009 3:11 PM   

Whatever the Obama administration decides, they will oppose.

Regardless of their real position on the issue.

Never has the word "obstructionist" been better applied.

Next time, tell them it was Bush's idea, then see how they respond before they find out it is Obama's plan.

After lauding it as "wonderful" thinking it was bush, they'll step all over their own tongues trying to change course when the discover it is Obama.

Has anyone mentioned yet that at least one of these enemy combatants may know something about the Bush administration that the status quo is desperate to keep out of the public eyes and ears?

They sure are desperate to keep some types of testimony or information off the docket, while they claim to be protecting the public from attacks, one might wonder if it is their own sorry asses they are saving.

Just for speculation purposes, what might be something the terrorists could testify to that would cause grief to our old status quo?

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December 10, 2009 7:04 PM    in reply to JEP07

That they really appreciated the government run healthcare at Gitmo.

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December 10, 2009 3:11 PM   

Next thing you know, US Legislative System "too week" for terrorists.

Making GOPers crap their pants. So easy, a caveman (Bin Laden) could do it.

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December 10, 2009 3:11 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Frigg'n type. too weAk

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December 10, 2009 3:12 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Pay no attention to the moron with typOs ... I'm so angry I'm flustered.

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December 10, 2009 3:16 PM   

Because terrorists wouldnt send a NUKE to the US if they had one..... regardless of KSM on trial or not.

These people are so fucking stupid it hurts

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December 10, 2009 3:16 PM   

Shorter GOP:

"Our civil rights make us weak."

The GOP has be argued this since my birth for the half century of my life: civil rights, woman's rights, human rights are bad and since or legal system has dared to enforce our laws, our legal system is a threat.

The wealth and the powerful hate it when the same rules are applied to those who they believe are their "lessers".

Who know that the U.S. Constitution hates America?

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December 10, 2009 9:18 PM    in reply to Grumpy Demo

Even shorter: "The terrorists win".

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December 10, 2009 3:19 PM   

The GOP is now now nothing more than a political cult! They say they love America but at the same time hate Americans and our institutions!

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December 10, 2009 3:22 PM   

To these GOOPers, the only time the CJ system worked was when Rove and Gonzalez were rigging it.

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December 10, 2009 3:29 PM   

These bozos possess no knowledge of U.S. history or western philosophy. Citizenship has nothing to do with rights -- they were declared "self-evident" and "inalienable" for "every man" long before that document was written. They were not created by the Consitution, rather, they were formalized there with respect to the U.S. government. To say that those rights only apply to certain people on a legal principle is a mutilation of their very meaning.

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December 10, 2009 4:51 PM    in reply to the_rob_bot

Thank you!

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December 10, 2009 7:06 PM    in reply to the_rob_bot

10/10

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December 11, 2009 3:39 AM    in reply to the_rob_bot

Very astute!!

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December 10, 2009 3:35 PM   

So much ranting about "activist judges."

Does anyone happen to remember Alistair Cooke's quote about what happens when Americans lose faith in the Supreme Court?

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December 10, 2009 5:52 PM    in reply to pl3bian

Uh . . . the mighty Google?

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December 10, 2009 3:38 PM   

I consider myself a moderate who makes an effort to get along with people who think different from me but sometimes that is really hard!

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December 10, 2009 3:56 PM   

The Starr Chamber that tried to put Clinton on trial for a blow job of a different sort made everything public. This Star Chamber wants "justice" that's more discreet.

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December 10, 2009 3:58 PM   

I hate Godwin, but if this isn't a steady march towards the kind of country Germany transgressed to after WWI then I don't know...

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December 10, 2009 4:00 PM   

Clearly the only thing holding back the nuclear-armed terrorists is the lack of a good sketch depicting their incarcerated brethren.

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December 10, 2009 4:04 PM   

Idiots! And this is our opposition party?

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December 10, 2009 4:10 PM   

I think thier thinking is that the defendants are all quilty and a trial just gives them a chance to get off scott free.

Why this would not apply in every other case I don't know.

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December 10, 2009 4:11 PM   

My, they certainly seem to have their panties in a twist. Maybe if we served them a glass of warm milk and talked to them quietly in a reassuring tone of voice they would got over their hysterical fear that the big bad terrorests are going to get them. Probably not, though.

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December 10, 2009 4:19 PM   

--- King said. "We are in an electronic era where they Internet and all these other media that we have will create a real time look at what's going on in New York."

Seems to me, that's a good thing.

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December 10, 2009 4:27 PM   

Steve King and the rest of his ilk —i.e., all GOPers in and out of Congress— never cease to amaze me in how willing they are to show what FRIGHTENED LITTLE MEN they are.

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December 10, 2009 4:58 PM    in reply to LinusToo

Or what frightened little people they think the rest of us should be.

I like to think that what Churchill said of the British applies to us, too:

"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar candy."

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December 10, 2009 5:57 PM    in reply to slb

Americans are the most easily frightened people in the world.

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December 10, 2009 4:42 PM   

"the group reeled off a list of reasons the Obama administration decision to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to the U.S. for trial could quite possibly end in, as Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) suggested, a nuclear attack on the United States."

It's really nice to see the Republicans finally reveal how little faith they have in the United States.
Perhaps, tomorrow, they're also come out and admit that Government doesn't work because they've spent the past thirty years proving that point, as well.
"If government worked, we wouldn't be here."

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December 10, 2009 4:49 PM   

Cretins.

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December 10, 2009 4:55 PM   

Steve King is the stupidest man on Earth.

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December 10, 2009 5:28 PM    in reply to VictorLaszlo

Well, he did "study" at a college according to his bio, never finished, which makes him less than Palin, so he isn't quite "stupid;" just kind of stupid. I think of him as just another repub coward who never served like Cheney, and like Cheney is just a scared little man who is part of a party that has a platform predicated on the concept that government, and now the court, doesn't work, so re-elect us so that we can further deconstruct it, and run again on the platform that government doesn't work.

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December 10, 2009 6:35 PM    in reply to Mr.Boots

I've never served, and I don't have a college degree. It has nothing to do with that.

I'm talking about the stupid shit that comes out of his pie hole, not his credentials.

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December 10, 2009 5:25 PM   

I know I'm pretty dumb, but could somebody please explain the real reason why conservatives don't want Gitmo detainees tried on U.S. soil? Does it threaten them politically somehow?

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December 10, 2009 5:45 PM    in reply to CajunModerate

you aren't dumb. Aside from using the issue to fear-monger, they have no reason really. But you have to remember, fear-mongering has not only won them some elections (Presidency 2004), but, as they are completely devoid of ideas at this point, it really is all they have.

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December 10, 2009 11:53 PM    in reply to jenzinoh

It really is. And these trials are the beginning of the end of the war on terror. So pretty soon, Republicans won't even have fear mongering.

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December 10, 2009 5:48 PM    in reply to CajunModerate

Conservatives don't want them *tried* at all, any more than they want accused rapists, murderers or kiddy-diddlers tried. They feel that they can magically 'discern' guilt or innocence when it comes to offenses that upset their delicate sensibilities, so they want to skip the trials and move right to the execution, ah, I mean *sentencing* phase.

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December 10, 2009 6:06 PM    in reply to CajunModerate

I actually have a theory about this. Probably bullshit, but here goes. For conservatives, America -- the real America -- is in some weird way essentially pure, without blemish, and undefiled by human evil. Muslim terrorists, on the other hand, are metaphysical filth, the essence of human depravity, and therefore the total and absolute opposite of (the real) America. Consequently, they cannot be allowed to have contact with America's holy soil or be considered as having any of its holy Rights. Otherwise America will be besmirched and become worthless in the eyes of God.

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December 10, 2009 6:17 PM    in reply to SqueakyRat

I think that you and I have described two separate and distinct facets of the truth.

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December 10, 2009 5:43 PM   

What a disgusting, cowardly, America-hating shitstain.

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December 10, 2009 6:43 PM   

Activist Judges = Judges who enforce the laws.

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December 10, 2009 7:46 PM   

Say what you will, but when a Republican talks about spreading propoganda you need to listen carefully. Joeseph Goebbels himself would be in awe of the Republican Propoganda machine.

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December 10, 2009 9:33 PM   

I think maybe we should send each of these legislators a case of adult diapers.

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December 10, 2009 10:04 PM   

to JEPO7's speculative inquiry:

In the "what do they know that we don't?" category, listen to what Mr. Franks is saying. If you think Al Quaeda took down the twin towers and bldg 7, then pay him no mind.
These people aren't just stupid, they're dangerous as only unhinged humans can be!
I doubt T. Franks knows much of anything worth knowing, but his comment sure fuels speculation among "extreme doubters" of the official House of Bush lie, i mean line, i mean lie.

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December 10, 2009 11:29 PM   

Hey Steve,

I just drew you a picture of my hand, with the middle finger extended.

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December 11, 2009 6:26 AM   

What a bunch of scared little babies republicans are. My God! Every time anything happens, all of the right-wing nuts go into Full Fear and Fright Mode. Just about everything will lead to nuclear war and death for everyone, according to these paranoid mental cases. Do the wackaloons *enjoy* being scared out of their wits by everything around them?

And now little Michy Bachmann has said that liberals are "disconnected from reality". The mind reels. The jaw gapes. *Can* these people be for real? And what are we Americans going to do about them?

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December 11, 2009 12:33 PM   

Nothing, absolutely nothing is beyond the lies, schemes, and fabrications of the modern Republican party. They are devoid of principles, and cater to fear, and have no faith in America. The GOP continues to be a disgrace to everything that is the Constitution and to everything that our Forefathers held dear. The Republicans and their rabid conservative base have become a danger to our democracy. They are shameful.

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June 6, 2010 2:47 AM   

I'll hand it to them again. You can't call them flip-floppers, because they flip and they flop at the same exact time. Fleet-flopping perhaps. The ability to change positions on a fleeting whim...

Simultaneously 'spreading democracy and justice around the world' and systematically denying those values here.

Simultaneously holding the US Constitution out as the end-all-be-all document of supreme judgment the world over, and then tearing it down as weak and ineffective.

m65 kamagra

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