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I just updated our running tally of Democrats who voted 'no' on the House health care bill. If a pattern's emerging, it's this: The most conservative, and vulnerable Democrats are still going to oppose reform after a final bill emerges from the House-Senate conference. So, it seems, will members like Eric Massa and Dennis Kucinich who opposed the House bill on the grounds that it wasn't far-reaching enough.

But for the first time, we're seeing signs that some of the members who opposed the bill the first time around are keeping their options open--even leaning towards supporting the final bill if it closely resembles the Senate package.

Freshman Blue Dog Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO) says some positive things about the Senate bill, and is keeping an open mind. Blue Dog Jason Altmire (D-PA) is on the record saying that the Senate bill is stronger than the House bill, and that "a lot" of Blue Dogs might flip their votes from 'no' to 'yes' if the Senate bill prevails in conference.

This is roughly as expected--but we'll let you know if the trend changes in the days and weeks ahead.

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December 31, 2009 12:46 PM   

They should be. It's about time to implement health reform in the United States of America. Obama's leadership is something out of a movie. A terrific performance on this issue from Obama thus far. We can only see into the future and predict that Obama will continue his domination in Washington. Obama 2012!

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December 31, 2009 1:07 PM   

Primary Kucinich and Massa!! What's that? It's OK to oppose and vote against the Democrats signature issue as long as you do so from the left?

Kucinich has voted with the Republicans on every major issue this year, just like those Blue Dogs. Yet he remains a "darling" of the nutroots because he spouts a bunch of firery rhetorich. He's as worthless as Walt Minnick and Bobby Bright.

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December 31, 2009 1:07 PM   

All no votes are equal. Massa and Kucinich are no better than Steve King and Michele Bachmann when it comes to actually passing HCR.

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December 31, 2009 1:21 PM    in reply to clonecone

Co-sign!

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December 31, 2009 2:08 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Me too!

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December 31, 2009 3:39 PM    in reply to clonecone

Except I think Massa is a bit better

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December 31, 2009 2:40 PM   

Circular firing squads are dumb.

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December 31, 2009 4:14 PM   

Who cares about the House? Clearly its the House of Lords, er I mean "Senate", that holds all the cards in the debate.

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December 31, 2009 6:34 PM   

Of course if there were 100 more reps like Kucinich and Massa the legislation would have to be more progressive to pass the house. If there were 100 more reps like Boccieri or Stupak, it would have to be much less progressive, if they were willing to stand up for an unpopular bill at all. (Have they ever?) A vote may be equal, but representatives aren't.

But by all means, if there are Democrats out there who want to primary their left wing they may as well do so. Kucinich crushed his last challenger by an absurd margin, so I doubt he'll go down to defeat because he demanded things that his constituents wanted.

There seems to be a large amount of push back by some against the progressive wing; those like Weiner who decide vote for the bill are pilloried for lots of rhetoric he won't back up, while those who do follow through are still attacked for not backing the bill. The unifying theory seems to be that the secret to legislative or political success for Democrats is to be both meek and compromising. But Democrats didn't start winning until they chose to do the opposite of that.

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January 3, 2010 8:04 AM    in reply to Kevin Sutton

Hear, hear!

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January 1, 2010 9:49 AM   

The Reo-Cons are cranking up a 'repeal health care reform' cry to use in November. And, because of it, Blue Dog Dems - who are listening - are going to be scarred to support any Democratic bill. Here's why.

It's a matter both of expectations and of reality. Let's be frank about this. With this bill, the Democrats have guaranteed that $2,000 of every $10,000 paid in health insurance premiums can be used by the insurers for non-health care, non-value-added activities, such as lobbying, fighting patient claims, profits, bonuses and CEO salaries.

Health Reform, as crafted, is plainly and simply another form of corporate bailout, similar to the financial bailout, where tax payer dollars are used to continue the shift of wealth from citizens (real, in-the-flesh ones) to corporations (paper, fat cat ones). It is a Democratic theme, certainly a theme of this administration, to shift taxpayer money to corporations through government schemes of one kind or another.

Republicans favor corporations, too, but the pubic expects the Republicans to favor the rich over the working class; after all, it's their mantra. But, because voters expect the Democrats to speak and act for them, the Democrats are going to be harmed in the election by the charge (accurately leveled) of hypocrisy.

The nation expected more of the Democrats; the nation expected a party that put the interests of the citizens (the real ones) ahead of the paper ones.

With the TeaBaggers (disguised Republicans) offering a fax-populist opposition to government (any kind) and the bills 80/20 give away fitting perfectly into the story line, Blue Dogs will need to position themselves correctly in the mind of the voters, and that means voting against the 'reform' as a government 'give away' (they wont even have to be explicit about a 'give away' to whom!).

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January 2, 2010 1:37 AM   

Betsy Markey? Give me a break. May as well just call her Marilyn Markey for all the improvement she has been from her predecessor. And all this catering she's doing to the local teabaggers still won't win her their favor. Watch her go down in flames later this year.

In the end we have a bill with none of the things that will help improve the system, and a boatload of features that the Reeps demanded but will still heartily vote against in the final bill. Remind me again why I'm supposed to be supportive of this colossal symbol of Democratic capitulation?

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January 2, 2010 1:44 PM   

1/2/01

It would be better to use a more appropriate title for this legislation. The single significant aspect is the individual mandate to purchase private insurance and so rather than "health care reform" this legislation should be called "Mandate of Private Insurance".

The whole conversation around HCR has been a little(or a lot) like the "Patriot Act". Another example of Orwellian doublespeak from the people who brought us WMD in Iraq.

Why are our congressional leaders allowed to roundly ignore the wishes of the American people of Medicare type access to healthcare. Everybody knows this bill is a hoax.

Conrad C. Elledge

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January 2, 2010 7:37 PM   

So long as the Stupak language stays out of the final conference bill.

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January 3, 2010 8:14 AM   

As we further fragment ourselves bickering over the scraps of reform left in a bill that is clearly far from an adequate solution, far even from the beginning of an adequate solution, to America's health care crisis, perhaps we can look to cheeky Vermont to once again lead the way to true progressive change. Both houses of the legislature begin hearings next week on a single-payer solution for Vermont. They deserve our support.

http://alltogethernow.org/showitem.php?currid=398

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