
It's crunch time! In a rare face-to-face meeting between conservative and liberals members, a number of key Democrats huddled behind closed doors tonight to discuss the public option in the hopes of reaching some sort of compromise in time to salvage the health care bill.
On hand were Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)--who's been trying to broker a compromise between competing factions for months--Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE)--who's been floating a potential compromise modeled on Olympia Snowe's trigger--and Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Russ Feingold (D-WI), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), and Ben Nelson (D-NE).
According to Rockefeller, the range of views is an indication that things are coming down to the wire.
"There's no question about that," Rockefeller told reporters. "This should have started a long time ago and thankfully Harry Reid caught it in time to put us together."
Those in attendance were tight-lipped about the developments, describing the meetings, in broad terms, as positive and productive.
Brown, who said yesterday that he was not interested in further compromise on the public option, would not comment on the deliberations.
"It was a good meeting, we're making progress," Harkin said. "There's two sides and there's a middle and that's where we're going to wind up."
For his part, Carper told reporters the Senators discussed "every [public option] alternative under the sun."
I asked him if his proposal had won the day.
"In a strange way, maybe it has," Carper said, laughing.
The same group plans to convene again over the weekend, as they work toward a final solution.
Viva!America!
December 4, 2009 9:00 PM
Yes, why didn't they do this a long time ago?
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Michael A
December 4, 2009 10:07 PM in reply to Viva!America!
Cosign. Like maybe 6 months ago. This is ridiculous. There is a ton that still needs to be done and should already be done, including lobbying reform (ban it concerning $$$, they can talk all they want), climate change, campaign finance, etc., etc., etc.
At this rate it will take 50 years to get anything done and that might be too late.
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theone718
December 5, 2009 11:27 AM in reply to Michael A
No they LITERALLY should have done this 6 months ago. Whatever, better late than never.
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synchronicity
December 5, 2009 12:09 AM
Remove the mandate... and get whatever reforms you can.
The 'trigger' is an idiotic joke, it is doing nothing and pretending that you are doing something... I thought our senators were grown ups.
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gizmo
December 5, 2009 12:32 AM
Ending up in the middle? WTF? The progressives have already compromised away their cherished principles 17 times, and now we're in the "middle?"
oy,oy,oy......
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Rich in NJ
December 5, 2009 12:42 AM
Offset the failure to craft a robust public option by making the health care exchange national and open to everyone: individuals, small business, and employees who get health care at work but want another option.
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Indie Pro
December 5, 2009 2:41 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
that would be interesting to see
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 5, 2009 12:17 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Bah! Far too late in the process to be bringing up good ideas.
I wish I wasn't kidding, and not kidding on the square, but that's the Constitution the Founders brung us. The process of rounding up that last handful of votes necessary to get the big bills passed invariably makes the legislation worse, rather than better, from a public policy standpoint precisely because it requires acceding to the demands of people with ideological axes to grind or with purely local concerns or, of course, who've been coopted by some special interest. That's one big advantage that a two party parlimentary system has over ours, though multiparty parlimentary systems tend to have the same dynamic as we do, just through different means.
On the upside, conference reports do sometimes come out better than either of the bills passed by the two houses. Don't know that I'd hold out too much hope for that with this bill, but it does happen sometimes.
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jollyroger
December 6, 2009 10:37 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
hold out too much hope
Why not?? Why could all the sturm and drang about oh lordy, we gotta get this or that in or out of the bill from the senate not be mere window dressing, to keep the rubes (that would be us, of course) from realizing that the senate bill, as long as it says "budget" is merely an empty vessel in which Reid will frolic with mormon maidens before immolating his re-election chances by burning (symbolically) his Senate id pass and reciting the incantation "reconcile yourself, reconcile your bad self, reconcile your bad ass self"
He'll tip his hat at the door, saying "see ya, suckers" and ram through medicare for all (no, I'm not that high...) ram through a robust public option.
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dnegri
December 5, 2009 2:03 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
That will come up when Wyden offers his Amendment. But unless it's been "cleared" beforehand by the players, it won't pass.
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dbl.r7711
December 5, 2009 2:00 AM
Harry Reid is just not a very forceful leader, an LBJ., he`s not... We need a leader who is willing to kick some ass, and take names ! Harry should make those four senators " s#%t, or get off the stool " !!! He should threathen to take away their chairmanships, I know that three of them have important chair positions that they covet.
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Aexia
December 5, 2009 2:36 AM in reply to dbl.r7711
Remind me, how many Democrats did he have?
And how many moderate Republicans were there?
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theone718
December 5, 2009 11:28 AM in reply to Aexia
Aexia they ALWAYS conviniently leave out those statistics.
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dnegri
December 5, 2009 2:05 PM in reply to Aexia
THis is the price to pay - though a steep one here - for having a "big tent". We Dems always pride ourselves on it, and contrast it to the Repubs tiny tent. So, at times there is a price to pay.
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ilovebacon
December 5, 2009 1:41 PM in reply to dbl.r7711
Why is he so timid? Why?!?!
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TheOwl
December 5, 2009 3:47 PM
"This should have started a long time ago and thankfully Harry Reid caught it in time to put us together." --Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
This comment is priceless!
Sad, but priceless.
Where has Harry Reid been all this time...and for that matter where has Sen. Rockefeller?
Leadership for change you can believe in?
It is quite possible that Sen. Ried is following in former Sen. Daschle's footsteps, capable only of partisan sniping and at risk of being irrelevant.
Sen. Rockefeller has proven already that he is.
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bluebell
December 5, 2009 4:07 PM in reply to TheOwl
Don't you see this is all theater? It's been cooked from the get go. These pols are so deeply cynical and corrupt it's mind boggling that any progressive still can't figure out they've been played for a fool all along.
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jollyroger
December 6, 2009 11:24 PM in reply to bluebell
been cooked from the get go
But then, why bother? I mean, if Prez is not sincere about wanting to change the paradigm of health car delivery that will alone, (without the insane militarism) destroy our economy let alone shred our people by delivering the most expensive chop shop medecine ever practiced since Jack the Ripper retired.
And if he does mean to achieve something,k it's obvious he has to roll the blue dogs, which tgo me means reconciliation 9where, btw you must have a robust public option to justify the budget impact requirements of the Byrd Rule.
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Jay Lapidus
December 5, 2009 6:30 PM
Ummmmm...Where was Lieberman?
He's still a member of the Democratic caucus...and a pest, so he should have been there for Harry to hammer.
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Tanjaoui
December 6, 2009 6:14 AM
Some people are saying this bill can be improved later, like Social Security and Medicare. But that comparison flatters Reid's bill, which entrenches a wasteful private sector of the economy. Those bills did just the opposite. And while it's a fact the bill could be improved upon, that's also a hazardous political calculation. In my opinion, we should start over. There are other ways to get this done, and they're better. It's becoming increasingly unlikely this bill can be filibustered, but if it could be, it would take Sanders, Brown and Burris teaming up with Republicans.
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