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Asked today about Sen. Joe Lieberman's (I-CT) claim that President Obama didn't pressure him on a public option, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama "absolutely" did everything he could for health care reform.
Gibbs said Obama has been clear on what he supported, and senators have been clear on what they didn't support. He added that the president is very pleased with the Senate bill, which has 95 percent of what he wanted.
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) told TPMDC that he was surprised Obama didn't push for it. "I just assumed that" he did, Harkin said.
Reporting by Christina Bellantoni.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 12:03 PM
Well, I guess Lieberman was telling the truth. Case closed. It was a complete bag-job. Obama sold out the public option and progressives. He can go fuck himself.
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Dorn76
December 22, 2009 12:19 PM in reply to wbgonne
Take note. Case is closed people. Obama can go fuck himself. This is the final word.
Carry on.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 12:54 PM in reply to Dorn76
Maybe you like liars. I don't.
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Indie Pro
December 22, 2009 1:15 PM in reply to wbgonne
what's odd about such a statement as, He Did All He Could, is it seems to say,
Hey, Sorry, Obama wasn't powerful enough to take on special interests and the industry. We had to give in to them, amke deals behind the scenes, and now we can only hope we can talk them in to giving us a little more at some later time. But hey, technically we can call this historic! Banners are being printed as we speak.
Weird.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:18 PM in reply to Indie Pro
That would require the White House to stand up for progressive (not to mention, sensible) positions. Timid is an understatement.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:23 PM in reply to wbgonne
Still shilling for the funeral home association, I see. Wanting more people to die each year for lack of insurance.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to FreeRider
People don't die from lack of health insurance, they die from lack of health care.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:33 PM in reply to wbgonne
WRONG AGAIN, BOOGER EATER!!
>>Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. >>
http://www.harvardscience.harvard.edu/medicine-health/articles/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-lack-health-coverage
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:39 PM in reply to FreeRider
Wow! You have those insurance industry stats right at your fingertips almost as if . . . you are an insurance industry troll trying to ensure that No Health Insurance Co Left Behind stays just like it is: perfect for health insurance companies.
Notwithstanding the centrality of your industry to health care delivery in the U.S., the fact remains that insurance is merely a delivery system. And it could be replaced say, for instance, by single payer. It is health CARE people want and need. Health INSURANCE is [please don't faint] not necessary at all.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:51 PM in reply to wbgonne
That's right. Harvard University is the "insurance industry". Congressman Alan Grayson (who quoted this study on the House floor) is the insurance industry. Howard Dean is the insurance industry since he's cited that study. Bernie Sanders must be the insurance industry, too.
You're so woefully uninformed with your "people don't die from lack of insurance" ignorance.
Between that bit of fiction and your plea for tax breaks for cancer-causing tanning bed industry, I hope the funeral home industry is paying you a lot of money to shill for them.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:52 PM in reply to FreeRider
OK. You're on to me: I want people to die.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:57 PM in reply to wbgonne
Duhhhh! You think this is news? That's been clear for weeks. Your "man of the people" routine is so patently obvious.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:01 PM in reply to FreeRider
More death panels! Pull the plug on Grandma! Grandpa, too!! Ration, ration, ration!!!!
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 2:06 PM in reply to wbgonne
You're not very effective but at least you're energetic! Your check from the funeral home industry is in the mail.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:07 PM in reply to FreeRider
And yours from Humana is direct deposit.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 2:09 PM in reply to wbgonne
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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EastWest
December 22, 2009 3:44 PM in reply to Indie Pro
It is kind of fun watching all the Obamapologists twisting themselves into knots pretending that Obama showed leadership on this issue. He didn't, but it's still fun to watch.
The thing that really sucks is that George W. Bush managed to get virtually every destructive, 14th-Century-esque bit of legislation he wanted. It didn't matter how many Rethug votes he had, it didn't even matter if Rethugs were in the majority. Bush pretty much got what he wanted.
On what was purported to be his signature piece of legislation, Obama's approach was, "Any bill at any cost. Mission Accomplished."
It's easier to cave than to lead. At least for Democrats.
http://www.bartcop.com/caveman-pledge.jpg
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 22, 2009 3:52 PM in reply to EastWest
True. Sad, but true. Come next election I won't waste my vote on someone "electable". I'll use it on someone who's practiced what he's preached. I should have seen it coming with his flippity-flop on warrantless wiretaps. But I didn't.
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lousgirl84
December 22, 2009 2:43 PM in reply to wbgonne
How can you stand yourself then?
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jron
December 22, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to wbgonne
this is sarcasm, right? it's getting hard to tell.
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lousgirl84
December 22, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to jron
No the banter between FreeRider and wbgonne is not sarcasm. Wbgonne is a troll and a stupid fucking idiot. FreeRider has wbgonne's number. It's no match for FreeRider. Watching him expose wbgonne is priceless
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:52 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Are you and the whale Humana teammates?
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jron
December 22, 2009 4:00 PM in reply to lousgirl84
haven't commented here in months so the names are unfamiliar. I thought it was decent sarcasm, though a little too over the top to be believable.
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jah627
December 22, 2009 12:10 PM
I agree with Gibbs -- The President has done absolutely everything he could... to turn health care reform over to the Health Care Industry.
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jah627
December 22, 2009 12:11 PM
I agree with Gibbs -- The President has done absolutely everything he could... to turn health care reform over to the Health Care Industry.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 12:12 PM
And you want to know what REALLY pisses me off? I thought this thing was on the level so I wasted a lot of time and energy thinking it made a difference.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 12:17 PM in reply to wbgonne
>>And you want to know what REALLY pisses me off?>>
NO.
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Indie Pro
December 22, 2009 12:12 PM
The California Nurses Association Weighs in on the Senate Bill
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/817940/-The-California-Nurses-Association-Weighs-in-on-the-Senate-Bill
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fbacon2
December 22, 2009 12:13 PM
Exhibit A: Dead horse. Exhibit B: TPM beating said horse.
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Phasor
December 22, 2009 12:18 PM
Lieberman reminds me of George Wallace standing in front of a schoolhouse door at the University of Alabama in an attempt to stop integration.
Medicare for all will happen.
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Kevin Sutton
December 22, 2009 12:19 PM
I guess that answers that. He didn't even refer to the PO in the response.
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Schmed
December 22, 2009 12:20 PM
....the president is very pleased with the Senate bill, which has 95 percent of what he wanted.
Which means he was fighting for delivering more tax dollars to the Corporate Overlords with little to no meaninful reform of actual health care (not fucking health care insurance). Yup, we know who's got our backs....which are being pissed on royally. "Tut, tut. Looks like rain."
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Why oh why
December 22, 2009 12:29 PM
But what does Ari Fleischer think?
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Eric Jaffa
December 22, 2009 12:32 PM
The nation heard Obama's lukewarm support for the public option in his joint-session speech in September.
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Now, it is -- it's worth noting that a strong majority of Americans still favor a public insurance option of the sort I've proposed tonight. But its impact shouldn't be exaggerated -- by the left or the right or the media. It is only one part of my plan, and shouldn't be used as a handy excuse for the usual Washington ideological battles. To my progressive friends, I would remind you that for decades, the driving idea behind reform has been to end insurance company abuses and make coverage available for those without it. (Applause.) The public option -- the public option is only a means to that end -- and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal. And to my Republican friends, I say that rather than making wild claims about a government takeover of health care, we should work together to address any legitimate concerns you may have. (Applause.)
For example -- for example, some have suggested that the public option go into effect only in those markets where insurance companies are not providing affordable policies. Others have proposed a co-op or another non-profit entity to administer the plan. These are all constructive ideas worth exploring.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/09/transcript-obama-health-care-remarks-to-a-joint-session-of-cong/
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creo13
December 22, 2009 12:44 PM
So, tell me what he was supposed to do with Lieberman or the other moderates that did not want the PO? If you see the writing on the wall that it cannot get the votes and you know you have to get something done...GET SOMETHING DONE!!! Work to fix the rest later after you've stopped the hemorrhaging. It's about progress. If you say this is not progress, I don't think you're looking at the entire picture. I want single payer, myself.
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Elizabeth2
December 22, 2009 2:49 PM in reply to creo13
You'll just get harassed for expressing this point of view -- but just wanted you to know that others DO agree with you. I'm impressed that so many people imbue him with magical, mystical, supernatural powers. I think very highly of the President, proudly campaigned for him and will proudly do so again, consider him extraordinarily intelligent and able -- but looking at the cast of characters he had to deal with and the Republican intransigence, it *never* occurred to me that he would be able to convince all 60 to go for the public option. --- In fact, Obama never suggested that he would be able to do that. If some folks choose to see him as supernatural, that's their choice, I suppose -- but it's sort of bad sport to then condemn him for being something he never claimed to be.
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714Day
December 22, 2009 12:55 PM
Oh, Puhleeease!!!! Even though I don't hold him entirely responsible for the pathetic gift to the insurance industry that's being offered up, this is an absurd claim. At the very least, his insistence on "bipartisanship" wasted time.
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Elizabeth2
December 22, 2009 2:54 PM in reply to 714Day
... which you wouldn't have considered that "wasted" at all if it had succeeded with just one or two Republicans, because then he wouldn't have had to make deals with the Liebermans and Nelsons. Unfortunately in real life, he has to decide what course to pursue *before* the results are known.
In any event, many things were achieved by his serious effort to be bipartisan: -- he confirmed that he was going to have to deal with the conservaDems, all of them -- the American people, at least those paying attention, have seen for themselves that the Republicans have no interest in helping to govern -- and I'm willing to bet there are some decent Republican Congresspeople who are so fed up with their own party that they are either thinking of switching or at least will be more independently cooperative in the future.
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714Day
December 22, 2009 4:33 PM in reply to Elizabeth2
It doesn't take a psychic to realize that NOT ONE GOP pol was going to vote for "Obamacare." Good Lord, the Blue Dogs have barely climbed aboard and that required bribery to go along with all of the other enticements.
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roxsteady
December 22, 2009 12:55 PM
While I would have liked to see the President fighting hard in public for the public option, he laid out what he wanted over the last 2 years. Even if he had blasted the Libermans and Nelsons, they write the legislation, not the President so, if those 2 clowns and Landrieu and Lincoln held their ground which they did, there's nothing the President could do. He would likely have alienated them and made the passage of future legislation on anything that much tougher. My point is that anyone who takes Liberman at this word is an idiot! He lies everytime he opens his mouth. Now, go hook up with the teabaggers who are equally gullible
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artwrite
December 22, 2009 12:57 PM
Blaming the president for turpitude of the senate is a bit shallow. He got what he could from a senate that is so impaired that it should be put to sleep permanently. He got more than anyone else has in a hundred goddam years. That is something.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:00 PM in reply to artwrite
If the cards were already dealt, Obama shouldn't have pretended the public option was viable. A lot of people could saved a lot of time and energy if they knew it was a bag job all along. THAT is Obama's fault: no one else's.
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Viva!America!
December 22, 2009 1:28 PM in reply to wbgonne
That's a load of bull. If the WH told you guys that the Public Option was a no go - the Left would have had a fit and demanded, petitioned and do whatever they can to get it back on the table. They told you that there was no political will for single payer and STILL people are mourning it as if it had a chance. And even now after Lieberman refuses to vote for the PO (and I don't think he is the only in the senate who is against it), progressives are still pressuring lawmakers to put it back.
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jron
December 22, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to artwrite
you are absolutely correct. he may not be as liberal as I'd like, but I knew that from the beginning, and one of the reasons I voted for him is that I thought he'd get things done. I'm more than pleased with how well he's done on that front so far.
by the way, I liked it better when the republicans were the country's whiners.
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lousgirl84
December 22, 2009 2:49 PM in reply to jron
Obama is a pragmatist plain and simple. He never pretended to be a progressive even though I believe he is - you cannot govern from the left and you saw what happened in the past 8 years governing from the right. You have to find a middle ground because you cannot please everyone on every issue. He has to make decisions based on the best information he has and I might add none of us has.
Grow the fuck up all of you crybaby whiners.
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FlownOver
December 22, 2009 1:05 PM
Lieberman's such a sphincter ani that if Obama had pressured him, it would have guaranteed his "no" vote. I still think the Senate bill sucks, almost as bad as status quo and a Republican victory would suck.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:11 PM in reply to FlownOver
Obama should apologize for misleading people about the viability and importance of the public option.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:21 PM in reply to wbgonne
You've spent weeks claiming that Obama never supported the public option. Now you're saying he mislead people about the viability and importance of the public option.
Man, you're pathetic! You're twisting yourself into knots in your rush to blame everything on Obama.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:28 PM in reply to FreeRider
And it turns out I was exactly right. Unfortunately.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:30 PM in reply to wbgonne
At 1:11PM you claimed he spent the year telling people how important and viable the public option was.
Confused? Being a shill for the funeral home industry will do that to you!
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:33 PM in reply to FreeRider
You really are stupid. Obama gave lip service to the public option for months while it turns out that all along he had already condemned it to death. In other words, he was being duplicitous (go look it up).
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VLaszlo
December 22, 2009 1:37 PM in reply to wbgonne
He may be stupid. On the other hand he is the spitting image of the party apparatchik. All he lacks is shiny jack boots.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:42 PM in reply to VLaszlo
I honestly cannot believe that Obama and the Dems have fucked this up so completely. Like Casey Stengel said while managing the Mets in their first year: Can't Anybody Here Play This Game?
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VLaszlo
December 22, 2009 1:57 PM in reply to wbgonne
you are not alone in your bewilderment. the only explanation I can come up with is this is a very cynical decision to run against left and right, tweak the lines of Bush-Cheney policy slightly to the left and create a new electoral majority as the new party of the center. this at least explains the odious choices of Emanuel, Gates, Geithner and Sumners. It also explains why the administration has been having a Sista Souljah moment lasting 11 months. hoping for progressive change from this administration is clearly a waste of time. I will not be surprised if we see the administration join with deficit hawks attacking social security and medicare. stay tuned.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:03 PM in reply to VLaszlo
Oh, wonderful. More Triangulation. Another Third Way. The DLC reigns supreme. Well, I didn't sign up for that shit.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 1:55 PM in reply to wbgonne
But, but, but, YOU said he MISLED YOU and should apologize. So, you're so stupid you were fooled by "lip service."
Wbgonne says: Tax breaks for cancer-causing tanning beds because they're the "little guy."
People don't die from lack of insurance.
Obama fooled you even though it was clear he was never sincere.
Add one more thing to the "Why Wbgonne is a moron" column!
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:57 PM in reply to FreeRider
You're right. Obama tricked me. He also tricked many other people. But don't worry: it won't happen again.
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 2:04 PM in reply to wbgonne
Oooooohhhhhh, I'm scared. The president is quaking in his boots because the little whiny titty baby is going show that mean ole Obama when he posts some really mean stuff on the Internets!
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:10 PM in reply to FreeRider
An insurance industry expression?
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FreeRider
December 22, 2009 2:15 PM in reply to wbgonne
You have officially jumped the shark. Your arguments have gone from lame to downright stupid.
1. Anyone who supports this bill is working for the RNC or the insurance company.
2. No one dies from lack of health insurance.
3. Cancer-causing tanning booths should be given tax breaks.
Pathetic little whiny titty baby.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 2:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
I can't believe you wrote that. Even in the negative, it is blasphemous. Insurance Companies uber alles.
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sbv
December 22, 2009 1:13 PM
gibbs and rahm better get their stories straight; barack himself said on 60 minutes, "this is democracy in action." no, president obama it is not; not when a minority of self-serving, dishonest, bought and paid for democrats in name only (thanks rahm) can supercede the will of a majority of citizens, as in "we the people."
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:26 PM
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JadeZ
December 22, 2009 1:30 PM
gibbs is telling us nothing here.
explain exactly "all he did" .
but, some of us already know and the rest you dont what to tell.
and release the minutes of the deals obama made with the insurance and drug industries.
then tell us who obama called to pressure for a strong PO, when the people wanted it to be part of the bill!
total BS gibbs.....................................
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CT Voter
December 22, 2009 1:41 PM
Why is Joe Lieberman suddenly believable now?
Why?
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:43 PM in reply to CT Voter
Because the president's spokesman confirmed what he said.
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CT Voter
December 22, 2009 1:47 PM in reply to wbgonne
Gibbs didn't say he didn't pressure Lieberman. You're reading between the lines. Maybe Obama didn't, but you have to make some assumptions to arrive there.
I'm not arguing about whether Obama wanted the public option, or whether he reneged on campaign promises, either--I'm just saying that Lieberman is a suspect witness, and Gibbs was vague.
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wbgonne
December 22, 2009 1:55 PM in reply to CT Voter
Well, to the extent it is a mystery that is the White House'd doing. And when someone is intentionally vague, you're right -- I do tend to read between the lines.
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fbacon2
December 22, 2009 5:40 PM in reply to CT Voter
Politico and Arianna Huffington have become credible sources through this whole process. Why not Lieberman?
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CT Voter
December 22, 2009 5:48 PM in reply to fbacon2
Hah!
People are awfully quick to believe Joe Lieberman when what Joe says fits a pre-existing narrative that the WH DID NOTHING ABOUT THE PUBLIC OPTION!!!! and equally quick to disown Lieberman, er LIEberman.
I see this as a problem.
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fbacon2
December 22, 2009 6:25 PM in reply to CT Voter
Next up, Joe Lieberman will leak a story to Mike Allen revealing the details of a secret conversation he had with Obama over the White House Hanukkah party in which the president concedes that he never minded all those nasty things Lieberman said when he was campaigning for John McCain.
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 22, 2009 3:48 PM
He did everything his Big Pharma and Insurance puppet masters said HE COULD.
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