Grijalva Says The Senate Public Option Compromise Is A Non-Starter

maybe it's time to give up the 60 vote dream in the senate, and look to simple majority alternatives that'll work best for the people and democrats in the end!

Another idiot. Thanks for nothing Raul. At least you've got yours.

And the award for the Best Lead-in to Snark goes to:

The Commentator Formerly Lnown as NCSteve!

Congratulations!

ps: I liked it! I really liked it!

So far I don't see where they filled the whole in the middle i.e. under 55 over 130%(or whatever the percentage is)poverty level...so business and everyone else???

Wyden has a bi-partisan amendment with a republican senator Collins to increase choice that sounds interesting.

Bottom line if they don't increase choice and reduce costs...

the must remove the mandate.

The bottom line is this: all Republicans are compassion-free, soulless, corporate whores. ALL OF THEM, those in government and those trolling here. About 10-20 percent of the Democrats are. The rest are not willing to stand by while thousands die and millions suffer. So they will, in the end, 'give in' to pass some incremental bill. The other side couldn't give less of a shit, so if the whole thing implodes, so what?

Weeferdog

great idea, grajouliujlkjoijsh!!! as stated above, many of the most established progressive minds on capitol hill are, if not amped about it, seemingly satisfied with the senate bill. but grajmkkoiiskmdk is going to threaten to kill it in the name of progressivenessicity. insurance companies will continue to rescind coverage from, and deny coverage to, the sick. the number of uninsured will grow. all because grajiiiikklonni didn't get a "public option." what a doofus.

maybe his stupidity will dawn on him when he gets the thank you note from limbaugh, mcconnell, boehner.

Here is a great "Open Letter" to President Obama. Pass it on, and maybe he will wake up and read it some day.

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3395

You ignorami who complain that the bill will do nothing to contain cost are naive and uneducated. Read Atul Gawande's New Yorker article (this week's) and then come back. It's amazing how cocky the uninformed are.

And to think that there are some people (see ignoramus JadeZ above) who long for the days of a GOP congress. That's why this is in shambles. EIGHT YEARS OF DUBYA AND DICK!

I'm not from Arizona, but by happy coincidence I spent some time at a lunch talking with Raul Grijalva a few years ago. Any disrespect shown him is not justified. If you are a liberal Democrat Raul is your man. Of course if your only tie to the Democratic Party is through Obama, and you can take or leave any other Democrat, then I can see why you wouldn't want to hear what he is saying.

If this Senate bill passes as is proposed now, the health insurance industry will have been give a Christmas present to die for - and numerous Americans will do just that. Can you even imagine a bill being passed that would require every American to purchase a new car? This bill requires that we all hand over what ever the monopoly insurance company serving our area asks for, or face a tax penalty. In return we get what we had before the bill passed, but with one more promise that we won't be stuck with "pre-existing condition" crap, and wont be kicked out for having the gall to actually use the insurance. Sometime in the future, unless the Repubs gain control of Congress, we might possibly find a way to buy insurance from someone other than the monopoly insurance company in our area.

I didn't use to believe in Santa Claus, but now I see if you are a health insurance executive or stock holder, Santa Claus is actually the US Congress.

Thanks to Grijalva, progressive voices are identified with lunacy... and for good reason. Raul is but one of the brain-dead generation of progressives not unlike the Palinites and "hoppycal" crowd. Obama has called serious progressives to be serious people with working brains in the 21st century as it is time to give up smoking 420 24/7. Grijalva & Joe Lieberman are of the same stripe: assholes without critical thinking abilities, the enemies of the good. The comments posted here by old, drug-addled, brainless 60's "progressives" demonstrate who is the enemy of 21st century progress in this country. If you haven't been told, the fact is that the day of old hippies is over... btw, I am an old hippy... but, I had a good graces to grow up. Obama belongs to the 21st century and not the 1960s... and he has led us into the new century. If you want to live in the 1960s, stick with GWB because he had more going for him than you will ever have.... in other words, it's time to cut off your pony tails and grow up.

You folks can sit around hoping some bureaucrat in DC will find your sad little life viable enough to save with your own money.

I've been doing some research. Medical tourism has great potential. Of course, no one wants to travel very far from home for medical care. However, if this dung heap of a bill passes, some enterprising organization will take it to a whole new level.

Medical cruise ships. Why not extend that vacation a few extra days and get full medical care on board? That's right. Forget the long lines, illegals and rationing. All testing is done right on board, and if a problem is found, it's treated immediately by top docs in a state of the art surgical center, cancer treatment deck, or rehab center. Final recovery takes place on the Lido deck with a nice Pina Colada.

There are some real benefits to operating a top notch hospital in international waters. The docs would certainly fair better financially. Customers would pay cash for services and cabins just as they would for any cruise vacation. Insurance policies for major medical procedures would be sold exclusively by American Express.

Just a few miles off the coast, a whole new medical industry is just waiting to be born.