
It's not just stalling for fun and games - Republicans blocking health care from moving forward using Senate procedure think if they can force Democrats to go home for the holidays without a vote, they might just kill the bill.
The reasoning is that August was bad for Democrats when they went back to their districts and faced angry voters. Now, as polls tip against them and there's party infighting, it might be even worse.
TPMDC checked in with Republican sources and some Democrats who say lawmakers could face the cold shoulder at best or angry constituents reminiscent of the summer town halls at worst if they leave town without voting on the bill.
And the clock is ticking. Thanks to Senate rules, if they want to vote on the final bill by Christmas eve, leadership has just a few days to wrap it up.
Republican aides were reluctant to reveal their plans, but today was a bit of a preview as they slowed down the chamber's actions by more than three hours.
Using parliamentary procedure to slow things down is exactly what the GOP is aiming for - a dual win of headline-grabbing theater and delay that throws a wrench into leadership's timeline.
"People like this bill less every single day. At some point, Democrats are going to listen to them," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Not to be outdone, the Democrats painted the Republicans as obstructionists who are forcing U.S. troops to wait for new funding during the holiday season.
Political rhetoric aside, the delay is a real concern and the GOP is seizing on new polls suggesting support for health care has slipped.
As we have reported, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said President Obama is perfectly willing to sign the bill on the beach from Hawaiian vacation, but few on the health care team expect that to happen.
Especially since Democratic leaders in the other chamber don't want to keep their members in town waiting for the Senate to pass its bill.
But going home may prove perilous.
Republicans had initially threatened to read the entire health care bill, but Stewart said that's not an option since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn't presented his final version to members.
Beyond today, the GOP is likely to ask for cloture motions on every single possible level to slow the bill down. Their moves last week forced Reid to cancel a campaign fundraiser.
Sen. Mark Warner told TPMDC in an interview (more on that here) that Republican requests to "start over" are disingenuous. "That's code for let's kick the can down the road a decade," he said.
The Senate broke the logjam today after losing about three hours of work time in total, and Republican aides say their party has the momentum while progressive Democrats are frustrated with leadership.
"The Democrats still can't tell Americans what this bill will cost because it hasn't been scored by CBO," a GOP campaign source said. "So they are in a very dangerous political position right now."
Follow our up-to-the-minute health care coverage here.
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Indie Pro
December 16, 2009 2:57 PM
Gibbs said President Obama is perfectly willing to sign the bill on the beach from Hawaiian vacation, but few on the health care team expect that to happen.
nice PR.
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Indie Pro
December 16, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to Indie Pro
This is what this says to me,
while the President vacations on the beach, Congress will be making sure Insurance Corporations get exactly what they want from your bank account. A law that says pay them, or else pay a penalty.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 16, 2009 5:41 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Oh my god! We may end up with a system like the horror that exists in Massachusetts which, it turns out, people are actually pretty satisfied with.
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Indie Pro
December 16, 2009 5:51 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country, according to a new analysis that highlights the state’s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs after passage of a landmark 2006 law that mandated coverage for nearly everyone.
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/08/22/bay_state_health_insurance_premiums_highest_in_country/
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Tanjaoui
December 16, 2009 7:04 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Ergo, the most expensive health care in the world. I know. Premiums went up 20% and now I have a $2,000 deductible to meet before anything is covered.
What regulations exist in Massachusetts will be circumvent by a provision in the Reid's bill allowing insurance companies to form interstate compacts, so they can set up in states with lenient insurance regulation. I have my doubts about health care regulation in Mississippi.
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Bud-in-Florida
December 18, 2009 11:49 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
The more regulation, the less competition. The less competition, the higher the prices. The government has never kept the costs down on anything - witness $100 hammers for the military.
Medicare - broke
Medicaid - broke
Social Security - broke
You want them to take over your health care?
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PorkBelly
December 16, 2009 2:59 PM
This whole healthcare reform process in the Senate has become a grotesque farce.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 16, 2009 3:05 PM in reply to PorkBelly
The bigger the sausage, the less you want to see of how it's made.
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Kevin Sutton
December 16, 2009 3:17 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I worked as a sausage packer for two days. It's touching them that gets to you.
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Ion
December 16, 2009 3:17 PM
This process is a farce, but as Feingold and Weiner point out, it's leading to exactly the type of "reform" - i.e., very little and pro-corporate, at that - that President Obama and his team wanted all along.
Funny, given how people around here feel about Ben Bernacke, the public option, single payer, and Medicare buy-in, ENDA, card check, etc., etc., are those of us who pointed out Obama's horrible cabinet appointments some months ago still "concern trolls"? Told ya....
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masanf
December 16, 2009 4:31 PM in reply to Ion
If Feingold hates this bill so much, why hasn't he come out with his intention to oppose cloture? If he is pissed at Obama over the outcome, why give the man a "victory" particularly on a bill Feingold seems to think stinks. If he votes for cloture on a bill he has stated is a bad one, he is just as bad as the rest of them.
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Ion
December 16, 2009 4:59 PM in reply to masanf
Voting for a bill is very different from using the power of the Presidency and its control over the DNC to narrow significantly the parameters of possible reform.
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masanf
December 16, 2009 4:29 PM
Sanders could have introduced this amendment in a way that would have made it easier to prevent Coburn from doing what he is doing, but he didn't. It seems to indicate that his objections to Coburn's actions are a show and he really hates the bill being considered.
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ejg3
December 16, 2009 5:23 PM
The GOP and their helpers are trying to turn the Health Care Debate into the nightmare before Christmas.
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Overreach THIS!
December 16, 2009 6:11 PM
So if they pass the bill in the Senate this week...it may take some of the spring out of the Yuletide teabaggers' steps, no?
Their grimy little know-nothing neo-Fascist faces all aglow, notwithstanding?
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masanf
December 16, 2009 6:55 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Actually, the reaction would probably be quite the opposite. They will probably be even more motivated to vote out the Dems in 2010, a year that was already shaping up to be a dismal one for the Democratic Party.
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Matt Jones
December 16, 2009 7:26 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Eventually, one of the teabagger leaders will actually read a tiny particle of history and find out what happened to the leaders of the Brownshirts. Should be amusing...
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Powkat
December 16, 2009 6:18 PM
And 123 people die every day they delay. Come 2010 if the Dems don't run on that they deserve to lose.
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masanf
December 16, 2009 6:59 PM in reply to Powkat
The only people who will be swayed by such bullshit over the top "oppose this bill and you are a murderer" bullshit are those who were going to vote Dem anyway.
Those who oppose this bill overwhelmingly outnumber those who support it. Are they complicitious in the deaths of individuals who don't have health care?
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masanf
December 16, 2009 6:54 PM
The new left-wing talking point on this whole debate is pure bullshit. That new talking point seems to be DISSENT=MURDER. I'm curious, when are the people here going to start deploying the Nazi analogies?
And if this bill is so fucking great like the Democrats claim it is, why would they object to defending it in front of their constituents? The absolutely undeniable fact of the matter is that the piece of shit Senate bill is highly unpopular, and everyone knows it. The left was in love with citing polls on the public option, and Dems tried to use its supposed popularity as a trump card every time someone opposed their plans. What happened to their enthusiasm for citing polls?
I am torn on the whole issue of this bill. Should I oppose it because it is a piece of shit, or should I support it because it is a piece of shit the passage of which will almost certainly guarantee the Dems get killed in 2010?
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Seafarer
December 16, 2009 6:57 PM in reply to masanf
Because they aren't facing their "constituents"; rich white Republicans are shipping in carpetbaggers from out of their states and districts to engage in harassment.
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expat46
December 16, 2009 8:10 PM in reply to masanf
Hey masanf, shouldn't you be looking for Obama's long form birth certificate?
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John McDonald
December 16, 2009 6:59 PM
What's this about saving 123 people a day?
We could spend 1/100 as much money and save 1000 times as many people in the Third World.
Or maybe you think only Americans are human?
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John McDonald
December 16, 2009 7:04 PM
Let's hope all Dems continue to deny reality and label the healthcare protests as shipped-in carpetbaggers.
Then 2010 really will be a great year...
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atticus1104
December 16, 2009 7:58 PM
Read about Chuck Norris’s take on health care reform here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3412
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ilovebacon
December 16, 2009 8:52 PM
Classy language. Are you a rightwing loonie or a leftwing loonie? I can't tell the difference these days.
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 16, 2009 9:02 PM in reply to ilovebacon
I'm mainstream. You'll find that most Americans support Progressive policies. As for my language, I don't really care what you think. Lieberman, Snowe, Obama, they are all so polite, and we get fucked all the same.
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bheartlib
December 16, 2009 9:46 PM
It is over. There is no health insurance reform, there is only more money to the insurance companies. By mandate, no less. We will be forced to pay 'protection' money to the insurance industry. If we cannot afford enough, we taxpayers will pay the difference. The repubs are only comedy relief, they have no real input in this mess. They are irrelevant. The real joke is that if the dems pass this mess, the insurance companies win, and the dems lose. If they do not pass anything, the repubs win and the dems lose, and the country loses. What breaks my heart is that the people who are really trying to help us all are being silenced and shut down. The big money wins. I watched Sen. Sanders take his amendment off the table. It was more than I could stand. Lieberman will never be elected to any office ever again. But, the joke is on us becuase he will be set for life....financed by Aetna. Ha Ha.
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manyamile
December 16, 2009 11:54 PM
The Republican senate and House .. i have not an ounce of respect left for them, their direction or their tactics.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 10:43 PM
Funny, given how people around here feel about Ben Bernacke, the public option, single payer, and Medicare buy-in, ENDA, card check, etc., etc., are those of us who pointed out Obama's horrible cabinet appointments some months ago still "concern trolls"? Told ya....
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