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Is Coburn's 'Die Sooner' The Same As Grayson's 'Die Quickly'?

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Republicans howled with outrage when Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) said that the Republican health care plan was for people who get sick to "die quickly." So we thought it would be fun to check in with some of them about Sen. Coburn's (R-OK) remark that seniors will be told to "die sooner" under the Dems' bill in the Senate.

I asked NRCC spokesman Andy Seré -- who has frequently criticized Grayson's (D-FL) outspoken attacks against the Republicans -- what difference there could be between the two. Seré told me that Grayson's signs and theatrical approach are important.

"I think what Alan Grayson did was go on to the floor of the House with ready-made props, in an attempt to get on TV and make noise, and followed it up with several intentionally inflammatory and hyper-partisan statements," said Seré, "So I think that is what made the Grayson comments so disturbing, it was all about him."

"Grayson accused Republicans of wanting people to die," Seré added. "That is a wildly irresponsible indictment of what's in the hearts of half of his constituents."

Coburn spokesman John Hart also rejected the comparison: "Here's the difference. Dr. Coburn doesn't believe his opponents want seniors to die sooner. He's questioning their judgment, ideas and policies, not motives. He simply believes the Reid bill will have that effect because those who wrote the legislation lack any real world medical expertise and are relying on the same tired ideology that believes more government is the solution to every problem."

When asked to respond to Coburn's remarks, Harry Reid spokesman Jim Manley told us: "Same old stuff, different day from a guy with serious credibility issues. The truth about what will happen to Americans' health care if we don't pass reform is scary enough without Senator Coburn's lies about what will happen if we do. In reality, our bill will save lives, save money and save Medicare."

Hart shot back at Manley as part of a group of "unelected staffers, political hacks and career politicians and lawyers in Washington" who don't know medicine -- and also said that voters in Nevada and elsewhere should "apply comparative effectiveness research of their own and ration the terms of elected officials in Washington."

Here's Hart's statement to us:

"Jim Manley offers no facts about the Reid bill because he has none on his side. The American people don't support the Reid bill because it will increase costs, ration care, cut Medicare and, as David Broder wrote, 'bust the budget'. The Reid bill is a more of the same government-centered, rather than patient-centered, approach we've seen for decades. Soon enough voters in Nevada and across the country will have a chance to apply comparative effectiveness research of their own and ration the terms of elected officials in Washington who support the Reid bill."

"Also, the last place Dr. Coburn, a practicing physician, looks for lessons in continuing medical education is to unelected staffers, political hacks and career politicians and lawyers in Washington who have never delivered care to a single patient, much less entire classes of patients."

Grayson's office did not return our requests for comment. A spokesperson for the AARP, which is supporting the health care reform effort (but has thus far not committed to the current Senate bill), declined to comment immediately.

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December 1, 2009 5:41 PM   

"Grayson accused Republicans of wanting people to die," - Andy Seré

And Coburn accused Democrats of wanting to kill people through policy.

"Here's the difference. Dr. Coburn doesn't believe his opponents want seniors to die sooner. He's questioning their judgment, ideas and policies, not motives." - John Hart

I seem to remember a popular meme for the anti-gun control lobby, which Coburn no-doubt supports whole heartedly. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Doesn't seem to jive here. His attacks are on Democrats directly. I doubt he's read the bill itself.

"The Reid bill is a more of the same government-centered, rather than patient-centered, approach we've seen for decades" - John Hart

How is reform equivalent to 'more of the same'? Is he talking about Medicare? I thought Republicans love Medicare now...

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December 1, 2009 5:44 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

All that said, Grayson and Coburn's comments are exactly the same in this context. The only difference is that Republicans can and will get away with it.

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December 1, 2009 6:35 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

The difference is that Grayson's comment referred to a hypothetical "Republican health-care plan" (which didn't exist) versus Coburn's reference to the *actual* bill.

Grayson's comment is rhetorical hyperbole (can't be shown to be true or false) - Coburn's is, like the rest of the "deathers" arguments, a LIE. Unless of course, Sen. Coburn can demonstrate where in the bill it actually says this.

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December 1, 2009 6:53 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

Touche.

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December 2, 2009 2:36 AM    in reply to Matt Jones

Bullseye!

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December 2, 2009 12:20 AM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

"that we've seen for decades"? He's kidding, right? Like under the anti-government baby in the bathtub crew?

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December 1, 2009 6:07 PM   

"...it will increase costs, ration care, cut Medicare and, as David Broder wrote, 'bust the budget'."

Ah yes, now we know who the Repubs go to for their (clueless) financial advice! As opposed to, say, the nonpartisan CBO.

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December 1, 2009 6:33 PM   

It's worse because Coburn is lying while Grayson wasn't.

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December 1, 2009 7:31 PM   

Of course it isn't the same: Coburn is making his statement up out of whole cloth, while Grayson, who said and did what he did because he had discovered that the Republicans famously waving their "alternate" plan when Obama made his bicameral address were touting an absolutely blank document. So, he was correct: their plan was precisely nothing. Coburn is making baseless accusations about actual program and policy proposals. Can he back them up? And if not, then he should be censured.

Just remember, he's a C Streeter who hates the poor and thinks Jesus is on the side of the wealthy and powerful. So any supposed 'sympathy' he has for seniors is pretty specious.

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December 1, 2009 8:25 PM   

"The American people don't support the Reid bill because it will increase costs, ration care, cut Medicare and, as David Broder wrote, 'bust the budget'."

So I guess the Republican plan is to cut costs, expand care, increase Medicare and balance the budget.

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December 1, 2009 9:20 PM   

So, when exactly did Hart get elected to anything? I believe he just told us to ignore what he says because he's just part of a group of "unelected staffers, political hacks and career politicians and lawyers in Washington"? My, my.

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December 2, 2009 10:58 AM    in reply to MKSinSA

Pot-kettle-black.

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December 1, 2009 9:36 PM   

Nice fluff part in your hair, Cobie. But I can still see that you're balding!

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December 2, 2009 6:31 AM   

Hey . Tom Coburn, you sir are a lying douchebag that doesn't deserve to represent the chipmunks let alone your constituents.

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December 2, 2009 8:22 AM   

Grayson said that the Republican plan for healthcare was, don't get sick and if you do get sick, die quickly. He was speaking tongue-in-cheek to illustrate a harsh reality: that without healthcare reform, these are the only options available for many Americans.

Repeat: harsh reality. Happening now. And any legislator who refuses to fix this situation is de facto helping to perpetuate it. So Grayson was speaking the truth in the most brutal way possible to drive home the message.

Coburn, by contrast, is merely fear-mongering. The cuts in Medicare will not result in people getting less care. But you probably won't see as many of those free fitness club memberships now given out under Medicare's privately administered, government subsidized plans.

Putting Grayson and Coburn into the same file folder simply because they talked of death as a consequence is a false equivalence. What Grayson spoke of is already happening. Every day. What Coburn spoke of is bull.

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