
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) confirmed moments ago that he will support the Senate health care bill, which will soon be amended to include new, more restrictive abortion language. But, he says, he reserves the right to filibuster the very final version of health care legislation if it changes significantly when Senate and House negotiators meet to agree upon a single package of reforms.
"Without in any way intending to be threatening--to be more in the more of promising--let me be clear, this cloture vote is based on full understanding that there will be a limited conference between the Senate and the House," Nelson said. "If there are material changes in that conference report, different from this bill, that adversely affect the agreement, I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote--let me repeat it--I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote if there are material changes to this agreement in the conference report. And I will vote against it if that is the case.
Unlike the so-called Stupak language in the House, Nelson's abortion language would not forbid people who receive subsidy assistance from the federal government from buying insurance policies that cover abortion. However, according to Nelson, the money that pays for each such policy will have to be separated into two pools--one that pays for the abortion coverage, and one for all other services.
We'll get more guidance for you as soon as possible.
ilovebacon
December 19, 2009 10:49 AM
Don't blow it lefties.
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 19, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to ilovebacon
Blow what, a bad bill? I guess you also are a small man with no convictions who stands for nothing. NEXT!
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ilovebacon
December 24, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
This bill is the greatest achievement for liberalism since Social Security.
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Indie Pro
December 19, 2009 10:53 AM
atleast now people will stop pretending this is gonna get better in conference
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Indie Pro
December 19, 2009 10:55 AM in reply to Indie Pro
and if someone wanted to kil the bill, and have it fall on a conservatives head, here's your chance
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Walter Mitty
December 19, 2009 10:54 AM
Why not just put Nelson on the conference committee?
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theone718
December 19, 2009 10:54 AM
Bullshit. Noway anyone votes against this bill after conference when it is THAT CLOSE to passage. The weight of history will be too much to bear.
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wbgonne
December 19, 2009 10:56 AM in reply to theone718
Exactly! So let's put the public option back in in conference.
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Indie Pro
December 19, 2009 10:57 AM in reply to wbgonne
and bring the industry back under anti-trust laws
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Indie Pro
December 19, 2009 11:13 AM in reply to Indie Pro
but then, when they don't change anything in the conference report, then you know they got what they wanted all along.
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 19, 2009 11:41 AM in reply to theone718
There is no weight of history. The only "historic" element of this bill is the strength of the stench from what the Senate shat.
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Middle Road
December 19, 2009 10:56 AM
Great, for anyone keeping count, PO is out and abortion ban is in. Enjoy the mandates!
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hoppycalif2
December 19, 2009 11:03 AM
This is going to be the Democrats most disgusting moment. But, I hope it passes, then before a year is past amendments to every other bill going through the senate should delete the anti-abortion passages, put insurance companies back under anti-trust laws, up the percentage of gross income that has to pay for insurance to 90% from 80%, move up the start dates for all parts of the bill to 2011 at the latest, etc. I see the military appropriations bill, funding for the fiasco in Afghanistan, farm price supports, etc. as good targets for these amendments.
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geofu54
December 19, 2009 11:33 AM in reply to hoppycalif2
Yes, let's get this damn thing done. And some of those things you mentioned and others we can get done via reconciliation.
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tommyo
December 19, 2009 11:20 AM
"He's In!" ?????? As if this latest example of the Demnocrats corrupion and incompetence is something to celebrate.
This is a historic moment. The complete debasement of the Democratic Party is marked by this Christmas present to the insurance industry. This is on top of the their incredibly servile actions for their banking masters.
Now people will be forced to buy into the very system they campaigned to reform, with no public option to turn to. It's the complete opposite of what they campaigned for.
How in the world can anyone call this an achievement? It's a disgrace.
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beanie
December 19, 2009 11:37 AM
As broke as CA is we sure could use the 100% Federal Medicaid funding Nelson was able to get. Nabraska the only state to get 100% funding. I have no issue with the funding I am just saying we have a lot of poor people in CA too that need help.
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CranialRectalLoopback
December 19, 2009 11:38 AM
Wow. A man who can't hold to his convictions strikes a deal with a man who can't keep his promises. A man who opposed the public option made a deal with a man who wouldn't speak in favor of a public option make a deal to send MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY FOR A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH PROGRAM.
Fuck Nelson, Fuck Obama. Small men with no integrity both.
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acamus
December 19, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
You forgot to curse the people of Nebraska for electing Nelson as their representative. This is a democracy after all.
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david46
December 19, 2009 12:02 PM
Paul Krugman was absolutely correct in his column yesterday. I have believed and worked in what little ways I can for national health care my adult life--40+ years. I was House staff in 1993-94 and watched with personal anguish Bill Clinton drop the ball. Personally, I favor single payer and believe this is the most cost effective and fairest method, but that will not happen. There is much to like about the Senate bill. It is far more than "better than nothing."
Rally around this bill, let's get it enacted, go into the 2010 elections on the attack, and in 2011, start the improvement effort. I sincerely believe that this is what EMK would be doing; read his book and I think you will reach the same conclusion.
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lifeofreilly
December 19, 2009 2:24 PM in reply to david46
Thank you. Nicely said.
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rachelrebecca
December 19, 2009 4:45 PM in reply to david46
Finally some common sense. Most of the commenters around here act like Obama and Reid could have passed a public option if they'd just tried harder, as if Nelson would suddenly become a movement liberal.
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Kittylc
December 19, 2009 11:42 PM in reply to david46
Well said. We don't have a progressive majority, we have a Democratic majority - we have conservatives, moderates, and progressives. It's up to us to push the candidates, primary out others, and get Lieberman out of there.
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druncan
December 19, 2009 12:35 PM
"I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote--let me repeat it--I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote if there are material changes to this agreement in the conference report."
Yes yes Ben we heard you. We get it. You're the most important person in the world right now.
Although, I sure would love to hear you explain to your constituents why you voted against all that money you secured for them, though.
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Jonathan Swiftboat
December 19, 2009 2:13 PM
The only reason there was ANY consideration of progressive health care/insurance reform is the 60-member Democratic Senate caucus. If after the 2008 elections the Dem caucus was not 60 members, there would be NO reform. The problem has not been Lieberman or Nelson or the other conservadems, but the unmanageable Senate rules/procedures and the paralyzing fear of every single Republican that participating in good faith for the benefit of the country would inevitably lead to a primary challenge from a right-winger well-funded by the Club for Growth and with constant free publicity from Fox and the talkradio/blogosphere complex. The major story of this legislation that has been totally ignored by mainstream media is the ideological rigidity of the Republican party. Has any Sunday morning talk host or any cable host asked Mitch McConnell or other Republicans why they refuse to permit a straight up or down vote on legislation and their new practice of filibustering most major and some minor legislation and how this differs from their position when Dems were threatening to filibuster during the Bush/Republican majority years?
Nobody in or out of Congress has any idea of how the finalized legislation will actually play out in terms of the impact on premiums, improved access to care, payment structures based on outcomes and not provision of services, research and development in medical/pharmaceutical industries and insurance company profits. It is likely that there will sufficient macro data and anecdotal micro experience to make the effect of the legislation and the need for modification a major issue in the 2016 Presidential and Congressional elections.
Once legislation is passed, the President and Democratic Senators and Representatives should immediately begin an ongoing PR campaign, regularly introducing constituents who have lost or been denied access to insurance and/or health care that would have been provided if the legislation were currently in place, and then once the legislation becomes effective, regularly introduce constituents who have gained/ maintained insurance or gained access to care that would not have been available without the legislation. The White House should sponsor a few health fairs on the White House grounds for D.C. residents and residents of nearby states, highlighting that the U.S. still needs to resort to methods generally found only in the 3rd world to provide health care for its citizens. If not already a Democratic Party policy, the party needs one that states "unimpeded access to health care is a right, not a privilege".
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david46
December 19, 2009 3:41 PM in reply to Jonathan Swiftboat
Well said!
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elle a
December 19, 2009 3:49 PM
when is this nelson guy up for reelection??
its people like these that need to be voted out, and i dont mean that as snark or just venting. he needs to be voted out. what is his problem?
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ind.amer
December 20, 2009 3:36 PM
Wow, is this where all the geniuses hang out. The reason the general public doesn't accept these socialist ideas is because they rewards the stupid and lazy at the expense of the hard working. This entire piece of legislation is garbage and does nothing substantial to reduce costs. There is a reason the Democrats have been hiding this bill, it stinks!!!
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Alan in SF
January 5, 2010 8:33 PM
Let him fillibuster, then throw him out of the party. Or don't even bother calling yourself a political party.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 5:51 AM
This is a historic moment. The complete debasement of the Democratic Party is marked by this Christmas present to the insurance industry. This is on top of the their incredibly servile actions for their banking masters.
Now people will be forced to buy into the very system they campaigned to reform, with no public option to turn to. It's the complete opposite of what they campaigned for.
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