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Brian Beutler reports in from Capitol Hill:

Sen. Ben Nelson told reporters today he will filibuster the health care bill if it doesn't contain an abortion amendment similar to Rep. Bart Stupak's amendment that passed attached to the House health care bill last month.

"I will not vote to take it off the floor," said Nelson (D-NE).

"Now I don't know that it's going to come down to that, because I don't know that Stupak's not going to pass, number one," he said. "Number two I don't know what kind of alternative legislation may be offered as an alternative bill. I don't know what the next steps are, but I've made it clear that whatever is finally considered has to have that language in it."

We'll update as senators react to this latest.

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December 3, 2009 12:11 PM   

i wonder if the wonder twins might jump on the wagon just to keep stupak off it.

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December 3, 2009 12:18 PM   

President Nelson has spoken, I see.

Olympia? Susan? President Nelson is trying to take over your turf...

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December 3, 2009 12:30 PM   

Nelson reminds me of Butters in South Park when he puts on his "General Disarray" outfit and thinks he's got super powers.

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December 3, 2009 1:45 PM    in reply to traitorjoe

Captain chaos. LOL.

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December 3, 2009 12:45 PM   

Do these people even care about us in general? Do they care that their constituents are dying and suffering every day because of the lack of health care? I seriously doubt it. They don't care about ANYTHING but their own wallets. All they care about is covering their own asses so they can get a cushy job when they leave public office. They vote the way the corps want with the promise of a 6-7 figure salaried job when they join the private sector. This should be outlawed. Lobbyism should be illegal.

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December 3, 2009 12:56 PM    in reply to hologram5

Short answer: No.

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December 3, 2009 12:54 PM   

Women hating cretin. I am moving to nebraska to vote this prick out of office.

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December 3, 2009 1:46 PM    in reply to pmb50

I doubt this oaf so much hates women as he is simply seeking to derive power and approval from those who do.

I realize that is a distinction without much difference, of course...

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December 3, 2009 12:55 PM   

Women hating cretin. I am moving to nebraska to vote this prick out of office.

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December 3, 2009 1:15 PM   

Hey, idiot...Go jump off a cliff. You and your government have no right whatsoever to tell me what I can and can't do with my body.

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December 3, 2009 3:40 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

Yeah, and you have no fucking right to tell me that I have to pay for your elective abortion moron.

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December 3, 2009 1:29 PM   

I am so tired of men sticking their noses in a woman's uterus. We are not incubators and should have control over our own bodies. Men, if you want to legislate reproduction, grow your own uterus or keep what you already have in your pants.

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December 3, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to Andreams

Oh that is priceless. Brava!!!

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December 3, 2009 3:42 PM    in reply to Andreams

If you want an abortion, pay for it yourself. Don't expect the taxpayer to subsidize it. I am so tired of politicians sticking their nose in my wallet.

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December 4, 2009 8:07 PM    in reply to masanf

As much as I hate to disappoint you, I'm 60 years old, relatively well off financially and have no need of any of your money. The bill does NOT use taxpayer money for abortions. Nelson and Stupak are trying to destroy Roe v. Wade and that cannot be allowed. Again, men need to keep their nose out of it until women can decide what men do with their bodies. That could be so very much fun....

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December 3, 2009 4:26 PM    in reply to Andreams

Just a little way in?

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December 3, 2009 1:36 PM   

Thanks for holding health care reform hostage to your pet project, jackass. If that doesn't work, maybe you could threaten to blow up a homeless shelter or something.

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December 3, 2009 1:42 PM   

I wish someone would introduce a proportional spending amendment to the US Constitution. No state can take in more in return from the federal government than they sent unless it involves the funding of a federal project like highways, damns, etc. I am tired of red state D's and R's hiking the political process even as their respective states live off the public tit.

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December 3, 2009 1:45 PM   

Well there goes Nelson's vote. Now we need Snowe on board.

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December 3, 2009 1:48 PM   

This is why we need Snowe and Collins on this. Both are pro-choice. We could use the extra vote as leverage for other things outside of the public option that we want.

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December 3, 2009 2:28 PM    in reply to calchala

You saved me some typing about Collins, but as much as I support a public option, I disagree with your read on the situation.

I don't think it's possible to get the votes for a public option that's worth fighting for because both Collins, Lincoln, and Lieberman are against it and you need at least one of their votes.

Given that Lieberman is now in favor of stripping the heath insurance companies' anti-trust option (which Nelson also opposes), I think the best route is to strengthen and expand the health exchange while eliminating the anti-trust exemption.

That's far from perfect, but it's potentially a big step forward, particularly if the timetable for implementation is moved up.

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December 3, 2009 3:01 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

I'm inclined to agree with you. The public option has been so compromised at this point that I don't think it's worth trying to keep. The chief reasons for it were to provide a lower-cost option to private insurance for people who didn't have access to group policies, and to drive the general market price of insurance down, and I don't see that as currently structured it is going to do much to accomplish either of those any better than the exchanges will.

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December 3, 2009 1:50 PM   

I don't believe Ben Nelson is the best democrat Nebraska has to offer, but he's easily the ugliest.

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December 3, 2009 1:52 PM    in reply to Texar

I would like to see Scott Kleeb run once again in a primary challenge against Nelson.

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December 3, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to robertecrump

Anybody. Please. Being "big tent" doesn't mean we have to embrace evil. There are some stands which are simply beyond the pale. This guy's philosophy is on par with Charlie Manson's. It's about killing women for sport.

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December 3, 2009 2:28 PM    in reply to wyt

We need to draft a strong Democrat like former Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey into a primary challenge for Nelson. The man is the definition of "freerider" - he wants all the benefits of being in the majority party, but wants nothing to do with helping his party pass its most important piece of legislation since Medicare. I wish he had switched to the GOP like he was rumored to do earlier this decade - we'd have 59 senators but at least we wouldn't have to constantly placate this asshole and could give him the attention he deserves, which is none.

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December 3, 2009 3:40 PM    in reply to wyt

The post to which I am replying is without a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site. Killing woman for sport? That is so fucking asinine, I can't believe someone hit enter to post the comment before realizing how ridiculous it sounded. The post has everything but a comparison of Nelson to Hitler. That nobody else called him on it is a fucking disgrace.

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December 3, 2009 2:17 PM    in reply to Texar

That's why he should be a republican. Now those are some ugly people, and he fits right in

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December 3, 2009 3:02 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Especially the hair.

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December 3, 2009 2:14 PM   

Doesn't the House need the Stupak Amendment to pass the coference report?

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December 3, 2009 2:20 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

No. The House will likely pass health car w/o Stupak.

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December 3, 2009 2:48 PM    in reply to El Puerco

Agreed. If it comes out of conference without it, and with something like the earlier "compormise" in the House that didn't get voted on, it will pass. There aren't that many Yes --> No votes in the House that would completely walk away. Most of Stupk's "base" of votes are Blue Dogs who already were going to vote No anyway.

This is why it's critical to keep it out of the Senate Bill: it allows Conference to negotiate between conflicting parts of the bill. If the Senate has the exact same language as Stupak, then it Stays In The Bill.

Stupak knowns this, as does Ben-Ben. Leadership made it pretty clear to Progressives that Conference would pull it out since the Senate wouldn't pass the Stupak amendment. And that's why Ben-Ben is playing this game. Leadership knows that this being in the Senate Bill going to Conference means that it comes out of Conference in place, and the entire healthcare bill will die post conference.

It's a poison pill for some, which is why the GOP is cheering it on. For Nelson, it's less a poison pill that a tool for him to extract a Lot of things.

And since Leadership has done such a good job of handling Ben-Ben in the past, he knows he can play this game and "win".

It's really time for Harry and Leadership to ratchet up the Reconcilliation Talk. That will give Nelson and also Snowe & Collins a last chance to cut their "best deal" before losing leverage. And give us leverage against them.

It remains mind boggling how poorly this has been played by leadership and the White House. If the end run for Global Warming is done like this, they really shouldn't bother. We'll end up with a bill that allows things to get worse and probably will prevent the EPA to take independant action to slow things down.

John

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December 3, 2009 3:11 PM    in reply to tosh

I hope you are right. Stupak doesn't seem to agree.

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December 7, 2009 8:45 PM    in reply to El Puerco

No, it won't. 85% of the Democrats Who voted for the Stupak amendment have strong pro-choice/pro-abortion credentials. More Democrats in the House said They would vote against the final bill without the Stupak wording than said They would vote against the bill with it. Plus, the President insisted on the Stupak wording. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/sebelius-president-rules-out-public-funding-for-abortion.html) The Democrats need the Stupak amendment. They need it in both the House and the Senate.

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December 3, 2009 2:17 PM   

I say, go for it, if Senator Reid makes him actually filibuster. Let him read from the phone book, the bible, the periodic chart of elements, whatever, as long as he can stand it, and let the American people see it. Anyway at his age the old son of a bitch would not last for 2 days before his prostate exploded. Senator Reid, if ever there was a time when an actual filibuster was required instead of "cloture" this is it. We are counting on you.

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December 3, 2009 2:24 PM    in reply to runfastandwin

I couldn't agree more. Any Dem threatening a filibusters should have their bluff called.

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December 3, 2009 5:42 PM    in reply to runfastandwin

Only problem with that is that no one actually has to do the filibuster. They just say "We are filibustering," and everyone goes home.

Fucking cowards.

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December 3, 2009 2:24 PM   

The Stupak Amendment is just a poison pill designed to undermine health care reform. But it's refreshing to know that a Senator from Nebraska (population 1.8 M) can screw the entire country (population 305.5 M) without taking his clothes off.

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December 3, 2009 3:47 PM    in reply to erwin

It is amazing how the dolts on this echochamber keep mentioning the public, as if they want this shit sandwich of a bill. I challenge any of the morons here to show me one fucking poll in the past month that doesn't show more Americans opposing this bill than supporting it. Since 3/4 of the posters here seem to have an IQ that would require them to wear a helmet to the dinner table, I will provide a link myself.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php


Talking about the "public" as if a majority of them want this bill is a pile of bullshit.

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December 3, 2009 2:32 PM   

How much more is it going to take before Reid comes to the realization that NOTHING will be enough for the ConservaDems? No matter what you give them, they will want more. Now not only does Nelson want the Public Option out, he wants to hijack health care reform to effectively ban abortions for anyone that can't pay for it out of pocket.

Last I checked we did not elect President Ben fucking Nelson last November nor President Blanche god damn Lincoln either.

Reconciliation.

Better yet - put these assholes in their place - take out *EVERY* concession you've made to these people, remove or replace everything that was changed in an attempt to get these Republicrats to vote for HCR.

THEN reconciliation.

It'll serve as a nice reminder of their real power that Reid can point to when they try to pull this same crap once we get to the Jobs bill and Climate Change bill.

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December 3, 2009 2:49 PM    in reply to SabreNation

Exactly. Their tactics are meant to derail reform entirely rather than negotiate a bill that many will find more accommodating in their home states.

Mutual of Omaha's interest are being looked after and not the fine folks of Nebraska.

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December 3, 2009 2:32 PM   

I wish some woman Senator would introduce an amendment barring insurance companies from paying for Viagra, Cialis, and any other drugs in that same class, and then threaten to filibuster the whole dang thing unless the amendment stays.

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December 3, 2009 3:35 PM    in reply to CT Voter

While I agree with your sentiment, comparing schlong-enhancing drugs to women's reproductive health decisions tends to degrade the latter. Maybe they could introduce an amendment that eliminates payments for marginal treatments for prostate cancer like irradiation that tends to increase bladder and rectal cancer as well as impotence. That should get ol' Ben's attention right quick.

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December 3, 2009 3:50 PM    in reply to Schmed

Yes that would be the perfect option. Let's limit cancer treatments because a woman has to pay for an elective procedure with, horror of horrors, her own fucking money.

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December 3, 2009 4:03 PM    in reply to masanf

Marginal elective cancer treatments which have limited effectiveness and for which there are more effective alternatives. So nice of you to characterize life and death decisions as "elective." Even nicer of you to decide who gets to decide what's in whose best interests.

Socialist tool.

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December 3, 2009 3:01 PM   

Someone, anyone, Primary this asshole.

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December 3, 2009 3:24 PM   

The goal is clear:

The GOP and Blue Dogs want a health care bill with mandates and tax incentives for the poor. They want everyone to buy in without any preconditions for the insurance industry.

This is failing on many levels. I can't just blame Obama. The entire federal government is at fault. The entire nation is at fault.

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December 3, 2009 3:37 PM    in reply to Zipperupus

I can't just blame Obama.

I can. His leadership on this whole issue has been totally underwhelming. I'm beginning to think that he's no better than he has to be.

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December 3, 2009 4:01 PM   

Apparently, mere democracy isn't enough for Ben. It has to be his way, and he'll filibuster his own party's leadership (who have bent over backwards for him time and again). I guess Ben is bending over backwards, too -- showing us

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December 3, 2009 4:44 PM   

To the Blame Obama crowd:

Can we stop hearing the Obama turncoats claiming that the clouds should have already parted, that by now a perfect healthcare bill should have passed and both wars should've ended, and we should have a rainbow in every pot for X-mass but won't because the stimulus package was too small?

Can the uber-whiners of late stop complaining that Obama should fix everything and make it all better in his short 11 months? We DON'T have a fillibuster-proof 60 majority in the senate. At best we have 58, because Nelson and Lieberman are acting Republicans who are allowed to caucus with the Democrats (could probably throw a couple more in there). Most of the government DID NOT change in the last election. Most players who got us into all the messes we find ourselves in are still there - you can't just blame the Bush Administration (though they sure did more than their share to f@#% things up). Obama is one person. One. He has control over one branch out of three in our government. To actually effect lasting change in our system, to make it more progressive or liberal, one has to change the other branches of government too. Liberals need to stop thinking only about the presidential elections, and start fighting the long fight - change congress.

I'm simply dumbfounded by the eat-your-own mentality of the left. Obama isn't perfect, so they'll just fold up shop and not support him or the Democrats anymore: that'll show 'em! (Not.) Rather than attack Obama, fight for the next step in making change happen. If the R's gain ground in '10, Obama will have to move more to the right to get anything done. If we hold ground, or gain ground by making the congress more progressive, Obama will be empowered/enabled to have a more progressive agenda. Do we shift ower to the far right by letting them win, or do we make incremental gains which aren't perfect, but set the stage for better things down the road?

Oh yes, we all agree that would be dandy. Except that instead of attacking the Republicans who're catering to a extremist minority, I'm hearing lots of 'progressives' attacking the guy they just worked so hard to elect. Brilliant strategy. Brilliant.

Don't blame Obama if things don't go well a year from now... liberals already appear to be quitters less than a year into Obama''s first term. Maybe there's a kernel of truth when Republicans talk about brie-eating liberals; they want everything handed to them on a platter.

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December 3, 2009 10:47 PM    in reply to DaddyD

DaddyD:

Thank You.

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December 4, 2009 11:13 AM    in reply to DaddyD

liberals already appear to be quitters less than a year into Obama''s first term.

Yes. It's amazing that people are seriously talking about a primary opponent for Obama. Astounding.

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December 3, 2009 10:41 PM   

Why would an allegedly Democratic Senator threaten to filibuster a health bill over an issue that is already legal? If he wants to outlaw abortion, they try it directly. Otherwise, if it's legal, then as a legal medical procedure, it should be covered. I expect this behavior from Republican fundamentalists, not a member of my party.

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December 7, 2009 8:49 PM    in reply to acf_ma

80-85% of Americans oppose the use of Taxpayer money for abortions. It's why the Hyde amendment has been renewed year after year for the last 30-35 years. The thinking goes like this: "A Woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. She does not have a constitutional right to the People's money to pay for it."

Even President Obama has insisted on the Stupak wording (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/sebelius-president-rules-out-public-funding-for-abortion.html). I wouldn't claim President Obama is acting like "Republican fundamentalists".

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