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The North Dakota Republican Party has a humorous new image on its front page today: A "Joke of the day" that just so happens to involve President Obama's birth certificate.
The picture shows the photo of President Obama shaking hands with state dinner party-crasher Michaele Salahi. Obama is given a speech balloon in which he asks to see Salahi's invitation. She answers: "If I can see your birth certificate!"
I asked Adam Jones, political director for the North Dakota GOP, whether it was appropriate to have a joke involving the president allegedly not being born in this country. "You said the keyword, Eric," he replied. "It's a joke."
I asked again whether he thinks this is a proper thing to put on a state party's homepage. "I think it is a joke, and that would be my only comment for you," he said.
(Via Dave Weigel and Ben Smith)
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Xantar
December 14, 2009 3:47 PM
Can I see proof that Adam Jones has never sodomized a cow?
...what? It's just a joke!
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 3:49 PM in reply to Xantar
I'd like to see proof that he doesn't have sex with goats!
That he's stopped beating his wife!
That he finally discontinued his Al Qaeda membership!
What a laugh riot!
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tmccarthy0
December 15, 2009 12:09 AM in reply to CT Voter
He is from North Dakota of course he has relations with goats!
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ohyeathatsright
December 14, 2009 4:58 PM in reply to Xantar
'Some people say' that Adam Jones has a polyamorous relationship with cows. Just sayin'.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to Xantar
I would like to see the long form birth certificate please.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 5:44 PM in reply to munster
You mean the one Hawaii hasn't used for decades?
Sorry, but you're going to have to change state laws AND go back in time on your right wing tardis(AKA the Fox News fact check room)to see that kiddo...
Oh, that's right: when it coems to right wing righteousness, things like state laws don't matter a damn - it's only when your areas of zealotry are discussed when state laws become sacrosanct, right?
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Heiligebimbam
December 14, 2009 6:48 PM in reply to munster
You want the president of the US to show you his birth certificate because you say so? And who are you? I live in the UK and have seen the CORRECT Hawaaian birth certificate of your President on line.I have also researched about all the nonsensical objections from your GOP,( to the point of manufacturing a forged Kenyan birth certificate with the President's name) and they have absolute no validity. You have LAWS in your country, OK? Follow the laws to address your concerns. The president does not have to show you his birth certificate, you have to follow the the legal procedure if you have questions.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:54 PM in reply to Heiligebimbam
Legality means nothing to the righ wing.
The only thing that matters tothem is their righteousness. If it suits, they will actually say that the consitution means that right wing arguments are the only ones with merit, and people like this 'munster' character will go along and cheer for such an argument.
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jenesq
December 15, 2009 10:07 AM in reply to Heiligebimbam
I think Orly Taitz has already tried the legal angle and gotten slapped down by the federal court system...a Republican-appointed judge even sanctioned her. In other words, the whole birther thing is utter garbage (duh).
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jenesq
December 15, 2009 10:06 AM in reply to munster
Why don't you request a copy of your OWN birth certificate and see what it actually looks like? I have birth certificates from three different states (me, my husband, our kids) and guess what? They're all different and called different things (I don't think any of them are called a "Birth Certificate" but instead have names like "Certificate of Live Birth" etc.), yet they are all fairly similar to Obama's Hawaii certificate and were more than sufficient for every government-related purpose that requires a birth certificate.
The "long form" bullshit is just that--bullshit perpetuated by tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs who have no leg to stand on and therefore make crap up.
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amber
December 14, 2009 10:41 PM in reply to Xantar
Yeah, I'm sure every minority in the country is watching the antics of Birthers and Republicans like this. It will be a big wake-up call when the party of white males stays that way for at least another generation.
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 3:50 PM
Eric? Could you check back with him and see whether he thinks our alien Muslim president deliberately pre-empted the Charlie Brown Christmas Special?
I'd like him to be on record on this.
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matt in so dak
December 14, 2009 3:57 PM
Laugh all you want. You aren't stuck living here in the Dakotas.
I live in Western South Dakota. 70%+ Republitard, with probably 100% who are birthers - openly. I have to listen to the crap constantly.
God. Guns. Gays. Anyone remember McGovern? Used to be that this part of the country couldn't vote Democrat enough. Now the local Baptists, Catholics and Mormons use gays and abortion to pummel everyone into believing that there are two choices: vote Republican or burn in Hell.
Anyone but Obama 2012
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rynato
December 14, 2009 4:06 PM in reply to matt in so dak
It's also cold as a witch's tit all but six weeks of the year, isn't it?
Usually, I would say you are doing a good thing by representing the other side where it's needed most.
However, I think you should get the hell out of there and move to a more progressive state, like Missouri or Louisiana. I'd be willing to kick in...
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Overreach THIS!
December 14, 2009 4:19 PM in reply to matt in so dak
I feel for you, brother. I ain't nowhere near no kinda South Dakota and it totally frosts me just to read these kinds of hideous, bigoted "jokes." I'd be out of my mind there from what you say; might even go Postal.
You must be some kind of Zen master dealing with it--seriously. I do not envy you. Greek proverb be damned, in the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is not King, as H.G. Wells observed in 1904.
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Kuyleh
December 14, 2009 4:32 PM in reply to matt in so dak
I feel you...I'm down in Arkansas. Faux News is The Only Truth, Obama is an Evil Black Muslim, the whole 9 yards. Daily.
So I'm sending you some sympathy and hopefully a boost to your patience.
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pl3bian
December 14, 2009 4:45 PM in reply to Kuyleh
Its no better in Oklahoma.
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Signalman
December 15, 2009 11:35 AM in reply to pl3bian
Or in Georgia.
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Tintin
December 14, 2009 5:05 PM in reply to matt in so dak
What happened to those McGovern supporters? Did they die off?
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bushwhacked
December 15, 2009 3:35 PM in reply to matt in so dak
Hey, I'm your neighbor in Montana. I have a brother in-law who lived in Sidney, MT. It really close to the ND border. He got in a big drug out argument with a bunch of Nodaks. One night they figured it was time to do in the Montana guy. The got a five sticks of dynamite and threw it right at Ken (my brother in-law.) Now Ken is a real easy going guy, but it kind of perturbed him. Ken simply lit the fuses and threw them back at them.
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Noam Sane
December 14, 2009 4:08 PM
The GOP is a joke. The universe if folding back onto itself.
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Corambis
December 14, 2009 4:22 PM
Adam Jones's wife also thought that joke was hilarious. She laughed the whole time at it while I was nailing her.
C'mon Adam, it's just a joke.
Don't make me take your mother out for a lovely seafood dinner.
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pl3bian
December 14, 2009 4:23 PM
Make a cartoon with the truther message rather than the birther message and see if Mr. Jones finds it funny.
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acf_ma
December 14, 2009 4:23 PM
For Jones to continue repeating that the statement about the birth certificate is just a "joke, that's all I have to say", just confirms to me what a foul organization the Republican party is.
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ohyeathatsright
December 14, 2009 4:26 PM
I love how the screenshot above shows Pelosi's forehead and the top half of a deer-in-the-headlights look.
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Overreach THIS!
December 14, 2009 4:39 PM
They come up with the phony equivalent of George Bush and the Kangaroo Court led by the eternally-disgraced, infamous Justice Scalia in Bush v. Gore, and chirp that there is a modern trend toward alleging illegitimacy "on both sides". Scalia will always be remembered as the Justice who led the charge in making a canard out of rule of law in the United States with smiling Rehnquist over his shoulder; that is the Scalia legacy and always will be.
In plain truth, there is nothing in common whatsoever with Obama.
The votes were all counted in 2008. No party goons shut down counts, not ratified by the Banana Republic actions of the same party members on any court -- Obama just won. It wasn't challenged and it wasn't disrupted. Won by a huge margin.
Adam Jones, you are "joking" that he's illegitimate because he's black. Your actions and the "humor" of your scummy cohorts bring shame upon you, your party, and your State.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:26 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I would like to see the long form birth certificate please. It would seen to be simple request.
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Matt Jones
December 14, 2009 5:31 PM in reply to munster
Post yours first - your clear lack of English grammar skills make "reasonable people" suspect things...
Of course, I'm not sure if there *is* a Department of Vital Records in Troll-land, but it's worth a shot.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:52 PM in reply to Matt Jones
Thanks for the spell check, but do you really need to insult people? How about a valid argument instead? I'm not the president and should not have to show my birth certificate to you. I will if I run for president or get a passport or a license in a new state. I'm just a citizen politely asking questions and your try to silence me by making fun of improper grammer.
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Overreach THIS!
December 14, 2009 6:01 PM in reply to munster
You are bigot having the unbelievable temerity to challenge the native-born elected President of the United States to produce his birth certificate even though he already has. The *black* President. Nobody else has been asked to do this; he did it and you're not satisfied because you're a bigot.
Keep your cool! That's not an insult. That's who you are. A fucking bigot. Well all know it. We've got it. Be proud of it. Wear it like a badge. Just don't expect don't expect us to be impressed, because we most certainly are not. *Many other sites* will welcome bigots like you -- totally!
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 6:02 PM in reply to munster
Get a passport?
You mean like the passport Obama undoubtedly has? That he probably got long before he was, you know, elected Senator, or state Senator?
Oops.
Unless you're claiming that somehow, that birth certificate wasn't really legitimate, which means his passport must be fake...which means without a doubt that he's from Angola.
I think.
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Dave Adams
December 14, 2009 10:11 PM in reply to munster
Is there some law somewhere that requires a person to keep their own original birth certificate? What makes you so sure that Obama has such a document? What if he doesn't? The man's mother did move around a bit during his childhood do you suppose that its possible that she may have lost a few things along the way? forty-something-year-old piece of paper given to his mother when he was born?
So Munster, seriously, does the fact that a person does not have the original of their birth certificate (which is B.S. anyway, all you get is a certified copy) make that person ineligable to be President of the United States?
Here's another sewrious question for you Munster: Obama's mother was a US citizen. Why does he need to even prove where he was born?
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Signalman
December 15, 2009 11:43 AM in reply to munster
You want a valid argument? How about *you* present one, instead of bleating about the "long-form" birth certificate?
If you want to be treated seriously, then start out by behaving seriously yourself.
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gparks
December 14, 2009 7:34 PM in reply to munster
You got one thing "right"! You are simple ... as is your request ... that of a simpleton!
“Willful ignorance” just cannot be THAT blissful!
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jenesq
December 15, 2009 10:09 AM in reply to munster
Why don't you request a copy of your OWN birth certificate and see what it actually looks like? I have birth certificates from three different states (me, my husband, our kids) and guess what? They're all different and called different things (I don't think any of them are called a "Birth Certificate" but instead have names like "Certificate of Live Birth" etc.), yet they are all fairly similar to Obama's Hawaii certificate and were more than sufficient for every government-related purpose that requires a birth certificate.
The "long form" bullshit is just that--bullshit perpetuated by tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs who have no leg to stand on and therefore make crap up.
(I'll keep repeating this as long as you keep spamming your inane comment)
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Powkat
December 14, 2009 4:48 PM
Logical fallacy.
They just can't imagine that a black man is president, so he must be illegitimate in some way.
Since he is illegitimate, he needn't be treated with respect.
Since he doesn't deserve respect, we can make fun of him.
Since we can make fun of him, we can put this joke on the official website.
Totally clueless as to how inappropriate it is.
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ohyeathatsright
December 14, 2009 4:59 PM in reply to Powkat
They're not clueless. They know what they're doing.
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pakaal
December 14, 2009 5:05 PM
I agree with Mr. Jones completely. The Birthers are a joke.
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Tony C
December 14, 2009 5:13 PM
Political jokes are fine, just not on Party websites, idiots.
Maybe they could post the infamous Hustler satire of Falwell losing his virginity to his mother.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Falwellhustler.jpg
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 5:13 PM
They took it down. Now it's an announcement about a rally against the Democrats healthcare experiment. At 6:30 PM tonight.
Dress warmly, folks.
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MollyNYC
December 14, 2009 5:16 PM
This is ten-year-old data on North Dakota, but I imagine next year's data will look similar: it shows how many people of each age (by year) live there.
You see the dip in numbers in the early 20s? Those are all the North Dakotans with any brains or gumption leaving for some place with a future as soon as they got enough money to make the move.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:16 PM
Cool aid anyone? Did anyone posting here actually see the long form birth certificate? I think a president who can't be honest and open about his past is not trustworthy to handle the football. I'm ok with being wrong, I just want you to prove that I am before I just sit down and be quite. Instead I just see insults and racist accusation.
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Stroszek
December 14, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to munster
Coco puffs anyone?
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:43 PM in reply to Stroszek
I'm cuckoo for coco puffs. Trying to make me hungry won't change the issue. I never seen the long form birth certificate and Obama is being either stuborn or evasive. Neither qualify as presidential and he should just show it.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 5:49 PM in reply to munster
Bigot Munster, you seem utterly clueless and ill informed. Quite likely, you ither knowe the birther nonsense is horse shit, or you're intentionally keeping yourself in the dark in the vain hope that ignorance will keep your fantasy alive.
Have you even bothered to see what the Republican governor of Hawaii has had to say about your bizarre and bigoted conspiracy theory?
You lot are driven by bigotry and urged on by a right wing celebration of ignorance - nothing else.
If you had any loyalty to the facts and reality, you'd have dropped this months ago.
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Stroszek
December 14, 2009 5:50 PM in reply to munster
Stubborn like a guy ignoring a raving hobo on the subway.
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Powkat
December 14, 2009 6:35 PM in reply to Stroszek
Please don't feed the troll. Maybe he'll be 'quite.'
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mikedrevguy
December 15, 2009 10:41 AM in reply to munster
Questioning authority? Asking questions is good -but are you willing to hear the answers given? or are you not 'satisfied' until you've heard only the answers you've been programmed to receive as acceptable?
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 5:28 PM in reply to munster
Totally. And after you, personally, see the long form, you should demand to then see the Longer Form. After that, insist on personally seeing the Even Longer Form.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:38 PM in reply to CT Voter
CT Voter, I like you sense of humor, but this is not a joke issue. Show me how your right and I am wrong. You can mock me but that is not an valid argument.
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Stroszek
December 14, 2009 5:41 PM in reply to munster
"He's a Kenyan because I done imagined it" isn't a valid argument either.
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CT Voter
December 14, 2009 5:54 PM in reply to munster
Of course it's a joke issue.
He's provided a copy of his birth certificate(and just spare me the "I haven't seen it argument--the WH could arrange for every damn person who was interested in seeing it to see it, it would disintegrate, and then you'd be screaming THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!) It was certified by the state. There were announcements of his birth in local newspapers. His mother was a US citizen. He was born in the U.S. The only reason there's any "doubt" about this is because he's got dark skin and an unusual name.
You wouldn't give a flying crap about this issue if Barack Hussein Obama looked like a young Robert Redford and was named George McNeil.
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jenesq
December 15, 2009 10:13 AM in reply to munster
See, here's the thing. There is no "long form birth certificate" in Hawaii. They are a paperless-records state now and have been for a while. Anyone born in Hawaii would have the same birth certificate Obama has, no more, no less. He can't produce what does not exist for ANYONE born in Hawaii. The state of Hawaii has confirmed repeatedly that he was born there, but crazy people do not care about facts, and birtherism is a rumor created and spread by crazy people who don't care about facts.
And I will say yet again:
Why don't you request a copy of your OWN birth certificate and see what it actually looks like? I have birth certificates from three different states (me, my husband, our kids) and guess what? They're all different and called different things (I don't think any of them are called a "Birth Certificate" but instead have names like "Certificate of Live Birth" etc.), yet they are all fairly similar to Obama's Hawaii certificate and were more than sufficient for every government-related purpose that requires a birth certificate.
The "long form" bullshit is just that--bullshit perpetuated by tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs who have no leg to stand on and therefore make crap up.
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MollyNYC
December 14, 2009 6:10 PM in reply to munster
Munster, unless you spent the previous eight years shitting your pants over whether Bush had a valid birth certificate, piss off.
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Signalman
December 15, 2009 11:50 AM in reply to munster
If you're okay with being wrong, then you should recognize that the burden of proof is on *you* to prove that you're right.
There is no imperative to disprove wild accusations. Otherwise, you must now prove to me that Dick Cheney *isn't* a soulless beast from the coldest, darkest plains of Hell.
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Eric Spiegelman
December 14, 2009 5:22 PM
Hey Josh,
Lighten up a little bit. Two reasons:
1) Funny political jokes are often inappropriate. And there's nothing racial here.
2) It's entirely reasonable to assume that the party crashers are actually the butt of the joke. Could you respect someone who crashes a White House party in order to get on a realty show? These are not GOP heroes. They're exactly as crazy as the Birthers.
As for jokes not being appropriate for official party publications, well, that's just silly. Why should politicians be the only people who can't employ satire for the purpose of political commentary?
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 5:51 PM in reply to Eric Spiegelman
The entire birther thing is inherently racist.
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ixzist
December 14, 2009 5:32 PM
If Obama floats, he must be a witch.
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munster
December 14, 2009 5:33 PM
Birther are crazy? You all seem to reading to same liberal talking points, but your not asking for the long form birth certificate. Call me names if you want, but I would like some insight on how you can justify calling Birthers crazy for questioning authority?
Please show me the long form birth certificate and I'll appologise for daring to question the great ones integrity.
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dswx
December 14, 2009 5:47 PM in reply to munster
No, because you are ignorant (yes, that is an accurate statement, not name-calling) about the law. His mother was American. Regardless of where he was born, that means he is American. BTW, Hawaii is part of America since so many ignorant Repubs don't know that.
The birth certificate is readily available, on line, and certified by the State of Hawaii. It was shown on TV. But you are too lazy to find it because that would upset your racist view. And yes, it is racist because you are a cowardly racist, hiding behind the birth certificate mantra. Which is a red herring.
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munster
December 14, 2009 6:06 PM in reply to dswx
I did see the sort form. It doesn't prove where he was born. I don't care if he was born on the moon. A president needs integrity not secrets.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:23 PM in reply to munster
What secrets does Obama have?
Do you have any proof that he has secrets that would harm America?
Or are you just a crazy conspiracy theorist?
I WONDER!!!
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munster
December 14, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to cinesimon
I don't know. If you'd like my guess it probally something small but embarrasing. It just doesn't make sense to hide something that doen't need hide, because it make him look guity of something, even if there is nothing to be guilty of.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:45 PM in reply to munster
REALLY?
That is why you're spending so much time on this?
CLASSIC!!!
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WaitWut?
December 14, 2009 6:50 PM in reply to munster
I don't think it is our President's job to "satisfy" you. Did your rubber Orly doll get a (bigger) hole?
There are only so many facts one can repeat before the only thing left to do is ridicule. You have reached that point, my friend. Your conspiracy theories would best be saved for Palin's FB page where lots of people will tell you how much they love you and are praying for you. Don't forget to BUY GOLD!
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Signalman
December 15, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to munster
A President shouldn't have secrets, huh?
Where were you when the Bush Administration was fighting off all the FOIA requests about warrantless wiretapping, secret energy policy meetings with oil company executives and "lost" e-mail messages that just happened to turn up recently.
Get stuffed, hypocritical concern troll.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:05 PM in reply to munster
It's not that you're 'daring to ask questions of authority'.
Many of us do that numerous times a day, and always have. The difference is, our questions have to do with reality, and points of relevance to our current situation, discussing our values, and our future. You, however, choose to ignore reality, and with America's population of right wing bigots for backup, you troll and advocate for something that's in your head only.
The fact is, you have deliberately decided that all the proof that goes against your cnspiracy is false, and all the nonsense that you consider proof that goes FOR your conspiracy theory, is bound to be true - despite the fact that all the proof birthers have ever provided has been easily proved farudulent.
You're clinging to straws, and really hopng that Obama is an illegal alien - and many on the right find it easier to believe, because of Obama's skin color. That is your base of support, and indeed the entire basis of your reason for continuing your bizarre little mission.
The burden of proof is on you. In reality land, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to be able to debate within the context of reality - and so far, all your arguments have been based on utter nonsense.
Your argument about long form certificates is simply a red herring, discounted as a reasonable point of contention by the Republican governor of Hawaii for one, but the entire world od administrators knows that LF certs are a thing of the past, and are entirely irrelevant to this debate.
Face it: the law is against you, the people are laughing at you, and reality seems to be your enemy by your own declarations.
Yes, you are crazy.
Birthers, and deathers within the Health Care debate(same people, same logic), ARE crazy.
And that is being very generous.
Take your compliment with some humility and kindly grow up, kiddo.
Or, go fester and get yourself more angry and bigoted. We all know where that will get you.
Unfortunately for you, it seems you don't have a clue.
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munster
December 14, 2009 6:28 PM in reply to cinesimon
Wow, you're really upset by the question. Sorry, I didn't mean to get you so filled with hate and anger. In politics I think you should not tie your self worth to the presidents popularity, It can hurt. Sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:40 PM in reply to munster
CLASSIC!
Pure projection.
Once again: grow up, kiddo.
I'm not angry, nor hateful. It's quite obvious that you are - and your use of over the top passive/aggrissive cliches like the above suggests you are well aware as to how dishonest and lacking in integrity you are.
My integrity is attached to me, kiddo - not Obama. It;s leaps of non-logiv like that which convince us that your attachment to reality is minute at best.
Is it just that I can type, therefore write long paragraphs that makes you think I'm angry? Someone who can think and type intimidate you, huh?
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munster
December 14, 2009 6:54 PM in reply to cinesimon
O.k. I'm a kid with no integrity, fine. Obama's integrity doesn't look good when he hides things that don't need hide.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:03 PM in reply to munster
Oh - you mean his witholding of secrets that you don't even know exist, but are sure that if they do, then they would embarass him?
The secrets you've made up out of thin air to satisfy your own little conspiracy fantasy?
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fiddler
December 14, 2009 10:54 PM in reply to munster
Here's the answer: "O.k. I'm a kid with no integrity, fine."
He's (she's?) a kid! We have a 13-year-old on here using his parents' ID.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:50 PM in reply to munster
So when offered some valid debate points, you ignore those and pretend I have gone on an emotional rant.
I can only assume that you didn't even bother reading what I wrote.
Standard right wing zealot: all you need to know is that the person is opposing your view.
The actual points are of little consequence to you, as you have no interest in reality, or opposing opinions - all that matters is your point, and the fact that only your point can be real.
Even if you don't even know what your point is.
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munster
December 14, 2009 7:03 PM in reply to cinesimon
Well you are doing a lot of name calling here, so I thought it was meant in anger. I'm not questioning whether he is legal as prez. I'm questioning why he won't show it or his college thesis.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:04 PM in reply to munster
In other words: you still haven't bothered to read the passage you replied to initially.
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munster
December 14, 2009 7:34 PM in reply to cinesimon
I think you didn't read your post. You've been nothing but insulting trying to justify why this president, unlike others, hasn't shown his long form birth certificate. The suspicious behaviour is compounded by his missing college transcripts and thesis. You shouldn't be so nasty and the president should be able to find his long form birth certificate.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:46 PM in reply to munster
Oh, dear.
How sad for you, that because I've chosen to point out where your logic fails and how utterly ridiculous your argument is, that you feel I'm insulting yiou.
That really does show just how easily your self esteem is affected. It also shows you must know how weak your arghument is, given you take it so personally.
Once again: the burden of proof is on you. All 'birther' proof has been quickly and easily discredited as fraudulent, and everyone from the republican governor of Hawaii, the director of the hospital Obama was born in have confimed his BC is legit, and he was born there. There is no proof that anything other than that happened.
It is you who is insulting yourself. We merely point out how ridiculous and fact free your conspiracy 'theory' is.
PS: can you show records of ANY president who has produced their LF cert as you claim?
AS for the idea itself, let me try to get through to you again: so because I've lost my old LF cert, and because my, and numerous other states have gone to electronic records and NO LONGER PRODUCE long form certificates as copies to give away, that means that I am no longer a citizen of America?
Also you said earlier you're not contesting his allegability to be president. I must assume that you would agree he'd not be allegable for pres if found not to be a citizen?
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:55 PM in reply to munster
As for your 'nasty' comment: you can try to sund civilized as much as you like, but this particular argument has it's roots firmly planted in tracism. That is a fact. Most birthers are proud bigots.
So you pretend to be as non-nasty as you like - even the KKK know how to smile.
WE see right through you, kiddo.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:08 PM in reply to munster
So you're questioning his allegability to be a ctizen of the United States, but not president?
You do remember that you're a birther, don't you?
And now you change the subject to a college thesis.
How typically right wing conspiracy theorist of you: argument not going your way? well then: change the goal posts, and introduce something not discussed here.
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mikedrevguy
December 15, 2009 10:46 AM in reply to munster
no anger sensed in that response - just well reasoned, articulated, position. are you willing to entertain that there is any validity in what was presented?
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Corambis
December 14, 2009 5:44 PM
OK everyone, Munster has figured us out. We can't just read the Liberal Talking Points here at Talking Points Memo, so let's meet over at HuffPost and get some new Talking Points there. Please hurry because I need my Talking Points right away. I won't know how to defend my insane belief in Obama without them. It's become so hard, otherwise, to resist the siren call of Steele, Limbaugh and Palin, who offer me logic and facts and elegant rhetoric.
I needs my Talking Points (Liberal)!
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ondioline
December 14, 2009 5:55 PM in reply to Corambis
Is this the "fake me out" where we pretend to go to HuffPo for Talking Points but actually stay here? Or do we just do that on Tuesdays and Thursdays? I know it was written on the long form birth certificate, but the long form birth certificate secrecy tree doesn't have me receiving it until next March and I don't know the rules. I know it's risky asking you this directly on the internet, so don't answer here. Just blink once for 'yes' and twice for 'no', mmmkay?
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Corambis
December 14, 2009 6:01 PM in reply to ondioline
As my handle indicates, I'll chew my cabbage once for yes and twice for no.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:08 PM in reply to ondioline
Or simply fart three times to laugh at Munsterbigot...
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El Gordo
December 14, 2009 6:26 PM
No Birther I. But I don't understand the old adage about taking the 5th: If you're not guilty, why would you not take the stand in your own defense? To not produce something the rest of us have to produce a number of times throughout our lives just smacks of hiding something. If something smells, well, usually there is something rotten going on.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 6:44 PM in reply to El Gordo
Who's pleading the 5th?
And do you actually believe that Obama has not provided his birth certificate? If so, then yes, you are a birther.
Obama HAS provided his BC. The fact it's not a long form is because he doesn't have it. No crime in that Many of us have lost ours - and if the state in which we live changes their practice to short form only and all records being electronic, then how is that Obama's issue?
Long Form certs no longer exist in Hawaii. Haven't for decades.
Obama's not hiding a thing.
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munster
December 14, 2009 7:19 PM in reply to cinesimon
I think your putting words in Obama mouth. Has he said that it is lost? I missed that press conference. Maybe the dog ate it or maybe he never got one.
Either way he aught to be more agreessive in providing documents to quell "Crazy" birthers questions. The main stratagy to satisfy the birthers seems to be journalist insulting and belittling anyone who asks questions. When the press and gov unite against the people, and a president hides things that don't need hide, something is up.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:28 PM in reply to munster
You're putting words in MY mouth - mind you, you've made it perfectly clear numerous times now that you not so hot at reading copmprehension. I recommend night classes - thjoguh that might be a little elitist for you...
Where did I say that Obama lost his? I'm simply saying many do. I have, he may have. Doies the fact that I lost mine and cannot get the old style one because my state doesn't do them anymore mean that I';m not a citizen? You know where that policy you appear to be strongly advocating exists?
CHINA. IRAN. NORTH KOREA.
Enough with your sad conspiracy theory, kiddo.
Almost everyone is ridiculing you and your type not because of some evil copnspiracy theory against 'the people', but because it's a non issue.
It's like saying why are journalists not investigating why the Flying Spaghetti Monster 10 commandments aren't allowed to be made a part of the fabric of American society?
BECAAAUUUSE, it's just silly, ridiculous, a made up issue with roots firmly planted in racism.
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munster
December 14, 2009 7:42 PM in reply to cinesimon
No, I'm not. You postulated that many lose their long form birth certificates trying to provide and excuse for Obama.
Why hide something that doesn't need hiden.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 7:51 PM in reply to munster
What proof do you have that anything is being hidden?
Your LF cert argument has been thoroughly discredited, by the republican governor of Hawaii, the director of the hospital he was born in, and anyone else who has a clue about this area - including 99.999% of his political enmeies.
All you have is a sad, tired, fact-free and desperation-heavy conspiracy theory.
Stop insulting yourself.
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thehawk24601
December 14, 2009 8:05 PM in reply to munster
Munster, since you seem so keen on presidential eligibilities, would you rather have had John McCain as president? One could make a very strong case for him not being a natural born citizen, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and his citizenship was only confirmed with legislature after birth... Of course, this didn't come up much because Congress agreed to a non-binding resolution not to bring it up... But clearly, the conspiracy theories should be directed towards Obama.
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cinesimon
December 14, 2009 8:40 PM in reply to thehawk24601
Of course after the fact, they can pretend they would have been just as hard on McCain. It's like all the right wing commenters being opposed to the top 5% income earners being taxed more, because they give so much to charity. So easily said in the comments section of a blog, but the reality indicates far different.
Oops - I just realized my spelling of elligible/elligibility was atrocious in other comments. Oh well - nobody's perfectomondo!
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danak
December 15, 2009 2:03 PM in reply to munster
Munster...I'm not going to insult you. I am truly interested in your responses to the following questions:
1) Why, specifically, is the birth certificate on this website (http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate) not sufficient for you?
2) What do you make of the fact that Obama's birth was announced in both of Honolulu's major newspapers, The Advertiser and The Star-Bulletin, in August 1961?
3) Is there a specific number of experts that need to verify the birth certificate as genuine before you accept it? Or is it a matter that you won't accept it until you hold it in your hands yourself?
Thank you for any insight you can offer!
~dk
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sangsue
December 14, 2009 9:48 PM in reply to munster
You'd worship a President who does Crystal Meth as long as he's white so STFU.If you're such a Patriot sneak into the White House and make a citizen's arrest of President Obama. I'm sure you'll get just what's coming to you. Ass.
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beemanch
December 14, 2009 6:49 PM
Looks like they took it down.
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JacklynD
December 14, 2009 7:13 PM
North Dakota has about 460,000 people. Last year 168,000 Republicans cast their vote for McCain. There are only a few intellectual pockets in North Dakota. It is 2 points lower than the national average for college graduates.
Because they think this joke is humorous really doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.
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DanielFBoone
December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
It's gotta suck when your own party's leadership ridicules your conspiracy theories on the front page of your newsletter.
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LeeJo
December 14, 2009 10:50 PM
…and the joke is on them. The North Dakota Republicans have not reconciled their funny stuff about Obama and his place of birth with the actual, undisputed truth. John McCain was not born in the United States. He was born in Panama. How is that for irony? These silly Republicans don’t seem to understand that as long as a parent is an American Citizen it doesn’t matter where the birth takes place the baby is a natural born citizen and qualified to be President. The Republicans are such silly ass holes.
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pokerknave
December 14, 2009 11:28 PM
In a funny way it is a great move by the Republicans to energise the racist by creating a simple movement which would play to the racist agenda but not expose the Republicans to the charge of racism.
The whole 'birther' stuff has played very well for the Republicans and helped them and their supporters to re-energise the mutton headed no marks to think that their racism has justification.
The only problem with the birthers is that they play it too long and it becomes ridiculous. if the Democrats have any sense they will encourage the birthers because they belong to the Republicans and they do the Republicans no favors.
The birthers have done their job the health care bill has been watered down, the recession now belongs to Obama as does the war in Afghanistan. The Republicans need the birthers to go away now and become voting fodder for the resurgent right 2010 and 2012....
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Nightflyer23
December 15, 2009 5:18 AM
Heh - _Adam_ Jones?
Sounds more like _Alex_ Jones... which wouldn't surprise me.
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cctempo
December 15, 2009 12:48 PM
Wow, thatsw pretty funny then you t!
Jess
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danak
December 15, 2009 1:54 PM
Munster...I'm not going to insult you. I am truly interested in your responses to the following questions:
1) Why, specifically, is the birth certificate on this website (http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate) not sufficient for you?
2) What do you make of the fact that Obama's birth was announced in both of Honolulu's major newspapers, The Advertiser and The Star-Bulletin, in August 1961?
3) Is there a specific number of experts that need to verify the birth certificate as genuine before you accept it? Or is it a matter that you won't accept it until you hold it in your hands yourself?
Thank you for any insight you can offer!
~dk
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bushwhacked
December 15, 2009 3:47 PM
Adam Jones Current
* Political and Finance Director at North Dakota Republican Party
Past
* Event and Surrogate Director - Western Region at John McCain 2008
* Pollster at Dan Jones and Associates
* Campaign Manager at Jeff Evans for State Senate VA-20
* Intern at Scottish National Party
* Senior Collections Analyst at Kirton & McConkie
* Staff Assistant / Intern at United States
Adam,
Hell Of A Job You Did for John McCain. You're just the kind of competition the Democrats are hoping for.
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Joe D
December 19, 2009 12:33 AM
You Obamaphiles make me sick. You're a bunch of frauds just like he is. You try and convince people and pretend you're not the least bit curious or concerned as to why he has spent over $1.5 million on lawyers, and that it is perfectly normal, to block the release of his personal records to the public. If the hospital (two different ones claim he was born there in HI) can't/won't produce a real birth certificate then Obama could present his own. I've got mine. And it names the hospital and is signed by the delivery doctor.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 10:52 PM
Get a passport?
You mean like the passport Obama undoubtedly has? That he probably got long before he was, you know, elected Senator, or state Senator?
Oops.
Unless you're claiming that somehow, that birth certificate wasn't really legitimate, which means his passport must be fake...which means without a doubt that he's from Angola.
I think.
m65 kamagra
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