
Yesterday, President Barack Obama created a firestorm among progressives when he told the Washington Post something readily falsifiable.
Echoing an idea first put forth by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), Obama said, "I didn't campaign on the public option."
In fact, though the public option wasn't a regular part of his stump speech, Obama appointed the public option's intellectual father, Jacob Hacker, to his health care advisory committee, and his campaign's health care white paper prominently featured a government run plan, with no mandate requiring uninsured people to buy insurance. The bill he will likely sign next year will do the opposite.
Progressives have taken notice, and responded rapidly.
That's from the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. It will run in DC and Wisconsin--home to Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), on whom many progressives are pinning their final hopes for a public option--with a $40,000 initial buy, supplemented by online fundraising.
"President Obama should frankly feel ashamed that he promised Americans a public option got people to believe real change was possible, and then never truly fought for it -- instead, pushing an insurance mandate that he specifically campaigned against," said PCCC co-founder Adam Green. "Hopefully, our ad inspires one brave senator to represent the will of the people and insist that a public option be in any final bill."
Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 10:15 AM
think progress notes more as well:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/22/obama-repeatedly-touted-public/
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 10:40 AM in reply to Indie Pro
Just like you, ThinkProgress can't dredge up a single instance where Candidate Obama uttered the words "public option."
The links to him talking about a public option are all in 2009, when he was PRESIDENT Obama.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 10:46 AM in reply to FreeRider
awwwww, you didn't read to the end where it linked to this from 2007:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/203321/14?new=true
"In my mind, reproductive care is essential care, it is basic care . . it is at the center and the heart of the plan that I propose. Essentially . . we're going to set up a public plan that all persons and all women can access if they don't have health insurance. It will be a plan that will provide all essential services, including reproductive services." (7/17/07)
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 10:59 AM in reply to Indie Pro
Still waiting for those magic words "Public Option" to be uttered by Candidate Obama.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 11:03 AM in reply to FreeRider
hilarious. Your command of the english language, outside of profanity of course, leaves much to be desired. Your willful ignorace is spot on, though!
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converse
December 23, 2009 11:15 AM in reply to Indie Pro
Command of the english language??? Like a bunch of so-called "progressives" who want to kill the most progressive bill in generations???
It's you and your "holier than thou" left-fringers who have the problem with language.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 11:22 AM in reply to converse
I do not mind being differentiated from the center-right mums-the-word special interest enablers like you.
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 11:45 AM in reply to Indie Pro
You also don't mind being differentiated from the sane people either.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 12:39 PM in reply to FreeRider
coming from someone, like you, who is deeply embedded in the Obama Cult of Personality, I laugh at your accusation.
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 10:21 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Better than being deeply embedded into the cult of your own ass, where your head has been for the past decade.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 11:05 AM in reply to Indie Pro
This is Bill Clinton all over again. Candidate Obama, according to the Insane Whale, never said a public OPTION was essential, he only said a public PLAN was essential (about 6 million times). So it depends on the meaning of "option" versus "plan." Just like Clinton, we will have to parse every syllable Obama utters from now on.
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 11:44 AM in reply to wbgonne
Find just six times Candidate Obama said a public ANYTHING was ESSENTIAL.
Keep pushing for protection of the tanning bed industry and wishing for more people to die, funeral parlor shill.
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lousgirl84
December 23, 2009 10:48 AM in reply to FreeRider
It's just those little pesky facts that get in the way, you know?
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 10:52 AM in reply to lousgirl84
hasn't slowed you down at all.
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lousgirl84
December 23, 2009 11:22 AM in reply to Indie Pro
The voice of negativity speaks again!! I need to introduce you to my neighbor - the two of you would just love each other. You can cry over your spilled milk all day
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 11:25 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Oh, is this your Scandanavian socialist neighbor? Because only a Scandanavian socialist could possible object to No Health Ins Co Left Behind.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 11:26 AM in reply to lousgirl84
sign your neighbor up.
What I'd call negative is being silent and accepting, cheering even, whatever crumbs the corporations and special interests allow me to have, like you.
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AJM
December 23, 2009 7:07 PM in reply to lousgirl84
What they are crying over is their spilled vote ..... that has implications for our political future whether you like it or not.
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gharlane
December 24, 2009 12:56 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Y'know, I came across a post at DKos the other day that perfectly describes the attitude of lousgirl and her ilk:
I've previously described lousgirl (who should really change her handle to Obamasgirl) as relating to Obama like a tweenage fan to one of the Jonas Brothers. But I think the above quote encapsulates it perfectly.
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gharlane
December 24, 2009 12:52 AM in reply to FreeRider
FreepRuder's denial is truly, absolutely, gloriously Palinesque. Magnificent, epic, monumental, a thing of beauty that almost rivals Palin's winky-wink as she prepares another lie to shove up the asses of the American public. Start working on that winky-wink, FreepRuder, and you'll have it all covered.
FreepRuder's current "strategery" is to reject all evidence showing that Obama campaigned on a public option, save one carefully preselected type:
1) A statement
2) By Obama
3) In a campaign speech
4) That specifically uses the words "public option", and only those words.
-- and to dismiss all other evidence, no matter how overwhelming, as irrelevant.
Just so you know what that means: Statements from Candidate Obama that use locutions like "public plan," "new public plan", or anything else that walks, quacks and acts exactly like what we now call the "public option", do not count. Vague campaign speeches (acknowledged by just about everyone as an Obama specialty, and excused by supporters, including myself, by saying "The details on the website") followed by references to said website, which contains specific and detailed descriptions of the "new public plan", do not count. Nothing counts except what FreepRuder wants to count. Try that in court sometime, pitiable fool.
Pretty much everyone except Lieberman, Tweety and FreepRuder understand that the public option, or the "new public plan" (which is the exact same thing) was part of the Obama campaign. Even Lieberman was forced to walk it back, at least a little.
There exists abundant, overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence -- documented downthread by me (bows humbly) -- that Obama did, in fact, campaign on a public option. From contemporaneous accounts in major news outlets, to the recollections of respected political, policy and health care analysts, to Obama's own website -- it's all there. The FreepRuders of the world (who are, thankfully, actually quite few in number -- to quote Dwight Eisenhower, "Their number is negligible and they are stupid") will continue to plug their ears, cover their eyes, and shout "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!111!" with all their might, but the evidence is there for all to see -- all who will see.
Sadly, it is abundantly clear that FreepRuder will not be among them. He would put out his own eyes and stick icepicks in his ears before he would admit to seeing or hearing the evidence.
(Not to mention, all that talk from the POTUS himself -- about how any bill he signed "Must" include a PO -- when he was, you know, the POTUS -- doesn't count either! Incredible.)
Let us pity him. In the immortal words of Dan Quayle: What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind, or not to have one at all. How true that is."
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gotalife
December 23, 2009 10:38 AM
Rahm you magnificent basta-rd.
You got Obama to govern like President Clinton's third term.
Brilliant.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 10:57 AM in reply to gotalife
Including the lying!
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gotalife
December 23, 2009 11:00 AM in reply to wbgonne
Depends on the definition.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to gotalife
And the punctuation. Those commas can make ALL the difference.
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eric the red
December 23, 2009 11:14 AM in reply to gotalife
I wish he was governing like Clinton. Maybe we'd have some peace and prosperity.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 11:23 AM in reply to eric the red
Yeah, Republican-Lite is the new Democratic Party platform. That old one was way too -- YECCCHHH! -- progressive. [SPIT!]
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converse
December 23, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to gotalife
Once more, PUMAs, into the breech!!! We'll stop him this time! All thirty of us! (oh, and thirty-one, counting our new convert, Jane H)
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Economides
December 23, 2009 10:51 AM
Well this tactic makes very obvious what "campaigning on the public option" means.
It's quite obvious that for some people the public option is the most important goal of health reform. The reasons are almost entirely ideological--the goal is to get a stronger foothold for public provision of health insurance. It doesn't really matter if expanding coverage and lowering the cost of health care can be accomplished by other means. It's the public option or nothing for lots of folks.
It's also quite obvious that while the president supports some kind a public option, he never made it the centerpiece of his policy proposals, the way it is talked about by many guys like PCCC founder Adam Green, Howard dean, Kos or Indie Pro. In fact his policy proposals made it quite clear their were other important mechanisms toward achieving universality and lowering cost. And while Jacob Hacker is a perfectly fine person to have as an adviser, many more important advisers are not associated so closely with the public options.
There are many people who feel that the public option could be useful (as useful as reforming medicare) but not absolutely necessary. Most of the serious health policy community fits in this category. There are those who think the the public option (or public provision more broadly) is the sine qua non of "real" health care reform. These are mostly the ideologically driven left wing of the party. It's clear to me that the President was always in the camp of finding a technocratic solution to our problems rather than an ideologically driven one.
Last, this notion that every single plank of every campaign white paper constitutes a promise is incredibly immature. Campaign proposals are a way of showing the public that you both intend to address big problem, have some concrete ideas about them, and to show broadly how you approach policy. Any one who thinks that the President is going to take office and then dictate word by word their solution to the single most complex policy question that will face our country for the next 50 years is living in a fantasy world. It has never worked that way and it never will. People like to fantasize that the President is king. It's easier. He's just one guy. But the truth is we live in a world where the Congress has vastly more power over legislation and where Congress seems capable of massively screwing up all good policy ideas. Once Congress passes the law then the power to set regulations and implement shifts decidedly to the executive.
Obama "campaigned on" creating universal coverage without mandates. That was repeatedly discussed and debated. I think he did it to head off republican demagoguery on the issue. From a policy standpoint he was largely incorrect and in fact he was proposing a lot of somewhat hidden mechanisms (to punish free riders) that has pretty much the same effect as an outright mandates. Do I think he "broke his promise". No. I think he faced the reality that the mandate was best of the practical ways to get to universal coverage. HE never changed his goal, but he was willing to change the means he promoted to get there. And of course, Congress chooses how it wants to do it anyway.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 10:54 AM in reply to Economides
ouch!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/23/obama-accused-of-abandoni_n_401583.html
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to Indie Pro
And when someone writes it on HP, you know it's got to be true.
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Indie Pro
December 23, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to FreeRider
oh no, look up, its posted on this site too? Oh No!
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gharlane
December 24, 2009 5:33 PM in reply to FreeRider
Typical FreepRuder bullshit. Clearly, FreepRuder didn't bother to read the HuffPo piece, which merely reports the observable fact that the PCCC has an ad campaign going on, that they're raising money, and that they plan to air it in Wisconsin and in DC. The YouTube version of the spot is available at the HuffPo link and elsewhere, incuding www dot yeswestillcan dot org. The ad uses Obama's own words against him, including his claim that any bill he signed "must" include a public option "to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest", as well as his statement in Feb 2008 that "if a mandate were a solution, we could solve the problem by mandating that everyone buy a house."
FreepRuder is a master at simply dismissing all evidence that does not agree with his preconceived notions of reality. Who else could be quite as obtuse in continuing to press a meme that even Lieberman was forced to walk back, this braindead idea that "Obama never campaigned on a public option"? I have taken down that braindead idea here, and FreepRuder's Palinesque denialism here. Both of those linked comments are elsewhere in this thread.
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Economides
December 23, 2009 2:53 PM in reply to Indie Pro
What's your point. The quotes show he campaigned against mandates. Hen never said he didn't. He admits he was wrong. If you look what he was actually proposing to do to dissuade the free riders it came down to not exactly a mandate but a close equivalent.
The a quote about the public option is this year, and no one says he hasn't been in favor of and articulated the reasons for the public option throughout this year.
This whole flap is a form of political temper tantrum. It has very little to do with the welfare of the American people.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to Economides
Positively Clintonesque.
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gotalife
December 23, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to wbgonne
Yup.
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onceler
December 23, 2009 11:16 AM
It's amazing that anyone is bother to defend Obama on this. It's an obvious whopper. He touted his proposed public plan as far back as 2007, referred to it numerous times to thunderous applause over the course of the campaign, specified it's inclusion in his Exchange program in the positions papers posted on his 'revolutionary' website which 'changed the way candidates integrate the web into the political operations' and continually asked people to go to his website when he didn't have enough time to expound on his proposals, and asked people to read up there on what he wanted. And what was written there was that there would be a "new public program" which would be a choice, along side "approved private plans". And yes, this was during the campaign, and yes, he referred to it many, many times. Truly sad that some of his worshipers are starting to look more and more like that tenacious 28% or so who just couldn't let go of their love for Bush. Not that Obama has reached that level, but his blind followers, unfortunately, have.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 11:21 AM in reply to onceler
The Obamatons are beyond reason. It is nothing but blind loyalty for the true believers who are being played by the Insurance Co pros pretending to be Democrats and who desperately want No Health Insurance Co Left Behind enacted. 30 million more customers. Government mandated. It just doesn't get much better than that for an industry.
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Economides
December 23, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to wbgonne
Here's a nice list of unthinking, blind loyalists, duped by their false consciousness, no doubt:
http://tinyurl.com/yfh4h7d
"...We urge expeditious enactment of your reform legislation."
Sincerely yours,
Dr. Henry Aaron, The Brookings Institution
Dr. Stuart Altman, Brandeis University
Dr. Kenneth Arrow, Stanford University,
Nobel Laureate in Economics
Dr. Gary Burtless, The Brookings Institution
Dr. David Cutler, Harvard University
Dr. Patricia Danzon, University of Pennsylvania
Dr. Angus Deaton, Princeton University
Dr. Brad DeLong, University of California, Berkeley
Dr. Peter Diamond, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Dr. Victor Fuchs, Stanford University
Dr. Alan M. Garber, Stanford University
Dr. Dana Goldman, University of Southern California
Dr. Jonathan Gruber, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Dr. Daniel McFadden, University of California, Berkeley,
Nobel Laureate in Economics
Dr. David Meltzer, University of Chicago
Dr. Joseph Newhouse, Harvard University
Dr. Uwe Reinhardt, Princeton University
Dr. Alice Rivlin, The Brookings Institution
Dr. Meredith Rosenthal, Harvard University
Dr. Isabel Sawhill, The Brookings Institution
Dr. William Sharpe, Stanford University,
Nobel Laureate in Economics
Dr. John Shoven, Stanford University
Dr. Robert M. Solow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Nobel Laureate in Economics
Dr. Laura D’Andrea Tyson, University of California, Berkeley
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ChrisO
December 23, 2009 3:47 PM in reply to Economides
Nice deflection. So you're saying that all of these noted economists are in agreement that Obama never campaigned on the public option? Because that's what this thread is about. It's interesting to see all of the Obama blind loyalists trying to make this a conversation about the efficacy of a public option, but that's not what's being discussed. Remeber, this is the same Obama who said he would vote against FISA. If Obama said "I supported a public option, but it wasn't feasible at this stage to include it if we wanted to get the bill passed," then this thread wouldn't exist.
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AJM
December 23, 2009 7:26 PM in reply to Economides
Read your link -- what they specifically like: " Among the features that we believe to be critical to a fiscally responsible approach to health reform is a more effective independent Medicare advisory body. The Manager’s Amendment has strengthened the role of the body, now called the Independent Payment Advisory Board" and pilot programs for other forms of payment than fee for service.
They think this bill should be passed but there is nothing in their letter which suggest they think it is better than a plan with public option.
There are two points that are important: 1) Would a reasonable voter listening to Obama campaign have believed that Obama would fight for a public option and against a mandate? 2) Was Obama lying when he said he was against a mandate?
The answer to both is yes. Obama had enough good advice and is bright enough to know going in that a mandate would be necessary but campaigned against it because he knew that the lie would get him votes.
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FreeRider
December 23, 2009 11:48 AM in reply to onceler
Yeah, he campaigned on it so many times to thunderous applause that the only instances you can find are when he was PRESIDENT Obama.
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jsdc007
December 23, 2009 1:00 PM
Well, he did try (technically at least) to push a public option, before he got mugged by Mr. Lieberman, Mr. Nelson, Ms. Snowe, etc., etc. Ideas and promises evolve based on political realities.
What about that harsh reality do the so-called "progressives" not understand?
I guess they wanted Obama to go after all the aforementioned "moderates" with a billy club to get their precious public option.
Incidentally, for all the whining about the mandate to have insurance (something the Prez. said time and time again this year), did the "progressives" think that a public option was going to be free? You'd end up paying for it in the form of higher taxes. Six of one, half dozen of the other. At least those big, bad insurance companies can't drop or deny you coverage under this bill.
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wbgonne
December 23, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to jsdc007
Thank you, Mr. Humana.
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Kevin Sutton
December 23, 2009 1:05 PM in reply to jsdc007
"did the "progressives" think that a public option was going to be free? You'd end up paying for it in the form of higher taxes."
Since the public option was a deficit reducer, no one would be paying higher taxes for it. It was to be paid for by the people who bought into it.
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Oregon Activist
December 23, 2009 1:35 PM
Do folks remember the harsh critique of Candidate Obama's health care reform proposal by Paul Krugman? I sure do, it was one of the reasons I did not vote for him in the primary - that, plus his religiosity. Over and over, people have projected their own hopes and wishes onto him - when he was not ever promising to be liberal in any meaningful way. He promised to bend over backwards to compromise with Republicans, to be bipartisan. He promised to expand faith-based bullshit. His health reform proposal sucked.
So, he is delivering more or less what he promised. Yes, I wish he did more and was more progressive, but I know that's not his instinct - his instinct is to cleave to the center, to try to find consensus. He is contemptuous of ideology, a zealot of pragmatism and compromise. He is exactly what he campaigned to be.
And perhaps that combination of characteristics I don't particularly respect is what will finally, at long last, result in the passage of health care reform that can be strengthened in the years to come into something we can all be proud of.
One a side note, can people please please please stop suggesting reconciliation as the hail mary savior of health care reform. What could be passed through reconciliatino would achieve less and also would automatically sunset in five years without renewal. Do we really want to enable the GOP to eliminate all the hard fought wins by merely letting it expire?
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know_your_unknowns
December 23, 2009 3:08 PM
Guys, guys... Look, we all knew Obama was supporting a public plan or option or whatever political synonym you prefer during his campaign. The realists among us all knew the final plan would be different than what Obama imagined during the campaign. Congress does that to policy.
So, none of us should be all that surprised that it's this different from the original concept. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.
What is undeniable is that it was a very poor decision on Obama's part to say he never campaigned on it. That may technically be true in that the public option specifically was never THE issue of his campaign, but any good politician should know the public doesn't hear things that way. The public will basically hear it as "it was never a big part of my campaign". But it was, and it's easily verifiable.
This means that anyone who doesn't automatically attempt to justify or sugar-coat whatever Obama says will see it as a lie. His conduct during the campaign and after indicates that he should know this. The Internet's ability to record every public statement a politician makes and play it back when they contradict themselves later is part of what helped him defeat Clinton and McCain. He seemed to actively be using the Internet's powers in this regard. So, he should have known better. He succeeded partly because his opponents got caught in lies like this. They were not technically false, but were made false because of the general meaning behind the words. He of all people should have known this would happen.
All he had to do was say that he had changed his mind on the public option and that it was now less important to him. Instead he effectively said it was never a big deal to him. Any critical thinker will read that and reflexively say BS. Changing your mind is not a weakness, it implies that you're learning and gaining experience, an especially good thing for Obama since a major criticism during the campaign was his lack of experience. The biggest problem with Bush is that he almost never changed his mind no matter how much evidence stacked up to prove him wrong.
I'm not saying I suddenly hate Obama or am going independent or anything, I'm just saying that for better or worse, this was an incredibly stupid thing for him to say, regardless of his intentions. Tomorrow and for the next several months you can expect to hear about this in tea-party sponsored ads, and it will appear again in 2012.
I think the Obama apologists need to start thinking critically and realize that the President is cabable of making mistakes and is capable of being wrong, perhaps even often, and consider giving him input when that's the case in an effort to steer him back to what he needs to do. That may be somewhat naive, but less so than their belief that he's infallible.
Equally puzzling is the number of Obama voters looking for any excuse to renounce their votes and go independent or republican. Guys, you should be glad that a politician can't get everything he wanted while campaigning once he gets into office. Imagine what those 8 years (or, perhaps, 9 and counting) would have been like if Bush had no opposition? Granted, there wasn't much, but his disdain for the constitution is on record, so let's be happy we still have that. And yes, Obama's claim here was stupid and outrageous, but considering his predecessor, he's got several years of leeway left. All things considered I think he's doing well. Not perfect, and not the way I would do things, but I'm not sure I'd be able to do better myself.
Basically I'm just appealing for a little less crazy from both sides here. The Tea Party is generating plenty and we don't need any more. If we're going to prevail here we need to stay rational.
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Juble
December 23, 2009 3:50 PM
Prez Barack Humana....
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gharlane
December 23, 2009 11:05 PM
Silly progressives! Why, of course Obama never campaigned on a public option! He would never do such a thing!
He just managed to dupe a whole lotta people -- y'know, reporters 'n' stuff -- into thinking he was campaigning on a public option.
Like the New York Times, which reported on 30 May 2007:
Robin Toner, "Obama Calls for Wider and Less Costly Health Care Coverage" New York Times, 29 May 2007, www dot nytimes dot com slash 2007 slash 05 slash 30 slash us slash politics slash 30obama dot html?_r=1
The NYT essentially repeats this in its backgrounder on the subject
www dot nytimes dot com slash info slash public-health-insurance-option slash ?inline=nyt-classifier
Like CNN, whose ElectionCenter2008 reported:
www dot cnn dot com slash ELECTION slash 2008 slash issues slash issues.healthcare.html
Apparently the WaPo was still operating under the magical delusional Obama kool-aid pixie dust in February 2008:
Christopher Lee, Simple Question Defines Complex Health Debate, 2008-02-24, www dot washingtonpost dot com slash wp-dyn slash content slash article slash 2008 slash 02 slash 23 slash AR2008022302026.html
And in October 2008 the ChiTrib was still breathing the pixie dust:
Judith Graham, "The candidates John McCain and Barack Obama: Talking about health", Chicago Tribune, 2008-10-17, archives dot chicagotribune dot com slash 2008 slash oct slash 17 slash health slash chi-issues-healthoct17
(slightly off topic: The Trib piece also contains the following little gem: "COST CONTROL: Obama: Invests heavily in health information technology. Encourages better management of chronic illnesses. Lets Medicare negotiate prices with drug companies and eliminate subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans." Ibid., paragraph breaks omitted. Ah well, easy come, easy go, eh?)
Jonathan Chait at TNR was still equally delusional (or duped) as of November 19:
www dot tnr dot com slash blog slash the-plank slash joe-liebeman-hallucinating
Jonathan Cohn, also at TNR, the guy who wrote one of the classic books on the health "care" industry (Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis, and the People who Pay the Price (HarperCollins 2007)) was similarly delusional -- in the same blog post no less:
Which leads us to Politico's retraction:
OK, so it's a typical Politico non-retraction retraction, since they don't append this as an "update" or a "correction", but it's now there in the story, as Cohn notes.
Mark Schmitt at the TAPPED blog of The American Prospect reported on 18 August 2009:
www dot prospect dot org slash csnc slash blogs slash tapped_archive?month=08&year=2009&base_name=the_history_of_the_public_opti
(Note that Schmitt's piece is among those claming that the PO is not strictly necessary for true HCR. That may or may not be the case; that's a separate thread. But it does show that even those who aren't ardent PO advocates admit that Obama campaigned on it.)
Ezra Klein, also hardly a "gotta have the PO" guy:
Anybody here want to claim that Senator Barack Obama was not among "the other candidates"?
Steve Benen
www dot washingtonmonthly dot com slash archives slash individual slash 2009_11 slash 021117.php
And finally, there's the Obama campaign's master health care document, available on the website -- the document people were always referred to when Obama's campaign speeches were criticized for being too vague. It's too long to post here -- I may post it separately (I've done so before) but it describes the public plan in detail, mentioning it no less than nine times in the context of the overall plan description. (Needless to say, it's no longer on the website.)
So, to recap: The NYT, CNN, WaPo and ChiTrib all reported contemporaneously, during the campaign, from May 2007 to October 2008, that the Obama health care proposal included a public option/public plan. Jonathan Chait and Jonathan Cohn at TNR (the latter having written one of the main and best-respected books on the subject) both report that it was there, as do Ezra Klein, Mark Schmitt at The American Prospect, and Steve Benen. Politico was forced to revise its story about Lieberman's public option denialism to reflect the known facts. And we have archived copies of Obama's own highly detailed campaign documents.
This is in addition to what Beutler notes in the OP -- his appointment of Jacob Hacker, the originator of the PO idea, to his health care advisory committee, and the rest of it.
But of course, Obama never campaigned on a public option.
And if you believe that, Ben Nelson has some Pacific beachfront property next to his home in Nebraska that he'd love to sell you.
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gharlane
December 23, 2009 11:20 PM
Here's the excerpt from the Obama health plan document, now mysteriously gone from the Obama website, but still available thanks to the Wayback Machine. Emphasis is mostly mine. The "new public plan" ("public option" for the linguistically obtuse -- yes, FreepRuder, this means you) is described in detail, and notably is described as a participating plan in the Exchange, which means it can't be identical to the Exchange, as some have now begun to claim.
Let's hope the blockquotes work.
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gharlane
December 23, 2009 11:37 PM in reply to gharlane
And yes, of course, this is the campaign document that the Obama campaign referred people to every time someone worried about the lack of specifics in Obama's stump speeches. "Go to my website, it's all there!" was the constant refrain. I used it myself during the campaign when asked about specifics.
So no, apologists and denialists: you don't get to come back and change the rules now and bleat, "It didn't happen unless you can find me a bunch of times when he said the exact words 'Public Option'." Maybe it works that way in the delusional fantasyland you occupy, but for the rest of us in the reality-based community, this is perfectly valid -- in fact, overwhelming -- evidence.
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